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The Vikings are one of the worst coached teams, yes/no? (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian Peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.

I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, and he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has failed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together an offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.

I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, adn he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has fialed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together na offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.
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:goodposting: I couldn't agree more.. the playcalling for the Vikes on Monday was absolutely brutal. Although I saw a few good things out of Tavaris on Monday.. he's way to inconsistent for my liking. & with our supposedly solid defense. Didn't have the greatest game on Monday but it was one game. need to see more of a pass rush.. If the Vikes don't make a significant jump in the standings this year than Childress is bye-bye.. The Wilfs have spent the money & will want to see a return on their investment.. If things do go sour maybe we'll possibly get lucky & get a real coach like.. Bill Cowher.. one would think the Vikes would fit his style.. Have AP running the ball & have a good defense to back it up. just a thought..
 
Playcalling: sometimes horribly questionable.

Personnel Mgt: actually pretty good. not great. but good.

getting the most from their players: not pretty good, but not bad.

So their grades are D, B, C -> net grade: horribly average.

 
I gotta go with Linehan of the Rams. He's put the breaks on the league's best offense. That's not just from a fantasy perspective, either. The Rams were great and had young talent (Bulger, SJax, Holt) and now they have become so vanilla that they're boring to watch. On top of that, their defense isn't good enouh to win games with their new 'low-scoring attack'.

Pitiful.

 
Raiders, Rams, Vikings...

All are worthy of the title 'one of the worst coached teams'.

Vikes are by far the most talented of the bunch, which makes it ultra-frustrating.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another think coming.
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"fixed"Anyway, I agree, but he's practically Tom Landry compared to Linehan. gawd.

Can't say on Kiffen. But that team has bigger problems ie Al "Zombie" Davis.

 
Don't disagree with the posts, but IMHO Marvin doesn't make it through the year in Cincy.

Edited for correct coach, both Marvin and Herm are terrible. Thanks.

 
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The question is: Are they ONE of the worst coached teams. As a Vikes homer, I agree wholeheartedly. The playcalling was terrible last year and doesn't seem to be much improved this year. You can build the best team on paper but ultimately it comes down to coaching.

I've been absolutely dumbfounded as to why the RBs are not more in the passing game to get TJack into a rhythm and to couteract the blitz. I had hope that things would be different this year, but they're not.

I'm hoping for Cowher next year because Chili doesn't look like he's capable of changing what needs to be changed in order for this team to succeed and him to keep his job.

 
KID said:
Don't disagree with the posts, but IMHO Herm doesn't make it through the year in Cincy.
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That would be Marvin Lewis, but I have to agree that that team has given up on him. I don't know if it's all his fault though; that organization is awful.
 
KID said:
Don't disagree with the posts, but IMHO Herm doesn't make it through the year in Cincy.
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Cincy?When did he first get fired from KC?And when did Cincy get rid of Marvin Lewis?Though...both of those could end up gone after this year.
 
BigRed said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another think coming.
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"fixed"Anyway, I agree, but he's practically Tom Landry compared to Linehan. gawd.

Can't say on Kiffen. But that team has bigger problems ie Al "Zombie" Davis.
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Al Davis is the Anti-christ
 
As for the Vikings...I have been saying it for years...and it was not just because I am a Packer fan.

They hired a coach who was known to have not called the plays in Philly.

They then hired an offensive coordinator who had no experience calling plays and his main claim to fame was he was friends with and QB coach for Favre. As if he really did any coaching of Favre. He was a mediocre college QB as well.

One of the stories last week was how happy the Packers are that Minny gave him his offer so fast because he was next headed on a plane to Green Bay to interview for their HC job.

And to think the Packers got blasted for picking McCarthy because some short sighted people only wanted to focus on what he did for the 9ers.

 
I was a Peterson owner last season and it was frustrating as hell watching how poorly he was often used by Childress. The first game against the Packers was a prime example. He ran all over them in the first half (over 100 yards) and then got something like 3 or 4 carries in the second half. Childress completely phased him out of the offense and that was a huge factor in helping Green Bay win the game. A similar thing happened on Monday night as MoP pointed out. I don't own Peterson this year but I see nothing has changed. It's staggering to me that he isn't a big part of the passing game. You have a QB who's awful so short passes might not be a bad idea and you have arguably the most talented RB in the game so getting him the ball in space might not be a bad idea. But Childress refused to do it last year and if the first game is any indication he's refusing to do it again this year. You don't have to be a great pass receiver to catch balls in the flat or run a screen every once in awhile. So even if Peterson isn't the next LT as a receiver (and he obviously isn't), that doesn't mean you just stop trying to get him the ball.

As much as I think the Vikings will be undermined by Jackson's lack of talent at QB, I don't think they're helped by Childress either.

 
Well, I think Childress has a long term plan and that is to get Jackson to a point where he can be relied on in crunch situations. I don't understand Peterson ever coming out of the game myself. But he doesn't appear to be the 3rd down back in there. When it is crunch time, Chilly goes with Taylor it seems.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, adn he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has fialed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together na offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.
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They are still a couple of notches above the Lions.
 
The Vikings haven't even had a coach that you'd call solid since Bud Grant, there is nothing more frustrating than being a Vikings fan! The only positive that we can draw out of this is that if the Vikings don't make the playoffs this year Childress will hopefully be gone but who knows who they'll bring in, it's like a revolving door of crappy coaches it's a good thing they let Tomlin go to the Steelers, god forbid we have a competent coach.

Sorry, I needed to vent, we get to see the Vikes go 0-2 on Sunday! :gang1:

 
Kuz said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, adn he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has fialed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together na offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.
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Bill Cowher.. one would think the Vikes would fit his style.. Have AP running the ball & have a good defense to back it up. just a thought..
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Yes, please bring in Cowher. This would an incredible fit for the Vikings.
 
JuniorNB said:
I gotta go with Linehan of the Rams. He's put the breaks on the league's best offense. That's not just from a fantasy perspective, either. The Rams were great and had young talent (Bulger, SJax, Holt) and now they have become so vanilla that they're boring to watch. On top of that, their defense isn't good enouh to win games with their new 'low-scoring attack'.Pitiful.
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Give this man a prize. I watched the first half of the Rams game last week and I immediately thought Linehan would be the first coach axed this year.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, adn he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has fialed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together na offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.
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Jackson is certainly Childresses project from the day he drafted him. Stubbornly he refuses to accept "defeat" with this situation and look in a different direction. It will be very interesting to see what the insertion of Kerry Collins into the run-laden offense of the TENN offense does to their passing game as well as running lanes. It has been said that the defense will know exactly where Collins is as opposed to Young- my thought is that recievers will be able to run more precise routes and not freelance as well. I believe this will be applicable to the MINN situation as well
 
Yes.

I knew he was an idiot coach the first year he was here. He took a pretty decent Tice team and gave them a worse record.

He also opened his piehole and said he came to Minnesota instead of Green Bay because Minnesota was more ready to win now.

Who went 13-3 last year? Which coach has NEVER lost to the other one?

Chili is an idiot.

 
Yes, the Vikes easily game-day coach themselves out of 3 wins a year. That is ignoring the mistakes in preparation and blind allegiance to a QB.It is frustrating to see talent wasted as Childress tries to prove himself right. This team needs to be a run first team to win. They should pound ADP and Taylor all day and wear down the D. Having Jackson attempt to win the game through the air is foolhearty.

bucsbaby said:
Cowher + vet QB = Superbowl Title 2009-2010 season
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OMG - If those 2 got added next year I would wet myself with glee.
 
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how big of an idiot do you have to be to take a 9-7 team that just missed the playoffs, w/Tice coaching, and have them go 6-10 and then 8-8. You have the best running game in the NFL and the best run defense in the NFL. Yet you can't take this team to the playoffs? All the pieces were in place to build this team to a SB contender. Childress takes over and we are mediocre at best. How is it that some people still point the finger elsewhere. New QB, new d-linemen to pressure the QB, new d-backs to cover the pass better, new o-linemen to protect the QB, none of these things are going to make the Vikes better as long as Childress is around. We have seen all of them happen already and look at where we are at.

 
I don't think Childress is a good coach. I had Peterson last year and had a vested interest in all news relative to MINN. I watched more Vikings games last year than the previous 5 years combined.

He makes terrible decisions. They need to get rid of him.

 
I think play calling and coaching are two different things although they do cross paths. I think the players in Minny are well coached. They run their routes well, they seem to know their assignments, when the right play is called they execute it well and they seem to know and understand football. All of that comes from the coaching.

Now the play calling IS terrible and probably the worst in the league. They have the talent to win games right now, the players know what to do but because they coaches call the wrong plays, pull / put in players at the wrong time, (to fit the play they are calling) they lose games.

The Rams are a team who are coached poorly and have bad play calling. The offensive line blocks the wrong people, they miss assignments, the players look lost, they look unskilled because of being lost etc... On top of that, the play calling is suspect as well. Overall the worst team in the league. IMO.

 
NoCheese said:
Kuz said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball? He was 16/35...if they think they can win chucking it 35 times with TJax, they've got another thing coming.I think Childress is just being stubborn. This is his 3rd season, adn he has done some good in assembling a better defense, OL, brought in skill position players, great RB tandem, but he has fialed to address the QB situation, or he has not put together na offense where TJax can produce. He is capable of doing things to a defense but you ned to put him in a Vick type offense where he can tuck it and go. I was screaming for him to run and he stood back there in the pocket like he was Joe Montana, and my friends, he is no Joe Montana.I wonder if Vikings fans were seeing the same thing or not. There are certainly other poorly coached football teams but I thought the play calling stunk for the Vikings and even though they have an OC, I put the blame on Childress.
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Bill Cowher.. one would think the Vikes would fit his style.. Have AP running the ball & have a good defense to back it up. just a thought..
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Yes, please bring in Cowher. This would an incredible fit for the Vikings.
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I'd even be happy with Billick- at least he makes press conferences interesting.
 
DWidmar said:
I think play calling and coaching are two different things although they do cross paths. I think the players in Minny are well coached. They run their routes well, they seem to know their assignments, when the right play is called they execute it well and they seem to know and understand football. All of that comes from the coaching. Now the play calling IS terrible and probably the worst in the league. They have the talent to win games right now, the players know what to do but because they coaches call the wrong plays, pull / put in players at the wrong time, (to fit the play they are calling) they lose games. The Rams are a team who are coached poorly and have bad play calling. The offensive line blocks the wrong people, they miss assignments, the players look lost, they look unskilled because of being lost etc... On top of that, the play calling is suspect as well. Overall the worst team in the league. IMO.
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I think this also points out how important play calling is to the success of a team and its players. Many claim that Tarvaris Jackson sucks but maybe he'd be better if he were given a playcalling situation where he could thrive instead.The West Coast Offense made Joe Montana & Steve Young as much as their talent did. We've seen the success of the play calling on Tom Brady (His 50 TD weren't done by sheer talent alone) and Peyton has arguably mastered the ability to play call on the field, which has led to a majority of his success.We always hear many coaches talk about fitting the scheme to the player (See Bruce Arians getting help from Roethlisberger on creating the playbook) and rarely can a coach force a player to fit a scheme (See Vick in the WCO while with Atlanta).I think the same issue of trying to force Jackson to fit a scheme is surfacing here. He has the wheels to run and can throw the slants with ease. One would think that you'd run heavily with AP and Chester then with the passing game focus on screens and PA passes that focus on quick slants for 7-8 yards (Easy pass completions that can keep a drive moving w/o asking TJ to carry the team).
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I sat there watching the MNF contest and thinking out loud, WTF are they doing?! Adrian peterson is running all over the Packers and you pull him on 3rd and short? They get a chance to run the ball in short situations and they have Tavaris Jackson throwing the ball?
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While I agree that the Vikings playcalling is disgustingly poor at most times, someone did bring up a good point in the game thread. At that point in the game, the Vikings were 0-3 running the ball on 3rd and short, they had been stuffed all three times. Also, on 4th and short, they ran play action and hooked up on a 20 yard touchdown. So, it wasn't TOO outlandish to try passing there (even if I personally still would have given it to AD). However, it WAS pretty foolish to have AD out of the game altogether and to line up in the shotgun.
 
The play calling is a function of them having a subpar QB. Which is still the fault of Childress. Either way, it's on him.

 
Funkley said:
The play calling is a function of them having a subpar QB. Which is still the fault of Childress. Either way, it's on him.
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Not entirely true and I'm glad others have finally touched on my biggest issue with Childress. To steadfastly refuse to get Peterson the ball in space via swing passes and screens is just plain idiotic. The kid averages 13.9 yards per catch and yes, he's only had 20 career catches. But you get the point. The most frustrating part is that Childress came from having a first-hand view of how creative the Eagles are in getting Westbrook the ball, yet he can't seem to figure out how to get Peterson the ball other than slamming him into eight man fronts all game long. Sure, part of the problem is Jackson's relative incompetence but its not necessarily the primary issue IMO.
 
1) Not sure that I agree he hasn't tried to find a new QB; there were rumors about McNabb and Garcia and even Favre. The idea that ANY Qb would be better than Jackson is false. And Jackson was obviously still hurt; I am prepared to give him another game.

2) The team he inherited had an injured Cpep...which now we can say he did the right thing in getting rid of.

3) His drafting and FA acquisitions have been good. The defense is MUCH better than it was under the knucklehead.

I would fault him for letting Moss go, but not sure he had any choice in that.

Game day tactics and play calling are average at best, but again, the Knucklehead was really bad at that too.

He is about average IMO. However, if we don't make playoffs this season he should be gone. I am not going to go hysterical after one game.

 
Tavaris Jackson is the QB and the rest of the team is good but is going to be wasted because this staff thinks Jackson is NFL material. They are top 5 easily if not the worst.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
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Andy Dufresne said:
Yes. Definitely.
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:yes: :lmao: :lmao: I was hoping this would get a bump...if they lose a couple more, maybe he gets the boot mid season?
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Quite possibly. Why they didn't get ANY other QB besides Jackson in the offseason is beyond me.
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The Vikes probably attended the Jerry Angelo GM Seminar in the off-season. Session 1: The Forward Pass is a Passing FadBoth the Bears and Vikes blew games they should have been able to win today.
 
I tried to defend Tarvaris, but I'm done.

Childress + Jackson = Another wasted year.

At least my Sundays will be free from 12-3 for the year again.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I tried to defend Tarvaris, but I'm done.Childress + Jackson = Another wasted year.At least my Sundays will be free from 12-3 for the year again.
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I wouldn't throw in the towel yet although it was a tough loss today. To me it didn't make sense that they wouldn't look to get some insurance just in case TJax wasn't as good as they expected. They added all this high priced talent but failed to assess correctly the most important spot on the team and it has cost them (two games out of two) and will continue to plague them.
 
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Guys, you're all over reacting about Childress. Sometimes it really does just take a little longer than you would like for all the offensive pieces to jell and become something special. Please, I beg Minny management, give Childress more time.

 
deep vacuum said:
Guys, you're all over reacting about Childress. Sometimes it really does just take a little longer than you would like for all the offensive pieces to jell and become something special. Please, I beg Minny management, give Childress more time.
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:goodposting: Says the guy from Milwaukee.
 
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