Tiger Woods (6 Viewers)

[Otis]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

 

[BobbyLayne]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Hard to find that (3 out of 4), but here is the complete list of 3 straight or more:

Player Year(s)

11 wins

Byron Nelson 1945

7 wins

Tiger Woods 2006–2007

6 wins

Ben Hogan 1948

Tiger Woods 1999–2000

5 wins

Tiger Woods 2007–2008

4 wins

Byron Nelson 1945–1946

Jack Burke, Jr. 1952

Ben Hogan 1953

3 wins

Walter Hagen 1923

Joe Kirkwood, Sr. 1924

Bill Mehlhorn 1929

Horton Smith 1929

Paul Runyan 1933

Henry Picard 1939

Jimmy Demaret 1940

Ben Hogan 1940

Byron Nelson 1944

Sam Snead 1945

Ben Hogan 1946 (twice)

Bobby Locke 1947

Jim Ferrier 1951

Billy Casper 1960

Arnold Palmer 1960

Arnold Palmer 1962

Johnny Miller 1974

Jack Nicklaus 1975

Hubert Green 1976

Gary Player 1978

Tom Watson 1980

Nick Price 1993

David Duval 1997

Tiger Woods 2000

Tiger Woods 2001

Vijay Singh 2004

One guy shows up on the list 5 times, Hogan 4 timesHogan and Woods 5 times, Nelson 3 times, Palmer twice. Any other repeaters? I think not.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Byron Nelson won 11 in a row in 1945.

 

[zoonation]

It's big news because its a harbinger of things to come (projected). For me, it's a big deal because of how dismissive many of the doubters have been about his ability to get back here. When someone pointed out the knee surgery, divorce, swing change etc, those were called excuses.

I have consistently argued that he could easily get 'back' and that his step off the pedestal was not a natural age-related decline, but an understandable consequence of the factors I just outlined. We are, as a society, far too willing to make a long-term determination on short term analysis. Therefore, I'm willing to say that his recent performance shows me that he can win multiple majors in the next year or two. I haven't felt that until his recent play.

And, I watch his play, not just the results. His game is back, at least right now. It could be gone tomorrow, but as the culmination of a 4 year process, I see a solid game that's similar to his dominant years.

Projected? Okay. Personally, I won't be surprised if he wins a Major this year, but I also won't be surprised if he doesn't either. Meanwhile, some of you are acting like it is a foregone conclusion.

This argument borders on idiotic. What will they say after he wins a major this year? He didn't win enough majors yet to be more than competitive?

Laughable.

Serious question: What will you say if he doesn't win a Major this year?

I covered this earlier. If he never wins more majors but remains the best golfer in the world, then Fin was half right. Or course he's not "done" or simply " competitive." Fin already struck out on those counts. But if he doesn't win any more majors than Jack's record would be looking safer and safer over time. But he'll win more majors. Plenty of them. Jack isn't out of the woods.

For the last time, when NostraFinless made his amazing prediction, Tiger was winning regular golf events and majors at a clip never before seen. He'd just about never blown a 54 hole lead in a major. When he was in the lead it was a foregone conclusion that he would win, other players would openly talk about him being unbeatable when he had the lead. He was set to crush Jack's records and re-write all others.Fast forward to today, he hasn't won another major. No one talks about fearing him anymore. He's lost 54 hole leads. He's currenntly winning tourneys at a good clip, but we've seen other players duplicate this kind of run for a short time. He will not be BACK until he wins another major. When he does that, we can say he's BACK.

He made his predication based on nothing that had anything to do with his slump and ended up getting lucky. You think he saw his personal life falling apart, additional injuries, and a swing change coming? No, I don't read his comments as suggesting that. ANd even through the biggest slump of his career he was still more competitive than any other non-winner in those Majors cumulatively. You guys are giving this Finless person way too much credit for getting lucky. The reality is that the swing change took just a little bit longer than the prior changes to show results, with an additional time factor a result of injuries.

i think you're being disingenuous if you are arguing that Ambiengate had nothing to do with the big fall and it was all swing changes and the kneee etc. I think it cost him Jack's record, but time will tell.

Also, people are writing off Rory awfully quickly in here. That kid shows up big for the big tournaments and was crushing it from the PGA Championship (which he won easily) right through the end of the Fed-Ex cup (which he almost won, despite playing very few PGA tour events that year). He won 3 of 4 tournaments, including a major and two playoff events. More impressive run than Tiger's current one, IMO. But no one is talking about that. He also topped both the Euro and PGA tour money lists by about 2 million each. And, he is on an equipment change and hasn't even started his season yet.

I don't think Woods is better than Rory. Right now. And this season's going to prove it.

 

[urbanhack]

Who's ready to play some golf??!!

 

[mr roboto]

It's big news because its a harbinger of things to come (projected). For me, it's a big deal because of how dismissive many of the doubters have been about his ability to get back here. When someone pointed out the knee surgery, divorce, swing change etc, those were called excuses.

I have consistently argued that he could easily get 'back' and that his step off the pedestal was not a natural age-related decline, but an understandable consequence of the factors I just outlined. We are, as a society, far too willing to make a long-term determination on short term analysis. Therefore, I'm willing to say that his recent performance shows me that he can win multiple majors in the next year or two. I haven't felt that until his recent play.

And, I watch his play, not just the results. His game is back, at least right now. It could be gone tomorrow, but as the culmination of a 4 year process, I see a solid game that's similar to his dominant years.

Projected? Okay. Personally, I won't be surprised if he wins a Major this year, but I also won't be surprised if he doesn't either. Meanwhile, some of you are acting like it is a foregone conclusion.

This argument borders on idiotic. What will they say after he wins a major this year? He didn't win enough majors yet to be more than competitive?

Laughable.

Serious question: What will you say if he doesn't win a Major this year?

I covered this earlier. If he never wins more majors but remains the best golfer in the world, then Fin was half right. Or course he's not "done" or simply " competitive." Fin already struck out on those counts. But if he doesn't win any more majors than Jack's record would be looking safer and safer over time. But he'll win more majors. Plenty of them. Jack isn't out of the woods.

For the last time, when NostraFinless made his amazing prediction, Tiger was winning regular golf events and majors at a clip never before seen. He'd just about never blown a 54 hole lead in a major. When he was in the lead it was a foregone conclusion that he would win, other players would openly talk about him being unbeatable when he had the lead. He was set to crush Jack's records and re-write all others.Fast forward to today, he hasn't won another major. No one talks about fearing him anymore. He's lost 54 hole leads. He's currenntly winning tourneys at a good clip, but we've seen other players duplicate this kind of run for a short time. He will not be BACK until he wins another major. When he does that, we can say he's BACK.

He made his predication based on nothing that had anything to do with his slump and ended up getting lucky. You think he saw his personal life falling apart, additional injuries, and a swing change coming? No, I don't read his comments as suggesting that. ANd even through the biggest slump of his career he was still more competitive than any other non-winner in those Majors cumulatively. You guys are giving this Finless person way too much credit for getting lucky. The reality is that the swing change took just a little bit longer than the prior changes to show results, with an additional time factor a result of injuries.

i think you're being disingenuous if you are arguing that Ambiengate had nothing to do with the big fall and it was all swing changes and the kneee etc. I think it cost him Jack's record, but time will tell.

Also, people are writing off Rory awfully quickly in here. That kid shows up big for the big tournaments and was crushing it from the PGA Championship (which he won easily) right through the end of the Fed-Ex cup (which he almost won, despite playing very few PGA tour events that year). He won 3 of 4 tournaments, including a major and two playoff events. More impressive run than Tiger's current one, IMO. But no one is talking about that. He also topped both the Euro and PGA tour money lists by about 2 million each. And, he is on an equipment change and hasn't even started his season yet.

I don't think Woods is better than Rory. Right now. And this season's going to prove it.

I'd like your definition of 'right now'.

 

[JuniorNB]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

 

[Otis]

Who's ready to play some golf??!!

Disc golf?

 

[John Bender]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

 

[zoonation]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Um, just at the end of last year when Rory did it. Starting with the PGA Championship.

 

[zoonation]

It's big news because its a harbinger of things to come (projected). For me, it's a big deal because of how dismissive many of the doubters have been about his ability to get back here. When someone pointed out the knee surgery, divorce, swing change etc, those were called excuses.

I have consistently argued that he could easily get 'back' and that his step off the pedestal was not a natural age-related decline, but an understandable consequence of the factors I just outlined. We are, as a society, far too willing to make a long-term determination on short term analysis. Therefore, I'm willing to say that his recent performance shows me that he can win multiple majors in the next year or two. I haven't felt that until his recent play.

And, I watch his play, not just the results. His game is back, at least right now. It could be gone tomorrow, but as the culmination of a 4 year process, I see a solid game that's similar to his dominant years.

Projected? Okay. Personally, I won't be surprised if he wins a Major this year, but I also won't be surprised if he doesn't either. Meanwhile, some of you are acting like it is a foregone conclusion.

This argument borders on idiotic. What will they say after he wins a major this year? He didn't win enough majors yet to be more than competitive?

Laughable.

Serious question: What will you say if he doesn't win a Major this year?

I covered this earlier. If he never wins more majors but remains the best golfer in the world, then Fin was half right. Or course he's not "done" or simply " competitive." Fin already struck out on those counts. But if he doesn't win any more majors than Jack's record would be looking safer and safer over time. But he'll win more majors. Plenty of them. Jack isn't out of the woods.

For the last time, when NostraFinless made his amazing prediction, Tiger was winning regular golf events and majors at a clip never before seen. He'd just about never blown a 54 hole lead in a major. When he was in the lead it was a foregone conclusion that he would win, other players would openly talk about him being unbeatable when he had the lead. He was set to crush Jack's records and re-write all others.Fast forward to today, he hasn't won another major. No one talks about fearing him anymore. He's lost 54 hole leads. He's currenntly winning tourneys at a good clip, but we've seen other players duplicate this kind of run for a short time. He will not be BACK until he wins another major. When he does that, we can say he's BACK.

He made his predication based on nothing that had anything to do with his slump and ended up getting lucky. You think he saw his personal life falling apart, additional injuries, and a swing change coming? No, I don't read his comments as suggesting that. ANd even through the biggest slump of his career he was still more competitive than any other non-winner in those Majors cumulatively. You guys are giving this Finless person way too much credit for getting lucky. The reality is that the swing change took just a little bit longer than the prior changes to show results, with an additional time factor a result of injuries.

i think you're being disingenuous if you are arguing that Ambiengate had nothing to do with the big fall and it was all swing changes and the kneee etc. I think it cost him Jack's record, but time will tell.

Also, people are writing off Rory awfully quickly in here. That kid shows up big for the big tournaments and was crushing it from the PGA Championship (which he won easily) right through the end of the Fed-Ex cup (which he almost won, despite playing very few PGA tour events that year). He won 3 of 4 tournaments, including a major and two playoff events. More impressive run than Tiger's current one, IMO. But no one is talking about that. He also topped both the Euro and PGA tour money lists by about 2 million each. And, he is on an equipment change and hasn't even started his season yet.

I don't think Woods is better than Rory. Right now. And this season's going to prove it.

I'd like your definition of 'right now'.

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

If you don't understand the significant difference between the odds the world's best tennis player faces in winning a given tournament and the odds the world's best golfer faces in winning a given tournament, and why those two things are so different, you should probably stop gambling on sports.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Um, just at the end of last year when Rory did it. Starting with the PGA Championship.

Was thinking he'd done it last year. Do you remember if there was a debate about him being washed up at the time?

 

[Worm]

Rory couldn't sniff Tiger's soiled jock. No killer instinct. Bubble guts. Might as well send in his early withdraw letter to Augusta.

 

[Otis]

The semantic gymnastics required of you guys in here is incredible.

He's "back," dorks. He's not "done."

Close 'er up, Maurile.

 

[John Bender]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

If you don't understand the significant difference between the odds the world's best tennis player faces in winning a given tournament and the odds the world's best golfer faces in winning a given tournament, and why those two things are so different, you should probably stop gambling on sports.

I don't think the point was re: odds to win so much as how little we pay attention to non-major tennis events, but how they aren't too far off in importance from non-major golf events in terms of measuring sticks for greatness. My good posting has nothing to do with odds of winning either or - that was a weird comment.ETA: I love Tiger and I hope he breaks Jack's record, I'm just not jumping into the boat until I see a major victory. I've been teased way too often the past 5 years.

 

[zoonation]

The semantic gymnastics required of you guys in here is incredible. He's "back," dorks. He's not "done."Close 'er up, Maurile.

keep hammering that strawman.

 

[zoonation]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Um, just at the end of last year when Rory did it. Starting with the PGA Championship.

Was thinking he'd done it last year. Do you remember if there was a debate about him being washed up at the time?

don't think so, but then again he had just crushed the field at the US Open the previous year, so one would hardly expect it.I don't think Tiger's washed up. He is clearly back on good form. That form, however, is not heads and shoulders above all other golfers in the world, like it used to be and I dont think he ever gets back to that level. There are too many good players now. I don't think that form is better than McIlroy. And wins at Bay Hill and Torrey Pines won't cchange my opinion.I don't think he will ever dominate the way he used to. And that question is what was at the heart of the prediction of this thread and is still very much alive.

 

[Apple Jack]

It's big news because its a harbinger of things to come (projected). For me, it's a big deal because of how dismissive many of the doubters have been about his ability to get back here. When someone pointed out the knee surgery, divorce, swing change etc, those were called excuses.

I have consistently argued that he could easily get 'back' and that his step off the pedestal was not a natural age-related decline, but an understandable consequence of the factors I just outlined. We are, as a society, far too willing to make a long-term determination on short term analysis. Therefore, I'm willing to say that his recent performance shows me that he can win multiple majors in the next year or two. I haven't felt that until his recent play.

And, I watch his play, not just the results. His game is back, at least right now. It could be gone tomorrow, but as the culmination of a 4 year process, I see a solid game that's similar to his dominant years.

Projected? Okay. Personally, I won't be surprised if he wins a Major this year, but I also won't be surprised if he doesn't either. Meanwhile, some of you are acting like it is a foregone conclusion.

This argument borders on idiotic. What will they say after he wins a major this year? He didn't win enough majors yet to be more than competitive?

Laughable.

Serious question: What will you say if he doesn't win a Major this year?

I covered this earlier. If he never wins more majors but remains the best golfer in the world, then Fin was half right. Or course he's not "done" or simply " competitive." Fin already struck out on those counts. But if he doesn't win any more majors than Jack's record would be looking safer and safer over time. But he'll win more majors. Plenty of them. Jack isn't out of the woods.

For the last time, when NostraFinless made his amazing prediction, Tiger was winning regular golf events and majors at a clip never before seen. He'd just about never blown a 54 hole lead in a major. When he was in the lead it was a foregone conclusion that he would win, other players would openly talk about him being unbeatable when he had the lead. He was set to crush Jack's records and re-write all others.Fast forward to today, he hasn't won another major. No one talks about fearing him anymore. He's lost 54 hole leads. He's currenntly winning tourneys at a good clip, but we've seen other players duplicate this kind of run for a short time. He will not be BACK until he wins another major. When he does that, we can say he's BACK.

He made his predication based on nothing that had anything to do with his slump and ended up getting lucky. You think he saw his personal life falling apart, additional injuries, and a swing change coming? No, I don't read his comments as suggesting that. ANd even through the biggest slump of his career he was still more competitive than any other non-winner in those Majors cumulatively. You guys are giving this Finless person way too much credit for getting lucky. The reality is that the swing change took just a little bit longer than the prior changes to show results, with an additional time factor a result of injuries.

i think you're being disingenuous if you are arguing that Ambiengate had nothing to do with the big fall and it was all swing changes and the kneee etc. I think it cost him Jack's record, but time will tell.

Also, people are writing off Rory awfully quickly in here. That kid shows up big for the big tournaments and was crushing it from the PGA Championship (which he won easily) right through the end of the Fed-Ex cup (which he almost won, despite playing very few PGA tour events that year). He won 3 of 4 tournaments, including a major and two playoff events. More impressive run than Tiger's current one, IMO. But no one is talking about that. He also topped both the Euro and PGA tour money lists by about 2 million each. And, he is on an equipment change and hasn't even started his season yet.

I don't think Woods is better than Rory. Right now. And this season's going to prove it.

Ambiengate = personal life falling apartI'm not writing Rory off at all, but "right now" he's a mess and is not in the same universe as Tiger. He bit off more than her could chew with the equipment change, as many predicted was going to happen.

And yes, he did start his season (unless you don't think WGC events are real tournaments):

Abu Dhabi - MC

WGC Match Play - Lost in first round

Honda - WD after walking off the course at the turn on Friday due to playing so poorly

WGC Doral - dug deep for 65 on Sunday to salvage T8

Sat out Bay Hill to watch his girlfriend play tennis and hit balls with Novak Djokovic. He's playing one event between all that and the Masters. I like Rory more than Tiger and want to see him succeed, but pump the breaks a bit there.

 

[Apple Jack]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Um, just at the end of last year when Rory did it. Starting with the PGA Championship.

Was thinking he'd done it last year. Do you remember if there was a debate about him being washed up at the time?

don't think so, but then again he had just crushed the field at the US Open the previous year, so one would hardly expect it.I don't think Tiger's washed up. He is clearly back on good form. That form, however, is not heads and shoulders above all other golfers in the world, like it used to be and I dont think he ever gets back to that level. There are too many good players now. I don't think that form is better than McIlroy. And wins at Bay Hill and Torrey Pines won't cchange my opinion.I don't think he will ever dominate the way he used to. And that question is what was at the heart of the prediction of this thread and is still very much alive.

The way that he plays defense with a lead now I think has some people thinking that means he's not as good as when he would keep his foot on the gas on Sunday. In fact, that might have something to do with Fins initial call in the OP. He's not interested demoralizing the field like he used to be. He just wants the win.

 

[zoonation]

How many players have won three times in four starts in, say, the last ten years?

Would love to know the answer to this. : popcorn:He'll, let's say all time.

Um, just at the end of last year when Rory did it. Starting with the PGA Championship.

Was thinking he'd done it last year. Do you remember if there was a debate about him being washed up at the time?

don't think so, but then again he had just crushed the field at the US Open the previous year, so one would hardly expect it.I don't think Tiger's washed up. He is clearly back on good form. That form, however, is not heads and shoulders above all other golfers in the world, like it used to be and I dont think he ever gets back to that level. There are too many good players now. I don't think that form is better than McIlroy. And wins at Bay Hill and Torrey Pines won't cchange my opinion.I don't think he will ever dominate the way he used to. And that question is what was at the heart of the prediction of this thread and is still very much alive.

The way that he plays defense with a lead now I think has some people thinking that means he's not as good as when he would keep his foot on the gas on Sunday. In fact, that might have something to do with Fins initial call in the OP. He's not interested demoralizing the field like he used to be. He just wants the win.

I don't disagree. I still want to see the new swing hold up under pressure when he is in the hunt on Sunday at a major. He hasn't actually been in the hunt at a major on Sunday in a long time. He's had some nice finishes overall, but none where he was actually in contention down the stretch. And, the point that he has been beaten down the stretch in the last couple of years when in a dog fight also shouldn't be overlooked. I think he is right there and will be in contention on the back 9 on Sunday. I want to see what his swing looks like. Finally, his putting is otherworldly right now but he has sucked it up on the greens at Augusta in recent years. I want to see if that form holds also.

 

[gump]

I don't think he will ever dominate the way he used to. And that question is what was at the heart of the prediction of this thread and is still very much alive.

Maybe i missed some of the beginning....but predicting he wouldn't dominate like he used to is not something anyone should get credit for doing. He held all 4 majors at once....I doubt any golfer will dominate the way he used to...ever.

 

[zoonation]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

 

[zoonation]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

 

[Otis]

The semantic gymnastics required of you guys in here is incredible. He's "back," dorks. He's not "done."Close 'er up, Maurile.

keep hammering that strawman.

It's like you, Picks, and Fin are all hanging out over on the wolf board.

 

[Otis]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

 

[Otis]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

If you don't understand the significant difference between the odds the world's best tennis player faces in winning a given tournament and the odds the world's best golfer faces in winning a given tournament, and why those two things are so different, you should probably stop gambling on sports.

I don't think the point was re: odds to win so much as how little we pay attention to non-major tennis events, but how they aren't too far off in importance from non-major golf events in terms of measuring sticks for greatness. My good posting has nothing to do with odds of winning either or - that was a weird comment.ETA: I love Tiger and I hope he breaks Jack's record, I'm just not jumping into the boat until I see a major victory. I've been teased way too often the past 5 years.

Ah, gotcha. I totally disagree about the importance of non-major events: as I've said before, the last two rounds of non-major tennis tournaments don't air on network television and random victories by Djokovic, Federer and Nadal don't make headlines the way wins by Tiger, Phil and Rory do. Most casual sports fans can probably name 10-15 golf tournaments, and I doubt most casual sports fans can name even five tennis tournaments. So I think it's pretty different. But yeah, there will always be some people who don't give him credit until he wins a major, obviously.

 

[JuniorNB]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

If you don't understand the significant difference between the odds the world's best tennis player faces in winning a given tournament and the odds the world's best golfer faces in winning a given tournament, and why those two things are so different, you should probably stop gambling on sports.

I don't think the point was re: odds to win so much as how little we pay attention to non-major tennis events, but how they aren't too far off in importance from non-major golf events in terms of measuring sticks for greatness. My good posting has nothing to do with odds of winning either or - that was a weird comment.ETA: I love Tiger and I hope he breaks Jack's record, I'm just not jumping into the boat until I see a major victory. I've been teased way too often the past 5 years.

Ah, gotcha. I totally disagree about the importance of non-major events: as I've said before, the last two rounds of non-major tennis tournaments don't air on network television and random victories by Djokovic, Federer and Nadal don't make headlines the way wins by Tiger, Phil and Rory do. Most casual sports fans can probably name 10-15 golf tournaments, and I doubt most casual sports fans can name even five tennis tournaments. So I think it's pretty different. But yeah, there will always be some people who don't give him credit until he wins a major, obviously.

The reason for that is simple- golf appeals to the everyday Joe because it's a non-athletic event that can be played very casually. That's why it's huge on TV and tennis isn't. Not many adults playing tennis. If it could be played without breaking a sweat and old men could still play it competitively, tennis would be much more popular.

 

[Moe.]

Go back to roughly Page 34-35 of this thread and you'll see a lot of comments about dominating the field, great putting, he's got "the look", etc. etc. etc. That was after last year's Bay Hill. Two weeks later, he was +5 and T40 at Augusta.I'd venture to guess that Tiger was the "favorite" to win at least half of the majors in the last four years, if not more. I know he was the Vegas favorite last year. Didn't mean a thing once they teed it up Thursday morning. He could easily win at Augusta in two weeks, or his "slump" could continue. Dominating Bay Hill again doesn't convince me one way or another of which one will happen.

Exactly. Just read all of Otis's posts in this thread. He's been 'back' at least twenty times. Same with Tobias and Apple Jack. Suddenly, majors mean nothing in golf to those two. After 100+ years as them being the measuring stick for golf greatness. I guess Wimbledon and the other Slam events are just like every other tournament in tennis, too.

If you don't understand the significant difference between the odds the world's best tennis player faces in winning a given tournament and the odds the world's best golfer faces in winning a given tournament, and why those two things are so different, you should probably stop gambling on sports.

I don't think the point was re: odds to win so much as how little we pay attention to non-major tennis events, but how they aren't too far off in importance from non-major golf events in terms of measuring sticks for greatness. My good posting has nothing to do with odds of winning either or - that was a weird comment.ETA: I love Tiger and I hope he breaks Jack's record, I'm just not jumping into the boat until I see a major victory. I've been teased way too often the past 5 years.

Ah, gotcha. I totally disagree about the importance of non-major events: as I've said before, the last two rounds of non-major tennis tournaments don't air on network television and random victories by Djokovic, Federer and Nadal don't make headlines the way wins by Tiger, Phil and Rory do. Most casual sports fans can probably name 10-15 golf tournaments, and I doubt most casual sports fans can name even five tennis tournaments. So I think it's pretty different. But yeah, there will always be some people who don't give him credit until he wins a major, obviously.

Golf is just more popular than tennis here in the US, by a pretty substantial margin. I would say the importance of an event like Indian Wells in tennis very similar to the bigger non-major golf tournaments. Just because something isn't on network TV in the states doesn't mean that the tourney is less important within the sport. I'm not a "casual" sports fan and I can't name 15 golf tournaments. Courses, maybe, but not names of tourneys.

 

[James Daulton]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

NostraFinless saw something no one else did, put it out there, and has been proven right over time.Don't try to discredit his prediction by calling it "schtick."

 

[sho nuff]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

NostraFinless saw something no one else did, put it out there, and has been proven right over time.Don't try to discredit his prediction by calling it "schtick."

Talk about schtick...

 

[gump]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

But after 2 knee surgeries.

 

[Apple Jack]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

NostraFinless saw something no one else did, put it out there, and has been proven right over time.Don't try to discredit his prediction by calling it "schtick."

People have been saying he's done since 1997. It was schtick. He was barely a year removed from arguably the most dominant stretch of golf ever played. He had just gotten back on the course after surgery. It was dumb luck he was only this wrong.

 

[Otis]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

NostraFinless saw something no one else did, put it out there, and has been proven right over time.Don't try to discredit his prediction by calling it "schtick."

People have been saying he's done since 1997. It was schtick. He was barely a year removed from arguably the most dominant stretch of golf ever played. He had just gotten back on the course after surgery. It was dumb luck he was only this wrong.

When did Apple Jack become such a good poster?

 

[BobbyLayne]

The reason for that is simple- golf appeals to the everyday Joe because it's a non-athletic event that can be played very casually. That's why it's huge on TV and tennis isn't. Not many adults playing tennis. If it could be played without breaking a sweat and old men could still play it competitively, tennis would be much more popular.

Bad info here.As a lifelong golfer and a much more avid fan/participant of swinging clubs over rackets, I wish it were not so.

Since the millennium, golf in the U.S.A. has declined from a peak of just under 30 million to around 25-26 million. Not sure what the worldwide participation figure is.

Meanwhile, tennis has boomed from less than 25 million to over 33 million. From a participation standpoint, they're going in opposite directions. Worldwide, 75 million tennis players.

The explain most often heard is slow play. Takes too damn long to get in 18 holes.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Golf is just more popular than tennis here in the US, by a pretty substantial margin.

Ratings & tournament wise, probably. But the U.S. has a PGA Tour, Champions Tour, development tour, shaky LPGA Tour. The ATP and WTP only play in the USA a few months out of the year. Three of the four majors and several of the 1000 series Masters events are held outside the U.S. Chicken or egg, doesn't matter, to sports fans golf is bigger.But participation wise, more folks in the States play tennis.

 

[urbanhack]

Fin basically predicted that Tiger would not catch Jack's record because of all the #### that went down. There have been several subplots to the thread, but that is what is at the heart of it. Since then, Tiger hasn't won another major.

Fin's first post was 6 months before any of the #### went down.

I didn't realize (should have looked) Interesting. Had to be shtick then.

FINLESS?????YOU DON'T SAY.

 

[-jb-]

To really put this to bed, we need to understand how good Tiger is at tennis.

 

[Moe.]

Golf is just more popular than tennis here in the US, by a pretty substantial margin.

Ratings & tournament wise, probably. But the U.S. has a PGA Tour, Champions Tour, development tour, shaky LPGA Tour. The ATP and WTP only play in the USA a few months out of the year. Three of the four majors and several of the 1000 series Masters events are held outside the U.S. Chicken or egg, doesn't matter, to sports fans golf is bigger.But participation wise, more folks in the States play tennis.

Sounds like you agree with me. His point was that non-major tennis events are not as important to tennis as non-major golf events are to golf, or something like that. One of the reasons he provided is that non-major tennis wins by Fed et al don't make headlines here, whereas non-major wins by Tiger et al do. I think that's because golf (specifically the PGA Tour) as a spectator sport is far more popular than tennis (specifically ATP). Has nothing to do with how "important" the non-major tournaments are. I don't really follow golf much, but I do follow tennis. Sounds like you follow both. Would you agree that the 9 Masters Events like Indian Wells are just as "important" to tennis as something like The Memorial or whatever is to golf? Seems like a decent comparison to me. Maybe a better comp for the Masters events is the WGC tourneys in golf.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Golf is just more popular than tennis here in the US, by a pretty substantial margin.

Ratings & tournament wise, probably. But the U.S. has a PGA Tour, Champions Tour, development tour, shaky LPGA Tour. The ATP and WTP only play in the USA a few months out of the year. Three of the four majors and several of the 1000 series Masters events are held outside the U.S. Chicken or egg, doesn't matter, to sports fans golf is bigger.But participation wise, more folks in the States play tennis.

Sounds like you agree with me. His point was that non-major tennis events are not as important to tennis as non-major golf events are to golf, or something like that. One of the reasons he provided is that non-major tennis wins by Fed et al don't make headlines here, whereas non-major wins by Tiger et al do. I think that's because golf (specifically the PGA Tour) as a spectator sport is far more popular than tennis (specifically ATP). Has nothing to do with how "important" the non-major tournaments are. I don't really follow golf much, but I do follow tennis. Sounds like you follow both. Would you agree that the 9 Masters Events like Indian Wells are just as "important" to tennis as something like The Memorial or whatever is to golf? Seems like a decent comparison to me.

Probably just good ole fashioned jingoism, right? USTA player development over the last 30 years has been horrific. Fed is a great ambassador for the sport, but he's still Swiss. Golf is more popular here as a spectator sport because there are a ton of competitive Americans. We've ruled the fairways ever since Francis Ouimet walked across the street and whupped Harry Vardon. Since Sampras' retirement, Roddick's lone US Open win 10 years ago has been the only GS win by an American [ETA: male].

 

[zoonation]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

 

[zoonation]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

not a bad suggestion.

 

[Otis]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

not a bad suggestion.

So how much?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

not a bad suggestion.

So how much?

I like the Otis side here - Rory is a basketcase right now, and can't get out of his Nike contract...

 

[BobbyLayne]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

not a bad suggestion.

So how much?

I like the Otis side here - Rory is a basketcase right now, and can't get out of his Nike contract...

Pretty sure he got it turned around at Miami Municipal last weekend. Does he take back #1 if smokes everyone in Houston this week?

 

[SacramentoBob]

He looked bad today. Finless as usual spot-on.

Otis, how long are you going to pretend this post doesn't exist?

 

[derek245583]

I don't think Tiger is better than Rory. Period.

Let me know how much money you'd like to wage on Rory having a better season than Tiger. Even from here on out. Thx

define better season.

Why don't we just see which one finishes the year at #1? They're neck and neck and miles ahead of the field.

not a bad suggestion.

So how much?

I like the Otis side here - Rory is a basketcase right now, and can't get out of his Nike contract...

Pretty sure he got it turned around at Miami Municipal last weekend. Does he take back #1 if smokes everyone in Houston this week?

Yes, if he wins he moves back to #1