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Jones ypc averages in the 3 Jets playoff games: 2.27, 2.93, 2.63 = 2.60 overallGreene ypc averages in the 3 Jets playoff games: 6.42, 5.57, 4.10 = 5.63 overallOn average, Greene got more than twice Jones did whenever he touched the ball.
Philly would be a great fit. I was pretty unimpressed with McCoy in general. Just seems to me as a future 3rd down back [poor man's Reggie Bush if you will]. Just way too much shake and bake for me. I thought Weaver was their best back this past season. Fantasy wise, I don't think there's a bigger sell high than McCoy.
I don't know much about the GM's career (Tannebaum), to know whether he was with the organization when they let Jordan walk over keeping Martin after his record setting (for age) year back a few years ago (mind you you can't cut a guy after 1600 yards, but they would have been better to do so...not OFF the field as Martin meant so much to the team and the image at the time), but this is the right move and I will go down saying so. I am a true believer in "Chaos Theory", so if Jones is cut and goes to a team and rushes for 200 times for 750 yards, we will never really know how he would have done on the Jets, but I think if he were to stay, it would be one year too many. I know there are those thinking that there is no cap and all, but ALL teams have a number (total spend in mind...they would be fools not to think so...so this eliminates the Skins, Boys and Raiders) have a number to spend and Jones does not fit into those plans. He looked poor in the playoffs overall (yes, we all know he got that one key first down), but they were skay with him in the game and it showed against the Colts when Greene got hurt. Don't thik for a second the Jets are not looking at all of the other 30+ RBs that have been cut (or will be cut) and I would be shocked if one of those guys does not end up on the team going into '10 for a lesser contract than Jones would have cost. This is the "dirty" side of the business, but at the end of the day is what separates the good from the great teams. Pittsburgh is notorious for this, but publicly they go unscated because they always reload.
fair point...not really very useful to assess this move until we know who they replace jones with. if the jets plan on going into next season with just Greene and Washington as the only legitimate ball carriers, then i'd say it's a bad move. we'll see.
OK by me.Signed,TJ owner.
I'd say don't be surprised to see them draft another RB this year. I can't see them going with just Greene and Washington.
I'd agree with that. If they go in with "what they have", then I see it as a bad move too. I just think they will get someone else.
What makes u think TJ can do it there if LT cant?Oh and I love how people say Leon cant come back. It was a broken leg, bones grow back, especially when you have the type of dr.s that Leon has seen. It wasnt a ACL or MCL, it was bones and those have been growing back untreated since the test of time. Now imagine a really good dr checking on the rehab. Leon got the 2nd rd tender because he is a good catching back and is explosive. Look for Leon to make a bigger splash in that offense then people give him credit for.
Maybe becuase he had 1402 yards and 14 TDs in 2009 and LT looks broken down?
its very unfair to harshly judge a young rookie(21yo) who was forced into action before he was ready and performed adequately. I didnt think he looked special this year either but that doesnt mean he isnt. What we know about TJ is that he's a 32yo who even in his prime wasn't spectacular. No thanks.
I like Washington too, but that was more than just a broken leg. That was bone breaking in half and pertruding through the skin. To assume that he will be perfect and ready to go by the start of the season is a bit presumptious. Leon is a speed guy and if anything diminishes his speed at all, he will become ineffective.
As a Leon owner I hope this is true.He was just getting on a roll last year and I thought he had good chemistry with Sanchez.I think he will have a productive year as a Flex player for me.TJ leaving can only increase his touches even if they bring in a rook.
With the caveat that I'm just throwing it out there with absolute no evidence as I'm sipping on my morning coffee, but since it seems to be a poor decision from a strictly numbers vs. skillset standpoint perhaps there is more going on here. Maybe the Jets feel that Jones will not accept a lesser role going forward gracefully enough for team harmony reasons.Maybe they feel brining in a vet without a history as the Jets starter will be a better fit for their RB rotation going forward.Just a thought.
Or maybe because he had a different OLine, or does that not matter? Or does it not matter one is run first and the other is pass first, I'm sure you can guess which one was which.TJ is a possibility, but a mistake. Makes no sense to get older at the position and cut a face of the team to do it.
I'm no doctor but was close to someone with a similer injury. Set the break, sow up the skin, let it heal, move along. Whats the problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but a broken bone, no matter how severe can heal as good as new. This is the case with someone I know who had a leg completly twist around and break the skin. An ugly injury, yes, but if my friend healed to be 100% and run just as fast and move just as quick...so can a guy with something to play for in his career and a much better group of doctor and equipment to rehab. I say Leon is a huge sleeper, I mean after all he got a second round tender, so the Jets see him as rehabing fully.No Way Jose said:
Musa Smith was never the same after his compound tibia fracture. Tibia fractures in general are rare and there isn't all that much data on how they affect RBs. 2nd round tender actually leaves door open for other team to sign LWash, if he does come all the way back, thats a reasonable price for him. 1st or 1st/3rd tender would have meant a lot more. Think this is more about lack of respect for TJ and $$$ than LWash - Avery might be onto something with theory that TJ wouldnt gracefully take back seat to Greene.
I agree TJones was and is in great physicl shape, but comparing that aspect to LT, LT as always been a hoss in the weight room too. OLine and System accounted for TJones success, do you really think he can do it in SD behind a worse OLine?
Not sure, but he's been successful playing with bad OLs in the past, but he was younger. Like I said, he's in great physical shape, has good vision and has turned into a consummate pro, and I've been one of the most outspoken critics of TJ in the past.
I don't disagree that he got better. I do think that the jets beefed up their Oline and that was in large part the main reason his numbers bumped up.David Yudkin said:
Jones' numbers improved each step of the way from ARI to TB to CHI to NYJ. That hardly ever happens. Most guys end up on 4 teams because they aren't very good and keep getting cut. He had 0 1000 rushing seaons in his first 5 years and 5 1000 yard rushing seasons in his next 5 years. I don't deny the Jets run blocking and OL got better . . . but his numbers were already on the upswing before that.
Good stuff David.David Yudkin said:
I posted your stuff on the FBG facebook page.J
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with you that they will regret letting him go... unless they pick someone up that can help pound the ball. They are built to run, and as much as I like Greene and Washington, I don't think the two of them can do it by themselves. They need someone else to help out. A veteran of some sort. Stay fairly young, you don't need to reach for someone like Westy or LT, otherwise you could have just kept TJ.My fantasy bias is showing though, in being a Greene owner. Dropping TJ will bring Greene to the forefront and make him more viable as a fantasy option...Sigmund Bloom said:
That's how I feel too. I was just looking at his splits to see if there was any telling data there, but nothing substantial. It just seemed like he'd average 2-2.5 yards/carry all game and then sneak a long run or two in the 4th quarter to make his ending line look good. I realize that's when most backs get a large chunk of their yards though.
I agree that it was a poor decision on many levels. Not even mentioning the on the field issues it creates, it can't be good for team moral to see a valuable piece of the puzzle toss aside over some $, after putting up career numbers.The Jets seem to really like Chauncey Washington who is a big back with decent speed and looked good in Jaguars camp last offseason. I don't see them realistically saying "We have C. Washington, so we're good" though.I do think they bring in a veteran like Larry Johnson or Willie Parker to back up Greene and get some carries in the mix.It's a tough business sometimes and I wish Jones all the best.
As a Jets fan, you don't see the value in keeping together the team that came *this close* to going to the Super Bowl with a rookie head coach and QB? Remember where Shonn Greene was for the 4th quarter of the AFCC - on the sideline with an injury. I think you put money and the possibility of paying someone past their usefulness on the back burner when it comes to capturing the elusive Lombardi trophy - the Greene/Jones attack in the playoffs was a thing of beauty...
Jones was not great in the playoffs at all though. Why cant the Greene/Leon/another rookie/FA be just as succesful in the playoffs?
Do you think Jones fared as well as he did because of his unique skill set and talent or because the Jets had a great OL? The Jets appear convinced it was the line that made Jones successful.I realize that Jones carried the ball way more than anyone else, but over the past 4 seasons Washington (5.0) and Greene (4.8) had better ypc averages than Jones (4.1). Come playoff time, a worn out Jones could only muster a 2.5 ypc.The Jets are banking that adding another RB piece to the puzzle (either a drafted rookie or a vet free agent) will cost them a lot less next year than $6 million for one year of Jones. Clearly that is a gamble that they are willing to take.The most comparible siutation I could think of was the Colts letting Edge walk a few years ago (granted, they didn't release him). Addai has had his ups and downs and Brown might be an asset, but the Colts offense didn't falter and the team kept winning.I would have paid Jones and brought him back for another season, but it's easy for me to say that when it's not my money.
Ill admit that Jones wore down a bit in the playoffs, but his presence still forced Ds to overcommit to the inside run. This year, they would have split the load more equally from the get-go and Jones would have been better in the playoffs.
There was a very interesting article in the WSJ awhile back about T.Jones' durability - and basically, how early injury scares led him to take care of himself better, etc. Very interesting read.
IMO, time share is completely irrelevant. All that matters is how many times a RB gets the ball (whether the rest of the RB corps gets 0 or 200 touches). Over the past 6 years, Jones has averaged 329 touches a season. His total number of touches in that time ranks him second behind Tomlinson.
