Tiger Woods (5 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

There is also the first 45 seconds of this video. He specifically states 4 times a year is the goal and he uses the other tournaments to prepare for the majors.

Seems none of those quotes said he does not care at all about the other tournaments and its only about the majors.

Yes...his focus is the majors...his main goal...but bolded where he talks about the others with the majors and not as if they are just nothing.

What you bolded was followed with an "and win more major wins that anyone else in the same year, then it's been a good year." So by Tiger's own definition he's had not good years for 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and possibly 2013.

Also did you watch the video?

I try and peak 4 times a year. I try and peak for those for majors, and uh every event I enter is to win. So, you know I use the other tournaments as....um...yeah you try and win 'em and I have won tournaments in the past, but in the end I'm trying to get mind, body, and spirit all to come together for 4 weeks a year. If I get in for those 16 days, I think I'm going to have a pretty good career.

Interviewer: So 18 majors what would that mean to you?

TW: "I think that's the Holy Grail of our sport."

Yes...its followed by an and...meaning those other tournaments mean something as well (my point was that its not all just the majors on their own...like some here keep insinuating).

 

[Apple Jack]

JFC. Dumbest talking point ever.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Give it up, folks. You're never gonna convince the haters that there were wrong and Tiger is "back." This is just like the "LeBron is a choker" thing. Whenever the athlete does anything contrary to the haters' position, the haters just move the goalposts. Even after LeBron won a championship last year the haters were lining up to call him a choker when the Heat fell behind the Pacers and the Spurs. And even after Tiger wins another major in the next year or two, the haters will still line up to say he's not "back" the next time he finishes well back at a major. You can't win arguments with people like that, all you can do is laugh.

Moving the goalposts? Lol, who is moving the goalposts? The original post was:

He's done. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Looks like The Gold Bear might be out of the woods.

I take that as 2 predictions: Tiger will still be good but not invincible and Tiger won't break Jack's record. I consider the first a miss as Tiger is still the most dominant golfer in the world. I consider the second prediction as accurate until Tiger beats Jack. But whatever, I guess I'm just a hater eh?

If you say so. Although I didn't call you that in my post, which didn't mention anyone by name. There's plenty of obvious haters in here; I have no idea whether or not you're one of them.

I will say this- I think it's kinda weird that people talk about his majors drought as if he was healthy and playing in all the majors the last 5+ years.

 

[Statcruncher]

Yes...its followed by an and...meaning those other tournaments mean something as well (my point was that its not all just the majors on their own...like some here keep insinuating).

I try and peak 4 times a year. I try and peak for those for majors, and uh every event I enter is to win. So, you know I use the other tournaments as....um...yeah you try and win 'em and I have won tournaments in the past, but in the end I'm trying to get mind, body, and spirit all to come together for 4 weeks a year. If I get in for those 16 days, I think I'm going to have a pretty good career.

How important does he make those other tournaments sound? Sounds like practice to me. He's just so ridiculously good he can win practice rounds against the best golfers in the world. Don't get me wrong, he wants to win every tournament, but non-majors clearly are way less important to Tiger as evidenced by his quotes.

 

[Statcruncher]

I will say this- I think it's kinda weird that people talk about his majors drought as if he was healthy and playing in all the majors the last 5+ years.

Whether Tiger was/is healthy or not has nothing to do with Finless' prediction that Tiger won't beat Jack's record. When the prediction was made in 2009 Tiger had 14 majors and was on pace for 18 by around 2012. It's now 2013 and Tiger still has 14 majors.

And lol at Apple Jack. As always making strong contributions to every thread he's ever graced.

 

[Otis]

JFC. Dumbest talking point ever.

That's most of this thread.

I tried to preface it with a "regardless, the thread topic is unrelated to what Tiger wants," but here we are with two more pages of stuff I ain't readin.'

 

[Statcruncher]

but here we are with two more pages of stuff I ain't readin.'

You asked a question and I provided multiple quotes that answer your question. Being ignorant is sometimes a choice. And you don't think Tiger wanting major victories more than anything else in his career and going on an unprecedented (for him) dry spell isn't pertinent to his ability to break Jack's record?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I will say this- I think it's kinda weird that people talk about his majors drought as if he was healthy and playing in all the majors the last 5+ years.

Whether Tiger was/is healthy or not has nothing to do with Finless' prediction that Tiger won't beat Jack's record. When the prediction was made in 2009 Tiger had 14 majors and was on pace for 18 by around 2012. It's now 2013 and Tiger still has 14 majors.

And lol at Apple Jack. As always making strong contributions to every thread he's ever graced.

Sure, I guess. I wasn't really talking about Finless, I was just talking generally about people who think he's lost 23 majors in a row or whatever it is. He's been 100% for maybe 10 if them and didn't even play in some.

FWIW, Jack won one major at 38, two at 40 and one at 46. And he wasn't exactly in the same physical condition as Tiger in his late 30s and 40s, so IMO Tiger has plenty of time. Better than 50/50 shot IMO. I figure he's maybe 5-1 in the average major over the next 7 or 8 years at least, barring injury, the yips or a huge upgrade in the quality of competition.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He's done. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Looks like The Gold Bear might be out of the woods.

I take that as 2 predictions: Tiger will still be good but not invincible and Tiger won't break Jack's record. I consider the first a miss as Tiger is still the most dominant golfer in the world. Those saying he wins ham and egger tournies are knuckleheads. I consider the second prediction as accurate until Tiger beats Jack. But whatever, I guess I'm just a hater eh?

This. Except that I don't think Tiger actually has to beat Jack for the second part to be wrong. He just has to credibly threaten 18.

 

[Apple Jack]

You're new to the thread. There have been a couple knucklesraggers trying to make his strong play and winning elite field events into a 20 handicapper winning winning the d flight in the Paramus amateur. Alligning with them is not advisable. They let talking heads dictate their opinions and think it's reasonable for everybody to have the same expectations for tiger as he has for himself. Just a heads up...everybody out there has high expectations for themselves. That's how they got there.

 

[Joe T]

#1 in the world, wow he must be awful.

for the haters, do you have any doubt in your mind that Tiger will surpass Jacks record now?

I'm no hater but I have doubts. He won zero majors in his mid-thirties, I don't expect him to win five in his late thirties and forties.

hater

 

[Joe T]

Anyone else think Nike hired McIlroy just to put him on their crappy clubs and give Tiger more of a chance to win tournaments?

 

[Jayrok]

He's done. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Looks like The Gold Bear might be out of the woods.

I take that as 2 predictions: Tiger will still be good but not invincible and Tiger won't break Jack's record. I consider the first a miss as Tiger is still the most dominant golfer in the world. Those saying he wins ham and egger tournies are knuckleheads. I consider the second prediction as accurate until Tiger beats Jack. But whatever, I guess I'm just a hater eh?

If anyone is moving the goalposts it's the fanboys who trumpet every tournament win with glee yet seem to gloss over the huge streak of major that slips by unwon.

1. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Absolutely agree that he's lost the fear factor he had pre-2009. And he's certainly very competitive. Good prediction, although he is much better than just "competitive".

2. Looks like the Gold Bear might be out of the woods. This is not a prediction by the OP. He simply is saying it appears (to him) that Jack's record "might" be safe. Where is the prediction that Tiger won't break the record? Although he may have placed bets in subsequent pages in the thread. I haven't read the whole thread.

Edit to add: OP said "he's done." Terrible prediction there as Tiger is far from done. He's the #1 golfer in the world.

 

[AAABatteries]

1. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Absolutely agree that he's lost the fear factor he had pre-2009. And he's certainly very competitive. Good prediction, although he is much better than just "competitive".

I think if he wins this week to back up the 7 shot victory at the last tourney that he may start regaining some of that fear factor. Players still talk about playing with Tiger being a different experience than they ever encounter. I don't think he ever gets back to that same level but he has a chance to get really close. What's interesting to me is to think about him winning 4-5 tourneys every year for a few more years but not getting to 18 majors. Say he gets to 100 wins total. I think you'll have those saying he couldn't close the deal in majors later in his career but my god, winning 100 tournaments would be unreal.

 

[Jayrok]

1. He'll be competitive but he lost the fear factor. Absolutely agree that he's lost the fear factor he had pre-2009. And he's certainly very competitive. Good prediction, although he is much better than just "competitive".

I think if he wins this week to back up the 7 shot victory at the last tourney that he may start regaining some of that fear factor. Players still talk about playing with Tiger being a different experience than they ever encounter. I don't think he ever gets back to that same level but he has a chance to get really close. What's interesting to me is to think about him winning 4-5 tourneys every year for a few more years but not getting to 18 majors. Say he gets to 100 wins total. I think you'll have those saying he couldn't close the deal in majors later in his career but my god, winning 100 tournaments would be unreal.

I agree. Breaking Sneed's total win record is amazing. I don't know if he'll win more majors than Jack, but IMO he's the best to have played the game... and he'll add to that legacy before he's really done.

 

[zoonation]

He's clearly the best in the world again. But he also is clearly choking on weekends in majors. A long way from scaring the field. His opponents view him as totally beatable whereas they used to all just crumble around him when he got in contention.

The WBC event is far from a ham and egger. He's won a few big tourneys this year, on courses he always performs well at (excepting Sawgrass). All good fields too. But let's not pretend that they are close to a major championship. The argument that because they have deep fields makes them like majors is ridiculous. It is the pressure of the major that makes it what it is. And, right now, Tiger is having a very tough time dealing with it. Dominant Tiger ate pressure for breakfast.

He's obviously not close to done. But his dominance is tied to his performance in majors. No one is going to say someone dominates the tour when they dont win at least one major that year.

I thought for sure he'd bust through at Murifield. He was hitting it so good. He's now got one shot left in 2013. He is the heavy favorite. If he doesn't win, his year will be considered disappointing by many, including himself.

If Mickleson, Scott or Rose win they run away with player of the year.

 

[Joe T]

The WBC is also an event that Tiger loves and a course that sets up well for him (obviously). I don't think it proves he is back by any stretch.

 

[Otis]

but here we are with two more pages of stuff I ain't readin.'

You asked a question and I provided multiple quotes that answer your question. Being ignorant is sometimes a choice. And you don't think Tiger wanting major victories more than anything else in his career and going on an unprecedented (for him) dry spell isn't pertinent to his ability to break Jack's record?

Yes, I think the desires of Tiger Woods are not relevant to the question of whether Tiger Woods -- the unquestioned best golfer in the world and #1 in the rankings -- is "finished."

 

[Otis]

OP said "he's done." Terrible prediction there as Tiger is far from done. He's the #1 golfer in the world.

This has been exactly my point. The discussion ends there, the rest is noise.

 

[Joe T]

OP said "he's done." Terrible prediction there as Tiger is far from done. He's the #1 golfer in the world.

This has been exactly my point. The discussion ends there, the rest is noise.

OP said "he's done." Terrible prediction there as Tiger is far from done. He's the #1 golfer in the world.

This has been exactly my point. The discussion ends there, the rest is noise.

Care to wager it up?

 

[Otis]

The WBC is also an event that Tiger loves and a course that sets up well for him (obviously). I don't think it proves he is back by any stretch.

What about all the other tournaments he's won this year? What about the fact that he's #1? What about the way he didn't just win but completely manhandled the field at WBC?

Nobody is saying he's "back" or "not done" just because he won this tournament. We were saying that before this tournament, and he keeps giving us reasons to reaffirm it.

 

[Joe T]

The WBC is also an event that Tiger loves and a course that sets up well for him (obviously). I don't think it proves he is back by any stretch.

What about all the other tournaments he's won this year? What about the fact that he's #1? What about the way he didn't just win but completely manhandled the field at WBC?

Nobody is saying he's "back" or "not done" just because he won this tournament. We were saying that before this tournament, and he keeps giving us reasons to reaffirm it.

I can't disagree with anything you've just said. I was just sick of hearing "Look, he won the WBC against a great field, it's obvious he's back." The WBC is a little different because he loves that course and has won it already 18 or so times no matter what the field is that's playing.

He may be back now... he's definitely not "done". I just think a few people were getting carried away with all the look at the WBC chatter.

And yes, I realize 97% of this thread is schtick.

 

[eurotrashman]

@PGAChampionship: "Tiger Woods is a great motivator for me. He brings the best out of me." - Phil Mickelson #PGAChamp

 

[Otis]

@PGAChampionship: "Tiger Woods is a great motivator for me. He brings the best out of me." - Phil Mickelson #PGAChamp

Whether you call it "fear factor" or a "motivator" or something else, it's pretty clear that every other player in the PGA right now has a bead on Tiger Woods and knows exactly what he is up to at any time.

 

[17seconds]

6 wins in 13 tournaments this year, #1 in the world, #1 in FedEx points. Destroyed the field last week.

Anyone who doesn't think he's got several majors coming is the definition of a hater

 

[JuniorNB]

@PGAChampionship: "Tiger Woods is a great motivator for me. He brings the best out of me." - Phil Mickelson #PGAChamp

Whether you call it "fear factor" or a "motivator" or something else, it's pretty clear that every other player in the PGA right now has a bead on Tiger Woods and knows exactly what he is up to at any time.

Too bad this wasn't happening about five years ago. Someone could have filled his wife in.

 

[Joe T]

:rimshot:

 

[drummer]

Anyone else think Nike hired McIlroy just to put him on their crappy clubs and give Tiger more of a chance to win tournaments?

Junior.

 

[Statcruncher]

but here we are with two more pages of stuff I ain't readin.'

You asked a question and I provided multiple quotes that answer your question. Being ignorant is sometimes a choice. And you don't think Tiger wanting major victories more than anything else in his career and going on an unprecedented (for him) dry spell isn't pertinent to his ability to break Jack's record?

Yes, I think the desires of Tiger Woods are not relevant to the question of whether Tiger Woods -- the unquestioned best golfer in the world and #1 in the rankings -- is "finished."

Why do you keep popping back to "finished" when that is neither the topic I'm addressing or a Finless prediction? Finless said "he's done" (not finished) and I have clearly stated I think he's wrong and that Tiger is the most dominant golfer in the game.

You questioned Tiger's favoring of majors (which is relevant to Fin's second prediction, Jack's major record) so I provided several instances where Tiger discussed majors. Rather than respond you simply ignore it and jump back to misquoting "finished". You do know that Fin's first prediction can be wrong but the second is currently and may possibly be eternally correct, right? It's odd to see your irrational posting behavior in this thread as overall you've always seemed to be a pretty levelheaded poster.

 

[drummer]

So we're back to basing Tiger's career on the word of Finless?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

 

[Apple Jack]

Well, the greens are already up to 11+ two days before tournament play and he spent a bunch of time talking putting with Stricker yesterday. I take back my suggestion that the smart money is on the field. The smart money stays away from any bet related to Tiger, for or against, this week. Hard to pick against him, but the odds are going to be way out of whack.

 

[drummer]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

Log back in as Junior.

 

[Statcruncher]

So we're back to basing Tiger's career on the word of Finless?

No, this thread is about 2 things: Fin's prediction that Tiger is just competitive (wrong) and that Jack is out of the woods (right for now but alot of time left).

If you want to base Tiger's career on something, here is what Tiger would base it on:

You can win all the tournaments you want, but the majors are what you're remembered for. It's how you're measured as a champion in our sport. The majors are where it's at.

Which means in his mind he's currently the 2nd best to ever play the game. But he has a decent chance of becoming the greatest ever.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the

planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

Log back in as Junior.

Huh?

 

[drummer]

So we're back to basing Tiger's career on the word of Finless?

No, this thread is about 2 things: Fin's prediction that Tiger is just competitive (wrong) and that Jack is out of the woods (right for now but alot of time left).

If you want to base Tiger's career on something, here is what Tiger would base it on:

You can win all the tournaments you want, but the majors are what you're remembered for. It's how you're measured as a champion in our sport. The majors are where it's at.

Which means he's currently the 2nd best to ever play the game with a decent chance of becoming the greatest ever.

The second quote can used by anybody in any sport, using Super Bowls, NBA championships, etc, in place of tournaments. That's weak to base a thread on.

 

[Statcruncher]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the

planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

Log back in as Junior.

Huh?

He means rather than refute your post with a well-thought out and civil opinion he'd rather whip out his go to, a wicked burn!

 

[drummer]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the

planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

Log back in as Junior.

Huh?

I'm slotting the shtick here.

 

[drummer]

Without a doubt Tiger is the best golfer on the

planet that hasn't won a major in the last five years. And it isn't close.

Log back in as Junior.

Huh?

He means rather than refute your post with a well-thought out and civil opinion he'd rather whip out his go to, a wicked burn!

Once again, I'm slotting the shtick here. If you call that a wicked burn, I'll slot your response accordingly too.

 

[Statcruncher]

So we're back to basing Tiger's career on the word of Finless?

No, this thread is about 2 things: Fin's prediction that Tiger is just competitive (wrong) and that Jack is out of the woods (right for now but alot of time left).

If you want to base Tiger's career on something, here is what Tiger would base it on:

You can win all the tournaments you want, but the majors are what you're remembered for. It's how you're measured as a champion in our sport. The majors are where it's at.

Which means he's currently the 2nd best to ever play the game with a decent chance of becoming the greatest ever.

The second quote can used by anybody in any sport, using Super Bowls, NBA championships, etc, in place of tournaments. That's weak to base a thread on.

lolz

 

[drummer]

So we're back to basing Tiger's career on the word of Finless?

No, this thread is about 2 things: Fin's prediction that Tiger is just competitive (wrong) and that Jack is out of the woods (right for now but alot of time left).

If you want to base Tiger's career on something, here is what Tiger would base it on:

You can win all the tournaments you want, but the majors are what you're remembered for. It's how you're measured as a champion in our sport. The majors are where it's at.

Which means he's currently the 2nd best to ever play the game with a decent chance of becoming the greatest ever.

The second quote can used by anybody in any sport, using Super Bowls, NBA championships, etc, in place of tournaments. That's weak to base a thread on.

lolz

:slotted:

 

[Apple Jack]

It's like a Skip Bayless nightmare in here.

 

[drummer]

It's like a Skip Finless nightmare in here.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

If Tiger coughs up a lead this weekend, can we all agree the major pressure affects him in a way that it never did prior to his 5-year drought?

 

[drummer]

If Tiger coughs up a lead this weekend, can we all agree the major pressure affects him in a way that it never did prior to his 5-year drought?

Last Major he won was on a fractured leg and bad knee dueling with Rocco on an extra 19 holes.

 

[Apple Jack]

If Tiger coughs up a lead this weekend, can we all agree the major pressure affects him in a way that it never did prior to his 5-year drought?

It's not just Majors. He's stumbled coming in a bit in a few of his wins this year. He's just had a big enough lead that it didn't matter. That's why I think he needs to start playing a bit more aggressively in the first couple rounds and aiming to build leads in Majors like he used to rather than play the just don't shoot yourself out of it strategy. He's Tiger Woods and I'm not, so it's kind of silly for me to second guess him or even to suggest I know what's going on at all, but that's what it looks like to me. His nerves are not holding up like they used to, at least recently.. That's not to say he won't get that edge back, but many before him have commented on how different nerves get when you get older. I think he needs to put to the pedal down to the extent that is reasonable early and often.

 

[Apple Jack]

WBC? Is Tiger ready to take on Bo as BEST. TWO. SPORTER. EVAH!

 

[Apple Jack]

Anybody catch the video of what happened when he tried to sign some autographs today? Adults who want autographs are bad enough, but trampling kids to get them? Trap door these ###holes and rid the world of them.

His press conference today. He has become a seemingly remarkably well-adjusted grown man wholly comfortable in his skin.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/2013-pga-champ-tiger-woods-press-conference-080613/

 

[zoonation]

WBC? Is Tiger ready to take on Bo as BEST. TWO. SPORTER. EVAH!

I just noticed that typo. Lol

It got some run though....

 

[Apple Jack]

Odd nobody has mentioned Phil yet. His ability to have it together for Majors, regardless of how seriously he took the season prior to the Masters, five weeks prior to the US Open, etc., is uncanny. He always finds a way to get sharp enough to get in the mix. His short-game is always there. So, he just won the Open Championship, a style of golf that pretty much mandated that he would never win one. He didn't just win the Open, he won it on the most "Open"-eque venue we've ever seen, and he did it closing in a flourish to rip the trophy off the table. Phil Mickelson might be the honest to God favorite for this event, considering Tiger's nerves issue.