Tie-Break Help (1 Viewer)

[Eraser]

Thanks for the input.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Next year change it to Total Points for the 2nd tiebreaker.

Conference record is useless compared to Total Points.

 

[Val Rannous]

Our rules state that the tie breaks work like this:

1. Head to head (must be conclusive)

2. Division record (only for division championship, ignore for wildcard)

3. Total Points

4. Scoring Points (remove all yardage and defensive speciality points from total points)

5. Coin Flip

In 19 years of running our league this has worked perfectly.

Val

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

This problem is brewing in a league I run. Of course, it involves my team. I won't say which of the 2 choices will propel my team into the play-offs. If 50 votes are tallied, I will use this thread as my basis for decision.For the record, the tie-break rules Read:1. Head to Head2. Conference Record3. Most Points Scored4. Most Points Against* *Team with more points against them, will get inThanks in Advance!!

You have to go with the wording of your rules.#2 is Conference record. Doesn't say that they have to be in the same conference.Should be open and shut.Now if you had a different INTENT of that, or what to qualify it for next year, by all means change it. In February.

 

[Eraser]

Thing is, I really had no intent with the rules. I am a fill-in commish for the season (as orig. commish was in serious car accident an was not available to perfom duties in a timely matter).....basically I am a 1 year fill-in and have no past history to go by.

 

[Bri]

This problem is brewing in a league I run. Of course, it involves my team. I won't say which of the 2 choices will propel my team into the play-offs. If 50 votes are tallied, I will use this thread as my basis for decision.For the record, the tie-break rules Read:1. Head to Head2. Conference Record3. Most Points Scored4. Most Points Against* *Team with more points against them, will get inThanks in Advance!!

You have to go with the wording of your rules.#2 is Conference record. Doesn't say that they have to be in the same conference.Should be open and shut.Now if you had a different INTENT of that, or what to qualify it for next year, by all means change it. In February.

I agree with Jeff.I would hate to be out by a tiebreaker. I played in a league once where there were a bunch of games week 14(all ties played each other) and I just loved that setup. If you were in a 3 way tie, you played 3 maybe 4 games in one week. It seemed super confusing initially but it really was nothing. Leagues vote, leagues ask the board for help every year, I'd rather an actual W or L over losing a discussion or vote.

 

[SwampDawg]

Our tie breakers go:

Head to Head record (in the event of a three way or more tie, if one team has beaten all the others head to head that team is in)

Division record (for ties within the division)

Total points scored (most points wins)

CBS Sportsline power rankings

Total points against (highest points against wins as they played the harder schedule)

Flip of a coin

 

[Dave Stauff]

You ask "should" conference record be used as tiebreaker if the teams are in different conferences. The answer is "No, it shouldn't", not even as the last tiebreaker on the list. HOWEVER, your rules state it will, so you have to go with what your rules state. Fix it next year

 

[Eraser]

You ask "should" conference record be used as tiebreaker if the teams are in different conferences. The answer is "No, it shouldn't", not even as the last tiebreaker on the list. HOWEVER, your rules state it will, so you have to go with what your rules state. Fix it next year

Why the ? You don't know which side of this argument my team is on.

 

[Swamprat]

Put me in the "Conference Record should not be a tie breaker for teams in different conferences, but your rules say it is the second tie breaker so therefore follow your rules" category.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Why is conference record even affecting anything? The whole concept of a conference means that teams in each side can not play against each other in the playoffs until the Championship.

 

[glumpy]

For the record, I'm with Swamprat regarding the rule in question...

Why is conference record even affecting anything? The whole concept of a conference means that teams in each side can not play against each other in the playoffs until the Championship.

I'm not so sure that most leagues are run this way. Sure--that's the point of conferences in the 'real world', but in the leagues I've seen it's more used for scheduling simplicity, and only relates to which teams play each other once vs twice.

 

[salmonstud]

Thanks in Advance!!

You have to go with the wording of your rules.#2 is Conference record. Doesn't say that they have to be in the same conference.

Should be open and shut.

Now if you had a different INTENT of that, or what to qualify it for next year, by all means change it. In February.

This is exactly how I see it.Jeff - Edited to clean quotes.

 

[Marc Levin]

This problem is brewing in a league I run. Of course, it involves my team. I won't say which of the 2 choices will propel my team into the play-offs. If 50 votes are tallied, I will use this thread as my basis for decision.For the record, the tie-break rules Read:1. Head to Head2. Conference Record3. Most Points Scored4. Most Points Against* *Team with more points against them, will get inThanks in Advance!!

You have to go with the wording of your rules.#2 is Conference record. Doesn't say that they have to be in the same conference.Should be open and shut.Now if you had a different INTENT of that, or what to qualify it for next year, by all means change it. In February.

Agreed - I had voted no by accident, so you should switch one of those votes, but Jeff said it precisely - gotta go with the actual rules - there's no qualifier, so why read one into it as an interim commish?

 

[Righetti]

go by wording

change my vote from no to yes

 

[Eraser]

go by wordingchange my vote from no to yes

You guys obviously failed those tests that said "read carefully before answering"

 

[NoFBinLA]

It SHOULDN'T count -- but according to your wording it does. Deal with it this year (bummer for whomever gets left out) and change it for next.

Life goes on.

 

[PatsWillWin]

You have to follow the letter of the law. The rules do not specify a different set of tie-breakers for non-conference teams.

 

[turkishkamel]

looks like i'm vote 50. i voted yes (thats what the rules say), looks like the people say no. i'd change the rule next year.

did ya win?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

looks like i'm vote 50. i voted yes (thats what the rules say), looks like the people say no. i'd change the rule next year.did ya win?

The wording of the poll question is misleading in that it does not ask the right question.If you had asked "Should an interim commish abide by the current wording of the rulebook?", 80-90% would say yes.People reading no further than the poll question will answer "No" and move on.This is akin to asking "Do you really really LOVE football?" If 80% vote "No" as they may only like it or love it, but not really really LOVE it, then you report the results as "80% of people don't love football" or worse, "80% hate football", you're skewing results.

 

[ExtraPoint]

I dont know of any sport's league where a conference record matters outside the conference. Therefore, unless your league rules say otherwise, it should not matter outside the conference in your league. If two teams from two different conferences are in a tiebreaker, there is no comparable conference record, so only the league record counts.

I believe the intent of your tiebreaker was to be like the NFL. In the NFL, 6 teams from each conference get in (the conference record only matters for the conference). In your league, its obviously not like that else this wouldnt be a discussion.

Like in any contract or rulebook, the intent is more important than the wording. So as the Commish, go with the global intention of conference records here. The global intent for conference records is obviously not to be used for teams outside a conference anywhere that I've ever seen. So dont use it as such to break a tie between teams in different conferences.

 

[smcindoe]

Even a bad rule needs to be followed... you can't change it (as commish) after its already come into play.

 

[Marc Levin]

go by wordingchange my vote from no to yes

You guys obviously failed those tests that said "read carefully before answering"

Your thread title:

Poll: Tie-Break Help Your opinions will rule in this situation

Your poll question:

Can Conference Record Be Used As A Tie-Break...If Teams Are NOT In Same Conference??

You don't accurately descrbe the sitch until AFTER the poll. Your fault for mis-votes.And the answer here is obvious and should not be up for a SP vote. You have rules, and they are written in plain English - I'm willing to bet most of the voters didn't read your OP, or this poll would be lopsided in favor of "yes."

 

[PatsWillWin]

Gee I wonder which outcome would put you in the playoffs?

 

[Eraser]

Gee I wonder which outcome would put you in the playoffs?

After this many votes, I will come out and say it!You are a tool... ..... I'm in if the original rules (as stated) are followed. Owner was raising such a stink that I thought I would get others opinions. Sorry for asking other Footballguys for help! Feel free to crawl back in your hole now!

 

[Eraser]

looks like i'm vote 50. i voted yes (thats what the rules say), looks like the people say no. i'd change the rule next year.did ya win?

I lost the vote, but those who have commented lead me to believe I should have won!Damn Florida voters! With all the verying opinions here, this will make telling the owner even harder.

 

[Trey]

I think sometimes you have to read between the lines and discover the true intent of the rule...

Clearly, conference record is absolutely WORTHLESS if two teams are in different conferences.

This is where the necessary and proper clause should be used.

 

[stevegamer]

As a fill-in commish, you should try and find out what the intent of the rule was from the prior commish.

That said, I think 99% of the commishes would intend for it to be used within the same conference only.