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Thomas Jones or Cedric Benson? (1 Viewer)

I am very confident that once again, TJ will be THE MAN in Chicago. I'll even go further out and say Chris Benson will continue to be a bust. Never sold on him even when he played at UT.

 
Jagerbomber said:
Paprika said:
I need to know who is getting the love in Chicago this year?
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So far all signs point to TJones. Hopefully you're not relying on either him or Benson as a starting RB
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I agree that TJones seems more likely, but I don't see how you can say "all signs point to TJones" when Benson was named the starter in training camp.This is IMHO the most unclear RB situation, and I would love it if it was cleared up soon...
 
SaintArnold said:
Jagerbomber said:
Paprika said:
I need to know who is getting the love in Chicago this year?
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So far all signs point to TJones. Hopefully you're not relying on either him or Benson as a starting RB
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I agree that TJones seems more likely, but I don't see how you can say "all signs point to TJones" when Benson was named the starter in training camp.This is IMHO the most unclear RB situation, and I would love it if it was cleared up soon...
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Fair enough. "Most signs point to TJones" better? :) Unfortunately, I don't see this being any clearer any time soon.
 
Jagerbomber said:
SaintArnold said:
Jagerbomber said:
Paprika said:
I need to know who is getting the love in Chicago this year?
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So far all signs point to TJones. Hopefully you're not relying on either him or Benson as a starting RB
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I agree that TJones seems more likely, but I don't see how you can say "all signs point to TJones" when Benson was named the starter in training camp.This is IMHO the most unclear RB situation, and I would love it if it was cleared up soon...
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Fair enough. "Most signs point to TJones" better? :) Unfortunately, I don't see this being any clearer any time soon.
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As long as it shakes out by week 4, when I have to pick one to start in a bye week, I'm OK.
 
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Paprika said:
I need to know who is getting the love in Chicago this year?
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TJ is the players’ favorite and CB has not enamored himself to this team or coaches with some of his actions (leaving the field during a preseason game). Now that we are done with that - Here is the lowdown. Management investing major money in CB and wants to see some type of return on their investment and in the NFL some times money can speak loudest.

Also another thing to know is that TJ is a much better pass blocker than CB and with a gimpy Grossman at QB the coaches need a RB who can pick up the blitz and keep their QB vertical.

 
IMO - TJ revived his career when he came to the Bears. A career considered nearly (or more) a bust he showed up in the Preist Holmes system and suddenly could play (similar to Priest oddly, who showed flashed before KC, but wasn't the player he was in that offense) I tend to think that Benson is the better back, and will show that and end up taking over this year. Management will want to give him oppertunities this year (based on the money) and all he needs to do is put up one big 1/2 of football and I see him winning the job. That said, ala Ricky Williams, if CB doesn't learn to befriend his teammates he will never be great in the NFL...he can be good, but I don't imaging teammates trying their best if CB isn't someone they respect.

All this is conjecture on my point...no real facts there. :)

 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
RKMoney said:
I am very confident that once again, TJ will be THE MAN in Chicago. I'll even go further out and say Chris Benson will continue to be a bust. Never sold on him even when he played at UT.
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Yeah, his numbers were pretty unconvincing at Texas.
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I loved Chris Benson at Texas!
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Damn! I'm too slow. I'll take 1,000,000,000 to 1 that Thomas Jones starts at RB in Chicago in 2006 more times than anyone named Chris Benson.

Chris Benson - wasn't he related to that housekeeper...no...wait, Benson was his first name...nevermind.

 
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DoubleG said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Nigel Tufnel said:
RKMoney said:
I am very confident that once again, TJ will be THE MAN in Chicago. I'll even go further out and say Chris Benson will continue to be a bust. Never sold on him even when he played at UT.
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Yeah, his numbers were pretty unconvincing at Texas.
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I loved Chris Benson at Texas!
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Damn! I'm too slow. I'll take 1,000,000,000 to 1 that Thomas Jones starts at RB in Chicago in 2006 more times than anyone named Chris Benson.
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I'll put 2 or 3 bucks on that
 
Since Cedric is not even healthy at this point, TJ will be the opening day starter. His performance on the field will judge if Benson has a shot to steal the job. If TJ is playing like he has for the last couple of season's he'll remain the starter. If he struggles, well Cedric will have his chance to show he's not a bust.

For now TJ is the man.

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not that anyone cares, but i own TJ in one money league, and Cedric in the other. :shrug:

 
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broncofan13000 said:
Since Cedric is not even healthy at this point, TJ will be the opening day starter. His performance on the field will judge if Benson has a shot to steal the job. If TJ is playing like he has for the last couple of season's he'll remain the starter. If he struggles, well Cedric will have his chance to show he's not a bust.For now TJ is the man.
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I believe Chicago plays Green Bay in week one. Enough said!!
 
broncofan13000 said:
Since Cedric is not even healthy at this point, TJ will be the opening day starter.
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LINK?It was thought that Benson might play Thursday night in the final preseason game (8/31), but it makes sense to hold him out of a meaningless game in which very few of the starters typically play. Now, he gets an extra ten days of rest for the shoulder before the opener on 9/10. If he can handle a full practice load in the week leading up to the first game, I see no reason why he won't at least share duty with Jones.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
broncofan13000 said:
Since Cedric is not even healthy at this point, TJ will be the opening day starter.
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LINK?It was thought that Benson might play Thursday night in the final preseason game (8/31), but it makes sense to hold him out of a meaningless game in which very few of the starters typically play. Now, he gets an extra ten days of rest for the shoulder before the opener on 9/10. If he can handle a full practice load in the week leading up to the first game, I see no reason why he won't at least share duty with Jones.
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i read somewhere that he would be listed as doubtful for this weeks game. I have to get back to work, but i can find the link at break. (think it was from yahoo)
 
DoubleG said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Nigel Tufnel said:
RKMoney said:
I am very confident that once again, TJ will be THE MAN in Chicago. I'll even go further out and say Chris Benson will continue to be a bust. Never sold on him even when he played at UT.
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Yeah, his numbers were pretty unconvincing at Texas.
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I loved Chris Benson at Texas!
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Damn! I'm too slow. I'll take 1,000,000,000 to 1 that Thomas Jones starts at RB in Chicago in 2006 more times than anyone named Chris Benson.

Chris Benson - wasn't he related to that housekeeper...no...wait, Benson was his first name...nevermind.
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I remember Benson being on the cover of ESPN magazine before the draft and people had question marks about his attitude as if that was some sort of shocking news.
 
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For the people who strictly go by numbers from college and think that's impressive, I've got two words for you:

Andre

Ware

 
I have both this year, so my ONLY fear is a RBBC (decent chance). Higher upside and better back right now? Thomas Jones, for sure. I hope the Bears play Jones primarily and don't give too much time to Benson unless it makes sense - let the Chicago Bears franchise management that drafted him deal with the potential bad decision.

This is similar to the Grossman vs Griese situation. All of us in Chicago are crying for Griese because right now, he is HANDS DOWN better, and we care about right now. The Bears have lots of puzzle pieces in place - I hope they stick with Jones and move to Griese so that we can make some noise this year... screw the youth movement - the Bears are NOT in a rebuilding year!

 
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Bears | Benson not cleared to practice fully

Published Tue Aug 29 5:06:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Larry Mayer, of ChicagoBears.com, reports Chicago Bears RB Cedric Benson (shoulder) is feeling better, but it doesn't appear that he will be cleared to practice without restrictions this week. "I don't think he'll be full-go," head coach Lovie Smith said after Sunday's workout, Aug. 27, at Halas Hall. "I don't know exactly when he'll be back. I know he's making progress, but he's not there yet." Asked if Benson definitely would do more in practice this week than he did when he returned last week, Smith said: "I wouldn't say definitely. I just know that he's making progress." It does not appear Benson will play in the team's finale Thursday, Aug. 31.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
broncofan13000 said:
Since Cedric is not even healthy at this point, TJ will be the opening day starter.
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LINK?It was thought that Benson might play Thursday night in the final preseason game (8/31), but it makes sense to hold him out of a meaningless game in which very few of the starters typically play. Now, he gets an extra ten days of rest for the shoulder before the opener on 9/10. If he can handle a full practice load in the week leading up to the first game, I see no reason why he won't at least share duty with Jones.
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Just where did you take Benson?? :lmao: Since you seem to be fighting the signs TJ will be the starter.
Cedric Benson is expected to miss Thursday's preseason game.There's no sense risking injury in the final meangingless preseason game. "I don't know exactly when he'll be back. He's making progress, but he's not there yet," coach Love Smith. It's uncertain who will start Chicago's opener, but Thomas Jones looks like the slight favorite.
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Couple of interesting tidbits here:

Ask David Haugh - The Tribune's Bears writer answers reader questions

Are the pre-season injuries to Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson affecting their play?

Benson's shoulder injury hindered his progress or else he probably would have carried more than 21 times in the first two games, and possibly opened the season as the starter, but he looked healthy bowling over Boss Bailey last Sunday. Jones looks the same as he did last year but has been limited because teams simply have committed themselves to stopping the Bears' running game. The more downfield plays Rex Grossman makes to either Bernard Berrian or Muhsin Muhammad, the more dangerous Jones will become as he gets back into the rhythm with his offensive line. He did miss a significant part of training camp, which might account for part of the slow start, but the below-average numbers probably have more to do with the way defenses have attacked the Bears with eight players "in the box,'' more often than not.

In my opinion, it seems like the fans and, more importantly, the players all feel that Thomas Jones is the best running back on the Bears. That being said, what are the chances of him signing an extension and the Bears trading Cedric Benson?

If there was a running back to be dealt, the Bears would have traded one in the off-season when teams called about Jones. But they need him this season until Benson proves he can stay healthy and become a more well-rounded NFL back. Next year, obviously, the dynamic likely changes no matter what Jones' production level is this season. Benson will be entering Year 3 and still could be looking for that breakout season his $16 million bonus portended while Jones will be 28 –- middle-aged as far as NFL running backs go. Unless something unforeseen occurs this season that indicates Benson is a high-maintenance bust, Benson is about as untouchable for potential trade partners as any offensive player on the roster.
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Thomas Jones just seems to go down much easier than benson. These little ankle tackles that Jones can't break drives me nuts. Haven't seen a lot of benson, but he seems to be able to shed more tacklers than Jones. As for the pass blocking. Did you see jones week 1? He whiffed on multiple blitzers. He had a terrible game pass blocking. IMO the bears are just looking for the right opportunity to start benson without pissin off some of the players.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Couple of interesting tidbits here:

Ask David Haugh - The Tribune's Bears writer answers reader questions

Are the pre-season injuries to Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson affecting their play?

Benson's shoulder injury hindered his progress or else he probably would have carried more than 21 times in the first two games, and possibly opened the season as the starter, but he looked healthy bowling over Boss Bailey last Sunday. Jones looks the same as he did last year but has been limited because teams simply have committed themselves to stopping the Bears' running game. The more downfield plays Rex Grossman makes to either Bernard Berrian or Muhsin Muhammad, the more dangerous Jones will become as he gets back into the rhythm with his offensive line. He did miss a significant part of training camp, which might account for part of the slow start, but the below-average numbers probably have more to do with the way defenses have attacked the Bears with eight players "in the box,'' more often than not.

In my opinion, it seems like the fans and, more importantly, the players all feel that Thomas Jones is the best running back on the Bears. That being said, what are the chances of him signing an extension and the Bears trading Cedric Benson?

If there was a running back to be dealt, the Bears would have traded one in the off-season when teams called about Jones. But they need him this season until Benson proves he can stay healthy and become a more well-rounded NFL back. Next year, obviously, the dynamic likely changes no matter what Jones' production level is this season. Benson will be entering Year 3 and still could be looking for that breakout season his $16 million bonus portended while Jones will be 28 –- middle-aged as far as NFL running backs go. Unless something unforeseen occurs this season that indicates Benson is a high-maintenance bust, Benson is about as untouchable for potential trade partners as any offensive player on the roster.
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That is interesting.
 
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he whiffed on multiple blitzes?????????

i was at the game. we barely got anywhere near Grossman all day long. one of the laments here in GB was about our AWFUL pass rush.

 
mr. furley said:
:confused:he whiffed on multiple blitzes?????????i was at the game. we barely got anywhere near Grossman all day long. one of the laments here in GB was about our AWFUL pass rush.
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TJ whiffed on one. Seem to remember he did on another as well. Didn't get Rex killed and the Bears won, that's all that matters to me :) . TJ's one of the best RB's in protection in the game, everyone is going to make a mistake at some time or another however.
 
Your Mom said:
Thomas Jones just seems to go down much easier than benson. These little ankle tackles that Jones can't break drives me nuts. Haven't seen a lot of benson, but he seems to be able to shed more tacklers than Jones. As for the pass blocking. Did you see jones week 1? He whiffed on multiple blitzers. He had a terrible game pass blocking. IMO the bears are just looking for the right opportunity to start benson without pissin off some of the players.
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BENSON-OWNER ALERT! BENSON-OWNER ALERT! BENSON-OWNER ALERT!
 
Your Mom said:
Thomas Jones just seems to go down much easier than benson. These little ankle tackles that Jones can't break drives me nuts. Haven't seen a lot of benson, but he seems to be able to shed more tacklers than Jones. As for the pass blocking. Did you see jones week 1? He whiffed on multiple blitzers. He had a terrible game pass blocking. IMO the bears are just looking for the right opportunity to start benson without pissin off some of the players.
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Pissed off Benson owner :rolleyes:
 
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Your Mom said:
Thomas Jones just seems to go down much easier than benson. These little ankle tackles that Jones can't break drives me nuts. Haven't seen a lot of benson, but he seems to be able to shed more tacklers than Jones. As for the pass blocking. Did you see jones week 1? He whiffed on multiple blitzers. He had a terrible game pass blocking. IMO the bears are just looking for the right opportunity to start benson without pissin off some of the players.
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Get off the crazy pills!I do agree that the Bears WILL start Benson at some point and are just looking for an opportunity to do so. You all saw how Grossman was worked into the starting job despite the playoffs looming in the horizon and Rex having not played much the previous 2 seasons.As a TJones owner I can say...f*** Cedric Benson. :)
 
Jagerbomber said:
Your Mom said:
Thomas Jones just seems to go down much easier than benson. These little ankle tackles that Jones can't break drives me nuts. Haven't seen a lot of benson, but he seems to be able to shed more tacklers than Jones. As for the pass blocking. Did you see jones week 1? He whiffed on multiple blitzers. He had a terrible game pass blocking. IMO the bears are just looking for the right opportunity to start benson without pissin off some of the players.
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Get off the crazy pills!I do agree that the Bears WILL start Benson at some point and are just looking for an opportunity to do so. You all saw how Grossman was worked into the starting job despite the playoffs looming in the horizon and Rex having not played much the previous 2 seasons.As a TJones owner I can say...f*** Cedric Benson. :)
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I agree. I found that post laugh. Jones will start picking it up as soon as teams realize Grossman is the real McCoy and the Bears have a legitimate passing attack. Benson has been even more unimpressive in mop up duty in the Bears first 2 wins. Get over it Benson owners. Thomas Jones is the Bears starter this season, and unless he really goes south he will remain so all the way through the post season and probably on their way to the Super Bowl. I am not a Bears fan, but it is clear to me they are the best team in the NFC right now and will only get better as the weather gets nasty. I do believe Benson is a good runner but not the all around back (as of yet) that Thomas Jones has proven to be since his arrival with the Bears. Jones is a veteran leader on this offense and is a major part of there goal to a championship. 10 carries for 25 yards is not going to take anyones job any time soon
 
I too feel that it is inevitable that Benson takes over for Thomas Jones as the starter. The tough part to answer is when? It may be this season, it may be next season. I own both of these guys on different teams so looking at it as an owner of both on different teams I still feel there is a strong possibility that Benson takes over later this season. If this happens I think Benson could be huge since he could become the starter later of the season without having taken a beating for a full season. Anybody think part of Larry Johnson's huge run last year was helped at least somewhat by not having to carry the full burdon of carries at the start of the year? I think that helped him some. In my leagues I would be trying to add Benson if he is reasonably cheap right now.

 
Warhogs said:
I too feel that it is inevitable that Benson takes over for Thomas Jones as the starter. The tough part to answer is when? It may be this season, it may be next season. I own both of these guys on different teams so looking at it as an owner of both on different teams I still feel there is a strong possibility that Benson takes over later this season. If this happens I think Benson could be huge since he could become the starter later of the season without having taken a beating for a full season. Anybody think part of Larry Johnson's huge run last year was helped at least somewhat by not having to carry the full burdon of carries at the start of the year? I think that helped him some. In my leagues I would be trying to add Benson if he is reasonably cheap right now.
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Bears are 2-0 and probably looking like the strongest team in the NFC. No reason for a change. Lovie Smith is playing real football here, not fantasy. Why take out a veteran leader and disrupt chemistry?
 
Warhogs said:
I too feel that it is inevitable that Benson takes over for Thomas Jones as the starter. The tough part to answer is when? It may be this season, it may be next season. I own both of these guys on different teams so looking at it as an owner of both on different teams I still feel there is a strong possibility that Benson takes over later this season. If this happens I think Benson could be huge since he could become the starter later of the season without having taken a beating for a full season. Anybody think part of Larry Johnson's huge run last year was helped at least somewhat by not having to carry the full burdon of carries at the start of the year? I think that helped him some. In my leagues I would be trying to add Benson if he is reasonably cheap right now.
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I don't think anyone has a crystal ball and knows when Benson will take the job. The fact is, it is clear Lovie wants Thomas Jones in there right now, and as long as he produces he will not sit him. If the Bears keep winning and it sure looks like they will win at least 12 games this year, Benson will not crack the starting lineup. I do see Benson getting in a good 7-10 carries a game. He is a battering ram and will be a great assest to run clock as teams are worn out in the 4th quarter. But the meaningful money carries are going to TJ until he either get's hurt or goes in the tank. The later will in all likleyhood not happen. As for injury, we know he has missed time every year, but that is also no gurantee.
 
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LivingTheDream said:
Bears are 2-0 and probably looking like the strongest team in the NFC. No reason for a change. Lovie Smith is playing real football here, not fantasy. Why take out a veteran leader and disrupt chemistry?
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I tried to make this argument all offseason but the Benson owners and others absolutely jumped all over me.Consider it fact: Thomas Jones will not lose this job as long as (1) he is productive and (2) the Bears are winning. Unless and until he is hurt, or bad, or they start losing, he will be the starter.
 
Otis said:
LivingTheDream said:
Bears are 2-0 and probably looking like the strongest team in the NFC. No reason for a change. Lovie Smith is playing real football here, not fantasy. Why take out a veteran leader and disrupt chemistry?
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I tried to make this argument all offseason but the Benson owners and others absolutely jumped all over me.Consider it fact: Thomas Jones will not lose this job as long as (1) he is productive and (2) the Bears are winning. Unless and until he is hurt, or bad, or they start losing, he will be the starter.
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Yep. And it doesn't help Benson that he is not liked/respected in the locker room...I'd like to see T Jones put up a big game. He really is in a nice spot-great team, great defense, good line
 
Otis said:
LivingTheDream said:
Bears are 2-0 and probably looking like the strongest team in the NFC. No reason for a change. Lovie Smith is playing real football here, not fantasy. Why take out a veteran leader and disrupt chemistry?
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I tried to make this argument all offseason but the Benson owners and others absolutely jumped all over me.Consider it fact: Thomas Jones will not lose this job as long as (1) he is productive and (2) the Bears are winning. Unless and until he is hurt, or bad, or they start losing, he will be the starter.
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Exactly. Benson owners over at Antsports ( my home) were laughing at me last year when I drafted TJ in a few dynasty leagues( and again this year I grabbed him in a new dyansty draft at 6.10) and this year when I stood my ground about TJ being the "man" in the Windy city. I traded for Benson in one of my dynasty leagues that I have TJ. So I am not anti Benson. But reality is reality. And yes sometimes teams draft guy's , pay them a ton of money, and they never pan out, or they wait for their turn ala Larry Johnson

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Couple of interesting tidbits here:

Ask David Haugh - The Tribune's Bears writer answers reader questions

Are the pre-season injuries to Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson affecting their play?

Benson's shoulder injury hindered his progress or else he probably would have carried more than 21 times in the first two games, and possibly opened the season as the starter, but he looked healthy bowling over Boss Bailey last Sunday. Jones looks the same as he did last year but has been limited because teams simply have committed themselves to stopping the Bears' running game. The more downfield plays Rex Grossman makes to either Bernard Berrian or Muhsin Muhammad, the more dangerous Jones will become as he gets back into the rhythm with his offensive line. He did miss a significant part of training camp, which might account for part of the slow start, but the below-average numbers probably have more to do with the way defenses have attacked the Bears with eight players "in the box,'' more often than not.

In my opinion, it seems like the fans and, more importantly, the players all feel that Thomas Jones is the best running back on the Bears. That being said, what are the chances of him signing an extension and the Bears trading Cedric Benson?

If there was a running back to be dealt, the Bears would have traded one in the off-season when teams called about Jones. But they need him this season until Benson proves he can stay healthy and become a more well-rounded NFL back. Next year, obviously, the dynamic likely changes no matter what Jones' production level is this season. Benson will be entering Year 3 and still could be looking for that breakout season his $16 million bonus portended while Jones will be 28 –- middle-aged as far as NFL running backs go. Unless something unforeseen occurs this season that indicates Benson is a high-maintenance bust, Benson is about as untouchable for potential trade partners as any offensive player on the roster.
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So RN, do you still think my projection of Thomas Jones getting around 300 carries and Benson getting 150 are that far off?
 
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