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Tiger Woods (3 Viewers)

General Malaise said:
Using your numbers, we will set the O/U on 2.5 majors starting with the PGA this year and running through the end of 2022.  That's 17 Major chances for Tiger.  I will take UNDER 2.5 for.....$250?  $100?  
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Hey GB, I'll take the over 2.5 for $100 to the charity of the other guys choice.

 
Molinari is just better than Tiger.  Dozens of PGA golfers are.  Nobody is scared of him.  He's 42 and in steep decline.  Drugs don't work forever and the sport is littered with phenoms now.  Who did Tiger have to battle to be great?  Phil?  Duvall?  Singh?  Love III?

Golf is loaded - LOADED - with talent right now.  From all corners of the world.  The competition is incredible and it's only getting stronger.  

Tiger will be a nice story here and there but the sun has set on him being a contender and that's okay. We all get old....just hope he is wiser now and doesn't drive under the influence again.  Weird that he gets a pass on that.  He could have killed somebody or himself.  But.... TIGER!!!!!

 
Sinn Fein said:
He had the lead - after 10 holes.  He lost by 3 strokes.  That is a 4-stroke swing in 8 holes.  If he did not choke under the pressure of playing with Molinari - what would you call it?
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I believe the ridiculous argument of your was "Coming into todays round, he wasn't in the hunt"

Keep moving your argument you're making yourself look ridiculous 

 
No shame in that effort.  That lofted bunker shot was the old Tiger.  Unreal.  He just had to be a bit more crisp with his last couple driving irons into the wind, but everyone was missing to the right (23MPH, in your face and to the right).  He would have been right there but he got too cute with that flop shot.  Should have taken his medicine, leave himself with a 15 footer for par and take his chances.  

 
Judge Smails said:
No shame in that effort.  That lofted bunker shot was the old Tiger.  Unreal.  He just had to be a bit more crisp with his last couple driving irons into the wind, but everyone was missing to the right (23MPH, in your face and to the right).  He would have been right there but he got too cute with that flop shot.  Should have taken his medicine, leave himself with a 15 footer for par and take his chances.  
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Virtually everyone said he was in complete control and looked great - he just didn’t close the deal.  I’ve never been one to say he definitely he will, way too hard to win a major but he’s definitely back for someone his age and coming out of all those injuries and surgeries.  Will be great for golf if he continues to be IN THE HUNT for the next few years.  If he wins one it’s just great for him and would be a fantastic story.

 
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General Malaise said:
Molinari is just better than Tiger.  Dozens of PGA golfers are.  Nobody is scared of him.  He's 42 and in steep decline.  Drugs don't work forever and the sport is littered with phenoms now.  Who did Tiger have to battle to be great?  Phil?  Duvall?  Singh?  Love III?

Golf is loaded - LOADED - with talent right now.  From all corners of the world.  The competition is incredible and it's only getting stronger.  

Tiger will be a nice story here and there but the sun has set on him being a contender and that's okay. We all get old....just hope he is wiser now and doesn't drive under the influence again.  Weird that he gets a pass on that.  He could have killed somebody or himself.  But.... TIGER!!!!!
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I think you're smart enough to understand why people like Tiger. I don't really know anyone that will dispute he's no longer the best. I am certainly not under any such illusion.

But he's a draw. There's no other way to put it really. It's the reason the WWE continues trotting out Brock Lesnar and John Cena. They have surpassed the same threshold that Tiger did for golf, even when any close watcher of those respective products can name a dozen better performers nowadays.

Spieth had the chance to be the next big draw for golf, but I think that window for mainstream superstardom has passed. He's nowhere near Tiger and probably never will be.

 
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I will slowly relate every sport to pro wrestling in this forum. Golf was actually pretty easy because of Tiger.

 
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hagmania said:
I will slowly relate every sport to pro wrestling in this forum. Golf was actually pretty easy because of Tiger.
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:lmao:

I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when reading that, but now I get it. Awesome. 

But a healthy, fit Tiger is good for golf. I'm not a Tiger fan per se, but I watched the Open this morning, something I haven't done in twenty years. (Maybe the sun was shining though my window, too...)

 
Mr.Pack said:
I believe the ridiculous argument of your was "Coming into todays round, he wasn't in the hunt"

Keep moving your argument you're making yourself look ridiculous 
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He was not in the hunt starting the day.

Then some guys sucked, and fell behind Tiger.

Then Tiger sucked harder.

Then Tiger ended the day, the same 3 strokes out he was at the beginning of the day.

 So - the narrative is not pretty either way.  When he was in the hunt - he choked - badly.

 
Sinn Fein said:
He had the lead - after 10 holes.  He lost by 3 strokes.  That is a 4-stroke swing in 8 holes.  If he did not choke under the pressure of playing with Molinari - what would you call it?
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So you’ve changed your call yesterday from “not in the hunt” to “leading and will likely choke”?

You can’t just change your call to the opposite after the game is over. 

 
rockaction said:
:lmao:

I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when reading that, but now I get it. Awesome. 

But a healthy, fit Tiger is good for golf. I'm not a Tiger fan per se, but I watched the Open this morning, something I haven't done in twenty years. (Maybe the sun was shining though my window, too...)
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Golf needs to work on cultivating more Tigers if they want more mainstream attention going to anyone not named Tiger Woods.

All sports do. I can't for one second blame the MLB commish for his comments about Mike Trout's personal brand; it would be great for baseball if the average schmoe knew about Trout.

 
Otis said:
So you’ve changed your call yesterday from “not in the hunt” to “leading and will likely choke”?

You can’t just change your call to the opposite after the game is over. 
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He wasn't in the hunt yesterday.

A bunch of people fell back, and he was in the hunt today.

Then he choked.

:shrug:

 
hagmania said:
I think you're smart enough to understand why people like Tiger. I don't really know anyone that will dispute he's no longer the best. I am certainly not under any such illusion.

But he's a draw. There's no other way to put it really. It's the reason the WWE continues trotting out Brock Lesnar and John Cena. They have surpassed the same threshold that Tiger did for golf, even when any close watcher of those respective products can name a dozen better performers nowadays.

Spieth had the chance to be the next big draw for golf, but I think that window for mainstream superstardom has passed. He's nowhere near Tiger and probably never will be.
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And I think you're smart enough to understand why some people don't like Tiger. 

Or at least I did until you referenced WWF.  ;)

Tiger hasn't been relevant or good for 10 years....and yet, the sport survived. Thrived, even.  People didn't stop watching or playing golf while Tiger was irrelevant.  And they won't when he's done.  

 
“I didn’t know everyone else was gonna be so bad and fall back and put him in the lead”

Only in the FFA. You just can’t make this #### up. 

 
hagmania said:
Golf needs to work on cultivating more Tigers if they want more mainstream attention going to anyone not named Tiger Woods.

All sports do. I can't for one second blame the MLB commish for his comments about Mike Trout's personal brand; it would be great for baseball if the average schmoe knew about Trout.
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Yes, let's cultivate more serial cheaters, drug users and drunk drivers!  Hoooooray!!!!!

 
hagmania said:
Golf needs to work on cultivating more Tigers if they want more mainstream attention going to anyone not named Tiger Woods.

All sports do. I can't for one second blame the MLB commish for his comments about Mike Trout's personal brand; it would be great for baseball if the average schmoe knew about Trout.
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Wow. I know about Trout. Didn't know this was an issue with him. He's -- along with Mookie this year -- the best in the game, it seems to me. But then again, I'm at footballguys so generally love sports.  

 
General Malaise said:
Molinari is just better than Tiger.  Dozens of PGA golfers are.  Nobody is scared of him.  He's 42 and in steep decline.  Drugs don't work forever and the sport is littered with phenoms now.  Who did Tiger have to battle to be great?  Phil?  Duvall?  Singh?  Love III?

Golf is loaded - LOADED - with talent right now.  From all corners of the world.  The competition is incredible and it's only getting stronger.  

Tiger will be a nice story here and there but the sun has set on him being a contender and that's okay. We all get old....just hope he is wiser now and doesn't drive under the influence again.  Weird that he gets a pass on that.  He could have killed somebody or himself.  But.... TIGER!!!!!
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Tiger has played 12 tournaments this year and was Top 5 in three of them. He finished 6th today and finished 11th and 12th in two others. That’s 50% in the Top 12.

Not sure how that makes him no longer a contender. He was too inconsistent and missed too many makeable putts this week. He was ahead heading into the back nine but made strategic mistakes on back to back holes and still was in the mix. He’s not going to win a major by ten strokes but he can be near the top and with some breaks could win. 

 
Take_The_Shot said:
Seriously, the top 50? This season on OWGR events he has a 9, 23, MC, 12, 2, 5, plus whatever he finishes at the Masters, probably somewhere between 20 to 53. Not counting the FedEx playoff events (currently 44th) he has 7 or 8 events left. And 2 or 3 of those non major events are going to be at tracks he is very familiar with. He is good enough to stroll around those events and finish in the top 10. 

IMO it's about a 0.01%* chance he doesn't crack the top 50 by year end, especially if at a minimum he plays 2 playoff events but my money is no later than the Monday after the British. 

*Pending health
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Spot on.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Tiger has played 12 tournaments this year and was Top 5 in three of them. He finished 6th today and finished 11th and 12th in two others. That’s 50% in the Top 12.

Not sure how that makes him no longer a contender. He was too inconsistent and missed too many makeable putts this week. He was ahead heading into the back nine but made strategic mistakes on back to back holes and still was in the mix. He’s not going to win a major by ten strokes but he can be near the top and with some breaks could win. 
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When was the last time he won?  I'll take your answer off the air.

 
General Malaise said:
Using your numbers, we will set the O/U on 2.5 majors starting with the PGA this year and running through the end of 2022.  That's 17 Major chances for Tiger.  I will take UNDER 2.5 for.....$250?  $100?  
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I assume you mean under 0.5?  Because if you're not willing to make an even money bet unless someone spots you TWO majors after all the #### talk...

 
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