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They have allowed only 3 passing td's, against 12 interceptions.
Makes me wonder how good a start Aaron Rodgers is this weekend.
Makes me wonder how good a start Aaron Rodgers is this weekend.
Someone listened to Mike and Mike this morning?They are also the first team to go 7-0 without throwing for more than 200 yards since the all-mighty Dieter Brock did it in 1985 with the Rams and started 8-0 without throwing for more than 200 yards.
A friend of a friend is Cortland's agent. Based on the job he's doing this year, I'm thinking they negotiated that new contract a little too soon. He could have gotten paid if he keeps things up.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
I think you are wrong here. It looked as though Finnegan was lined up on Wayne most of the night. I might be wrong, but I think Finnegan played Wayne the most last night.Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
Harper was not on Wayne most of the night.Finnegan was lining up on him nearly all night right at the line to bump him.Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
Not sure that is all that might be in GB's favor.They arguably have a better pass game than the offenses TN has faced so far.Don't just look at overall numbers...Houston was not quite doing much yet...Indy gets more yards than GB through the air but GB has looked far more effective throwing the ball.GB can spread them out a bit better with a multitude of WRs for sure.But don't have the TEs to do like Indy did.That said, TN can run the ball and control things a bit more and GB will try to do the same and win the TOP battle and try to wear a defense down.Should be a fun game.Dominant Pass D. Tony G and Dallas Clark are the only two "recievers" to have success against them this year - real or fantasy scoring wise. Green Bay better hope their bye, Tennessee's short week, and perhaps an emotional let down after the big MNF game against their rival is enough.
This is what I saw too. Finnegan is proving to be one of the better CB's in the league at this time and is playing at a pro bowl level. He was a blessing in disguise for the Titans. Losing A. Jones was the best thing for this team. Finnegan is not just a cover corner as he is very good in run support as well.Harper was not on Wayne most of the night.Finnegan was lining up on him nearly all night right at the line to bump him.Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
None of the deep routes to Harrison worked well either; the only hay that Peyton was able to make was via Dallas Clark.This is what I saw too. Finnegan is proving to be one of the better CB's in the league at this time and is playing at a pro bowl level. He was a blessing in disguise for the Titans. Losing A. Jones was the best thing for this team. Finnegan is not just a cover corner as he is very good in run support as well.Harper was not on Wayne most of the night.Finnegan was lining up on him nearly all night right at the line to bump him.Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
This is correct. I own both Wayne and Finnegan so I was keeping a close eye on both. Finne was covering Wayne all night.I think you are wrong here. It looked as though Finnegan was lined up on Wayne most of the night. I might be wrong, but I think Finnegan played Wayne the most last night.Nick Harper was on Wayne most of the night, he is the one who had a few big passes defended. Finnegan is very good though.Cortland Finnegan is starting to make folks think about benching your WR1couldn't even get 8 points in PPR from RWayne last nighti just noticed last night that even on the WR completions last night, Titans were draped all over em.
True, but he was shook up on the one hit by Gary Brackett (I think)Here's another amazing stat, courtesy of Peter King's most recent column:
The Titans' mantra all week was to keep Kerry Collins clean and not let the speed of the Indy front seven play a part in the game. Collins did stay clean. He wasn't sacked -- and if you read Monday Morning QB, you noted now the Titans have a streak of 5½ games (22 quarters) without allowing a sack.
Amazing in today's football, where speed on defense kills. What's more, Dwight Freeney was neutralized by Tennessee left tackle Michael Roos with occasional chip help, and the Colts had but two quarterback hits on Collins in four quarters.
We joked that he pretended to be shook up because he missed a wide open receiver. The replay showed that he didn't appear to get hit hard by Brackett.True, but he was shook up on the one hit by Gary Brackett (I think)Here's another amazing stat, courtesy of Peter King's most recent column:
The Titans' mantra all week was to keep Kerry Collins clean and not let the speed of the Indy front seven play a part in the game. Collins did stay clean. He wasn't sacked -- and if you read Monday Morning QB, you noted now the Titans have a streak of 5½ games (22 quarters) without allowing a sack.
Amazing in today's football, where speed on defense kills. What's more, Dwight Freeney was neutralized by Tennessee left tackle Michael Roos with occasional chip help, and the Colts had but two quarterback hits on Collins in four quarters.
Certainly a nice accomplishment, but ranking last in passing attempts never hurt. The Titans have only allowed 2 sacks all season.The Titans have a streak of 5½ games (22 quarters) without allowing a sack.
Not sure that is all that might be in GB's favor.They arguably have a better pass game than the offenses TN has faced so far.Don't just look at overall numbers...Houston was not quite doing much yet...Indy gets more yards than GB through the air but GB has looked far more effective throwing the ball.GB can spread them out a bit better with a multitude of WRs for sure.But don't have the TEs to do like Indy did.That said, TN can run the ball and control things a bit more and GB will try to do the same and win the TOP battle and try to wear a defense down.Should be a fun game.Dominant Pass D. Tony G and Dallas Clark are the only two "recievers" to have success against them this year - real or fantasy scoring wise. Green Bay better hope their bye, Tennessee's short week, and perhaps an emotional let down after the big MNF game against their rival is enough.
On the flip side is a older QB with limited mobility and middlin' WRs. There's only a few times per game that they need to throw a go route (or a seam to Scaife/Crumpler) to keep safeties off the line.Certainly a nice accomplishment, but ranking last in passing attempts never hurt. The Titans have only allowed 2 sacks all season.The Titans have a streak of 5½ games (22 quarters) without allowing a sack.
Yeah, but if you look at the point differential, it's not so much. I have an easier decision with Bulger at AZ (#21 defense) over Rodgers.I don't care how good TEN defense is, I can't bring myself to start Fitzpatrick or Russell over Rodgers, as the current FBG rankings suggest I do. Whatever happened to never bench your studs?
i think every team in the NFL might be in trouble if down 24Uber uber solid defense, a really nice running game and a QB that is playing within himself... the big question is during the playoffs, will there be one week where the opponent gets a decent drive for a TD, a long bomb and one fluky TD (defensive TD, return game etc) along with a FG - and then Tenn will be behind and perhaps unable to catch up. Of course, we are reaching a bit here... but their lack of a passing game is a big weakness if they end up in that situation.
Uhh...where did you hear that?I wouldn't put much stock in their running game or defense. I heard somewhere that the only reason the Titans are winning is because Vince Young is carrying them on his back.
I never said those would be unanswered points... but even against a very good defense, those 24 points are very feasible - conservatively speaking I may add.If that is the case, Im not sure that the Titans can must 27 points in a game against a team with a good defense and the ability to eat some clock if they do have some late lead.i think every team in the NFL might be in trouble if down 24 :(Uber uber solid defense, a really nice running game and a QB that is playing within himself... the big question is during the playoffs, will there be one week where the opponent gets a decent drive for a TD, a long bomb and one fluky TD (defensive TD, return game etc) along with a FG - and then Tenn will be behind and perhaps unable to catch up. Of course, we are reaching a bit here... but their lack of a passing game is a big weakness if they end up in that situation.
I've been starting Aaron Rodgers since week 1 with no hesitation. I picked up Schaub last week for the packers bye week, I'm thinking of rolling with him again just because of the Tenn Defense.They have allowed only 3 passing td's, against 12 interceptions.Makes me wonder how good a start Aaron Rodgers is this weekend.
I remember the Cowher-era Steelers were notorious for failing to rally once they fell behind in the 4th quarter. They were traditionally a running-game-and-defense club. They wanted to hand the ball to Bettis 11 times in the 4th quarter to run out the clock. When they were behind in the 4th, they were completely out of their element. I think Cowher went like 9 years or something ridiculous between 4th quarter comebacks.The 2000 Ravens were another team built like that, only they never fell behind big in the playoffs so they never faced that situation.Uber uber solid defense, a really nice running game and a QB that is playing within himself... the big question is during the playoffs, will there be one week where the opponent gets a decent drive for a TD, a long bomb and one fluky TD (defensive TD, return game etc) along with a FG - and then Tenn will be behind and perhaps unable to catch up. Of course, we are reaching a bit here... but their lack of a passing game is a big weakness if they end up in that situation.
It's tough to interpret from this game because KVB did not play, but I will say that the secondary is an under-acknowledged strength on this team. Perhaps its just the corners that are excellent, as the wideouts were shutdown but the safeties and/or linebackers couldn't stop Clark.I get the feeling in watching the Titans play like they are beatable, so I give them high marks for coming to play EVERY WEEK. Not really surprising given they have one of the best coaches in the league.I'm glad I found this thread because I was going to post something about the Titans D and didn't want a Honda.I was not that impressed by the Titans' D. The Colts actually ran the ball pretty well against them (which may have been due to KVB's absence) and when the Colts played no huddle, Haynesworth was gasping for air. Clark was wide open on a few of his catches and for the life of me I can't figure out why because he was running right down the middle of the field.I didn't see Hope's first INT, but the second one was due to an overthrow by Manning that Clark could not bring down. In my opinion the Colts' loss had more to do with Manning's inaccurate throws and some ill advised 4th down gambles (I know hindsight is 20-20) rather than the dominance of the Titans' D.The Titans' run D is still dominant if Haynesworth is playing, but I don't think their pass D has faced a strong test yet.
I thought the Colts played the Titans better than any offense this year, they likely ran better than any did too. KVB being out had to hurt. It seems their quality depth is inside after Haynesworth's absence created such a problem last year. I'm not a fan of Fisher's no blitz defense because it's just not as fun to watch. Clearly it works and kudos to him, but I'd rather be entertained by a fired up D. So, without the blitzing, the Titans D does seem different. That just didn't seem like it was anywhere near the same D that got to Garrard 7 times. Nonetheless it worked.Titans had issues with Clark but Hope had 2 INTs. Clark's a fine player. I think ya gotta figure the 2 INTs cancels some of Clark's production out and consider it a decent job on him. While often underused, he's one of the best TEs and most NFL Ds aren't that fortunate against him when the Colts pass to him a bunch.It's tough to interpret from this game because KVB did not play, but I will say that the secondary is an under-acknowledged strength on this team. Perhaps its just the corners that are excellent, as the wideouts were shutdown but the safeties and/or linebackers couldn't stop Clark.I get the feeling in watching the Titans play like they are beatable, so I give them high marks for coming to play EVERY WEEK. Not really surprising given they have one of the best coaches in the league.I'm glad I found this thread because I was going to post something about the Titans D and didn't want a Honda.I was not that impressed by the Titans' D. The Colts actually ran the ball pretty well against them (which may have been due to KVB's absence) and when the Colts played no huddle, Haynesworth was gasping for air. Clark was wide open on a few of his catches and for the life of me I can't figure out why because he was running right down the middle of the field.I didn't see Hope's first INT, but the second one was due to an overthrow by Manning that Clark could not bring down. In my opinion the Colts' loss had more to do with Manning's inaccurate throws and some ill advised 4th down gambles (I know hindsight is 20-20) rather than the dominance of the Titans' D.The Titans' run D is still dominant if Haynesworth is playing, but I don't think their pass D has faced a strong test yet.
Wasn't going to bother going hunting through the search engine for you, because if you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't been reading VY threads on here for the last 3 years.But, I went to dig up a post I made with some Titans stats on kick returns for someone else and since I was replying to people expressing just this kind of view, figured I'd link to it. Different phrasing but the thought behind it that VY was hugely responsible for the team's success is exactly what I was alluding to.Uhh...where did you hear that?I wouldn't put much stock in their running game or defense. I heard somewhere that the only reason the Titans are winning is because Vince Young is carrying them on his back.
Unless you believe that a QB needs a certain amount of polish to turn a 9-23 team into a 16-11 team in his first two years in the league. I happen to be of that opinion.If people want to debate just exactly how much his upside is or whether he'll ever be an mvp candidate.... I wouldn't argue with whatever point of view they had. To me the guy has been a solid starter that been a huge part of a major turnaround for a franchise despite the fact he didn't have much time to sit and learn the offense from the bench like so many had predicted. That's polished to me.The prediction was that it would take 3-4 seasons for VY to become a polished QB. He's had 2 seasons. That makes it still too early to say whether either side on this question is right or wrong.Couldn't disagree more. Now is when we find out who was right and who was wrong.To that point I don't really see this as "Mort was right" by some people in this thread. In his first two seasons Young has a record of 16 wins and 11 losses in games where he passed the ball 15 or more times. Plenty of people would love for a QB that young to put up a record like that with the #1 pick in the draft let alone the #3 pick. And I'm sure there will be a lot of "but they're winning DESPITE him" responses but let's not forget how TEN got the #3 pick in the draft before he got there. The Titans were 4-12 before Young got there, and 5-11 the year before that. Anyone not recognizing Young contributing to the turnaround of the Titans is trying really hard not to. Call it "polished" or not, but if you're my #3 pick in the draft and my team goes from 9-23 to 16-11 then I'll be grateful for the unpolished change in fortune.You know, I always thought that if I dredged up an old thread to try to prove that I was right and another poster was wrong, that I would be the one that looked like an #######. Turns out that's exactly how it looks.
So your support for a statement that the whole reason they are winning now is because of VY is that someone stated in August talking about VY's first 2 seasons?Good job.Wasn't going to bother going hunting through the search engine for you, because if you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't been reading VY threads on here for the last 3 years.But, I went to dig up a post I made with some Titans stats on kick returns for someone else and since I was replying to people expressing just this kind of view, figured I'd link to it. Different phrasing but the thought behind it that VY was hugely responsible for the team's success is exactly what I was alluding to.Uhh...where did you hear that?I wouldn't put much stock in their running game or defense. I heard somewhere that the only reason the Titans are winning is because Vince Young is carrying them on his back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9070880
Unless you believe that a QB needs a certain amount of polish to turn a 9-23 team into a 16-11 team in his first two years in the league. I happen to be of that opinion.If people want to debate just exactly how much his upside is or whether he'll ever be an mvp candidate.... I wouldn't argue with whatever point of view they had. To me the guy has been a solid starter that been a huge part of a major turnaround for a franchise despite the fact he didn't have much time to sit and learn the offense from the bench like so many had predicted. That's polished to me.The prediction was that it would take 3-4 seasons for VY to become a polished QB. He's had 2 seasons. That makes it still too early to say whether either side on this question is right or wrong.Couldn't disagree more. Now is when we find out who was right and who was wrong.To that point I don't really see this as "Mort was right" by some people in this thread. In his first two seasons Young has a record of 16 wins and 11 losses in games where he passed the ball 15 or more times. Plenty of people would love for a QB that young to put up a record like that with the #1 pick in the draft let alone the #3 pick. And I'm sure there will be a lot of "but they're winning DESPITE him" responses but let's not forget how TEN got the #3 pick in the draft before he got there. The Titans were 4-12 before Young got there, and 5-11 the year before that. Anyone not recognizing Young contributing to the turnaround of the Titans is trying really hard not to. Call it "polished" or not, but if you're my #3 pick in the draft and my team goes from 9-23 to 16-11 then I'll be grateful for the unpolished change in fortune.You know, I always thought that if I dredged up an old thread to try to prove that I was right and another poster was wrong, that I would be the one that looked like an #######. Turns out that's exactly how it looks.
Are you really not able to grasp that my point was the Titans are winning huge without VY now when he's not even playing, so obviously the rest of the team also improved a lot during those years that some people were giving VY the lions share of credit?Or are you just being argumentative for its own sake?So your support for a statement that the whole reason they are winning now is because of VY is that someone stated in August talking about VY's first 2 seasons?Good job.Wasn't going to bother going hunting through the search engine for you, because if you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't been reading VY threads on here for the last 3 years.But, I went to dig up a post I made with some Titans stats on kick returns for someone else and since I was replying to people expressing just this kind of view, figured I'd link to it. Different phrasing but the thought behind it that VY was hugely responsible for the team's success is exactly what I was alluding to.Uhh...where did you hear that?I wouldn't put much stock in their running game or defense. I heard somewhere that the only reason the Titans are winning is because Vince Young is carrying them on his back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9070880
Unless you believe that a QB needs a certain amount of polish to turn a 9-23 team into a 16-11 team in his first two years in the league. I happen to be of that opinion.If people want to debate just exactly how much his upside is or whether he'll ever be an mvp candidate.... I wouldn't argue with whatever point of view they had. To me the guy has been a solid starter that been a huge part of a major turnaround for a franchise despite the fact he didn't have much time to sit and learn the offense from the bench like so many had predicted. That's polished to me.The prediction was that it would take 3-4 seasons for VY to become a polished QB. He's had 2 seasons. That makes it still too early to say whether either side on this question is right or wrong.Couldn't disagree more. Now is when we find out who was right and who was wrong.To that point I don't really see this as "Mort was right" by some people in this thread. In his first two seasons Young has a record of 16 wins and 11 losses in games where he passed the ball 15 or more times. Plenty of people would love for a QB that young to put up a record like that with the #1 pick in the draft let alone the #3 pick. And I'm sure there will be a lot of "but they're winning DESPITE him" responses but let's not forget how TEN got the #3 pick in the draft before he got there. The Titans were 4-12 before Young got there, and 5-11 the year before that. Anyone not recognizing Young contributing to the turnaround of the Titans is trying really hard not to. Call it "polished" or not, but if you're my #3 pick in the draft and my team goes from 9-23 to 16-11 then I'll be grateful for the unpolished change in fortune.You know, I always thought that if I dredged up an old thread to try to prove that I was right and another poster was wrong, that I would be the one that looked like an #######. Turns out that's exactly how it looks.![]()
That would be great had you stated that...rather than saying you would not worry about this running game or defense...which is talking about this year...which is a bit different than the past 2 years as well.You tried just taking a cheap shot at Vince and were called on it.Are you really not able to grasp that my point was the Titans are winning huge without VY now when he's not even playing, so obviously the rest of the team also improved a lot during those years that some people were giving VY the lions share of credit?Or are you just being argumentative for its own sake?So your support for a statement that the whole reason they are winning now is because of VY is that someone stated in August talking about VY's first 2 seasons?Good job.Wasn't going to bother going hunting through the search engine for you, because if you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't been reading VY threads on here for the last 3 years.But, I went to dig up a post I made with some Titans stats on kick returns for someone else and since I was replying to people expressing just this kind of view, figured I'd link to it. Different phrasing but the thought behind it that VY was hugely responsible for the team's success is exactly what I was alluding to.Uhh...where did you hear that?I wouldn't put much stock in their running game or defense. I heard somewhere that the only reason the Titans are winning is because Vince Young is carrying them on his back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9070880
Unless you believe that a QB needs a certain amount of polish to turn a 9-23 team into a 16-11 team in his first two years in the league. I happen to be of that opinion.If people want to debate just exactly how much his upside is or whether he'll ever be an mvp candidate.... I wouldn't argue with whatever point of view they had. To me the guy has been a solid starter that been a huge part of a major turnaround for a franchise despite the fact he didn't have much time to sit and learn the offense from the bench like so many had predicted. That's polished to me.The prediction was that it would take 3-4 seasons for VY to become a polished QB. He's had 2 seasons. That makes it still too early to say whether either side on this question is right or wrong.Couldn't disagree more. Now is when we find out who was right and who was wrong.To that point I don't really see this as "Mort was right" by some people in this thread. In his first two seasons Young has a record of 16 wins and 11 losses in games where he passed the ball 15 or more times. Plenty of people would love for a QB that young to put up a record like that with the #1 pick in the draft let alone the #3 pick. And I'm sure there will be a lot of "but they're winning DESPITE him" responses but let's not forget how TEN got the #3 pick in the draft before he got there. The Titans were 4-12 before Young got there, and 5-11 the year before that. Anyone not recognizing Young contributing to the turnaround of the Titans is trying really hard not to. Call it "polished" or not, but if you're my #3 pick in the draft and my team goes from 9-23 to 16-11 then I'll be grateful for the unpolished change in fortune.You know, I always thought that if I dredged up an old thread to try to prove that I was right and another poster was wrong, that I would be the one that looked like an #######. Turns out that's exactly how it looks.![]()
Says the guy who posted what he did about VY looking to do what?Hah!!!Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.Right, arguing just to argue. Thanks for replying.
I'm going with Pennington over him in one league, and Garrard in another. Titans D is where QBs go to die. Manning managed to just get that garbage time 3rd TD last week.They have allowed only 3 passing td's, against 12 interceptions.Makes me wonder how good a start Aaron Rodgers is this weekend.
TE is definitely Tennessee's weakness. 2 TDs for Dallas last week.They have yet to allow a 100 yard receiver. Tony G was the closest with 97.
My perspective is that Green Bay's shutdown corners will make a mockery of Collins and his anemic wide receiving corps, nabbing at least 2 picks.While I agree that it will be tough sledding for Green Bay's offense, I don't see Tenn having the success against Green Bay that they had against Indy.I would not even dream of starting Rodgers this weekend. GB is going to get smoked on the road. Titans will easily win. See what the Bucs did to GB at home; expect more of the same here. GB has no running game and Titans eat teams that only pass the ball.