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Thomas Jones to be dealt? (1 Viewer)

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Got this from rotoworld:

The National Football Post reports that the Jets are "gauging interest" in Thomas Jones and have placed a call to an NFC West club.

The team was probably Seattle, although St. Louis could use an upgrade at backup tailback. Jones is coming off his first career Pro Bowl berth and a 1,312-yard, 13-touchdown season, but has been upset with his contract and turns 31 in a week. He'd probably only cost a fourth-round pick. The Jets would use a 1-2 punch of Leon Washington and rookie Shonn Greene if they move him.

What do you all think?

 
Only play in PPR leagues.

I think his value regardless where he plays will fall off a cliff this year. I wouldn't take him before someone like McGahee. I think Leon finishes in the top 20 in PPR leagues whether Jones is there or not.

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Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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:goodposting: Makes little sense for the Jets to move Jones, especially for a 4th. The "National Football Post"? Is this some guy in his basement who drafted Shon Greene?
 
Rovers said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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:goodposting: Makes little sense for the Jets to move Jones, especially for a 4th. The "National Football Post"? Is this some guy in his basement who drafted Shon Greene?
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NFP is run by former league insiders, including Michael Lombardi, who worked in the league in high executive positions for 23 years. Biggs, the reporter on this one, is a beat writer for the Chicago Sun Times covering the Bears. He is definitely not some guy in his basement.
 
If the Jets truly believe Greene is ready to play, why WOULDN'T they see what they could get for Jones?

 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Rovers said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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:thumbup: Makes little sense for the Jets to move Jones, especially for a 4th. The "National Football Post"? Is this some guy in his basement who drafted Shon Greene?
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NFP is run by former league insiders, including Michael Lombardi, who worked in the league in high executive positions for 23 years. Biggs, the reporter on this one, is a beat writer for the Chicago Sun Times covering the Bears. He is definitely not some guy in his basement.
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Well, that shut me up! :football: I am concussed! Still, call me more than extremely skeptical. Trade the AFC's leading rusher from 2008 with an advertised run oriented offense and turn all of that over to a rookie and Leon? A rookie who will share the backfield with either a rookie QB or an inexperienced 3rd year player at QB? Maybe the Jets are in the M Vick sweepstakes....PS: Maybe he was in his basement... :sarcasm:
 
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Knobs said:
If the Jets truly believe Greene is ready to play, why WOULDN'T they see what they could get for Jones?
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How is Jones in the locker room? How would Jones react to a reduced role? He's always had a big ego, both on the field and in the locker room.
 
millertyme1 said:
Only play in PPR leagues.I think his value regardless where he plays will fall off a cliff this year. I wouldn't take him before someone like McGahee. I think Leon finishes in the top 20 in PPR leagues whether Jones is there or not. :lmao:
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McGahee ?McGahee is borderline undraftable imo. I've never been a big Thomas Jones guy, but I think his value is quite a bit higher than that of McGahee.
 
I have to agree with some of the previous posts - dealing him for a 4th or Branch doesn't make sense. Maybe a 4th and Branch, but I don't think that would make sense for Seattle - 2 brothers competing for the same job? Not sure if that would work out very well...

 
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Depends on how the Jets view themselves. If they don't think they are likely to be real contenders then grabbing a 4th rounder for a RB who won't be on your team next year when you have 2 capable backups makes a lot of sense. It also depends on how much they think their o-line bumped TJs production. He was a solid, but unspectacular RB, in his career until last year. IMO the trade would make a lot of sense for both Seattle and for the Jets since a 9-7 team could well win the division in the West and Seattle's RBs are inferior to TJ while the Jets would take a small hit considering their depth, see how much of a work load Leon can handle and get their rook in the game earlier.
 
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Depends on how the Jets view themselves. If they don't think they are likely to be real contenders then grabbing a 4th rounder for a RB who won't be on your team next year when you have 2 capable backups makes a lot of sense. It also depends on how much they think their o-line bumped TJs production. He was a solid, but unspectacular RB, in his career until last year. IMO the trade would make a lot of sense for both Seattle and for the Jets since a 9-7 team could well win the division in the West and Seattle's RBs are inferior to TJ while the Jets would take a small hit considering their depth, see how much of a work load Leon can handle and get their rook in the game earlier.
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Do you think the Jets view themselves as not likely to be real contenders?
 
Wherever he goes, I doubt it will be a diminished role considering his contract. Seattle would make some sense but the jones brothers thing is kinda weird.

 
Chase Stuart said:
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Depends on how the Jets view themselves. If they don't think they are likely to be real contenders then grabbing a 4th rounder for a RB who won't be on your team next year when you have 2 capable backups makes a lot of sense. It also depends on how much they think their o-line bumped TJs production. He was a solid, but unspectacular RB, in his career until last year. IMO the trade would make a lot of sense for both Seattle and for the Jets since a 9-7 team could well win the division in the West and Seattle's RBs are inferior to TJ while the Jets would take a small hit considering their depth, see how much of a work load Leon can handle and get their rook in the game earlier.
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Do you think the Jets view themselves as not likely to be real contenders?
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Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
 
baconisgood said:
Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
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I think it's the exact opposite. The Jets would love nothing more than to hand the ball of 550 times this year, and they have the personnel to do that. Look at teams like the Giants and Ravens -- you need three backs. And Jones is the Jets most complete back.I'd be shocked if the Jets made a trade for just a 4th rounder and/or Deion Branch.
 
Chase Stuart said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Agreed, although maybe they just want to get something for him while they can?
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They'll probably get a compensation pick in that range for him when he walks, anyway.
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Very true. Didn't think of that. Maybe 4th and Branch, as others have said? I did read recently that no one is stepping up as the WR2. And I also saw that Butler is impressing as Branch's eventual replacement.
 
Chase Stuart said:
baconisgood said:
Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
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I think it's the exact opposite. The Jets would love nothing more than to hand the ball of 550 times this year, and they have the personnel to do that. Look at teams like the Giants and Ravens -- you need three backs. And Jones is the Jets most complete back.I'd be shocked if the Jets made a trade for just a 4th rounder and/or Deion Branch.
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:goodposting:The Jets have nothing to gain by adding Deion Branch. Their receiving options are 1. Cotchery 2. Keller 3. Washington 4. The Stuckey/Wright/Clowney/Smith Pu-Pu Platter. I don't see how Deion Branch improves that enough to be worth the hit the running game will take if it's only Washington and Greene. I will be seriously ticked off if they trade Jones for even a 4th AND Deion Branch.
 
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Look at teams like the Giants and Ravens -- you need three backs.
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Bradshaw had 72 touches last year with Jacobs missing 3 games, and he and Droughnes had 130 combined touches with Jcaobs missing 5 games and Ward missing 8 games in 2007. They hardly need 3 starting quality RBs on a year to year basis, they keep their stable full so that when a guy walks- as Tiki did in 2006 and Ward did last year- they know who they have and can move on. You will also note that these players were not 1st day picks, Jacobs and Andre Brown were 4th round pics, Ward and bradshaw 7th, and Ware undrafted. They don't spend their 3rd round picks on RB depth.
 
While I am not a fan of Branch, I think he could be more successful again as a WR2. Branch also has a few more years left in the league than Thomas Jones so a deal like this could make sense from both sides. That said I think the Jets are the big loser in a trade like this.

 
GreenMachine51 said:
Chase Stuart said:
baconisgood said:
Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
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I think it's the exact opposite. The Jets would love nothing more than to hand the ball of 550 times this year, and they have the personnel to do that. Look at teams like the Giants and Ravens -- you need three backs. And Jones is the Jets most complete back.I'd be shocked if the Jets made a trade for just a 4th rounder and/or Deion Branch.
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:thumbup:The Jets have nothing to gain by adding Deion Branch. Their receiving options are 1. Cotchery 2. Keller 3. Washington 4. The Stuckey/Wright/Clowney/Smith Pu-Pu Platter. I don't see how Deion Branch improves that enough to be worth the hit the running game will take if it's only Washington and Greene. I will be seriously ticked off if they trade Jones for even a 4th AND Deion Branch.
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Meh...I'd be fine with Branch AND a 4th for Jones. It was just a couple of years ago that Martin had a similar spike in his stats in his early 30s, only for it to be the last gasp in his career. We also are an injury away from having a Stuckey/Clowney combo as the starting WRs with Clemens/Sanchez hurling the ball to them...you could literally go "9 in the box" against that if you are an opposing Defense.I find the Branch obsession interesting, since it was former coach Mangini who wanted to bring Branch over from NE before he went to the Hawks; and now he may go to NY the year after Mangini is ousted.
 
Put yourself in another GM's shoes...why would you give anything for Thomas Jones? Ok, a late day 2 pick, fine, but any more than that...why?

 
MAC_32 said:
Put yourself in another GM's shoes...why would you give anything for Thomas Jones? Ok, a late day 2 pick, fine, but any more than that...why?
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Because Julius Jones is your starting RB.It is a puzzling move though. If the Hawks weren't happy with Julius then they could've done something about it sooner.
 
Yenrub said:
NY Jets not shopping RB Thomas Jones

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NY Jets not shopping RB Thomas Jonesby Dave Hutchinson/The Star-Ledger

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 9:38 PM

William Perlman/The Star-Ledger

Jets running back Thomas Jones will stay put with Jets.A rumor on nationalfootballpost.com that the Jets are shopping veteran running back Thomas Jones to an NFC West team is not true, according to a person with knowledge of the club's plans. That person spoke on the condition of anonymity because he's not authorized to speak on the matter publicly.

Jones, the defending AFC rushing champ, is unhappy with his contract and missed most of the team's offseason workouts. He's scheduled to earn $900,000 this season in the third year of a four-year, $20 million contract.

The stellar play of rookie Shonn Greene in training camp thus far could make Jones expendable, but the Jets are standing pat right now with the trio of Jones, Greene and Leon Washington.

With the Jets apparently ready to reward Washington with a new contract, there are concerns Jones could become a problem. He reported to camp on time and has refused to address his contract.

:thumbup: Sorry, but from the get-go, this sounded like a PFT wanna-be report. Still sounds like a guy typing in his basement to me.

 
One thing that many people seem to be ignoring is that Greene is already limited with an ankle injury. He's been said to be impressing, but also hasn't been fully healthy yet.

I don't see the Jets moving Jones this year, but ESPECIALLY not with Greene not being fully healthy already and unproven, and in an offense that wants to run the ball. (And lest you forget, before Favre was brought in, we added the OL pieces to be a power run team).

 
EBF said:
MAC_32 said:
Put yourself in another GM's shoes...why would you give anything for Thomas Jones? Ok, a late day 2 pick, fine, but any more than that...why?
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Because Julius Jones is your starting RB.It is a puzzling move though. If the Hawks weren't happy with Julius then they could've done something about it sooner.
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That's my thinking. They know what they have in Julia and they knew before this offseason. I think he sucks and he's soft but they believed in him enough to not address the RB situation this offseason so why would they try to fix it now? after camp starts?
 
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Depends on how the Jets view themselves. If they don't think they are likely to be real contenders then grabbing a 4th rounder for a RB who won't be on your team next year when you have 2 capable backups makes a lot of sense. It also depends on how much they think their o-line bumped TJs production. He was a solid, but unspectacular RB, in his career until last year. IMO the trade would make a lot of sense for both Seattle and for the Jets since a 9-7 team could well win the division in the West and Seattle's RBs are inferior to TJ while the Jets would take a small hit considering their depth, see how much of a work load Leon can handle and get their rook in the game earlier.
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Do you think the Jets view themselves as not likely to be real contenders?
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Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
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With the way the NFL works, and with its crazy parity, I would think teams would be over this by now. I could see if we were talking about an early 1st rounder or an elite young prospect here, but giving away established guys for chump change because you feel that, in a league where awful teams become great overnight, that your team won't be competing.Miami sure could have used Jason Taylor last year...
 
FreeBaGeL said:
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
baconisgood said:
Chase Stuart said:
Can't see why the Jets would want to move Jones for a 4th round pick. While the Jets have good depth, they want to use three RBs, and Jones is still the team's best rusher.
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Depends on how the Jets view themselves. If they don't think they are likely to be real contenders then grabbing a 4th rounder for a RB who won't be on your team next year when you have 2 capable backups makes a lot of sense. It also depends on how much they think their o-line bumped TJs production. He was a solid, but unspectacular RB, in his career until last year. IMO the trade would make a lot of sense for both Seattle and for the Jets since a 9-7 team could well win the division in the West and Seattle's RBs are inferior to TJ while the Jets would take a small hit considering their depth, see how much of a work load Leon can handle and get their rook in the game earlier.
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Do you think the Jets view themselves as not likely to be real contenders?
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Put it this way- the Jets being contenders relies most heavily on what kind of play they get out of their QB, a small or even modest drop in their RB play probably won't take them from contender to non contender status. If they don't view themselves as contenders they should snap call a 4th rounder for TJ, but even if they do their RB situation probably won't be crucial to them barring injuries.
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With the way the NFL works, and with its crazy parity, I would think teams would be over this by now. I could see if we were talking about an early 1st rounder or an elite young prospect here, but giving away established guys for chump change because you feel that, in a league where awful teams become great overnight, that your team won't be competing.

Miami sure could have used Jason Taylor last year...
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And the SKins could have uses a 2nd rounder this year :lmao:
 
I am a T. Jones fan and think that these boards often (invariably at this point in the season) have a bias against age and toward rookies.

Although I own Greene in a couple of leagues, it is money that prevents Jones from getting another contract, not relative talent.

 
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Gun to my head, yeah, I'd have to say the report is true (as far as the Jets inquiring about moving Jones). Doesn't mean it'll happen, but I believe it would likely be a good move. Shonn Greene could be a monster in that offense (even in his rookie season) if Jones is out of the way, & at this point in TJ's career, Greene just might be a better pure runner.

 
baconisgood said:
Look at teams like the Giants and Ravens -- you need three backs.
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Bradshaw had 72 touches last year with Jacobs missing 3 games, and he and Droughnes had 130 combined touches with Jcaobs missing 5 games and Ward missing 8 games in 2007. They hardly need 3 starting quality RBs on a year to year basis, they keep their stable full so that when a guy walks- as Tiki did in 2006 and Ward did last year- they know who they have and can move on. You will also note that these players were not 1st day picks, Jacobs and Andre Brown were 4th round pics, Ward and bradshaw 7th, and Ware undrafted. They don't spend their 3rd round picks on RB depth.
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new HC RRyan just saw what a stout-D, strong run game w/offense being guided by rookie QB can dodon't be suprised if you see the exact same thing w/the Jets this yearand to do this, you need Thomas Jones...I don't see him going anywhereand BTW...whoever suggested the Jets aren't going anywhere this year---don't utter that around Rex...he'll want to fight you! :shock:
 
Football Jones said:
Gun to my head, yeah, I'd have to say the report is true (as far as the Jets inquiring about moving Jones). Doesn't mean it'll happen, but I believe it would likely be a good move. Shonn Greene could be a monster in that offense (even in his rookie season) if Jones is out of the way, & at this point in TJ's career, Greene just might be a better pure runner.
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The rookie bias in the Shark Pool never ceases to amaze me. What about Thomas Jones suggest that Greene is a better runner? TJ may be turning 31, but he also is a workout warrior, in great shape, and has relatively little tread on the tires. (E.g., 900 career carries less than LT2 in one more year, etc). More importantly, he's coming off his best year statistically and - if you watched games last year - looked pretty good doing it. He was running hard, getting tough yards, and - as a Jets fan - there were games where it was maddening when I saw him only get... 10-15 carries when he should have gotten 25. For a dude who had 1500+ total yards and 15 total TDs (at 4.5 YPC) and was IMO underutilized, Jones gets NO respect.

Meanwhile, Greene has done almost nothing, is limited by an ankle injury, and we haven't seen him against any real NFL competition. Believe me, as both a Jets fan and owner of Greene in a couple of leagues, I would LOVE for him to be a beast - but to say he might be a better pure runner? Based on what?

In fact, to me, he looks like a less complete back than Jones. If the offense is better without Jones, I personally think that would be the result of an increased role/workload for Leon not because of Greene being a better back than TJ.

(And please don't bring up the "he's a third round pick" / pedigree argument - Jones was a #7 overall pick..)

 
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Jones, at his age, won't fetch too much in return. Nothing wrong with sending a feeler out there quietly. We probably wouldn't have known of this normally.(Thanks to Mike) I figure the Jets just wanted to see what he'd fetch in trade. The older players can seem old during camp.

I think Reid said he has been with Westbrook 11-12 years yesterday to Mort. That's gotta seem like forever. It sure seems like a long time since Jones was on Arizona. If those long time thoughts are accompanied with some grunts and groans when a vet's getting up off the grass.....yeah I could see sending out a feeler. Actually trading him is a whole 'nother thing though.

Also, I doubt Mora wants to deal with two brothers fighting for playing time. Is their mother coming on to be an asst. coach? cmon

 
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BS.

I would be shocked if they dealt their offensive leader. Jones is the heart and soul of this offense right now. Yeah he is 31....but he will protect Sanchez better than an undersized scat back ( Washington is a heck of back but let's not fool ourselves). Shonne Green? Kid is plodder and in my mind over valued. Hey maybe it will work like Thunder and Lightning.

But to deal Jones going into their new franchise's QB first year is dumb IMO.

 
Todem said:
BS.

I would be shocked if they dealt their offensive leader. Jones is the heart and soul of this offense right now. Yeah he is 31....but he will protect Sanchez better than an undersized scat back ( Washington is a heck of back but let's not fool ourselves). Shonne Green? Kid is plodder and in my mind over valued. Hey maybe it will work like Thunder and Lightning.

But to deal Jones going into their new franchise's QB first year is dumb IMO.
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Exactly. Jones is worth much more to the Jets than what he would EVER fetch on the market.
 
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