Tiebreaker mess (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Pack]

Ok in my league I have a potential tiebreaker mess. One Division 1 team is 6-6, the other 3 are 5-7. The Division records are nearly identical as well two at 3-2, two at 2-3. After this week I will have a tiebreaker issue no matter what (For 1st or second place) Our rules dictate:

H2H

Total Points scored H2H

Total Points scored all season.

My question is this, with 3 teams tied, you have to bypass H2H and go directly to Total Points Scored all season, right?

 

[Your Mom]

Yes. I don't think H2H scoring is a good tie breaker, but that's me. It should be H2H record, then Total points. Either way it will go to total points.

 

[Sarnoff]

Ok in my league I have a potential tiebreaker mess. One Division 1 team is 6-6, the other 3 are 5-7. The Division records are nearly identical as well two at 3-2, two at 2-3. After this week I will have a tiebreaker issue no matter what (For 1st or second place) Our rules dictate:H2HTotal Points scored H2HTotal Points scored all season.My question is this, with 3 teams tied, you have to bypass H2H and go directly to Total Points Scored all season, right?

I assume each team has played the others twice, right? If so, if one team is 2-0 vs. all the others, that team gets in by first tiebreaker. I know we had this happen a year or so ago, and our numbers guy worked it all out. I do recall it was likened to three snakes in a circle all eating the other's tail.

 

[Your Mom]

Ok in my league I have a potential tiebreaker mess. One Division 1 team is 6-6, the other 3 are 5-7. The Division records are nearly identical as well two at 3-2, two at 2-3. After this week I will have a tiebreaker issue no matter what (For 1st or second place) Our rules dictate:H2HTotal Points scored H2HTotal Points scored all season.My question is this, with 3 teams tied, you have to bypass H2H and go directly to Total Points Scored all season, right?

I assume each team has played the others twice, right? If so, if one team is 2-0 vs. all the others, that team gets in by first tiebreaker. I know we had this happen a year or so ago, and our numbers guy worked it all out. I do recall it was likened to three snakes in a circle all eating the other's tail.

But looking at the division records for these teams, it seems almost impossible for this to be the case.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

yet another reason why h2h is a horrible tiebreaker

 

[Mr.Pack]

Ok in my league I have a potential tiebreaker mess. One Division 1 team is 6-6, the other 3 are 5-7. The Division records are nearly identical as well two at 3-2, two at 2-3. After this week I will have a tiebreaker issue no matter what (For 1st or second place) Our rules dictate:H2HTotal Points scored H2HTotal Points scored all season.My question is this, with 3 teams tied, you have to bypass H2H and go directly to Total Points Scored all season, right?

I assume each team has played the others twice, right? If so, if one team is 2-0 vs. all the others, that team gets in by first tiebreaker. I know we had this happen a year or so ago, and our numbers guy worked it all out. I do recall it was likened to three snakes in a circle all eating the other's tail.

But looking at the division records for these teams, it seems almost impossible for this to be the case.

After this weekend all teams will have played each other twice, and only one team has beaten one other team both times. No team is 6-0 vs the other 3, and there is no chance it can happen.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Your first issue is that you haven't clarified if you're going to use these procedures on 3-way ties. (i.e., will you use "H2H2H" as the first tiebreaker?)

Another issue is that you haven't clarified exactly how the 3 way tie would be broken. In the NFL, it would work like this (assuming H2H doesn't apply):

1. the team with least points is eliminated first

2. break tie between remaining 2 teams.

But other fantasy leagues do it this way:

1. team with most points is declared winner

 

[Sarnoff]

Checked the 07 season, we had 3 teams finish 6-7, tied for the 3rd and final divisional playoff spot.

Each of the three teams had won a season series vs. one of the other two, and lost a season series to the other, so they tied for the H2H tiebreaker. Only then did we move on to the next tiebreaker.

Anyway, point is, you still have to use H2H, and it's a little tough to figure out. You might want to post up the final standings here next week and we can try to walk through it.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yes. If one guy is 4-0 versus the other 2, then he wins under your tiebreak.

Also, if Teams A and B are both 2-0 versus Team C then you could look to their H2H results, and then their points scored H2H, to resolve the issue.

If none of that is true, then just go by total points.

Incidentally, I think H2H tiebreakers are kind of stupid, anyway. It makes sense when you're talking real teams and there's some real value in saying that Team A was better than Team B on such and such day. But in fantasy sports, a H2H matchup is just, well, fantasy. You aren't game-planning for the other team and how much you score is completely independent of how much they score. Total points is the best tiebreak to use regardless.

I guess I am coming around to this. I have always been of the thought that H2H was the way to start a tiebreaker. Maybe Total points Scored for the whole season should be #1. My brother keeps nagging about starting with Div. Record as the first Tie Breaker. I think that should be in there, but going to Total points scored takes away any headaches and is a truer measure of your team.

 

[PosterNutBag]

The OP needs to explain the situation better. Are these teams all in the same division? It kinf of sounds that way, but it isn't clear.

If they are all in the same division then H2H could possibly be conclusive. That is since the division teams should have played each other twice, their collective H2H records will total 4 games. You could make the interpretation that if one team has a superior H2H record then that team wins the tiebreakers (likewise you could eliminate a team from the tiebreaker if two teams are tied with the top H2H among the 3 teams and one has a worse collective H2H record).

3-way tiebreakers in general are only tough to break if you have the teams in different divisions not playing the same amount of games. If that is the case for you, then the only way I see H2H as being possibly conclusive is if one of the teams is undefeated against the other 2 teams in the tiebreaker.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Your first issue is that you haven't clarified if you're going to use these procedures on 3-way ties. (i.e., will you use "H2H2H" as the first tiebreaker?)

Another issue is that you haven't clarified exactly how the 3 way tie would be broken. In the NFL, it would work like this (assuming H2H doesn't apply):

1. the team with least points is eliminated first

2. break tie between remaining 2 teams.

But other fantasy leagues do it this way:

1. team with most points is declared winner

You think after being commish for 9 years I'd have this down.

 

[gethugefast1]

Yahoo:

Tiebreak System

Last Updated: November 15, 2009

In the event of a tie between two contestants in the same league at the end of the contest, a tiebreak system will be used. The exact system will depend on your league type and the league's particular settings (that is, if the league has chosen to use a playoff system, it will affect how ties are broken).

If, at the end of the season, two or more teams in a non-division league finish with the same overall record, the following system will be used to break the tie:

Overall winning percentage.

Fantasy points scored.

Fantasy points scored in Week 17.

Fantasy points scored in Week 16.

Fantasy points scored in Week 15.

Fantasy points scored in Week 14.

Fantasy points scored in Week 13.

Fantasy points scored in Week 12.

And so on.

If, at the end of the season, two or more teams in a division finish with the same overall record, the following system will be used to decide the division winner:

Overall winning percentage.

Division winning percentage.

Fantasy points scored.

Fantasy points scored in Week 17.

Fantasy points scored in Week 16.

Fantasy points scored in Week 15.

Fantasy points scored in Week 14.

Fantasy points scored in Week 13.

Fantasy points scored in Week 12.

And so on.

If, at the end of the season, the two division winners or any wild card teams finish with the same overall record, the following system will be used to break the tie:

Overall winning percentage.

Fantasy points scored.

Fantasy points scored in Week 17.

Fantasy points scored in Week 16.

Fantasy points scored in Week 15.

Fantasy points scored in Week 14.

Fantasy points scored in Week 13.

Fantasy points scored in Week 12.

And so on.

If, at the end of the season, two or more players in a points league finish with the same overall total, the following system will be used to break the tie:

Fantasy points scored in Week 17.

Fantasy points scored in Week 16.

Fantasy points scored in Week 15.

Fantasy points scored in Week 14.

Fantasy points scored in Week 13.

Fantasy points scored in Week 12.

And so on.

In the event that a playoff game ends in a tie, the deadlock will be broken using the following system:

Most touchdowns scored by entire starting roster.

Most fantasy points by starting quarterback(s).

Most fantasy points by starting defensive team(s).

Most fantasy points by starting defensive player(s).

Most fantasy points by starting defensive back(s).

Most fantasy points by starting defensive linemen.

Most fantasy points by starting wide receiver(s).

Most fantasy points by starting running back(s).

Most fantasy points by starting tight end(s).

Most fantasy points by starting kicker(s).

NOTES:

When breaking a tie in a playoff game, the only statistics used will be from that specific game.

All touchdowns scored by the team (passing, rushing, receiving and defensive) will be counted in the playoff tiebreaker.

For any end-of-season ties, the final week of your league's regular season will be the first week used to break the deadlock.

For any tie where a weekly point total comes in to play, only those weeks where all teams involved in the tie received fantasy points will be considered.

 

[PosterNutBag]

In the NFL, it would work like this (assuming H2H doesn't apply):

1. the team with least points is eliminated first

2. break tie between remaining 2 teams.

Not true

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in conference games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

 

[TommyGilmore]

In the NFL, it would work like this (assuming H2H doesn't apply):

1. the team with least points is eliminated first

2. break tie between remaining 2 teams.

Not true

I wasn't talking about the specific tiebreakers, I was talking about the method of breaking a tie. In the NFL, the lowest team(s) are always eliminated first, before breaking the tie between the final 2 teams.However, in many fantasy leagues, a 3-way tie is broken by simply choosing the top team first.