Tie-breakers in weekly head to head (1 Viewer)

[panzerox]

In a league that rates your "coaching" by how few points you leave on the bench doesn't it seem seem odd that in case of a tie the team with the most points on the bench wins? To me it does and I've been burned by it twice. I think you should be punished for leaving more points on your bench not rewarded. At least I put my best team out.

How about leaving it a tie and have the tie-breaker be at the end of the season - I would rather be 11-1-1 than 11-2 - that 1/2 game lead could determine playoff elegibility/seeds etc. A tie at the end could be settled with div record, common opponents etc.

This is my 2nd year in this (my only) league and don't know what is common or standard in other leagues. Maybe I'm just a bit bitter and need to get over it and realize this is the way it is. Let me know if you think I'm wrong.

 

[Bluesbomber]

We put our bench players 1,2,3 With the player we have rated 1st first tiebreak etc. which allows depth to come into play occasinally. We went ot a decimal point scoring system a few years back and ties aare practically unheard of so most team just put the allotted MFL bench player as tiebreak but some still do the 1,2,3 in the notes section.

 

[3C's]

A tie is a tie. Tiebreakers should only come into play in the playoffs. Decimal scoring helps to prevent ties.

 

[TommyGilmore]

In a league that rates your "coaching" by how few points you leave on the bench doesn't it seem seem odd that in case of a tie the team with the most points on the bench wins?

Yes, that rule rewards owners who don't keep handcuffs or injured players.So, you get penalized for having Colston, Rhodes and Brad Johnson on your bench.

 

[The Jerk]

A tie is a tie. Tiebreakers should only come into play in the playoffs. Decimal scoring helps to prevent ties.

I don't understand what is so terrible about having a tie.

 

[theplayer11]

In a league that rates your "coaching" by how few points you leave on the bench doesn't it seem seem odd that in case of a tie the team with the most points on the bench wins? To me it does and I've been burned by it twice. I think you should be punished for leaving more points on your bench not rewarded. At least I put my best team out. How about leaving it a tie and have the tie-breaker be at the end of the season - I would rather be 11-1-1 than 11-2 - that 1/2 game lead could determine playoff elegibility/seeds etc. A tie at the end could be settled with div record, common opponents etc. This is my 2nd year in this (my only) league and don't know what is common or standard in other leagues. Maybe I'm just a bit bitter and need to get over it and realize this is the way it is. Let me know if you think I'm wrong.

use decimals, practically eliminates ties

 

[chuckmorris]

As others have already said use decimal scoring to reduce the likelihood of ties, and if there is a tie then live with it (with the exception of playoffs). I'm leery of any tie-breaking scheme that penalizes teams for leaving too many points on the bench. If you've got a great team across the board, you might be starting your best lineup and still leave a ton of points on the bench. In week 2 of my redraft league, my team put up 214.2, leaving 116.4 on the bench. I should be penalized for that? Even a coin flip makes more sense than that.

 

[dwashington]

We break ties by looking at total yards (pass + rec + rush).

It rewards the most productive team and takes out the freakiness factor of goal line TD's, Kickers and Defensive scoring.

 

[chuckmorris]

We break ties by looking at total yards (pass + rec + rush).It rewards the most productive team and takes out the freakiness factor of goal line TD's, Kickers and Defensive scoring.

Now THAT is a sensible approach, assuming you want to eliminate ties. It is at least based on the starting lineups, and that's got to be an improvement over looking at guys on the bench.

 

[GreenNGold]

We usually have a dance off.

 

[DropKick]

In a league that rates your "coaching" by how few points you leave on the bench doesn't it seem seem odd that in case of a tie the team with the most points on the bench wins? To me it does and I've been burned by it twice. I think you should be punished for leaving more points on your bench not rewarded. At least I put my best team out. How about leaving it a tie and have the tie-breaker be at the end of the season - I would rather be 11-1-1 than 11-2 - that 1/2 game lead could determine playoff elegibility/seeds etc. A tie at the end could be settled with div record, common opponents etc. This is my 2nd year in this (my only) league and don't know what is common or standard in other leagues. Maybe I'm just a bit bitter and need to get over it and realize this is the way it is. Let me know if you think I'm wrong.

Yes, that's one of the worst tie breakers I can imagine.I prefer to leave it a tie or to revert to actual NFL points; TDs 6, FG 3, etc.

 

[Keith R]

We leave it as a tie in the regular season. In postseason, we name a player on the starting lineup (not off the bench) whose point total is doubled if the game would otherwise end in a tie. If that is also a tie, the higher seed prevails.

 

[Wrigley]

Breaking a tie using bench scoring seems wrong. There is a reason they are on your bench.

We break ties with most Rushing/Receiving TD's.

 

[Varmint]

Our ties are broken by adding the yards from scrimmage from all postiion players (QB, RB's, WR/TE's)....PK and DEF/ST don't figure in.

IF...by some coincidental freak...the yardage of these 5 players from each team add up to the same number.....our second tie breaker simply puts emphasis on the positions.

QB vs. QB...if tied...

RB's vs. RB's......if the same....

WR/TE's vs. WR/TE's......

Now...if ALL the planets line up and each team has mirror yardage stats.....

Home field takes the tie.

Man, if THIS ever happens....it'll be one in a million!

 

[The Spaniard]

In our league, the team with more points scored by the kicker wins. This rule is almost as random as the actual NFL overtime rules... and similar in that NFL ties are almost always decided by the friggin' kicker.

Winners feel lucky and losers feel sick. Probably close to how it feels in real life.

 

[Godsbrother]

A tie is a tie. Tiebreakers should only come into play in the playoffs. Decimal scoring helps to prevent ties.

Since going to decimal scoring over 10 years ago our league has had 2 ties. We just leave 'em as ties for the regular season.

 

[two_dollars]

We usually have a dance off.

 

[houston]

A tie is a tie. Tiebreakers should only come into play in the playoffs. Decimal scoring helps to prevent ties.

Leave ties alone, why use goofy tiebreakers? We've had 12 ties in 8 years in a 12 team league, so just over 1 a year. We're not using decimal scoring, so we could always go to that if it really started to bother us.

 

[videoguy505]

Ties are fine in the regular season. Use decimals if you don't like it.

If you still insist on no ties and no decimals, use Coach Rating. That way a team with a high-scoring bench won't necessarily win.

Coach rating is the actual score's % of the best possible positional score.

So, for a simple example, in a league with starting rosters of 1QB, 1WR, 1K, 1D, and 2 bench players, a team that scored:

QB: 15

WR: 10

K: 9

D: 8

Bench (QB): 14

Bench (WR): 9

would have a coach rating of 100%, since he scored the most possible points from his roster (42).

While a team with

QB: 10

WR: 12

K: 8

D: 12

Bench (QB): 15

Bench (D): 15

Would have a coach rating of 89.3%, since he scored 42 of a possible 47 (should have swapped QBs and Ds).

This way, guys who handcuff aren't really disadvantaged, nor do coaches with benches stacked at high-scoring positions necessarily benefit in ties (a coach with handcuff RBs won't automatically lose a tie to a coach with 4 kickers on his bench).

 

[The Jerk]

Ties are fine in the regular season. Use decimals if you don't like it.If you still insist on no ties and no decimals, use Coach Rating. That way a team with a high-scoring bench won't necessarily win. Coach rating is the actual score's % of the best possible positional score.

I could agree with this if it resembled anything in actual football or if it didn't potentially reward teams for poor drafting and roster management. A team with very little depth will be potentially rewarded under this setup, and while one could argue that it's the same for everyone, the other way to look at it is that the team in the tie with the weaker bench already benefitted from lineup decisions. They shouldn't benefit twice.I still think a tie is the best indicator of how a specific close game ended, but if a league simply must eliminate them, and if bench points are not wanted, then go position by position until a difference is found.

 

[Pickle Rody]

We use ties during regular season. We use tiebreakers during playoffs. Playoff teams are required to list 2 additional players or team D's from their bench to be totaled in the event of a tie. High total advances. If that is tied, the highest individual score decides winner. If that is still atie, best regular season record advances.

 

[Ozymandias]

Since we went to centesimal scoring 8 years ago, we have never had a tie game. One game within 1/100 of a point, but never a tie.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Ties happen in the NFL... so no big reason not to have ties in fantasy football to. They really don't matter much in the regular season.

For the post season, we just have the higher seed win any tie they are in. (pseudo home field advantage)

simple, easy

(just add a couple notes on how 2-tie team's records relate to non-tie teams records for playoff placement and you're all set. ie. which is better 6-6 or 5-5-2 or are they same and you go down to your next playoff tie-breaker rule)

 

[fsufan]

A tie is a tie. Tiebreakers should only come into play in the playoffs. Decimal scoring helps to prevent ties.

ties are ties in my 3 leagues. we use the following to break ties in the playoffs1. decimal scoring2. head to head regular season3. total points scored regular season

 

[None_More_Black]

Ties happen in the NFL... so no big reason not to have ties in fantasy football to. They really don't matter much in the regular season.For the post season, we just have the higher seed win any tie they are in. (pseudo home field advantage)simple, easy(just add a couple notes on how 2-tie team's records relate to non-tie teams records for playoff placement and you're all set. ie. which is better 6-6 or 5-5-2 or are they same and you go down to your next playoff tie-breaker rule)

We do the same.

 

[Steeler43]

Some thoughts:

1. In the NFL, overtime is the tie-breaker, so using it in FF makes sense (not talking about a dozen tie-breakers).

2. I don't see what's wrong with the bench being the tie-breaker. Yes, sometimes your bench can score a lot of points because you screwed the lineup, but it means your overall team was better than your opponents'. In addition, you're rewarding depth.

 

[chuckmorris]

Some thoughts:1. In the NFL, overtime is the tie-breaker, so using it in FF makes sense (not talking about a dozen tie-breakers).2. I don't see what's wrong with the bench being the tie-breaker. Yes, sometimes your bench can score a lot of points because you screwed the lineup, but it means your overall team was better than your opponents'. In addition, you're rewarding depth.

I'm not sure how you go about having an "overtime" in FF, since the week's games are over at that point.The fact that your bench scored a lot of points doesn't necessarily mean you screwed up your lineup though. The example I gave back in post #7 is a good example. 214.2 points scored by the starting lineup, with 116.4 scored by the guys on the bench. True, I could have scored 18 points more by swapping one bench player for one starter, but it still would have left tons of points on the bench. That shouldn't be punished (as the OP suggested). It doesn't really say anything about your "coaching", though it is a decent indicator of depth. Regardless, I'm not a fan of using the bench in any way to resolve a tie. A team shouldn't be put at any more of a competitive disadvantage than they already are in any given week simply because they (for example) happen to have more guys sitting on their bench due to a bye than the other team has.

 

[The Spaniard]

In our league, the team with more points scored by the kicker wins. This rule is almost as random as the actual NFL overtime rules... and similar in that NFL ties are almost always decided by the friggin' kicker. Winners feel lucky and losers feel sick. Probably close to how it feels in real life.

Cruel joke... I actually lost in a tie this week because my kicker had fewer points. Un-be-lieve-a-ble