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Thomas Jones with Benson in rear view mirror (1 Viewer)

I've been at my daughter's (cheerleading) game this afternoon...While listening to the radio broadcast, they said TJ had all the carries, but I know that Adrian Peterson came in for him once or twice.So I guess TJ should aim his rear view mirror down a bit to see the bench. ;)

 
So I guess TJ should aim his rear view mirror down a bit to see the bench. ;)
:excited: Well said!Time to get Benson a Snickers bar... he'll be right where he's at for a while now. I hear he's running for mayor of Pine City.

Jones owners: :pickle:

Benson owners: :nerd:

 
I just checked out the game book, and Benson WAS active.Jeff Blake, Cedric Benson and Qasim Mitchell did not play.Inactive: Grossman, Kittner, Holly, Thompson, McGowan, Odom, Idonije and St. Clair (aka the human turnstyle)

 
Couldn't respond to my last post huh?  Gee, I wonder why?
Don't flatter yourself bud, I'm not going to bother responding to a post that didn't really say anything. I mean, you quoted me saying that Atrain still got some carries after TJ came back and somehow extrapolated that to me saying that Atrain got more carries than TJ.
Couldn't respond to my last post huh?  Gee, I wonder why?
You act as if hes gotten 300 carries every year and just couldnt muster 1000 yards.  Sorry, thats not the case.  The fact that he managed to get within 50 yards in only 13 starts last year with the worst trio of QBs in the league, one of the worst OLs in the league,  and the worst WRs in the league should be considered an impressive feat.  Of course, your MO is to simply look at the year end totals, ignore ypc and everything else meaningful and make rash decisions.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's always a new excuse for Jones. He wasn't given the opportunity. He got hurt. He was in a bad situation. It's one of them every year, if not some combination of them. If it happens once, ok I'll buy it. Twice, ok I could see that happening. FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS he just got "screwed" by something totally out of his hands? I'm not buying it. Once you get to 5 years in a row, you've got to start thinking it's more the player than an excessively long record bad luck streak that's just going to disappear this year. And since when is 950 yards in 13 games so great? Atrain went for nearly 300 yards and a pair of TDs in the 3 games he started in the same "horrible situation". And what's with all the ripping on Chicago's O-line last year? They had bigtime QB issues, but their O-line has actually been fairly solid.
Don't keep bringing up Pittman, because he did sort of lose his job to Thomas Jones in Tampa, as has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread.  I don't know why you keep overlooking this.  That's what got him the job in Chicago, not his high draft status.
Why can't we bring up Pittman? He's a perfect example of a guy who is generally looked at as not being very good, yet has put up nearly identical numbers to TJ in the same situations. Ok, so maybe as you said he did "sort of" lose his job to TJ in Tampa after 13 games, well it's about damn time, it only took TJ 4 years to get past the great Pittman. If this was Curtis Martin we're talking about here ok, but how can this guy be so great if his career is constantly being halted by a bad RB that he just can't seem to shake, and whom he puts up nearly identical numbers to in the same situations?Every year for 5 years people have jumped on the TJ bandwagon thinking this would finally be the year where none of the excuses come back up and TJ actually makes for a reliable fantasy RB. 5 years. Now, in the 6th year, he's coming in in perhaps the worst situation he's come into yet (instead of battling the mediocre Michael Pittman, he's now looked at as a placeholder for a highly touted top draft pick that was taken specifically to be the workhorse back in this new offense), yet once again "this is going to be the year".

And after Benson eventually takes over this year, the "he didn't have a fair chance" excuse will come back into action and we'll go through this all over again in year 7 for TJ wherever he ends up.

Anyway, I think I'm done here. I've been through this arguement 6 times now, and I'm sure I'll be due for time #7 when this all crops back up again next year. I may as well mention on my way out that I own TJ in a money redraft league, so there's not hidden agenda here, just the way I really feel about the guy. Looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree here, since I own him, I'll wish you luck on being right, but I certainly am not counting on anything out of him and will deal him for the first good offer that comes my way.
You should be done hear :lmao:
 
Ahem.If Orton didn't throw 5 picks, this could have easily been a 180/3 for Jones. As it was, he still got over 100 and a TD, at over 4ypc, which no one will complain about from a starter.

 
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Week 1 he had 15 carries for 31 yards.

Week 2 he played a terrible defense.

Week 3 he will have a similarly weak game against a good defense.

Week 5 he will be the third-down back.
:goodposting: Ummmm, I think someone forget to tell Lovie and TJ to play along!

Jones looked damn good today. Too bad Orton had a game like that, or Jones could've done even better.

 
I just checked out the game book, and Benson WAS active.

Jeff Blake, Cedric Benson and Qasim Mitchell did not play.

Inactive: Grossman, Kittner, Holly, Thompson, McGowan, Odom, Idonije and St. Clair (aka the human turnstyle)
Wow. It almost would have been better if he was inactive.
 
Thomas Jones is with out a dout in my mind the hart and soul of Chicago as far as fantasy goes. Is it just me or is he the real thing? Say what you want, but he is a legit number two starter in any league!!

 
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Thomas Jones is with out a dout in my mind the hart and soul of Chicago as far as fantasy goes. Is it just me or is he the real thing? Say what yoiu want, but he is a legit number two starter in any league!!
:o He's actually my #1 right now... and I have K. Jones, S. Jackson, Dunn, and Rudi! Can't argue with production.
 
Week 1 he had 15 carries for 31 yards.

Week 2 he played a terrible defense.

Week 3 he will have a similarly weak game against a good defense.

Week 5 he will be the third-down back.
:goodposting: Ummmm, I think someone forget to tell Lovie and TJ to play along!

Jones looked damn good today. Too bad Orton had a game like that, or Jones could've done even better.
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Ahem.

If Orton didn't throw 5 picks, this could have easily been a 180/3 for Jones. As it was, he still got over 100 and a TD, at over 4ypc, which no one will complain about from a starter.
But how long can TJ put up those kinds of numbers if Orton doesn't play a LOT better?
 
950 in 13 games isn't that amazing under normal circumstances, but he averaged 4 ypc during that stretch, which should tell you that he didn't get that many carries. That's actually another thing that sucked about last year's Bears, OC Terry Shea. He was horrible, he didn't know how to call a game, and he tried to make the players fit his scheme rather than scheme for the players he had. This is why he immediately lost his job at the end of the season. Jones was under 20 carries for most games last season, it was ridiculous.

And then of course, you factor in the COMPLETE lack of a passing game for almost the entire season, the fact that the OL sucked, and the fact that the defenses absolutely knew that Thomas Jones was the only player who could hurt them, and you should probably be wondering how he managed 950/9 like he did. If he was half as bad as you think he was, he probably couldn't have cracked 700/5. The entire Bears offense was a complete disaster in 2004, and few RBs in the league could have cracked 1000 in 13 there as TJ almost did.

And now you're talking about A-Train and the OL being good? At this point, it's clear to any Bears homer that you did not watch these games. A-Train almost got 300 yards in 3 games, you're right. Against who? Three of the weakest run D teams (and just bad teams overall) in their schedule, SF, Tennesse, and the Giants. And, what's worse is that he averaged 3.4ypc to slowly accumulate those 280ish yards. Yes, it took him 82 carries to get those yards in 3 games. You're trying to use that to discredit Jones? A-Train did worse against the weakest competition the Bears saw that year.
You're darn right I'm using that to discredit Jones. Here's a little flash in the pan for ya. You're making a point about how impressive 950 yards in 13 starts was in that offense, yet Atrain did just fine in the same offense.In those 3 games Atrain went 82-280, 3.4ypc. In TJ's games after Grossman went down, he went 173-618, 3.5ypc. Similar ypc, higher yardage per game for Atrain. What's Atrain doing now? Oh yeah, he's a backup, same place TJ will end up before the season's out. Another thing you're not factoring in here is that Atrain is a pound it out RB, those RB's always have worse ypc. One thing that Atrain DID do was get a lot of carries when he was in. Was this pure luck, or something more? Didn't the Bears draft Benson because they didn't think TJ could pound the ball 30 times a game. Then it doesn't seem like such a big a coincidence that in Atrains mere 3 starts he had games where he carries 28 and 29 times, yet in TJ's THIRTEEN starts he DIDN'T CARRY THAT MANY TIMES EVEN ONCE (not to mention TJ has never been able to make it even close to going through a season carrying the load without getting hurt). Same O-line. Same QB. Same "situation". 280/2 rushing in 3 games, certainly doesn't make the 618/3 that TJ got in his 10 starts in the same situation look all that good, does it?

And before you go on about SF, NYG, and TEN being the weakest defenses the Bears played all year, have you forgotten what division Chicago is in?!?!? TJ got Minnesota TWICE, Green Bay TWICE, and Detroit TWICE, as well as Houston and Indy. Not exactly Rudi Johnson's schedule there...

But hey, let's keep bringing up schedules. I mean, TJ has certainly shed that this year by going 15-31 against a good run defense, and then putting up good points against two terrible ones. Oh wait.

And once again, I see a post from a TJ owner with 5 paragraphs of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded before. Once, ok. Twice, eh maybe. 5 straight years of just pure bad luck? I'm not buying it. Soon it will be 6 and counting when he "unfairly" gets benched yet again.

Anyway, like I said we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, we've both made our points and we're certainly not going to change each other's mind. Time to just ride this one out and see what happens. I can't believe I've spent this much time arguing over Thomas Jones..

You should be done hear :lmao:
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but judging by the way it was put together (seriously I've seen people mix up there and their, but here and hear?) I'm guessing it wasn't anything too clever.
 
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I had T.Jones but traded him last week after the Detroit game, due to a lot of RB depth and the need to upgrade at WR, but I still think he's a very intriguing option this year. I've been saying for a few years that he's one of the most underrated rb's in the league.

 
I can't believe you guys are creaming over 3.9ypc and a meaningless fourth-quarter TD in a blowout. Well, OK, the Bears are likely to have a lot of garbage time this year, and garbage time still counts, but it's not like it takes talent to roll up rushing stats when you're down by 17 and the defense is playing pass.

 
Ahem.

If Orton didn't throw 5 picks, this could have easily been a 180/3 for Jones.  As it was, he still got over 100 and a TD, at over 4ypc, which no one will complain about from a starter.
But how long can TJ put up those kinds of numbers if Orton doesn't play a LOT better?
What suggests he can't? And, besides, it's pretty highly unlikely that Orton throws 5 picks again this year, especially since the NFC North is full of crappy defenses, and Cincy may be one the best 2 teams Chicago plays all year.
 
I can't believe you guys are creaming over 3.9ypc and a meaningless fourth-quarter TD in a blowout. Well, OK, the Bears are likely to have a lot of garbage time this year, and garbage time still counts, but it's not like it takes talent to roll up rushing stats when you're down by 17 and the defense is playing pass.
Um, ok... TJ had something like 86 yards at halftime... that's not garbage time. Secondly, his td wasn't garbage time. That came early in the 4th and made the score 17-7. Now granted scoring 17 unanswered points in 1 quarter with a QB who threw 5 int's in the game is a tough thing to do, but not impossible. He didn't roll up rushing stats when down 17. I didn't actually get to watch the game, but I imagine the Bengals stacked the box for the run even in the 4th quarter when the Bears had to pass. The chances of Orton completing a pass to a Bears receiver or to a Bengals DB was about 50/50 at that point. Orton didn't play well, but he'll bounce back. He's a talented QB who had a great college career and faltered midway through his senior year. I'm excited about the Bears prospects this year despite the whooping they received today.
 
Creaming? :no: I doubt anyone that owns TJ thinks they for 100% sure have RB1 or 2 locked up, however thru 3 weeks he has preformed as a RB1, so his owners do have to have some optimism as they more then likely drafted him as a RB3 at best and probably a RB4. No matter how you feel about his preformance thus far or how the RB job in CHI will settle, he has far out done his draft position, which is the point people are excited on this thread.

 
You're darn right I'm using that to discredit Jones.  Here's a little flash in the pan for ya.  You're making a point about how impressive 950 yards in 13 starts was in that offense, yet Atrain did just fine in the same offense.

In those 3 games Atrain went 82-280, 3.4ypc.  In TJ's games after Grossman went down, he went 173-618, 3.5ypc.  Similar ypc, higher yardage per game for Atrain.  What's Atrain doing now?  Oh yeah, he's a backup, same place TJ will end up before the season's out.  Another thing you're not factoring in here is that Atrain is a pound it out RB, those RB's always have worse ypc.  One thing that Atrain DID do was get a lot of carries when he was in.  Was this pure luck, or something more?  Didn't the Bears draft Benson because they didn't think TJ could pound the ball 30 times a game.  Then it doesn't seem like such a big a coincidence that in Atrains mere 3 starts he had games where he carries 28 and 29 times, yet in TJ's THIRTEEN starts he DIDN'T CARRY THAT MANY TIMES EVEN ONCE (not to mention TJ has never been able to make it even close to going through a season carrying the load without getting hurt).  Same O-line.  Same QB.  Same "situation".  280/2 rushing in 3 games, certainly doesn't make the 618/3 that TJ got in his 10 starts in the same situation look all that good, does it?
Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. It wasn't the same situation. Comparing TJ's run against tougher teams, both to run against and in general, to A-Train's games against weaker times to run against and just worse over all is foolish and gets you nowhere. The QB, as you say, was not the same. TJ played with Hutch and Quinn almost exclusively, and A-Train played with Krenzel against crap teams. Want a better comparison? Look below. You pretty much handed it to me, except somehow attempted to use this to support your tenuous position. Hilarious.

And before you go on about SF, NYG, and TEN being the weakest defenses the Bears played all year, have you forgotten what division Chicago is in?!?!?  TJ got Minnesota TWICE, Green Bay TWICE, and Detroit TWICE, as well as Houston and Indy.  Not exactly Rudi Johnson's schedule there...
Again, you're bringing up points that don't help your argument at all. You're trying to compare A-Train's games against SF, NYG, and TEN to TJ's games against DET, MIN, and GB? Sure! Let's do it:A-Train: 82 for 280, 3.4ypc, 2 TDs in 3 games vs NYG/SF/TEN (Post-Grossman)

TJ: 129 for 595, 4.6ypc, 6 TDs in 6 games vs DET/MIN/GB

But, let's take out the Grossman games, and see if it's still obvious, ok?

TJ: 63 for 266, 4.2ypc, 2 TDs in 3 games vs DET/MIN/GB (Post-Grossman)

Sure is!

He clearly outperformed A-Train, hands down, and no one who watched those games (as you clearly didn't) could tell you otherwise. You also don't seem to realize that Detroit was #8 in run defense last year, which just makes this counter even worse. At the very least, DET/MIN/GB are comparable to SF/NYG/TEN, but in reality, as a group, they were tougher teams to run against. Your comparison was a very bad one, and the one above is far more accurate.

And who cares that they gave A-Train a few more carries in the games he started? They were ahead in 2 of those late, and ground the 4th quarter away. That certainly is statistically significant! I mean, it's not like the Bears weren't behind and throwing in almost every game TJ played, is it?

But hey, let's keep bringing up schedules.  I mean, TJ has certainly shed that this year by going 15-31 against a good run defense, and then putting up good points against two terrible ones.  Oh wait. 
How many RBs do well against the Redskins?
And once again, I see a post from a TJ owner with 5 paragraphs of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded before.  Once, ok.  Twice, eh maybe.  5 straight years of just pure bad luck?  I'm not buying it.  Soon it will be 6 and counting when he "unfairly" gets benched yet again.

Anyway, like I said we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, we've both made our points and we're certainly not going to change each other's mind.  Time to just ride this one out and see what happens.  I can't believe I've spent this much time arguing over Thomas Jones..
Uh, as I said multiple times, I'm not a TJ owner. That's about the 3rd or 4th time you've just come out and said something completely wrong. You haven't made any real points about TJ's recent performances that stand up to even casual scrutiny, either.
 
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i've got tomlinson/ j. jones with t.jones as backup in a start 2 league where most only carry 3 RBs. works for me.

 
950 in 13 games isn't that amazing under normal circumstances, but he averaged 4 ypc during that stretch, which should tell you that he didn't get that many carries. That's actually another thing that sucked about last year's Bears, OC Terry Shea. He was horrible, he didn't know how to call a game, and he tried to make the players fit his scheme rather than scheme for the players he had. This is why he immediately lost his job at the end of the season. Jones was under 20 carries for most games last season, it was ridiculous.

And then of course, you factor in the COMPLETE lack of a passing game for almost the entire season, the fact that the OL sucked, and the fact that the defenses absolutely knew that Thomas Jones was the only player who could hurt them, and you should probably be wondering how he managed 950/9 like he did. If he was half as bad as you think he was, he probably couldn't have cracked 700/5. The entire Bears offense was a complete disaster in 2004, and few RBs in the league could have cracked 1000 in 13 there as TJ almost did.

And now you're talking about A-Train and the OL being good? At this point, it's clear to any Bears homer that you did not watch these games. A-Train almost got 300 yards in 3 games, you're right. Against who? Three of the weakest run D teams (and just bad teams overall) in their schedule, SF, Tennesse, and the Giants. And, what's worse is that he averaged 3.4ypc to slowly accumulate those 280ish yards. Yes, it took him 82 carries to get those yards in 3 games. You're trying to use that to discredit Jones? A-Train did worse against the weakest competition the Bears saw that year.
You're darn right I'm using that to discredit Jones. Here's a little flash in the pan for ya. You're making a point about how impressive 950 yards in 13 starts was in that offense, yet Atrain did just fine in the same offense.In those 3 games Atrain went 82-280, 3.4ypc. In TJ's games after Grossman went down, he went 173-618, 3.5ypc. Similar ypc, higher yardage per game for Atrain. What's Atrain doing now? Oh yeah, he's a backup, same place TJ will end up before the season's out. Another thing you're not factoring in here is that Atrain is a pound it out RB, those RB's always have worse ypc. One thing that Atrain DID do was get a lot of carries when he was in. Was this pure luck, or something more? Didn't the Bears draft Benson because they didn't think TJ could pound the ball 30 times a game. Then it doesn't seem like such a big a coincidence that in Atrains mere 3 starts he had games where he carries 28 and 29 times, yet in TJ's THIRTEEN starts he DIDN'T CARRY THAT MANY TIMES EVEN ONCE (not to mention TJ has never been able to make it even close to going through a season carrying the load without getting hurt). Same O-line. Same QB. Same "situation". 280/2 rushing in 3 games, certainly doesn't make the 618/3 that TJ got in his 10 starts in the same situation look all that good, does it?

And before you go on about SF, NYG, and TEN being the weakest defenses the Bears played all year, have you forgotten what division Chicago is in?!?!? TJ got Minnesota TWICE, Green Bay TWICE, and Detroit TWICE, as well as Houston and Indy. Not exactly Rudi Johnson's schedule there...

But hey, let's keep bringing up schedules. I mean, TJ has certainly shed that this year by going 15-31 against a good run defense, and then putting up good points against two terrible ones. Oh wait.

And once again, I see a post from a TJ owner with 5 paragraphs of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded before. Once, ok. Twice, eh maybe. 5 straight years of just pure bad luck? I'm not buying it. Soon it will be 6 and counting when he "unfairly" gets benched yet again.

Anyway, like I said we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, we've both made our points and we're certainly not going to change each other's mind. Time to just ride this one out and see what happens. I can't believe I've spent this much time arguing over Thomas Jones..

You should be done hear    :lmao:
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but judging by the way it was put together (seriously I've seen people mix up there and their, but here and hear?) I'm guessing it wasn't anything too clever.
WOW, I didn't know my English teacher was on the board. Dork
 
I can't believe you guys are creaming over 3.9ypc and a meaningless fourth-quarter TD in a blowout. Well, OK, the Bears are likely to have a lot of garbage time this year, and garbage time still counts, but it's not like it takes talent to roll up rushing stats when you're down by 17 and the defense is playing pass.
Try watching the game before making comments like this.The first half featured Thomas Jones running very well only to watch Orton repeatedly screw up.

There's a reason Benson didn't a single carry yesterday. It's Jones' show, and the coaching staff obviously likes something they see in him. Jones is a better blocker, better receiver, knows the offense, and if he runs like he did yesterday, it's not going to be easy for Benson to see the field.

Of course, you've dug yourself so deep into this argument that nothing can pull you out now.

Still think Benson is going to be the feature back after the bye week? :lmao:

 
Benson was a wasted high pick by the Bears.
Benson is a talented back that will get his featured job next year IMO. They should trade T.J. in the off season for reciever help, and develop Benson in the OTA's/Training camp to be the complete back that jones currently is.
 
I just checked out the game book, and Benson WAS active.

Jeff Blake, Cedric Benson and Qasim Mitchell did not play.

Inactive: Grossman, Kittner, Holly, Thompson, McGowan, Odom, Idonije and St. Clair (aka the human turnstyle)
I should have mentioned where I got my "information". I was relaying what the broadcast team said during the game. Not exactly shocking if this was incorrect.
 
Arg, darn you destro for making me continually come back into this thread when I'm ready to be done with it. ;) . It takes me forever to type these things out one-handed (broken left hand). But alas, I can't let the truth be hidden, :P so here goes.

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. It wasn't the same situation.
This is apples to apples. Same situation. SAME TEAM. Same O-line, bad QB, etc. Even when comparing equally weak defenses (more on this below).
as a group, they were tougher teams to run against. Your comparison was a very bad one, and the one above is far more accurate.
There's more to a run defense than pure total yardage allowed. Teams with bad secondaries put up better "total rush D" than teams with good ones simply because teams can pass or run against those teams. Miami is a good example, they have a bad run D, but it's only equally as bad as a team like Minnesota or Green Bay, yet they allow far more total rush yardage than those teams because teams have to run against them, whereas teams can run or pass against a team like Minn or GB. So to that effect, let's take a look at the worst run D's the Bears faced last year based on ypc, a much more accurate reflection of good the defense is:Worst (all tied at 4.6ypc):

Houston

Indianapolis

Tennesee

Green Bay

Minnesota

So, we go post-Grossman (since that's what the arguement is about, apples to apples right?). Let's take a look at Atrain's games against the 3 worst defenses he faced (the only 3 he faced):

25-98/0 3.9ypc vs. SF

28-110/2 3.9 ypc vs NYG

29-72 @ 2.5ypc vs Tenn

And TJ's against his 4 worst defenses:

18-59/0 3.3ypc vs Indy

15-49/0 3.3ypc vs Minn

15-40/0 2.7ypc vs. Hou

26-108/2 4.2ypc vs GB

So what have we got, similar stats against similarly bad defenses, in basically the same situation. Well, similar is a lousy word. Atrain actually had about the same number of yards and TD's in one fewer game.

But wait, still not close enough for you, right? Apparently in your book Craig Krenzel is the differencemaker. Where is he now again....oh yea, that's right). But nonetheless, let's take a look at it.

Krenzel comes in for Atrain's 3 games and they do pretty well. The next 2 games, Krenzel stays in, but TJ comes in at RB. First against Indy (just as bad a defense as the ones Atrain faced, worse actually at 4.6ypc allowed), and TJ goes 18-59/0 at 3.3ypc. Then in comes Dallas, nearly the same ypc allowed as the NYG and worse than SF, and TJ goes 14-46/0 at 3.3ypc. Same QB, same O-line, same team, against bad run defenses.

This is as close as you will get to apples to apples in fantasy football, since no players can run the ball at the same time in the same exact play, you won't get any closer than two guys playing on the same team, with the same players around them, both against bad defenses. It doesn't get any closer to apples to apples than this.

And let's not forget we're not exactly comparing TJ to Walter Payton here. This is ANTHONY THOMAS, a guy who now rides the pine. If it was soooooooooooooo impressive for TJ to put up 950 yards in 13 games in such a baaaaaaaad situation, why did such a baaaaaaaaad RB (Atrain) come in and do just fine in the same situation, when TJ put up less impressive numbers against equally bad defenses?

And who cares that they gave A-Train a few more carries in the games he started? They were ahead in 2 of those late, and ground the 4th quarter away. That certainly is statistically significant!
Statistics? You want to talk statistics? I have a stats minor, and as such I can tell you that the likelihood that one guy got 28+ carries in 2 out of 3 starts, while another did it ZERO times in THIRTEEN starts based purely on coincidence is infinitessibly (sp?) small. Even further, Atrain got 25+ carries in ALL THREE of his starts, while TJ did so in only 1 of his 13.Chicago held the lead against Minnesota just fine with TJ in there, yet he only received 15 carries while Atrain finished pounding away at the clock.

In fact, now that I look at it, TJ has carried 28+ times only once in his entire 5 year career. So now Atrain did it twice in 3 games, vs. TJ's once in 5 years, based purely on coincidence? I think not.

And once again, I see a post from a TJ owner with 5 paragraphs of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded before. Once, ok. Twice, eh maybe. 5 straight years of just pure bad luck? I'm not buying it. Soon it will be 6 and counting when he "unfairly" gets benched yet again.
Uh, as I said multiple times, I'm not a TJ owner.
Simply came out wrong. TJ "apologist" would've been a better term I suppose, especially since I'm actually a TJ "owner" that didn't fit right. After typing one-handed for a half an hour it just kind of flows out as it does.Again, we're not going to change each other's minds here, so let's let this just let this die already. This is Thomas Jones, a 6 year guy with nothing but excuses on his resume, he's not worth this much time.

 
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Thomas Jones can have all the great games he wants, and the owners should enjoy them while they last. The point I'd like to make is unless the Bears can start winning games, you can kiss TJ goodbye as a starter. I'd imagine the Bears will eventually want to start seeing what kind of performance Benson can give them this year, in preparation for next season. A losing record would certainly give way to Benson starting over Jones.Let’s look at the rest of the Bears first half schedule:Week 4 - ByeWeek 5 - @ CLEWeek 6 - MINWeek 7 - BALWeek 8 - @ DETWeek 9 - @ NOR (Where will this be played??)2 of the next 5 games are against division teams. 3 of the next 5 games are away. If the Bears can win those expect to see plenty of Thomas Jones this season, as they’ll be in playoff contention in a weak division. If the Bears lose those division games and drop 1 or 2 others, I would guess Benson could be starting in the 2nd half of the season. Thomas Jones is the man for now; I'm not trying to discredit him with this post. However, I would have a hard time counting on him to carry your team all season and into the playoffs. The time to try and sell TJ high could be just a few weeks away...he could put up some big numbers in the upcoming games.Of course the Bears could start winning and this whole post could be nil...where do you place your chips? Does anyone really think that given their QB situation the Bears will be a playoff contender this year?

 
Thomas Jones can have all the great games he wants, and the owners should enjoy them while they last. The point I'd like to make is unless the Bears can start winning games, you can kiss TJ goodbye as a starter. I'd imagine the Bears will eventually want to start seeing what kind of performance Benson can give them this year, in preparation for next season. A losing record would certainly give way to Benson starting over Jones.

Let’s look at the rest of the Bears first half schedule:

Week 4 - Bye

Week 5 - @ CLE

Week 6 - MIN

Week 7 - BAL

Week 8 - @ DET

Week 9 - @ NOR (Where will this be played??)

2 of the next 5 games are against division teams. 3 of the next 5 games are away. If the Bears can win those expect to see plenty of Thomas Jones this season, as they’ll be in playoff contention in a weak division. If the Bears lose those division games and drop 1 or 2 others, I would guess Benson could be starting in the 2nd half of the season.

Thomas Jones is the man for now; I'm not trying to discredit him with this post. However, I would have a hard time counting on him to carry your team all season and into the playoffs. The time to try and sell TJ high could be just a few weeks away...he could put up some big numbers in the upcoming games.

Of course the Bears could start winning and this whole post could be nil...where do you place your chips? Does anyone really think that given their QB situation the Bears will be a playoff contender this year?
Have you seen that division?I'm pretty sure that Iowa State could be a playoff contender in that division...

 
Have you seen that division?

I'm pretty sure that Iowa State could be a playoff contender in that division...
I agree they are in a weak divison. That is why I believe the next few games are going to be very important for TJ owners. If the Bears drop 3 out of their next 5 (giving them a 3-5 record) it won't be looking too great for TJ owners.
 
Have you seen that division?

I'm pretty sure that Iowa State could be a playoff contender in that division...
I agree they are in a weak divison. That is why I believe the next few games are going to be very important for TJ owners. If the Bears drop 3 out of their next 5 (giving them a 3-5 record) it won't be looking too great for TJ owners.
That depends on how the rest of the divison goesI think 3-5 would only be a game back. 8-8 looks to win that division, so if you go 3-5 and then 5-3 you may be in the playoifffs.

Also don't forget, as much as TJ is in there for winning, he is in there to help Orton. As long as Orton is the QB TJ will be hold the starting job unless he lays an absolute egg.

More important that seeing what Benson can do is seeing what Orton can do, because grossman may never stay healthy. A rookie RB is a lot more likely to get that rookie QB killed by missing a blitz pickup.

 

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