Ditka Butkus
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He's not aging well. Looked like he was up all night chasing hookers.
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Ditkaless Wonders
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Moved up ten spots in OWGR - now 101st.
Seems likely the only events he'll play in before the US Open would be The Players and The Memorial, right?
I'd have to look it up but I'm not sure he's played in any of these over the last decade:
Seems likely the only events he'll play in before the US Open would be The Players and The Memorial, right?
I'd have to look it up but I'm not sure he's played in any of these over the last decade:
- RBC Heritage
- New Orleans
- Wells Fargo
- Colonial
- Byron Nelson
- FedEx St Jude
Apple Jack
Footballguy
my guess is wells fargo, players, Memorial. wouldn't shock me if he skipped players either.
SWC
Bromigo
brohans his hole broken hand thing was hilarious the guys in the booth were basically calling bs totally great but anyhow the line of the tourney was faherty saying that speith was tougher than a pair of texas snake boots i do not even know what that means but it made me laugh they should just let faharety call a lot more of the show it would be about a billion times better and it already rules so bam take that to the texas snake bank bromigos
Apple Jack
Footballguy
wait, nobilo is on the masters crew now?
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
'86, Mr. Golf Knowledge13 strokes off the lead. 9 strokes off of second place. Finished outside the top 5. Outside the top 10. Outside the top 15. 2 rounds over par. Struggled off the tees. And not just a little. A lot. During his Sunday "charge" he only hit 2 fairways.
But did you see him chip????
Is Tiger playing better than he has in the past year? Yup. He most definitely is. Is he the Tiger of old? Nope. Never will be. Could he win a tournament here or there? Sure. Lots of people win tournaments. Will he ever win another major? I doubt it. He may sneak in one more like Jack did back in '85, but I think he's done (when it comes to chasing down Jack's record.)
Tiger had one really good round out of 4 this past weekend. Lots of players are able to do that. In fact, almost all of them can do that. The point I made on Thursday and Friday was that while he may not suck anymore, he's still not very good. And the facts all still prove that.
Of course, I don't have 28 years of golf industry experience. So take what I said with a grain of salt.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
My bad. I got it confused with Arnold Palmer's age.'86, Mr. Golf Knowledge13 strokes off the lead. 9 strokes off of second place. Finished outside the top 5. Outside the top 10. Outside the top 15. 2 rounds over par. Struggled off the tees. And not just a little. A lot. During his Sunday "charge" he only hit 2 fairways.
But did you see him chip????
Is Tiger playing better than he has in the past year? Yup. He most definitely is. Is he the Tiger of old? Nope. Never will be. Could he win a tournament here or there? Sure. Lots of people win tournaments. Will he ever win another major? I doubt it. He may sneak in one more like Jack did back in '85, but I think he's done (when it comes to chasing down Jack's record.)
Tiger had one really good round out of 4 this past weekend. Lots of players are able to do that. In fact, almost all of them can do that. The point I made on Thursday and Friday was that while he may not suck anymore, he's still not very good. And the facts all still prove that.
Of course, I don't have 28 years of golf industry experience. So take what I said with a grain of salt.
SWC
Bromigo
thanks dude i could not remember what the story was i agree that faherty is the man take that to the bank
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1994. Something tells me forgiveness and second chance are not in the ANGC lexicon.
TIL Faherty is a US Citizen, naturalized in 2010 - did not know that.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Actually, he wasn'tHe didn't struggle off the tees at all on Saturday. Was hitting perfect drives.13 strokes off the lead. 9 strokes off of second place. Finished outside the top 5. Outside the top 10. Outside the top 15. 2 rounds over par. Struggled off the tees. And not just a little. A lot. During his Sunday "charge" he only hit 2 fairways.
But did you see him chip????
Is Tiger playing better than he has in the past year? Yup. He most definitely is. Is he the Tiger of old? Nope. Never will be. Could he win a tournament here or there? Sure. Lots of people win tournaments. Will he ever win another major? I doubt it. He may sneak in one more like Jack did back in '85, but I think he's done (when it comes to chasing down Jack's record.)
Tiger had one really good round out of 4 this past weekend. Lots of players are able to do that. In fact, almost all of them can do that. The point I made on Thursday and Friday was that while he may not suck anymore, he's still not very good. And the facts all still prove that.
Of course, I don't have 28 years of golf industry experience. So take what I said with a grain of salt.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
55 players made the cut at the 2015 Masters. There was only one player who hit less fairways than Tiger (30/56).
By round:
By round:
- 10
- 10
- 8
- 2
Apple Jack
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
Rory is fairly boring and I'm not sure Jordan has any personality at all. So the first pair.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Spieth makes Lucas Glover seem interesting.
The General
Footballguy
Spieth making Tiger in his prime monies, over 4 Mil from tournament winnings alone in under a month.
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root of all aliai
I'm not going to anoint Spieth at this point. Every time a young guy or relative unknown wins a major, and it has happened a lot recently, the talk starts on whether they are going to dominate golf.
Golf is such that you don't know that until it happens. The difficulty and complexity of the game itself and the large tournament fields make it impossible to predict the next superstar. Doesn't matter how great he looks in a major, or even a few majors.
If he starts closing in on 10+ majors then we can call him the next Tiger.
Golf is such that you don't know that until it happens. The difficulty and complexity of the game itself and the large tournament fields make it impossible to predict the next superstar. Doesn't matter how great he looks in a major, or even a few majors.
If he starts closing in on 10+ majors then we can call him the next Tiger.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I haven't heard anyone suggest that Spieth is going to dominate. People are definitely discussing him and Rory being a rivalry for a long time to come which makes a lot of sense.
They are now 1 & 2 in the world rankings and have won the last three majors. Jordan is 21
and Rory is 25. Spieth being American and Rory being European also sets up a natural rilvary. Of course it could fizzle out but it isn't like Spieth is a one hit wonder , he has been on
fire this year and was really solid last year as well. I don't see either guy getting more career majors than Tiger let alone Jack combined they are probably a good bet for at least a dozen majors.
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root of all aliai
ESPN and CBS have been all over Spieth being the next Tiger. At least asking the question.
I'm just tired of the same discussion with every major winner in the last decade (will they dominate??), and it never happens. Rory is the closest to meet the expectations.
All of these guys have had people talking up their incredible game and whether it will continue, at least for the Sunday and Monday after whatever they won:
Ben Curtis
Shaun Micheel
Michael Campbell
Jeff Ogilvy
Zach Johnson
Padraig Harrington
Trevor Immelman
Lucas Glover
YE Yang
Graeme McDowell
Louis Oosthuizen
Martin Kaymer
Charl Schwartzel
Keegan Bradley
Bubba Watson
Webb Simpson
Adam Scott
Justin Rose
Jason Dufner
and what has happened?
...now we've got Jordan Speith. Speith seems like the real deal right now, like Rory, but a lot of others have seemed that way after their win too.
I'm just tired of the same discussion with every major winner in the last decade (will they dominate??), and it never happens. Rory is the closest to meet the expectations.
All of these guys have had people talking up their incredible game and whether it will continue, at least for the Sunday and Monday after whatever they won:
Ben Curtis
Shaun Micheel
Michael Campbell
Jeff Ogilvy
Zach Johnson
Padraig Harrington
Trevor Immelman
Lucas Glover
YE Yang
Graeme McDowell
Louis Oosthuizen
Martin Kaymer
Charl Schwartzel
Keegan Bradley
Bubba Watson
Webb Simpson
Adam Scott
Justin Rose
Jason Dufner
and what has happened?
...now we've got Jordan Speith. Speith seems like the real deal right now, like Rory, but a lot of others have seemed that way after their win too.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's not long. He's not a magician around the greens; in fact, he's shaky on 4-8 footers. He hasn't been a great closer.
He was a prodigy, the best junior golfer since Woods. He left college after only 3 semesters and had a remarkably smooth transition to the pro level. He did well in the Walker and Ryder Cups, so he's tough mentally. Great family & support system around him.
But what makes him great? What makes him different from other young golfers who enjoyed a measure of success?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I'd say he has a lot of everything, but doesn't have one attribute that stands out besides his planning and course management. I think it's his mental focus and his putting between 10 and 20 feet. His distance control with all shots in bag is better than most guys out there right now. He may not be a magician like Phil, but his short game is amazing.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Now keep only the ones who were top 5 in the world and major at 21.And of this list only Scott, Oosthuizen, Paddy maybe Bubba and Kaymer were every really talked about as 'maybe the next thing.' You can't just list one hit wonders. No one thought Zach Johnson or Micheel or Simpson were gonna be the next big thing.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
His golf swing is very simple and I think is easier to repeat under pressure relative to a lot of other people's movements. Then the two most obvious specific elements to me are his short irons and long putting. He hits it close a lot. And never three putts. He's consistent and plays very smart. Doesn't take unnecessary risks. Doesn't give strokes back very often.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Super talented, no doubt. Good genes from having two college athlete patents. Worked hard with good teachers. But I honestly can't come up with what makes him special (and he may well be.)
I was thinking about this today, and for lack of a better term, he's a generalist. A really, really good all around player. But nobody fawns over his flawless swing technique or power or phenomenal touch. He just does a lot of things well.
Still a few chapters to write, guess we'll all find out together. Really nice kid IMO.
mr roboto
Footballguy
He's a 21 year old who after 8 total rounds at Augusta already knows exactly how to play that course. That's obscene. It's not a perfect swing or insane distance but his course management is better than most tour players.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Just watch him play. He has the confidence of a guy who's been playing on the tour for 20 years. Incredibly clutch. The putt he made to force a playoff at the shell houston open was awesome. Just walked in a 12 footer like it was nothing. He's been dominant out there.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I've watched him quite a bit the last 3+ seasons. He puts himself in position to win a lot. But I wouldn't call him clutch - he's pissed away plenty of potential wins. That said, he's taken it to a whole 'nother level the last four events he's played. Quite a roll.
He has been super resilient. In that aspect he reminds of Watson around '74-'75. He threw away a few before he learned how to close. These young guys just don't give a ####; no time to mope or analyze, just keep going after it. It's like a relief pitcher blowing a couple and then he goes out and saves 30 in a row. That's amazing mental toughness. Spieth has a short memory or else he learns quick.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Watson:
Tom Watson shot 135 (−7) to tie the U.S. Open record for the first 36 holes of play in the 1975 tournament, but 155 (+13) on the weekend forced him down the leaderboard, three shots out of the Graham-Mahaffey playoff. It marked the second straight year Watson failed to maintain a weekend lead in the championship; he was the 54-hole leader in 1974 at Winged Foot. He won his first major a month later in Scotland.
Tom Watson shot 135 (−7) to tie the U.S. Open record for the first 36 holes of play in the 1975 tournament, but 155 (+13) on the weekend forced him down the leaderboard, three shots out of the Graham-Mahaffey playoff. It marked the second straight year Watson failed to maintain a weekend lead in the championship; he was the 54-hole leader in 1974 at Winged Foot. He won his first major a month later in Scotland.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Perfectly understandable.Way back, like a dozen strokes or so back. While Mantits Mickelson and Rory charged, Tiger ran in place shaking his wristHE'S BACK!!!!!!
and thinking of Lindsey's haunches.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
I heard lots of hyperbole during Masters week about Speith, who I like. But it was over the top. I believe it was Ian Baker-Finch who called him "a legend" on the back nine on Sunday. I had to rewind it. A little early for such talk. Everybody seems to want to be the one who "called it" when he was just starting his career.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I want Tiger to win this challenge as much as any other.
Thanks for being the
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Apple Jack
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