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The Wheelhouse Pre-Camp picks - Best choices to exceed their ADP (1 Viewer)

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Quarterback: Damon Huard, KC - He started 8 games for the Chiefs last season (half a season, stat-wise) and totalled 11 TD passes and only 1 INT. In 5 of the 8 games he had at least 18.8 fantasy points (using FBG fantasy stats). In 4 of the 8 games, Huard had multiple TD passes. His QB rating of 98.0 was 2nd only to Peyton Manning. He's not looked at as a shoe-in for 2007, because he has some competition in Brodie Croyle. Personally, I think Huard will win the job and impress once again. He shouldn't be drafted to be a starter, but a nice diamond in the rough that if he wins the starting job, will most assuredly outpeform his ADP.

Running Back: Jerious Norwood, ATL - Even with a 50/50 split of rushing duties with Warrick Dunn, I am confident that Norwood will be better than the 33rd best RB in the league this year, because that's where he's being drafted. Norwood averaged 6.2 YPC outside of the Georgia Dome and 6.6 YPC inside the friendly confines. To me, that's an unbenchable accomplishment, despite only having three games of double digit carries in 2006. I think we're going to see a heavy dose of Jerious Norwood this year and we all know Atlanta is a very successful run-heavy team. How can he not outperform his ADP?

Wide Receiver: DJ Hackett, SEA - In order to really nail the WR sleeper, you've got to make a gutsy call. In order to make the right gutsy call, there has to be solid, concrete reasons for doing so. Here's mine - #1 WR on the team, Darrell Jackson gone to SF via free agency which opens up more opportunities - CHECK. Despite being, at best the WR3 last season for Seattle, Hackett had 10 games out of 13 in which he had 3 receptions or more - CHECK. At least one game in which he had 13 targets in a game - CHECK. 67.2% reception percentage (41 rec on 61 targets) means he can catch the ball and will be looked at as a 3rd down target. - CHECK. Currently the 36th WR being drafted. I would not be surprised at all if he winds up in the top 25, which would clearly outperform his ADP.

Tight End: David Martin, MIA - With Randy McMichael gone AND Miami's leading receiver, Wes Welker with New England, I can see David Martin stepping up in the Dolphins offense this season. Chris Chambers, although flashy and streaky, has never been a consistent receiver in the NFL. I'm guessing that David Martin, who plays like a WR, will have a big role in the Dolphins offense this season, especially with a QB like Trent Green who actively looked Tony Gonzalez's way for the Chiefs. It should be good enough for him to exceed being better than the 30th best Tight End in the NFL.

Defense/ST: Denver - This is a difficlt pick, because teams can come out of nowhere in this category. Denver is currently the 10th defense being selected according to Antsports ADP. I like their depth and of course the addition of Dre Bly joining Champ Bailey make them arguably the best secondary in the NFL. Even a moderate pass rush with that secondary will have plenty of chances to take the ball to the house.

Kicker: This is known as a fairly meaningless category, but just to humor you, I'm making a pick that will be a top 5 kicker. There's always one every year that comes out of nowhere. This year that kicker will be Olindo Mare, NO. I think the dome will help his accuracy and he's always had a strong leg. New Orleans should continue with the offensive onslaught and Mare is going to benefit. Currently has an ADP as the 18th best kicker. No way he finishes the season there.

 
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Thanks Wheelhouse, I've always enjoyed your contributions to this forum. I also believe D.J. will be a pick to grab in the middle rounds of my draft.

Opportunity and ability = Success.

 
heY! Wheels the pick of your picks has to be Martin ... but Shhhhhhhh ... don't be telling the world bud ... nice new contract Check .... Coaching staff that likes to utilize the TE positon Check .... possibly the second best hands on the team behind Booker Check ... bonus points for Trent Green @ QB CHECK ... lots of astute football guys snagged Des Clark late in drafts or off the WW last season ... this years TE SOD should definately be former Packer Dave Martin.

Good Call

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Huard is a great pick.

DJ Hackett and Devery Henderson: both are soon-to-be big time players.
Patten reportedly looking good:"Another free-agent signing, WR David Patten, has also looked strong in the OTAs and minicamps so far. He is currently lining up behind Devery Henderson at the X receiver position, but he has a solid chance at earning the No. 2 or No. 3 receiver job if he continues to look fast and consistently catch the ball."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=224899

 
heY! Wheels the pick of your picks has to be Martin ... but Shhhhhhhh ... don't be telling the world bud ... nice new contract Check .... Coaching staff that likes to utilize the TE positon Check .... possibly the second best hands on the team behind Booker Check ... bonus points for Trent Green @ QB CHECK ... lots of astute football guys snagged Des Clark late in drafts or off the WW last season ... this years TE SOD should definately be former Packer Dave Martin.Good Call :goodposting:
Good Stuff....I think this is like the 15th "Shhhh" post on David Martin though..... ;)
 
lawrence phillips said:
Hackett will probably end up being the guy who's everyone's sleeper.
week end 12 team rook/fa draft ppr league1.09 Vince Jackson1.10 D.J. HackettI had both pre drafted at 2.03
 
I'd notch KC down as the sleeper defense.

What's their ADP?

I bet it's pretty low if general opinion counts for anything, and last year they were slightly above average. All they've done is get a lot better with starters, depth and youth this offseason and I forsee a borderline top-10 finish for them.

 
heY! Wheels the pick of your picks has to be Martin ... but Shhhhhhhh ... don't be telling the world bud ... nice new contract Check .... Coaching staff that likes to utilize the TE positon Check .... possibly the second best hands on the team behind Booker Check ... bonus points for Trent Green @ QB CHECK ... lots of astute football guys snagged Des Clark late in drafts or off the WW last season ... this years TE SOD should definately be former Packer Dave Martin.Good Call :boxing:
:gang1: at those expecting Martin to suddenly become Gonzalez. He's very inconsistent. He never could beat out Bubba Franks for that gig in Green Bay. The Packers tight ends were the worst position on the team last season. Franks was absolutely horrible last season and Martin couldn't overtake him. I mean Franks was playing like his shoelaces were tied together to goodness sake! Martin couldn't even get on the field. Plus he's alway hurt. Only one 16 game season in 6 and he got a whopping 13 catches that season. He sucks. Plain and simple. He sucks at playing football. No way around it. Consider that Green Bay has a dearth of talent at TE with Bubba Franks playing like Bubba Gump and Donald Lee. Also consider Favre's ability to find the TE when Chmura and Jackson were there, not to mention the seasons of hitting Bubba for the short scores. Also consider that Green Bay had the second most cap space in the league this offseason. And Ted Thompson is a pretty darn good judge of talent.Did the Packers attempt to resign Martin? Even with 20m in cap space? No. They decided to roll the dice with a 7th rounder instead.
 
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heY! Wheels the pick of your picks has to be Martin ... but Shhhhhhhh ... don't be telling the world bud ... nice new contract Check .... Coaching staff that likes to utilize the TE positon Check .... possibly the second best hands on the team behind Booker Check ... bonus points for Trent Green @ QB CHECK ... lots of astute football guys snagged Des Clark late in drafts or off the WW last season ... this years TE SOD should definately be former Packer Dave Martin.Good Call :cry:
:P at those expecting Martin to suddenly become Gonzalez. He's very inconsistent. He never could beat out Bubba Franks for that gig in Green Bay. The Packers tight ends were the worst position on the team last season. Franks was absolutely horrible last season and Martin couldn't overtake him. I mean Franks was playing like his shoelaces were tied together to goodness sake! Martin couldn't even get on the field. Plus he's alway hurt. Only one 16 game season in 6 and he got a whopping 13 catches that season. He sucks. Plain and simple. He sucks at playing football. No way around it. Consider that Green Bay has a dearth of talent at TE with Bubba Franks playing like Bubba Gump and Donald Lee. Also consider Favre's ability to find the TE when Chmura and Jackson were there, not to mention the seasons of hitting Bubba for the short scores. Also consider that Green Bay had the second most cap space in the league this offseason. And Ted Thompson is a pretty darn good judge of talent.Did the Packers attempt to resign Martin? Even with 20m in cap space? No. They decided to roll the dice with a 7th rounder instead.
thank god, the voice of reason! Enough already with this David Martin crap.
 
heY! Wheels the pick of your picks has to be Martin ... but Shhhhhhhh ... don't be telling the world bud ... nice new contract Check .... Coaching staff that likes to utilize the TE positon Check .... possibly the second best hands on the team behind Booker Check ... bonus points for Trent Green @ QB CHECK ... lots of astute football guys snagged Des Clark late in drafts or off the WW last season ... this years TE SOD should definately be former Packer Dave Martin.Good Call :goodposting:
:lol: at those expecting Martin to suddenly become Gonzalez. He's very inconsistent. He never could beat out Bubba Franks for that gig in Green Bay. The Packers tight ends were the worst position on the team last season. Franks was absolutely horrible last season and Martin couldn't overtake him. I mean Franks was playing like his shoelaces were tied together to goodness sake! Martin couldn't even get on the field. Plus he's alway hurt. Only one 16 game season in 6 and he got a whopping 13 catches that season. He sucks. Plain and simple. He sucks at playing football. No way around it. Consider that Green Bay has a dearth of talent at TE with Bubba Franks playing like Bubba Gump and Donald Lee. Also consider Favre's ability to find the TE when Chmura and Jackson were there, not to mention the seasons of hitting Bubba for the short scores. Also consider that Green Bay had the second most cap space in the league this offseason. And Ted Thompson is a pretty darn good judge of talent.Did the Packers attempt to resign Martin? Even with 20m in cap space? No. They decided to roll the dice with a 7th rounder instead.
:goodposting: Like this guy is all of a sudden gonna put up respectable numbers. Please.
 
My only beef is that Huard has no chance of being an impact ff QB this year or in the forseeable future, he may surpass his ADP but he'll still hardly be worth rostering in the standard 12 team re-draft.

 
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i still remember ben watson from last year. :excited:
Ben was touted as a possible top 10 TE... ADP around round 9-10.Martin is being discussed as a guy in your home league that you could probably get in the last round as flier in a TWENTY round draft......The discussion here is outplaying your draft spot and right now Martin is ranked around the bottom of starting TE's in the NFL.The discussion is NOT comparing the guy to Gonzo. "he he he".
 
Wheelhouse posted

Quarterback: Damon Huard, KC - He started 8 games for the Chiefs last season (half a season, stat-wise) and totalled 11 TD passes and only 1 INT. In 5 of the 8 games he had at least 18.8 fantasy points (using FBG fantasy stats). In 4 of the 8 games, Huard had multiple TD passes. His QB rating of 98.0 was 2nd only to Peyton Manning. He's not looked at as a shoe-in for 2007, because he has some competition in Brodie Croyle. Personally, I think Huard will win the job and impress once again. He shouldn't be drafted to be a starter, but a nice diamond in the rough that if he wins the starting job, will most assuredly outpeform his ADP.

komments: It will be tough for Huard if Croyle gets the starting nod which is very likely to happen. My pick would be Steve McNair who is currently running 29th in the ADP rankings. With Lewis gone and a full year in the offense, McNair should be much better than in 2006 when he finished 18th in the QB rankings (using FanEx scoring). Less of a long shot but still someone I like a lot is Tony Romo (who is ranked 12th in ADP).

Running Back: Jerious Norwood, ATL - Even with a 50/50 split of rushing duties with Warrick Dunn, I am confident that Norwood will be better than the 33rd best RB in the league this year, because that's where he's being drafted. Norwood averaged 6.2 YPC outside of the Georgia Dome and 6.6 YPC inside the friendly confines. To me, that's an unbenchable accomplishment, despite only having three games of double digit carries in 2006. I think we're going to see a heavy dose of Jerious Norwood this year and we all know Atlanta is a very successful run-heavy team. How can he not outperform his ADP?

komments: I like Norwood too. But his ADP is actually higher than Warrick Dunn's and I find that to be ludicrous. I like Ahman Green in Houston and the tandem of Vernand Morency/Brandon Jackson in Green Bay. You can get any of these guys around the fifth round or later and they could end up your RB2 by season's end. Heck, Marshawn Lynch's ADP is at 57.39 and in PPR leagues he will almost definitely be a top 15 back.

Wide Receiver: DJ Hackett, SEA - In order to really nail the WR sleeper, you've got to make a gutsy call. In order to make the right gutsy call, there has to be solid, concrete reasons for doing so. Here's mine - #1 WR on the team, Darrell Jackson gone to SF via free agency which opens up more opportunities - CHECK. Despite being, at best the WR3 last season for Seattle, Hackett had 10 games out of 13 in which he had 3 receptions or more - CHECK. At least one game in which he had 13 targets in a game - CHECK. 67.2% reception percentage (41 rec on 61 targets) means he can catch the ball and will be looked at as a 3rd down target. - CHECK. Currently the 36th WR being drafted. I would not be surprised at all if he winds up in the top 25, which would clearly outperform his ADP.

komments: I believe you nailed Jackson. Alex Smith is improving and Jackson will give him a talented target to throw to. But he is already ranked 22 at his position by ADP so that means he doesn't have very much upside. Who I look at for this depends a lot on scoring system. PPR? Return yardage? Heavy for TDs or balanced between scores and yards? Here are some guys I do like though (with their ADP rank in parenthesis) - Eddie Kennison (62), Derrick Mason (57), Tedd Ginn Jr (in leagues with Return Yardage only - 53), Jerry Porter (51), Bernard Berrian (31), Mark Clayton (27) and Chris Chambers (26).

Tight End: David Martin, MIA - With Randy McMichael gone AND Miami's leading receiver, Wes Welker with New England, I can see David Martin stepping up in the Dolphins offense this season. Chris Chambers, although flashy and streaky, has never been a consistent receiver in the NFL. I'm guessing that David Martin, who plays like a WR, will have a big role in the Dolphins offense this season, especially with a QB like Trent Green who actively looked Tony Gonzalez's way for the Chiefs. It should be good enough for him to exceed being better than the 30th best Tight End in the NFL.

komments: This is your first pick that I really don't like at all. Martin has never proven capable of being consistent or staying healthy. Add to that the uncertainty at QB for Miami and I would steer very clear of this guy. I like Marcus Pollard in Seattle as my sleeper. He is new to the team but flashed brilliance in Indy and Holgrem will use a TE in the red zone. And his ADP is very close to Martin's (26 to Martin's 28).

Defense/ST: Denver - This is a difficlt pick, because teams can come out of nowhere in this category. Denver is currently the 10th defense being selected according to Antsports ADP. I like their depth and of course the addition of Dre Bly joining Champ Bailey make them arguably the best secondary in the NFL. Even a moderate pass rush with that secondary will have plenty of chances to take the ball to the house.

Kicker: This is known as a fairly meaningless category, but just to humor you, I'm making a pick that will be a top 5 kicker. There's always one every year that comes out of nowhere. This year that kicker will be Olindo Mare, NO. I think the dome will help his accuracy and he's always had a strong leg. New Orleans should continue with the offensive onslaught and Mare is going to benefit. Currently has an ADP as the 18th best kicker. No way he finishes the season there.

komments: I'll pass on defense and kicker because they are so unpredictable and I usually wait until very late to grab one.

 
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Wheelhouse posted

Tight End: David Martin, MIA - With Randy McMichael gone AND Miami's leading receiver, Wes Welker with New England, I can see David Martin stepping up in the Dolphins offense this season. Chris Chambers, although flashy and streaky, has never been a consistent receiver in the NFL. I'm guessing that David Martin, who plays like a WR, will have a big role in the Dolphins offense this season, especially with a QB like Trent Green who actively looked Tony Gonzalez's way for the Chiefs. It should be good enough for him to exceed being better than the 30th best Tight End in the NFL.

komments: This is your first pick that I really don't like at all. Martin has never proven capable of being consistent or staying healthy. Add to that the uncertainty at QB for Miami and I would steer very clear of this guy. I like Marcus Pollard in Seattle as my sleeper. He is new to the team but flashed brilliance in Indy and Holgrem will use a TE in the red zone. And his ADP is very close to Martin's (26 to Martin's 28).
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I have noticed a couple strange flips in ADP this year. Marion Barber is ahead of Julius Jones. Jerrious Norwood is ahead of Warrick Dunn. DeAngelo Williams and Maurice Jones-Drew are ahead of DeShaun Foster and Fred Taylor, respectively.

While you can make an argument for the latter two backups being ahead of the current starters, the former two are hard to understand. My biggest problems with ranking Jones-Drew and Barber so high is that much of their scoring last year came from TDs which are fickle at best. Jones-Drew at least got enough carries you can see him succeeding if his TD numbers drop. But does anyone really think Barber will put up monster numbers if he scores half the TDs he did last season? Combine that with a new coaching staff and I think he is a HUGE risk this year.

 
I have noticed a couple strange flips in ADP this year. Marion Barber is ahead of Julius Jones. Jerrious Norwood is ahead of Warrick Dunn. DeAngelo Williams and Maurice Jones-Drew are ahead of DeShaun Foster and Fred Taylor, respectively.While you can make an argument for the latter two backups being ahead of the current starters, the former two are hard to understand. My biggest problems with ranking Jones-Drew and Barber so high is that much of their scoring last year came from TDs which are fickle at best. Jones-Drew at least got enough carries you can see him succeeding if his TD numbers drop. But does anyone really think Barber will put up monster numbers if he scores half the TDs he did last season? Combine that with a new coaching staff and I think he is a HUGE risk this year.
True, but in reality he Barber is the red zone back for the Cowboys. Countless times we saw Julius tote the rock between the 20s but when it got down low, out came Jones and in came Barber. Obviously they have a new coach now though. So that might change. I am steering clear of Jones and Barber.MJD scored on a lot of long ones. I don't know that anybody can keep that up. Jacksonville just re-upped with Taylor as well. So that kind of put any thoughts of MJD getting the lion's share of the carries to rest. Dunn is Dunn. Always underrated, always going to lose out to the second guy. Always too good to keep off the field. Deshaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams is going to be more of a classic RBBC I think. Fox has done this in the past and has also shown that he is loyal to a fault to the older guys. I'll pass there.
 
Wheelhouse posted

Tight End: David Martin, MIA - With Randy McMichael gone AND Miami's leading receiver, Wes Welker with New England, I can see David Martin stepping up in the Dolphins offense this season. Chris Chambers, although flashy and streaky, has never been a consistent receiver in the NFL. I'm guessing that David Martin, who plays like a WR, will have a big role in the Dolphins offense this season, especially with a QB like Trent Green who actively looked Tony Gonzalez's way for the Chiefs. It should be good enough for him to exceed being better than the 30th best Tight End in the NFL.

komments: This is your first pick that I really don't like at all. Martin has never proven capable of being consistent or staying healthy. Add to that the uncertainty at QB for Miami and I would steer very clear of this guy. I like Marcus Pollard in Seattle as my sleeper. He is new to the team but flashed brilliance in Indy and Holgrem will use a TE in the red zone. And his ADP is very close to Martin's (26 to Martin's 28).
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Add Eric Johnson to that. He is the perfect type of route runner and receiver to excell in the NO offense. And Brees doesn't mind throwing to an open tight end. While many are looking for some number 2 WR to step up in NO, watch for Eric Johnson to fill that void.
 
I love the list, except for Huard. We're talking a Herm Edwards led team here. And the moves they've made this offseason dealing vets and accumulating picks seem to match the Croyle buzz coming out of the front office. Am I mistaken there? Huard is probably the better option at this point, but it seems like it makes more sense for KC to give Croyle the shot sooner rather than later.

Late in a redraft I much prefer a guy like Jeff Garcia.

 
And the moves they've made this offseason
Using their R1 pick on a WR, cutting ties with a HORRIBLE pass-protecting left tackle (13.5 sacks allowed) and acquiring a solid one (5 sacks allowed)?Offensively, they're just adding what they can with what resources are available to them - namely the draft and free agency.

I don't see any reason to think Huard won't be the starter. They're getting younger across the board and starting Croyle is a nice concept but, in reality, Herm will start the best players, and I'd bet money Huard outperforms Croyle.

 

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