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Kolby Smith #9 RB? :hey:

Peyton Manning # 15 QB and ranked below REX GROSSMAN? :bag:

Cotchery more than 10 spots higher than both Chad Johnson and TJ ??? :X

 
Definitely eye opening. But, following this post will be the slew of "Do your own thinking", "point to shirt", etc. It is one guys opinion. I'd love it if a blurb or something was included next to the rankings sometimes, but, oh well.

 
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first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
I am relaxed. For instance I am surprised that his first thought was "I like Rexy over Peyton more this week". I dunno but if I thought for a half of a second "I like Rexy over Peyton" I'd slap myself quickly and laugh. Even for a first thought it seems out of whack, maybe I'm the only one who is shocked.
 
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
I am relaxed. For instance I am surprised that his first thought was "I like Rexy over Peyton more this week". I dunno but if I thought for a half of a second "I like Rexy over Peyton" I'd slap myself quickly and laugh. Even for a first thought it seems out of whack, maybe I'm the only one who is shocked.
Your not the only one. The Peyton ranking jumped off the page to me as well. I agree with an earlier post, it would be great to see a one sentence take on the rankings.
 
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
Even first swipes shouldn't be obviously off by this much.
If I told you in week 10 that Thomas Jones would go for 100+ against Pittsburgh, how far off would I be?These are getting old, every week there's a dozen threads questioning FBGs rankings. These have no business in the Shark Pool, IMO, they belong in a support email or a support forum.
 
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
I am relaxed. For instance I am surprised that his first thought was "I like Rexy over Peyton more this week". I dunno but if I thought for a half of a second "I like Rexy over Peyton" I'd slap myself quickly and laugh. Even for a first thought it seems out of whack, maybe I'm the only one who is shocked.
Your not the only one. The Peyton ranking jumped off the page to me as well. I agree with an earlier post, it would be great to see a one sentence take on the rankings.
They seemed odd to me also, but they were put together late last night or early this morning.......I will give Dodds a Mully....I would say he is correct more often than not overall.
 
I suggest to not even look at the ranking page, instead always look at the projection page. The rankings dummy it down by eliminating the projected stats behind the rankings. The difference between 10 ranking spots may be a 50% chance versus 60% chance of 1 TD.

When it's that close is when you really need to look at target opportunities, match-ups, etc., and then go with your gut.

 
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
Even first swipes shouldn't be obviously off by this much.
If I told you in week 10 that Thomas Jones would go for 100+ against Pittsburgh, how far off would I be?These are getting old, every week there's a dozen threads questioning FBGs rankings. These have no business in the Shark Pool, IMO, they belong in a support email or a support forum.
I think this forum is the perfect place for these threads. Id rather talk this type of stuff than anything Patriots right now.Nothing is wrong with questioning FBG logic. Sometimes they have more info to go off of than even the hardcore fantasty fans. Why is Manning so low? Who knows, maybe its the short practice week and banged up WR corps. However it is ATL. Ranking him behind Grossman who faces Champ & Dre is a huge question IMO. For every out of the blue prediction FBGs nail, there are one or two that are total misses as well.
 
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
Even first swipes shouldn't be obviously off by this much.
If I told you in week 10 that Thomas Jones would go for 100+ against Pittsburgh, how far off would I be?These are getting old, every week there's a dozen threads questioning FBGs rankings. These have no business in the Shark Pool, IMO, they belong in a support email or a support forum.
I think this forum is the perfect place for these threads. Id rather talk this type of stuff than anything Patriots right now.Nothing is wrong with questioning FBG logic. Sometimes they have more info to go off of than even the hardcore fantasty fans. Why is Manning so low? Who knows, maybe its the short practice week and banged up WR corps. However it is ATL. Ranking him behind Grossman who faces Champ & Dre is a huge question IMO. For every out of the blue prediction FBGs nail, there are one or two that are total misses as well.
Apparently, you're not the only one. :cry:Well, have to agree to disagree. I've ignored them all year til now, guess I'll go back to ignore mode, I gave my 2 cents.Carry on.
 
I'm not sure on this but are the rankings even reviewed by a human? Aren't they the result of the game predictor calculations or something?

 
I, too, don't have any problem with these types of threads. It gets discussion flowing. I may be thinking one thing is absurd, but then, after posting it, 5 people may disagree with me and I may see a different side that I did not consider.

I love the fact that the rankings and articles are out early this week, but everything seems so rushed. I don't think much thought was put into them. On SI's fantasy site, they have Cedric Benson the second ranked running back for the week.

 
I, too, don't have any problem with these types of threads. It gets discussion flowing. I may be thinking one thing is absurd, but then, after posting it, 5 people may disagree with me and I may see a different side that I did not consider.

I love the fact that the rankings and articles are out early this week, but everything seems so rushed. I don't think much thought was put into them. On SI's fantasy site, they have Cedric Benson the second ranked running back for the week.
I think most of us expect more from FBG's than we do SI or Sportsline.
 
I agree that there is merit to discussing rankings, but blanket statements and baseless remarks without opinion such as the OPs are useless.

Kolby Smith #9 RB? :confused: Peyton Manning # 15 QB and ranked below REX GROSSMAN? :X Cotchery more than 10 spots higher than both Chad Johnson and TJ ??? :X
People are asking for remarks on the FBG rankings, why don't you provide the same for your opinions rather than just posting :X ?
 
peyton's 15 rank is actually hi considering his 7 points last week, or 6 interceptions the week before. I give Doods guts for finally moveing him down where he belongs unlike others opinions i've seen this week. That Indy offense has really been struggling without Marvin. Beside I play him this week and he owns Peyton against my Brady! I like my odds even with my 3 top rbs out it looks like! haha Of coarse I already clinched the 1 seed so its a meaningless game to me!

With Coles out he might just be right on Crotchery. They have to pass it to someone! ha

At least he gives you some insights to look into.

 
I agree that there is merit to discussing rankings, but blanket statements and baseless remarks without opinion such as the OPs are useless.

Kolby Smith #9 RB? :X Peyton Manning # 15 QB and ranked below REX GROSSMAN? :X Cotchery more than 10 spots higher than both Chad Johnson and TJ ??? :X
People are asking for remarks on the FBG rankings, why don't you provide the same for your opinions rather than just posting :X ?
Can't resist... when you start paying "us" to put more... than we will. :confused: I'm not a paying user anymore. Two subpar 500 seasons and I decided I needed a change. I went solo... sans normal available information. I have a 9-2 team ( losing to only the same team 2X ) and lead the league. Life is great.. I found I tended to rely on it FBG much... especially when drafting. Now, I do my own thinking... and I make some mistakes, but I don't speculate as much as before.
 
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I've been a paying member 7 or 8 years now and beleive me it wasn;t ever because of the cheat sheets! There is a tons of material highly valuable to me. I seldome ever even look at the cheat sheets. That 20,OOO I have my eyes on in the FBG contest is the number one reason I am a subscriber! I was dominating football leagues long Before FBG ever came around. Long before the interent was even born!

The trick is to form your own feelings and make your own calls, not lean on anyone elses opinions. The information is here to help you imply that. But to relay on it. No way!

I;ll burn u everytime!

 
There is a certain protocol one should follow when questioning FBG rankings.

You are supposed to say "Why is so-and-so ranked so friggin low this week?"

I generally find that this produces a greater reaction... errr, response from the other posters.

 
I haven't read the rankings this week yet, but it wouldn't surprise me at all for the Colts game plan to feature the ground game / Addai (and even K. Keith) a ton this week.

Marvin's out again, and even Aaron Moorehead is on IR. It'll be Wayne and Dallas Clark as a 1-2 receiver punch again.

The difference is that the Falcons are ailing on the D-line and it will be a field day for Addai running. He should have 100+ by halftime (maybe combined, 60/40 rush pass, but 100+ combined) and then the Colts will hold the hapless Falcons to a 21-10 score by the third quarter. Once Indy is up by two scores they'll go for one more and then run, run, run the clock out. If it is a blowout come the 4th quarter, enter Keith in mop-up for 50-70 yards rushing.

I didn't even mention the Colts D yet, but they should force a few turnovers out of Harrington and set up a few short fields, or even score - accelerating the game towards a run-fest.

I wouldn't be surprised at all for it to be Indy 31, Atlanta 10 when all said and done. Peyton with 1 TD and 150-175 yards just because they don't need him to throw. Addai goes off.

My :no:

 
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, I believe the first run of projections/rankings are 90% straight from the computer matrix/program Dodds has developed over the years. It is the second (later tonight) and later updates that have most of Dodd's adjustments from personal analysis and injury information. I have seen both David and Joe question whether these should even be released, but the masses want them as early as possible. You get what you ask for.

I will admit that some of the rankings can be quite alarming in the first run though.

 
i've got admit tho, i find it very odd (and confounding) that year-after-year the people ask for a 1-line explanation with the rankings, and FBGs continues to ignore this request (at least i never seen a response as to why it wont be done).

each year FBG adds more content, more staff members, and overall more value. but why wont they give the 1 thing that members ask for every single year?

dont take this as a "i hate fbg" bash post. i'm just expressing some frustration i've felt over this one issue.

 
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Its obvious the guys that do the FBG projections either are not very smart or dont put much time or effort into them. Last week they had a few defensive teams projected to get exactly 0 sacks. They project defensive stats by decimals but for some reason they didnt even think there was a .1 chance that the teams could get a single sack. What a joke. No excuse for that.

 
Some of the projections usually have me scratching my head every week. The thing with projections is that they are never 100% accurate. Projection = Guess. Not to take away from Dodds but I'm sure a lot of us could make our own projections and probably be as accurate as he is. Projecting correctly is predicting the future which nobody can do, not even FBGs.

Like Pasquino said, Indy might run all day. On other hand, Manning might get a lot of passing yds and TDs early to put the game out of reach and force the Falcons to become one dimensional. See, any projection can be justified depending on your perspective.

 
Banger said:
dickey moe said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
Even first swipes shouldn't be obviously off by this much.
what are the fantasy point differences in the two projections? I'd imagine a point or two....it's usually not a big deal.
Unless you lose by a point or two...
 
If Kolby Smith was coming in as starter on the best running team in the league, one that routinely put up 5 yards per carry and scored a couple of running TDs per week, nobody would question his being ranked in the top 10 this week.

He isn't. But he IS coming in against arguably the worst running defense in the league - one that routinely gives up 5 yards per carry (last in the league) and has given up 16 TDs on the ground (last in the league). They have also given up 15 runs of 20 yards+ (last in the league). Oakland is giving up 152 rush yards per game (31st in the league).

In the last 7 weeks against Oakland, RBs have fared like this:

164 rush yards, 3 TDs (Chester Taylor)

72 rush yards, 1TD (Cedric Benson)

159 rush yards, 2 TDs (Ron Dayne/Ahman Green & co)

181 rush yards, 1 TD (LenDale White/Chris Henry)

112 rush yards, 1 TD (Larry Johnson)

198 rush yards, 4 TDs (LT)

134 rush yards, 1 TD (Ronnie Brown)

I know Smith is completely unproven as a feature back but whereas a below-average QB is usally found out by any defense in the league, most RBs who make an NFL roster can produce decent results against a very poor run defense, and that's what Oakland has been lately.

 
Max Power said:
PatrickT said:
dickey moe said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
Even first swipes shouldn't be obviously off by this much.
If I told you in week 10 that Thomas Jones would go for 100+ against Pittsburgh, how far off would I be?These are getting old, every week there's a dozen threads questioning FBGs rankings. These have no business in the Shark Pool, IMO, they belong in a support email or a support forum.
I think this forum is the perfect place for these threads. Id rather talk this type of stuff than anything Patriots right now.Nothing is wrong with questioning FBG logic. Sometimes they have more info to go off of than even the hardcore fantasty fans. Why is Manning so low? Who knows, maybe its the short practice week and banged up WR corps. However it is ATL. Ranking him behind Grossman who faces Champ & Dre is a huge question IMO. For every out of the blue prediction FBGs nail, there are one or two that are total misses as well.
Being critical of FBG rankings from time to time, I would say I could buy into this weeks rankings on Grossman over Manning.Atlanta is the 8th best defense against the Pass, Denver is 10th at least as Yards allowed. Atlanta Def has allowed 213 points, Denver 248 points. The Colts have some problems right now and Peyton seems ready for a small meltdown. Grossman is erratic at best. I still could not bench Peyton for Grossman, but I can sort of see the "Logic". Kinda of gutsy in my book and serves the FBG subscribers well if thats what they have they should put it up there. Its not like Peyton is throwing like Peyton Manning right now. I would rather start a tuna sandwich over Rex, but thats me.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
I am relaxed. For instance I am surprised that his first thought was "I like Rexy over Peyton more this week". I dunno but if I thought for a half of a second "I like Rexy over Peyton" I'd slap myself quickly and laugh. Even for a first thought it seems out of whack, maybe I'm the only one who is shocked.
Your not the only one. The Peyton ranking jumped off the page to me as well.
Atlanta leads the NFC in turnover diff and Harrison is still out. Wayne will be blanketed by a darn good DB all day. He deserves a lower ranking.
 
uwgb96 said:
I agree that there is merit to discussing rankings, but blanket statements and baseless remarks without opinion such as the OPs are useless.

Kolby Smith #9 RB? :lol: Peyton Manning # 15 QB and ranked below REX GROSSMAN? :lmao: Cotchery more than 10 spots higher than both Chad Johnson and TJ ??? :lmao:
People are asking for remarks on the FBG rankings, why don't you provide the same for your opinions rather than just posting :X ?
I admire the loyalty that I see posted from every member with that "since April 03" member tag, but you know what I dont care how long you have been roaming the halls, If the OP wants to express himself that way get over it. The OP is not taking in a ton of cash for his opinion, but FBG is. The customer is always right even when he is wrong. They offered me a refund, you gotta be kidding me, a refund?. If FBG has become such a cash cow that they can offer refunds, then they can respond the proper way to a subscribers rants. The burden to be proffessional and responsive falls on the person who is offering their service for cash, not the customer. Subscriber=Customer. FBG asks customers to employ their site and services. Subscriber=employer, Employer is > FBG. FBG serves its customers, or -------- customers goto ROTOWORLD and fire FBG. If enough customers go ROTOWORLD or other - than FBG goes broke.Mr Dodd and the rest of the staff understand that and they will respond, they always do and they are always polite even when they suspend my account every other week. :wub:
 
Adding to mdog's thoughts - all a subscriber is paying for is information and opinion. They give you plenty of information and the opininions have marginal value - I'm sure they bomb as often as they hit on the less conventional ones.

Projections are just a frame of reference. So Manning is lower than Grossman - so maybe you consider (just for a moment) playing Grossman and then realize you don't agree and you play Manning - no big deal. If you're counting on somebody's projections to make your lineups for you, you need to give up fantasy footballl now.

Or continue being a charitable donor in your league.

 
I wonder how a projection like this would have been received for RBs by this forum going into Week 10 this year ....

1 RB Westbrook,Brian

2 RB Jackson,Steven

3 RB Dunn,Warrick

4 RB Grant,Ryan

5 RB Young,Selvin

6 RB Jones-Drew,Maurice

7 RB Morris,Maurice

8 RB Portis,Clinton

9 RB Benson,Cedric

10 RB Tomlinson,Ladainian

11 RB Chatman,Jesse

12 RB Lynch,Marshawn

13 RB McGahee,Willis

14 RB Jones,Greg

15 RB Parker,Willie

16 RB Jacobs,Brandon

17 RB Taylor,Fred

18 RB Fargas,Justin

19 RB Bush,Reggie

20 RB Taylor,Chester

21 RB Stecker,Aaron

22 RB Jones,Kevin

23 RB Keith,Kenton

24 RB Gore,Frank

25 RB Holmes,Priest

26 RB James,Edgerrin

27 RB Droughns,Reuben

28 RB Addai,Joseph

29 RB Foster,De'shaun

30 RB Vickers,Lawrence

31 RB Peterson,Adrian

32 RB Pittman,Antonio

33 RB Watson,Kenny

34 RB Jones,Julius

35 RB Johnson,Rudi

36 RB Arrington,J.J.

37 RB Lewis,Jamal

38 RB Barber,Marion

39 RB Williams,DeAngelo

40 RB Weaver,Leonard

41 RB Leonard,Brian

42 RB Peterson,Adrian

43 RB White,LenDale

44 RB Davenport,Najeh

45 RB Johnson,Jeremi

46 RB Neal,Lorenzo

47 RB Jackson,Brandon

48 RB Henry,Chris

49 RB Smith,Terrelle

50 RB Wilson,Kris

"Dunn at #3 and Ryan Grant at #4?! Cedric Benson in the Top 10 ahead of the likes of FWP and and LT?! Addai at #24!?!? This is pure idiocy! Is the person who made this list even PAYING ATTENTION?!"

Yet this is exactly what happened. This would have been a PERFECT projection using standard scoring. It would have seemed pure lunacy two days ahead of time.

 
I've enjoyed both information and opinions that Joe and Crew have put out over the years. I do have to say, though, that I find the projections one of the least useful features of this site. I consult them every week, but then tend to ignore them.

Instead, I look at the players normal performance, and head to FBG's rushing/passing match-ups. Here, I often find more information and opinions that I can use. For example, laying out the fact that ATL hasn't given up more than 156 yards passing in the last three weeks, despite having injuries, doesn't give me a warm fuzzy (even considering none of those three teams were really passing teams).

Push come to shove, I'd not fault someone for benching Manning this week. IND might not have to pass at all and Dungy has shown a penchant for keeping it on the ground this year when he can. I think FBG's are over-reacting, but not without reason.

The main function of the rankings is for a reality check. If you thought Kolby was going to come in at about 30, and see him at the top of the class, all that should do is force you to go investigate why they think that. The other articles, the Forum, and the projections usually provide enough information to find WHY they think that way. Then you can either agree with the reasons or not.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
first of all these rankings are a first swipe at them.So relax
I am relaxed. For instance I am surprised that his first thought was "I like Rexy over Peyton more this week". I dunno but if I thought for a half of a second "I like Rexy over Peyton" I'd slap myself quickly and laugh. Even for a first thought it seems out of whack, maybe I'm the only one who is shocked.
I think David needs to do an explanation of the process for many of you, but here is my take:1) The early cheatsheets are here by popular demand NOT by his choice2) I think the first set of rankings follow the game predictor Very closely - given that is based on matchups and trends, you see things like Manning falling in the rankings3) Jeff Pasquino added some of his thoughts - really things that are obvious if you follow the teams in depth - if YOU don't then as suggested by several posters, the rankings should at least make you Think about why4) How many bad games by Peyton does it take for you to lower him in YOUR rankings - this may be a little overreaction, but acknowledge the processFinally, remember that these are Guidelines - if you manage your teams by them - caveat emptor - if not just view them as reasoned suggestions and make YOUR OWN CHOICESHave a Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy the games
 
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Realistically, if you have Manning, you are starting him. If you also have Romo or Brady, shame on you for not trading one of them and improving the rest of your team at this point. The rankings are usually pretty good to help you decide between guys like Warrick Dunn and Thomas Jones or other tough choices.

A one line explanation would be nice for the rankings on guys that are + - 5 spots from the week before.

 
I'm starting Vince Young (fresh off the WW) in place of Peyton this week.

Until Indy gets healthy, O-Line included, I can see why Peyton is no longer an automatic.

 
Bump.

Good luck to the 14 QBS ahead of Manning. Someone said it took nads to go against Manning, I'll just leave it at you never bench/rank in backup status your super duper #1 QB over the last seven years because of 2 bad games uber stud. My take on it is it's very "Yahoo'ish".

Another mention is why is Big Ben #20 QB this week? 19 others ahead of the 3rd ranked QB going into this week coming off his worst game of the year where he lit it up the previous 4 weeks bigtime. Rexy, Garrard, Cutler, Clemens, Garcia among others ahead of him. Yet again very "Yahoo'ish" going off one bad week. He's playing the Miami stinking Dolphins on MNF for anyone who didn't know.

 
Bump.Good luck to the 14 QBS ahead of Manning. Someone said it took nads to go against Manning, I'll just leave it at you never bench/rank in backup status your super duper #1 QB over the last seven years because of 2 bad games uber stud. My take on it is it's very "Yahoo'ish". Another mention is why is Big Ben #20 QB this week? 19 others ahead of the 3rd ranked QB going into this week coming off his worst game of the year where he lit it up the previous 4 weeks bigtime. Rexy, Garrard, Cutler, Clemens, Garcia among others ahead of him. Yet again very "Yahoo'ish" going off one bad week. He's playing the Miami stinking Dolphins on MNF for anyone who didn't know.
As a Ben owner, I can see why he's ranked low. The Steelers OLine hasn't been pass protecting very well the past few games.The MIA rush D is horrible, the game looks to be bad weather and I can just as easily see the Steelers opting to run, run, run and run some more on the Dolphins.I don't necessarily buy the logic that the MIA pass D being "improved" lately when the last 3 games were 1) in England in a deluge 2) against the Bills and 3) against a McNabb-less Eagles team that instead opted to run all over them.FYI Bloom has him at #14 this week, for comparasin's sake. That being said, if Ben increases his projected point total by 2 points, he vaults into the top 10 on the list, so is this really something we should be debating?
 
As a Ben owner, I can see why he's ranked low. The Steelers OLine hasn't been pass protecting very well the past few games. The MIA rush D is horrible, the game looks to be bad weather and I can just as easily see the Steelers opting to run, run, run and run some more on the Dolphins.
True, but the Steelers have been pass-first (especially in scoring situations) all year. Are the 0-10 Dolphins really the sort of team you make major adjustments to your (successful) game plan for?
 
I'm starting Vince Young (fresh off the WW) in place of Peyton this week.Until Indy gets healthy, O-Line included, I can see why Peyton is no longer an automatic.
Hmmm...This may not have worked out as planned :goodposting: Hey, Peyton is ranked 6th in my scoring system. I don't see anything "yahoo-ish" (to quote another poster) about making ones own decisions given the info available and based on watching the games.I may lose as a result of going against the herd on something, but at least I'll be doing it my way, which I see as more fun.
 
As a Ben owner, I can see why he's ranked low. The Steelers OLine hasn't been pass protecting very well the past few games. The MIA rush D is horrible, the game looks to be bad weather and I can just as easily see the Steelers opting to run, run, run and run some more on the Dolphins.
True, but the Steelers have been pass-first (especially in scoring situations) all year. Are the 0-10 Dolphins really the sort of team you make major adjustments to your (successful) game plan for?
Also true. However, the Steelers are without Holmes this weekend and the running game has struggled lately. What better game to focus on the running game to start to get the team prepared for the post-season?PIT could very well come out and chuck the ball all over the field, I won't deny that. However, if you look at the team they're playing, the weather forecast and the other factors, I can see why Ben would be ranked lower than normal this week. Again, he is 2 points out of being in the top 10, so it's really a non-issue.
 
iowa clubbers said:
Kolby Smith #9 RB? :pickle: Peyton Manning # 15 QB and ranked below REX GROSSMAN? :pickle: Cotchery more than 10 spots higher than both Chad Johnson and TJ ??? :pickle:
let me guess, Dodds bought new batteries for his calculator and over-analyzing things once again?
:lmao: report sent
Why would you report that, I'm sure if Dodds is the mod that gets the report he'll just think "No biggie, the reporter is kissing my rear end". :pickle:
 
I'm starting Vince Young (fresh off the WW) in place of Peyton this week.Until Indy gets healthy, O-Line included, I can see why Peyton is no longer an automatic.
Peyton Manning is no longer automatic?Bahahaha. No really.
 

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