Those high 1st round picks in Dyansty are losing a lot of steam (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's look at this because up till today we were hearing that DMF, Mendanhall, Felix jones, Stewart, Rice, they were all going to be great picks. What happened today?

1.04 DMF, Oakland Raiders: I guess some will be hyped on this guy no matter where he landed but I think Oakland is a terrible place for him and the you also have a HC that is not just on the hot seat but was asked to resign...likely get fired when the Raiders start off 2-6 this season, I think DMF would have been much better on the Jets even with Thomas Jones hanging on there.

1.13 J.Stewart, Carolina Panthers: Already have a 1st round pick RB in DWill, very bad situation where he will likely never get more than 40% of the load for the time being. How o you take this guy with the 1.02 in Dyansty? You can't.

1.22 Felix Jones, Dallas Cowboys: Change of pace for MB III is what I'm looking for to turn my team around...NOT!!! Again, this was not a great scenario except for Dallas fans who should be happy but not for FF owners.

1.23 Rashard Mendenhall, Pittsburgh Steelers: Good chance to play a lot. Obviously Pitt is not sold on FWP and probably don't want to pony up to pay him. I'm not sure what he makes or how much they have wrapped up in FWP, but the Steelers have scene a lot of good players leave over the years. Mendenhall may be still worth consideration with at least the 1.02

1.24 Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans: No way would I invest much into this guy. I just do not get the Titans and what they are doing.

2.13 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears: Probsably has a chance to do as well rookie numbers wise as most of the others right now...long term though I wouldn't be too excited about this guy. 6-2, 223...not a lot of big backs hold up well over time.

2.24 Ray Rice, Baltimore Ravens: Loved this guy in college and predraft but now he is worthless IMO...not gonna be pushing McGahee who has a nice contract in place with Baltimore, not going to be pushing for playing time.

In Dynasty you have to be disappointed by what you see today.

What happened to teams like the Jets, Denver, Detroit, these were places that needed help most of us felt at RB...and now the backs that are left are probably not RB1 types and more likely role players.

And just to put it out there, I tried to deal Travis Henry for a late 1st round pick in Dynasty and was laughed at. now I am almost thinking I may be able to leverage for more if Denver doesn't do anything at RB. Even if they take a Slaton later I don't see them finding anyone that will be annointed as the man in camp.

 

[TaxMan]

Let's look at this because up till today we were hearing that DMF, Mendanhall, Felix jones, Stewart, Rice, they were all going to be great picks. What happened today?1.04 DMF, Oakland Raiders: I guess some will be hyped on this guy no matter where he landed but I think Oakland is a terrible place for him and the you also have a HC that is not just on the hot seat but was asked to resign...likely get fired when the Raiders start off 2-6 this season, I think DMF would have been much better on the Jets even with Thomas Jones hanging on there. 1.13 J.Stewart, Carolina Panthers: Already have a 1st round pick RB in DWill, very bad situation where he will likely never get more than 40% of the load for the time being. How o you take this guy with the 1.02 in Dyansty? You can't.1.22 Felix Jones, Dallas Cowboys: Change of pace for MB III is what I'm looking for to turn my team around...NOT!!! Again, this was not a great scenario except for Dallas fans who should be happy but not for FF owners.1.23 Rashard Mendenhall, Pittsburgh Steelers: Good chance to play a lot. Obviously Pitt is not sold on FWP and probably don't want to pony up to pay him. I'm not sure what he makes or how much they have wrapped up in FWP, but the Steelers have scene a lot of good players leave over the years. Mendenhall may be still worth consideration with at least the 1.021.24 Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans: No way would I invest much into this guy. I just do not get the Titans and what they are doing. 2.13 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears: Probsably has a chance to do as well rookie numbers wise as most of the others right now...long term though I wouldn't be too excited about this guy. 6-2, 223...not a lot of big backs hold up well over time.2.24 Ray Rice, Baltimore Ravens: Loved this guy in college and predraft but now he is worthless IMO...not gonna be pushing McGahee who has a nice contract in place with Baltimore, not going to be pushing for playing time.In Dynasty you have to be disappointed by what you see today.What happened to teams like the Jets, Denver, Detroit, these were places that needed help most of us felt at RB...and now the backs that are left are probably not RB1 types and more likely role players. And just to put it out there, I tried to deal Travis Henry for a late 1st round pick in Dynasty and was laughed at. now I am almost thinking I may be able to leverage for more if Denver doesn't do anything at RB. Even if they take a Slaton later I don't see them finding anyone that will be annointed as the man in camp.

and someone said 1.4 is netting Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes type player, and that Holt is worth less than a 1.06.

 

[fsufan]

there has been some good RBs that had to sit and wait a few years before they got an opportunity to be the #1 RB.

LJ

S Jax

to me rookie FF drafts are about a 1 or 2 down the road

 

[Chachi]

I agree with most of what you say. Stewart/Mendenhall/Jones fell into RBBC.

However, I disagree with the DMac comments. He is obviously easily the #1 pick in dynasty rookie drafts now. I think Oakland is a wonderful landing spot for him. They have an excellent run blocking OL, he has no real competition. Raider running backs had 8 100 yard rushing games last year by Lamont/Fargas/Rhodes and 1800 rushing yards between them. LT had 6 100 yard games, Addai had 4, Fargas had 4 in the starting half a season. I see Oakland as a great spot for McFadden. I am pumped up to have the 1.1 rookie pick.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

this same thing happens every year

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's look at this because up till today we were hearing that DMF, Mendanhall, Felix jones, Stewart, Rice, they were all going to be great picks. What happened today?1.04 DMF, Oakland Raiders: I guess some will be hyped on this guy no matter where he landed but I think Oakland is a terrible place for him and the you also have a HC that is not just on the hot seat but was asked to resign...likely get fired when the Raiders start off 2-6 this season, I think DMF would have been much better on the Jets even with Thomas Jones hanging on there. 1.13 J.Stewart, Carolina Panthers: Already have a 1st round pick RB in DWill, very bad situation where he will likely never get more than 40% of the load for the time being. How o you take this guy with the 1.02 in Dyansty? You can't.1.22 Felix Jones, Dallas Cowboys: Change of pace for MB III is what I'm looking for to turn my team around...NOT!!! Again, this was not a great scenario except for Dallas fans who should be happy but not for FF owners.1.23 Rashard Mendenhall, Pittsburgh Steelers: Good chance to play a lot. Obviously Pitt is not sold on FWP and probably don't want to pony up to pay him. I'm not sure what he makes or how much they have wrapped up in FWP, but the Steelers have scene a lot of good players leave over the years. Mendenhall may be still worth consideration with at least the 1.021.24 Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans: No way would I invest much into this guy. I just do not get the Titans and what they are doing. 2.13 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears: Probsably has a chance to do as well rookie numbers wise as most of the others right now...long term though I wouldn't be too excited about this guy. 6-2, 223...not a lot of big backs hold up well over time.2.24 Ray Rice, Baltimore Ravens: Loved this guy in college and predraft but now he is worthless IMO...not gonna be pushing McGahee who has a nice contract in place with Baltimore, not going to be pushing for playing time.In Dynasty you have to be disappointed by what you see today.What happened to teams like the Jets, Denver, Detroit, these were places that needed help most of us felt at RB...and now the backs that are left are probably not RB1 types and more likely role players. And just to put it out there, I tried to deal Travis Henry for a late 1st round pick in Dynasty and was laughed at. now I am almost thinking I may be able to leverage for more if Denver doesn't do anything at RB. Even if they take a Slaton later I don't see them finding anyone that will be annointed as the man in camp.

and someone said 1.4 is netting Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes type player, and that Holt is worth less than a 1.06.

Exactly...people have been coveting these picks in Dyansty and I bet most of them wish they had dealt them when they had the chance. So much hinges on opp and the system...today we saw NFL teams willing to take these RB in the 1st round but they appear to be mostly in RBBC situations or the better term is a 2-Back System.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

this same thing happens every year

Yes, but people don't seem to learn from it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And should we even talk about the middle and later part of the 1st...where are all the WR??? I saw mocks where 4-5 were going to go int he 1st round...none went and most of the picks are to teams where they will have an uphill climb making any real impact as a rookie.

 

[Ned]

this same thing happens every year

this year seems especially messy. outside of dmac #1, stewart #2, there's gonna be a ton of different looking drafts this year. trying to figure out the wrs?

 

[VonRomig]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.

The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.

Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.

Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.

Von

 

[Finatic]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

 

[fsufan]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

a dynasty player that gets it

 

[cstu]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

Agreed. Whether the WR's got drafted mid-1st or mid-2nd (or even later) doesn't really matter much. Looking at the guys who were drafted today it does look like at least a year wait to get much out of them, but quite a few of them have #1 or #1b-type potential in a couple years.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

I'm sorry, sometimes I don't get exactly down in print what my brain is thinking. I just feel with all the mystery now around whether any of these guys pan out, I think it is much more wise to trade some of those 1st round picks for established players...however that is going to be tough now as teams that might trade for those picks will not be as excited after seeing what unfolded today. The goal in Dyansty is to win, right? I want to field a team that has a chance to win. From my Dyansty experience, many fold after 3-5 seasons as owners get tired of putting in money and not getting any results. I have a hard time getting excited about a player for 3 years down the road...I want to get at least some production along the way.

 

[cstu]

Let's look at this because up till today we were hearing that DMF, Mendanhall, Felix jones, Stewart, Rice, they were all going to be great picks. What happened today?1.04 DMF, Oakland Raiders: I guess some will be hyped on this guy no matter where he landed but I think Oakland is a terrible place for him and the you also have a HC that is not just on the hot seat but was asked to resign...likely get fired when the Raiders start off 2-6 this season, I think DMF would have been much better on the Jets even with Thomas Jones hanging on there.

I was hoping for the Jets, but considering what Fargas did last year (1000 yards, 4.5 YPC) I'm not at all worried about how DMC will do there.

 

[gianmarco]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

I agree with you but I also definitely agree with MOP. I don't think he's saying that because these guys aren't starting this year that they are worthless. But, just yesterday, those top picks had TREMENDOUS value and were netting guys like Holmes and Holt and others as mentioned above. Now, that value has fallen a good bit because of the draft and you can go back now and get those same picks for less (and closer to their true value every year).It's easy to buy into the hype of all these prospects but the bottomline is that there are very few starting positions available and it's rare for the top prospects to line up nicely in each of those spots. Thus, you have to wait to get return on your investment and it's smarter to buy these guys when that value dips like now.

 

[Addicted2Football]

I think there were alot of opportunities this year for RBs to be drafted into positions where they could start right away. Only one that appears to have developed was Oak.

 

[millertyme1]

After 2 rounds:

DMC's the easy #1 guy. (If he wasn't already coming in)

I will agree with you that 1.2 and 1.3 lost some value. Parker/Williams are going to be big factors regardless in the run games. (You're going to have to pay quite a bit to secure the Pitt/Carolina run games)

Forte moved up today obviously (to 1.4 IMO). F.Jones remains constant (I expected him to be a career COP back coming in) and I don't think Rice's situation is hopeless (sure it'd be great if he landed in say Seattle or AZ).

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Will revisit this 2morrow. I'm sure a RB or 2 will land in situations that could arguably vault them ahead of Rice/Jones.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

I agree with you but I also definitely agree with MOP. I don't think he's saying that because these guys aren't starting this year that they are worthless. But, just yesterday, those top picks had TREMENDOUS value and were netting guys like Holmes and Holt and others as mentioned above. Now, that value has fallen a good bit because of the draft and you can go back now and get those same picks for less (and closer to their true value every year).It's easy to buy into the hype of all these prospects but the bottomline is that there are very few starting positions available and it's rare for the top prospects to line up nicely in each of those spots. Thus, you have to wait to get return on your investment and it's smarter to buy these guys when that value dips like now.

Agreed. i'm not trying to start a fire int he Shark pool, but people were talking about Torry Holt only being worth a 1.06 a few weeks ago...I bet you could probbably get the 1.02 or 1.03 for him now...what' the other option? You are going to sell me on Steart in Carolina for the next 2-3 seasons...you think he is going to impact your team more than Holt?But forget about that example, the real issue is that I feel established players are worth more than the draft picks in almost all these Dyansty Leagues at the moment.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

I agree with you but I also definitely agree with MOP. I don't think he's saying that because these guys aren't starting this year that they are worthless. But, just yesterday, those top picks had TREMENDOUS value and were netting guys like Holmes and Holt and others as mentioned above. Now, that value has fallen a good bit because of the draft and you can go back now and get those same picks for less (and closer to their true value every year).It's easy to buy into the hype of all these prospects but the bottomline is that there are very few starting positions available and it's rare for the top prospects to line up nicely in each of those spots. Thus, you have to wait to get return on your investment and it's smarter to buy these guys when that value dips like now.

I think you have both sides - it's important to notice value when it slips and sometimes - this may be one of those times - where veteran value may be more worthwhile than some of the picks in the early 1st.There's always that balance though in Dynasty. When to hold and when to trade.Will take a day or two to see where the value is in the RBs this year.

 

[KarmaPolice]

After 2 roundsMC's the easy #1 guy. (If he wasn't already coming in)I will agree with you that 1.2 and 1.3 lost some value. Parker/Williams are going to be big factors regardless in the run games. (You're going to have to pay quite a bit to secure the Pitt/Carolina run games)Forte moved up today obviously (to 1.4 IMO). F.Jones remains constant (I expected him to be a career COP back coming in) and I don't think Rice's situation is hopeless (sure it'd be great if he landed in say Seattle or AZ).-------------------------Will revisit this 2morrow. I'm sure a RB or 2 will land in situations that could arguably vault them ahead of Rice/Jones.

This is how I see it too. IMO 1.2 and 1.3 will come down to who you liked more before the draft talent-wise. I see the situations for Mendenhall and Stewart as about the same. I still think Felix will go 1.4 in most drafts, but Forte might sneak in there too. I don't think the first 4 picks will change much. In day 2 there could be RBs that could replace Forte as the #5 RB if somebody goes to Seat, Houst, AZ, Det, etc... - places that people had taking a back in the 1st on a lot of mock drafts. Bottom line is yes - IMO the value of the rookie picks took a hit today. I am sure glad I didn't overpay to get into the top 3 this year.

 

[jwb]

Ministry of Pain seems to be one of those types who think the rookie draft is for grabbing first year stud starters.The rookies in this year's draft are those you grab for 2, 3 years down the road, even RBs. Even moreso for WRs, as a whole you are crazy to think of anything from them until their 3rd year.Rookies are long term choices, not instant dynamite to blow your team into the Superbowl.Having a player tear it up in their first year, aka ADP, is a major bonus... but not the norm you should expect.Von

This also depends on your roster limits. One of my leagues is a start ten league, with 20-player rosters in-season. You just can't sit on a non-producer for two to three years unless he's a RB handcuff - you have to see some sign of payoff in the first year and a half. Put it to you this way - if Jarret or Meachem don't produce "something" by week 4 this year, they'll be on the wire in this particular league.

 

[teamroc]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This dynasty draft just went in the toilet.

The top RBs just went into a RBBC.

McFadden may be the #1 over Fargas and Bush, but RBBC is a definite possibility.

Stewart may be the RB to have in Carolina, but its likely to end up 60/40 with Williams

Mendenhall ending up with Parker is a nightmare for so many fantasy owners. 50/50? Ruins Parker and Mendenhall.

Felix Jones to Dallas was predictable, but puts him as a guy that will get 30-40% of the chances. Also limiting Barber.

Johnson to Tennessee messes with everyone with Fatdale and Chris Henry.

Then 10 WRs go in RD2. Many of the WRs that were predicted to go high fell to the lower parts of RD2, while the many non-name players went before them. Good luck picking the right guy out of all of them.

QBs??

Ryan has value in going to ATL, but how good is he? Baltimore seems obsessed with the guy with the big arm. Boller and Flacco. Seems like they reached by quite a bit considering where Brohm and Henne ended up. Brohm was perhaps the most NFL ready, but ends up locked behind Rodgers.

Just a super rough day for everyone trying to draft NFL Rookies for their dynasty teams.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

OUTSTANDING!!!

 

[FUBAR]

Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.

I agree with most of your post, but I'm fairly certain Rice is the backup, not RBBC, at least any time soon.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)2002Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)2003Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)2004Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

 

[KarmaPolice]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

OUTSTANDING!!!

Agree, that's some For whatever reason this draft seemed worse than normal for FF owners.

 

[comfortably numb]

Sounds like a good time to buy the draft picks

 

[comfortably numb]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)2002Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)2003Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)2004Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

 

[millertyme1]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

OUTSTANDING!!!

Agree, that's some For whatever reason this draft seemed worse than normal for FF owners.

I'd concur.If the bad squads with 1.2-1.3 and also had Parker or D-Will, they are probably crying right now. They aren't gaining a new RB as expected....you've just got to draft the committee partner now.

 

[gianmarco]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.

And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.

Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.

After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.

Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.

Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.

Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.

Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.

Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch.

And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs.

Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)

2002

Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)

Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)

2003

Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)

Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)

Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)

2004

Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)

Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.

If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

It did change for you if traded for a high pick and overpaid for it.

 

[comfortably numb]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.

And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.

Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.

After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.

Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.

Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.

Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.

Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.

Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch.

And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs.

Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)

2002

Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)

Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)

2003

Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)

Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)

Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)

2004

Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)

Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.

If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

It did change for you if traded for a high pick and overpaid for it.

my condolences

 

[massraider]

On top of the RBs not going to ideal fantasy situations, the WRs were even messier.

Sweed to Pitt? Not the best spot for him. Is there a place for him for the next two years?

Redskins drafting two WRs and a pass-catching TE?

Donnie Avery? Major curveball there, but has the opportunity.

Hardy to the Bills? OK, this is a nice spot.

Jordy Nelson? When does he get a shot?

 

[gianmarco]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.

And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.

Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.

After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.

Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.

Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.

Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.

Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.

Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch.

And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs.

Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)

2002

Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)

Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)

2003

Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)

Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)

Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)

2004

Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)

Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.

If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

It did change for you if traded for a high pick and overpaid for it.

my condolences

I didn't bother going after any top picks. Thanks anyway for the thoughts

 

[KarmaPolice]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)2002Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)2003Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)2004Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

couple of those are decent examples, but pre-draft was anybody licking their chops and trading up to get the rights to C.Perry, M.Smith, or M.Morris?? There's a couple surprises every year or so, but it just feels to me that more and more teams are going with the 2 back approach and that seemed evident today. I personally can't remember so much talk over the value over the 1st 3 picks with the good Rbs in the draft. Some of the trades I saw for these picks were mind boggling. Owners were hoping for these RBs to go into better situations for sure. That is just the RBs- as somebody else said the QBs, WRs, and TEs are a friggin' mess too.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Agree with the perception that this draft really has messed up dynasty rookie drafts. The RBs are fragmented, with the 2-5 guys going into RBBC situations that will limit their production. I think most rookie drafts will go

1. McFadden

2. Stewart

3. Mendenhall and then ?

Jones into a definite timeshare with Barber and a few catches? I think Forte makes a strong case for #4 with Benson probably done. Certainly it looks like he could be the main guy in that situation. I have no idea what the pick of Johnson by Tennessee means. Is he a returner and occasional 3rd down back? He will fight for time with 2 other guys. Was hoping Rice would go to a more open situation where he could plod along ala a Curtis Martin and be a fantasy force sooner.

I think picks 1.02 - 1.06 have some value, but you'll have to take a shot in the dark and then wait. These are guys that may not produce for several years.

 

[gianmarco]

Agree with the perception that this draft really has messed up dynasty rookie drafts. The RBs are fragmented, with the 2-5 guys going into RBBC situations that will limit their production. I think most rookie drafts will go 1. McFadden 2. Stewart 3. Mendenhall and then ? Jones into a definite timeshare with Barber and a few catches? I think Forte makes a strong case for #4 with Benson probably done. Certainly it looks like he could be the main guy in that situation. I have no idea what the pick of Johnson by Tennessee means. Is he a returner and occasional 3rd down back? He will fight for time with 2 other guys. Was hoping Rice would go to a more open situation where he could plod along ala a Curtis Martin and be a fantasy force sooner. I think picks 1.02 - 1.06 have some value, but you'll have to take a shot in the dark and then wait. These are guys that may not produce for several years.

Wait until someone like Kevin Smith ends up in Detroit or J. Charles lands in Arizona.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

couple of those are decent examples, but pre-draft was anybody licking their chops and trading up to get the rights to C.Perry, M.Smith, or M.Morris?? There's a couple surprises every year or so, but it just feels to me that more and more teams are going with the 2 back approach and that seemed evident today. I personally can't remember so much talk over the value over the 1st 3 picks with the good Rbs in the draft. Some of the trades I saw for these picks were mind boggling. Owners were hoping for these RBs to go into better situations for sure. That is just the RBs- as somebody else said the QBs, WRs, and TEs are a friggin' mess too.

Perry was the 2nd RB drafted in 2004Musa Smith was the 3rd RB drafted in 2003Maurice Morris was the 5th RB drafted in 2002some other examples of RBs that people may have been sweating prior to the draft were guys like Michael Turner, who went in round 5 and wound up buried behind LaDanian Tomlinson. Chris Brown, who went in round 3 to a team that already had Eddie George. The Vikings seemed to add a new RB every year as they went from Robert Smith to Michael Bennett to Onterrio Smith to Mewelde Moore to Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson.as I said, this type of thing happens every single year. this is nothing new. the only reason the WR situation is such a mess is because none went in round 1 and there weren't any that stood out as being elite talents.if people made trades for early picks that weren't the #1 to get McFadden, it's their own fault as anybody should have been able to see this coming ahead of time. Rookies don't always wind up in great situations. In fact, they seem to end up in bad situations more often than they wind up in good ones, IMO.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Agree with the perception that this draft really has messed up dynasty rookie drafts. The RBs are fragmented, with the 2-5 guys going into RBBC situations that will limit their production. I think most rookie drafts will go 1. McFadden 2. Stewart 3. Mendenhall and then ? Jones into a definite timeshare with Barber and a few catches? I think Forte makes a strong case for #4 with Benson probably done. Certainly it looks like he could be the main guy in that situation. I have no idea what the pick of Johnson by Tennessee means. Is he a returner and occasional 3rd down back? He will fight for time with 2 other guys. Was hoping Rice would go to a more open situation where he could plod along ala a Curtis Martin and be a fantasy force sooner. I think picks 1.02 - 1.06 have some value, but you'll have to take a shot in the dark and then wait. These are guys that may not produce for several years.

Wait until someone like Kevin Smith ends up in Detroit or J. Charles lands in Arizona.

True. Keep forgetting that we are only through 2 rounds. Good examples. I was shocked neither of those teams grabbed someone SO FAR. I think Smith or Charles could be good value and rocket up rookie drafts if they end up in nice situations.

 

[comfortably numb]

I think the perceived value has gone down, but it also had no where else to go but down.

People were expecting 6 RB's to be starting on FF teams in week 1 ready to produce 1K 8 TD's.

That was the perceived value, the reality of the value, is that there were only so many starting spots available.

This was bound to happen to an extent.

Yes, I am surprised at some of the RB's new homes, but I also didn't plan on a RB leading my team in 08, I planned on making moves knowing these guys may not contribute for me early in there careers.

Now everyone will sell cheap, and yet there still may en up being a couple of RB that will contribute heavily in 08.

Plan accordingly.

 

[Lobo237]

this same thing happens every year

Uh, no.While there are stats out there showing the # of 300 carry RBs has slowly gone up in the NFL, recently I'm not sure that's by design.And today, the one stud workhorse RB is clearly not the way teams are approaching the RB situation.Raiders are LOADED at RB. While DMAC might have the most talent, we'll see if he gets the bulk of the carries.After that, it gets worse. People talked about how Dwill doesn't "fit" their physical run style. *lol* They just drafted him in the 1st round! Taking two 1st round RBs in 3 years is more or less unheard of when you factor in Dwill has been pretty impressive. He's had some flashes, but again teams are looking for a one-two punch.Dallas, why exactly did they need a RB in the 1st round? They have a probowl RB, and still use a 1st round pick on a RB. They are completely sold on the RBBC approach.Steelers? Parker led the league in rushing for the most of the year! People talk about how they question Parker. Are you kidding? They used to use the 1 back work horse approach with Parker, but I guess since his injury they're on board with the Dallas RBBC system. When your o-line is falling apart, the D has lost some key players (along with JAX kicking that Ds ### twice, MJD smoking them) they go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. When they had a top 5 rushing RB already. Teams are falling in love with the one-two punch, wear down the defense system.Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.Today you saw teams with PROBOWL RBs, go out and use very high picks on backup RBs. That didn't happen 4-5 years ago. No one in the NFL valued RB depth, or backup RBs like they clearly do now. Stewart was not drafted to replace Dwill. He was drafted to give them a 1-2 punch. Same goes for the rest of the RBs drafted outside of DMAC.Whether the whole RBBC "plan" actually comes to fruition, you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think teams have changed their view on the RB position in the NFL. RBs use to be guys you could find anywhere, late round, day two. Now you have teams with *proven* NFL RBs, burning 1st round picks so they can have a one-two punch. And the WRs? Pick 1.04-3.05 is a cluster. There will be at least 6 WRs drafted WR1 in dynasty rookie drafts. It's wiiideeeee open. Any of the WRs drafted today, could be the 1st WR taken in dynasty drafts. That's not normal. The WR class is all over the place. The RBs are all over the place. You have teams who needed RBs, simply not draft them. You had teams with good RBs, drafting RBs. Clearly some of the RBs won't pan out, we'll still have our stud 300 carry RBs, but I firmly believe teams WANT to go RBBC, whether the talent pans out to make it happen we'll see.

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)2002Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)2003Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)2004Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

If you plan on your rookies winning you alot of games in 08, you have taken a slight hit.If you plan on your rookies being studs in 2-3 years, nothing should have changed for you.

couple of those are decent examples, but pre-draft was anybody licking their chops and trading up to get the rights to C.Perry, M.Smith, or M.Morris?? There's a couple surprises every year or so, but it just feels to me that more and more teams are going with the 2 back approach and that seemed evident today. I personally can't remember so much talk over the value over the 1st 3 picks with the good Rbs in the draft. Some of the trades I saw for these picks were mind boggling. Owners were hoping for these RBs to go into better situations for sure. That is just the RBs- as somebody else said the QBs, WRs, and TEs are a friggin' mess too.

Not too mention their was speculation Holmes was going to retire due to the injuries he sustained and Faulk was nearing the end of his shelf life as well. D-Will was a 1st round pick in 2006 who's been in rbbc. S-Jax was drafted in 2004 and took over as the primary back in 2005 which was Faulk's last season. Parker is entering his 5th season overall and has netted over 1,000 yards in each of his 3 seasons as a starter. So there's probably not going to be a passing of the torch to Mendenhall and Stewart anytime soon.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the perceived value has gone down, but it also had no where else to go but down.People were expecting 6 RB's to be starting on FF teams in week 1 ready to produce 1K 8 TD's.That was the perceived value, the reality of the value, is that there were only so many starting spots available.This was bound to happen to an extent.Yes, I am surprised at some of the RB's new homes, but I also didn't plan on a RB leading my team in 08, I planned on making moves knowing these guys may not contribute for me early in there careers.Now everyone will sell cheap, and yet there still may en up being a couple of RB that will contribute heavily in 08.Plan accordingly.

 

[lord_helmet]

It might be RBBC, but I have no doubt Stewart will be top dog in Carolina. I don't see how its a terrible spot for him.

Deangelo who ?

 

[coolnerd]

while things look bad now, remember that even in the short term, somebody will play their into fantasy relavance and injury will occur giving some others the chance. Now is the the time to go look up all that talent versus opportunity threads and trust whatever pre-draft evaluation that you use.

 

[teamroc]

2001Saints - Ricky Williams/Deuce McAllister (round 1)2002Falcons - Warrick Dunn/TJ Duckett (round 1)Seahawks - Shaun Alexander/Maurice Morris (round 2)2003Bills - Travis Henry/Willis McGahee (round 1)Chiefs - Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson (round 1)Ravens - Jamal Lewis/Musa Smith (round 3)2004Rams - Marshall Faulk/Steven Jackson (round 1)Bengals - Rudi Johnson/Chris Perry (round 1)

I'll give you Deuce, McGahee, LJ.Morris/Musa, not even close. Faulk/Dunn were both at the end of their careers, and this was an expected move. Perry could actually be used as an example to prove my side of the arguement. I never said it just started this year, it's been coming over the last few years. So 3 times from 01-04. And it happened 4 times today.And Holmes/Henry/Rickey had issues with contracts, poor fits, and previou coaches. Parker isn't going anywhere. This pick was more about Davenport. They clearly want to run a RBBC w/ Parker, keep him fresher. Same goes with Stewart. I don't seem them getting rid of Dwill. He's actually been pretty impressive. Both those picks were to run a RBBC from day 1. They didn't draft Felix Jones to get rid of Barber. JJ said Felix/Barber were the perfect RB combo.Teams are spending 1st round picks, with the plan of KEEPING both RBs, and running a RBBC. Barber/Parker are probowl RBs, those teams spend a 1st to keep their touches down, and use BOTH RBs.Colts/Bears had RBBC when they went to the SB.Pats/Giants were RBBC (before injuries forced Maroney to get the bulk of the caries). Teams are starting to see the value in the RBBC approach, and are spending HIGH picks to do it. Sorry, teams didn't do that 5 years ago.

 

[comfortably numb]

People, need, to, RELAX

Im already hearing there are only like 2 sole starter, and the rest of teams are RBBC.

Just because a RB was taken RD1, RD2 or RD3, doesn't translate into RBBC. Especially in 2008

Contracts have to be signed

Players have to make the roster

Playbooks have to be learned

Blitz's have to be picked up

Injuries have to be avoided

and mostly

talent & potential have to translate into success.

LOTS need to happen before we have a full blown RBBC like so many are anointing.

 

[Young 8]

Ray Rice? Again, 100% RBBC. McGahee isn't old, has a big contract, and was pretty productive last year. Teams clearly want 2 talented RBs.

ROTFL

 

[Deuceman]

I have 1.2 and I have FWP. The guy picking 1.3 has D Will. I think I may take Stewart at 1.2 because I think u take the most talented player in a dynasty. I really don't wanna take Mendenhall just to lock up the RBBC.

 

[The Dude]

Sure they should relax - it's always a knee jerk reaction

But keep in mind many dynasty rookie drafts will be taking place early next week.