Thoughts on Kevin Smith moving forward (1 Viewer)

[future_itisnow]

We don't need to state the obvious with Smith and what he is up against with the injury and the likelihood that Detroit drafts another RB...that much is known.

I am looking for some opinions on what his value COULD BE moving forward. For instance, could he be a flex player as a committee type RB even if Detroit drafts a RB? etc

As a Smith owner I am concerned his value is about to go from little to nothing in dynasty league owners eyes. Because of that I am really considering moving him and a pick to land a vet WR like a HWard/DMason to provide some WR depth to an otherwise very young WR corps on that squad.

Are there any Smith owners out there that have managed to move him recently?

 

[Go deep]

We don't need to state the obvious with Smith and what he is up against with the injury and the likelihood that Detroit drafts another RB...that much is known.

I am looking for some opinions on what his value COULD BE moving forward. For instance, could he be a flex player as a committee type RB even if Detroit drafts a RB? etc

As a Smith owner I am concerned his value is about to go from little to nothing in dynasty league owners eyes. Because of that I am really considering moving him and a pick to land a vet WR like a HWard/DMason to provide some WR depth to an otherwise very young WR corps on that squad.

Are there any Smith owners out there that have managed to move him recently?

If you know that, what more do you need to know, if you should trade him for Mason? You might get more info in the ACF.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Are there any Smith owners out there that have managed to move him recently?

I owned KSmith in a contract league last yr... drafted him at a good $ of 26 I think and a 4 yr contract; $500 cap. Then I got offered this little package felt very luckly to get it * Kellys Heroes gave up Smith, Kevin DET RB; Year 2010 Draft Pick 5.07 * VTCats gave up Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB; Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.10Jacobs cost $40 but atleast hes going to play and start the year healthy.

 

[r3t2]

the guy who owned him in our salary cap league just cut him. maybe trying to make cap room to sign free agents, but still a mistake i think.

 

[The Captain]

He has a role in Detroit going forward if he comes back from the knee injury. I think the Lions are really looking at Best and if they are able to land him, Smith will split carries. He's not explosive but he has skills and is a great receiver out of the backfield.

I think he's a hold now. Why sell low?

 

[future_itisnow]

He has a role in Detroit going forward if he comes back from the knee injury. I think the Lions are really looking at Best and if they are able to land him, Smith will split carries. He's not explosive but he has skills and is a great receiver out of the backfield.I think he's a hold now. Why sell low?

Depends on how you look at it. It's the old get something for him while you can argument, better to be one step ahead than one step behind, etc. But I agree that the risk is there to sell too low on him.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

FWIW. KSmith's blog update on his progress:

My Time is Coming

Written By Kevin Smith March 24, 2010

My leg is feeling good and I think I’m right on schedule. I’m just taking it day-by-day, doing my rehab every day and lifting. It’s time to get back into it. Football season is going to come back around real fast.

Rehabbing a torn ACL focuses more on the little muscles that you don’t usually work on, the ones that get bypassed in the weight room. When you tear your ACL and can’t use your leg the definition in your leg and quad muscles shrinks very fast, like in two days. It’s a grind trying to build those muscles back up. The ACL is repaired, but you have to build the muscles back up to support the knee.

I’m working out with the team here in Detroit. I can do almost everything except run. I’m not even trying to run right now, though I know I could. It would probably make the knee swell up. I’m lifting weights and doing everything else I can do.

A lot of rehab is mental. It’s not painful, it’s more of a fatigue feeling in your muscles. There are no days off when you’re rehabbing a torn ACL and it can get to you if you let it. When I was in Miami I was working out with Kenny Phillips of the Giants, he also had knee surgery, and here I’m with the team, but when you do your rehab you go through it alone. I’m starting to like it, not in an anti-social way but just because it gets me ready to put up or shut up. I throw on my iPod and go to work. When I want to grind I put on Rick Ross or Lil Wayne, something with a motivational beat. As long as a song is blasting and the beat is banging, I’m getting it done.

My goal is to get to the point where I forget I had the surgery until someone reminds me. I’m very positive. I’m not glad that I tore my ACL but it has been a humbling experience. It put a lot in perspective for me as far as football goes and life. A lot of obstacles are going to come your way, especially in your career, and my career has just started. I want to be defined as the type of player who bounces back strong. I don’t want to just have a mediocre career. My goal is to bounce back and be stronger than ever, the best I’ve ever been.

It has really humbled me as far as work ethic. My first year I worked extremely hard to get into the league. After my second year I know I worked hard but I don’t think I took it to another level. In the NFL, every year you’re supposed to take it to another level. This has been an experience that lets me know, don’t take anything for granted. Now I have the chance to do what I’ve never done and I’ve never worked so hard. I want to get to 100 percent as fast as possible. I’m anxious to get back out on the field.

A lot of people have asked about my shoulder. I have not had surgery and I’m not going to. Right now it’s feeling healthy. I’ve been playing the game so long, you’ve got to know your body. Sometimes you know to just let something heal and get it stronger without surgery. It’s feeling good and I’m not limited in my lifting at all. There’s no timeline for my knee, I just know that I don’t want to waste a single day. I rehab with a purpose, every day I find the focus to get myself right.

My time is coming really soon.

LINK

 

[dmac37]

I love Smith's heart and toughness but I think the Lions realized that he is not an NFL bell cow back. I gave up on him after watching the Thanksgiving game where he went down with every little hand touch, maybe it was partially due to injuries but I had seen enough and he has never had enough speed.

I moved Smith, Palmer, and McGahee- all depth guys

for

McCoy and H. Ward

I think we have already seen Smith's ceiling but McCoy was worth taking a shot for his upside.

 

[JPeso]

He's worth a mid-to-late 2nd. I'd rather take a shot with the pick myself.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He's worth a mid-to-late 2nd. I'd rather take a shot with the pick myself.

Rookie Pick I hope

 

[doowain]

At his current value he's a hold. Situations like this is where FFers run into problems. Most bought him as a 3rd round pick in startups last year, so why jump ship for a mid to late 2nd round rookie pick because of an injury? If you do, you've lost your mind. He's still the #1 running back on his team. They didn't go after any big names in FA and we don't know for sure that they take a RB early in the draft. He's still young, which should lend to him bouncing back.

As for the poster that said the Lions obviously "don't see Kevin Smith as a bell cow back".....very few RBs in the league are true bell cow backs. That just doesn't exist anymore. BUT, prior to his injury, he was still on pace for nearly 320 touches. That's a high number of touches in this day and age of the RBBC.

Bottom line....no way I sell at his current value.

 

[FUBAR]

I love Smith's heart and toughness but I think the Lions realized that he is not an NFL bell cow back. I gave up on him after watching the Thanksgiving game where he went down with every little hand touch, maybe it was partially due to injuries but I had seen enough and he has never had enough speed.I moved Smith, Palmer, and McGahee- all depth guysforMcCoy and H. Ward I think we have already seen Smith's ceiling but McCoy was worth taking a shot for his upside.

what was that guy thinking?I just drafted Lynch ahead of him, he went immediately afterwards, round 8 in a 12 team non-IDP league.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

At his current value he's a hold. Situations like this is where FFers run into problems. Most bought him as a 3rd round pick in startups last year, so why jump ship for a mid to late 2nd round rookie pick because of an injury? If you do, you've lost your mind. He's still the #1 running back on his team. They didn't go after any big names in FA and we don't know for sure that they take a RB early in the draft. He's still young, which should lend to him bouncing back.As for the poster that said the Lions obviously "don't see Kevin Smith as a bell cow back".....very few RBs in the league are true bell cow backs. That just doesn't exist anymore. BUT, prior to his injury, he was still on pace for nearly 320 touches. That's a high number of touches in this day and age of the RBBC.Bottom line....no way I sell at his current value.

The problem isn't JUST the injury. The problem is that he wasn't great to begin with. He was a solid backup or a low-end starter NFL RB. But now that he has the bum knee and he'll inevitably lose a little bit for the upcoming year, I'm not sure he'll be good enough to keep his starting gig. He was running at a 3.4 YPC clip before the injury last year. That's not all on him, and he does have some good all-around game, but he's just not a scary runner, and the team probably needs to (and will) upgrade this year. The additional problem for Smith is that it probably won't even take a big investment to find a guy at least as good or better (in terms of running - Smith might still be a reliable option on 3rds and a good change of pace). There are still a lot of (cheap) FA options out there, and a fairly deep if not spectacular rookie class.So the question is, do you take the pittance you are going to get for him at this point, or wait and hope for more, but likely get nothing later. I'd be tempted to cut bait myself if you can find a trade partner.

 

[DoctorFantasy]

At his current value he's a hold. Situations like this is where FFers run into problems. Most bought him as a 3rd round pick in startups last year, so why jump ship for a mid to late 2nd round rookie pick because of an injury? If you do, you've lost your mind. He's still the #1 running back on his team. They didn't go after any big names in FA and we don't know for sure that they take a RB early in the draft. He's still young, which should lend to him bouncing back.As for the poster that said the Lions obviously "don't see Kevin Smith as a bell cow back".....very few RBs in the league are true bell cow backs. That just doesn't exist anymore. BUT, prior to his injury, he was still on pace for nearly 320 touches. That's a high number of touches in this day and age of the RBBC.Bottom line....no way I sell at his current value.

Kevin Smith was a Matt Millen pick and did not like it when they moved up in the 3rd round to take him in 2008. Even at that time, I told my draft buddies there were better backs on the board including Jamal Charles, Steve Slaton, Tashard Choice, and Jalen Parmele. Being local to Detroit and extensively watching Lions games and highlights, my suspicions have been mostly true. Will admit that his pass catching ability has been a surprise and his attitude has been great. However, even before his ACL reconstruction or separated shoulder, he was a well below average NFL caliber starting running back (at best) and the latest injuries will do nothing to enhance his talents or abilities. I would recommend selling if you can get something of worth. If not, the only option is to hold and pray the situation improves – However, I fully expect the Lions to draft a 2nd/3rd round running back so beware of holding.

 

[pretender]

I am taking a chance on him - I think his upside is higher than some may think. I just traded for him in a 14 team dynasty. I traded 1.14 and 3.09 for Collie and Kevin Smith - basically I look at the 3.09 as for Smith and the 1.14 for Collie.

I don't need him to be a starter I have Turner and Ray Rice - so I am taking a chance on him. Bought low and see if it pays off.

Helps the guy who traded with me as he is totally rebuilding his team and needs the draft picks.

 

[TheFanatic]

He's my third RB in a salary cap league. I'm sitting on him. I've had no offers and have made no offers with the guy...

 

[LBH]

I have him in a lot of leagues. Id rather just see what happens than move him for a 2nd or 3rd rd rookie pick. I think hes going to have a more significant role than a lot of people seem to think, but ill reserve judgement until i see what type of RB detroit goes for in the draft. If its a small scat back type i think Smith will still have some decent value. If they draft a bigger back then I wont like that very much as a Smith dynasty owner

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He has a role in Detroit going forward if he comes back from the knee injury. I think the Lions are really looking at Best and if they are able to land him, Smith will split carries. He's not explosive but he has skills and is a great receiver out of the backfield.I think he's a hold now. Why sell low?

Depends on how you look at it. It's the old get something for him while you can argument, better to be one step ahead than one step behind, etc. But I agree that the risk is there to sell too low on him.

What are you going to get for him? I know that's what you're asking us but that's really the question you need to ask yourself. You aren't going to get anything for this guy that's worth what you might get if you hold on to him and he comes back healthy.Everyone knows about his injury and the fact that the Lions are going to look to get another RB to share carries. However, that pick could be a 3rd or 4th rounder and that could easily be a bust pick leaving the door wide open again for Smith.The Lions appear to be inching in the right direction and K. Smith is a decent back so I'd hold unless you're in a league where some of his relatives are playing and they're willing to give up more than this guy is worth at this time.

 

[CaGamblers]

I traded Kevin Smith last week in my 12 team dynasty PPR league straight-up for Wes Welker