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Tigers trade Pudge Rodriguez to Yankees (1 Viewer)

Good stuff from Baseball Prospectus:Wednesday's big news was a surprising deal in which the Yankees replaced Jorge Posada—who underwent surgery on his shoulder, ending his season—with Ivan Rodriguez, at a cost of Kyle Farnsworth. The price seemed light, given Farnsworth's "disappointment" label and his spot as about the fourth-best reliever in the Yankees' bullpen, and the name value and career accomplishment of the two players is as disparate as you'll find. Certainly, Rodriguez is an upgrade for the Yankees, for whom Jose Molina has been a hole in the lineup.When you look deeper, though, you can see that this trade isn't quite that special for the Yankees, although the price was right, and it wasn't that bad for the Tigers, who won't miss Rodriguez and were desperately in need of bullpen help. Consider that Rodriguez and Molina are very similar players in type: excellent defensive catchers with little speed, middling power, and a tendency to swing at everything. Molina hasn't hit lefties very well this year, but he has a fair track record of doing so—.268/.311/.405 for his career, and over .300 with good power since 2004. It is a skill he possesses, and in a platoon role, would be acceptable.Pudge has produced nine runs above replacement this season in 328 PAs, Molina five runs below in 218. Over the last two months, the offensive upgrade for the Yankees won't be worth more than that 14-run gap, and with the defense a wash, this trade is a one-win upgrade, not nearly enough to get excited about. Rodriguez makes the number-eight spot in the lineup a little better, especially against righties, but the idea that adding him is a coup is misguided, largely because he has a reputation and Molina doesn't. The skill sets are similar.The Yankees didn't really need a guy like Pudge. They needed a left-handed-hitting catcher with some OBP skills. Gregg Zaun, very available, would have been a strong platoon partner for Molina, getting him out of the starting lineup four days a week against the guys he can't hit, and giving the Yankees an OBP boost at the bottom of the order, while sacrificing defense for six innings each night. Now, not only do the Yankees get just that small upgrade at catcher, but they'll be wasting a roster spot on Molina; you don't need a backup catcher who is a writ-small version of your starter, you need a backup catcher who does the things the starter doesn't do. Carrying Molina will be a wasted roster spot for a team whose bench is already pretty sad.Farnsworth goes from a forgotten man behind Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras, to a critical piece of the Tigers' puzzle. With Todd Jones and Fernando Rodney both imploding, and the ever-present danger that Joel Zumaya will turn up lame, Farnsworth moves into high-leverage innings in Detroit, quite possibly as the closer. He's the biggest winner in this trade: six weeks from hitting the market as a nobody, Farnsworth could turn 20 good innings and 15 saves into another long-term contract in an industry in which no one remembers anything but the last thing you did. He has a chance to shed the labels put on him going back to his time with the Cubs. Even if he doesn't quite cash in the chance, his ability to miss bats will make him a welcome addition in Detroit, and his struggles with the long ball could be masked by a home park that reduces home runs.The Tigers replace Rodriguez with Brandon Inge, completing the cycle in which Inge moved from catcher to utility guy to third baseman to utility guy and back to catcher. Inge can throw, he's a good receiver, and he hits and runs well for a catcher. The gap between what he is and what Rodriguez is thought to be is wide; the gap between what the two players are, however, is tiny, and a gamble well worth taking on an upside play for a bullpen leaking oil and dropping parts.
I really like baseball prospectus, but this article is from someone who swung and missed BAD.There is so much wrong with what is written that I don't have the time to cover it all, but I will say that it is clear that this writer does not understand that catchers hit poorly because of the beating they take daily. he also is not taking into account the value of calling a good game or slowing a running attack. Molina does that as well as anyone in the league. However, if he starts to catch every day that ONE talent he has will diminish because your arm is not as fresh etc...Watch if Inge plays every day how is offense will suffer by the end of the year. Look at the ONE run differential for CERA between Pudge and Inge...If IRod is 3rd in OPS for catchers and is still a solid defender, that would make him a top 5 catcher without question...Inge is not that. if Pudge can give the Yanks an OPS of .750 and play decent defense it is a HUGE upgrade over Moeller and is still an upgrade over Molina who is an awful hitter but will stay in better and more effective shape playing 1/3 of the games. The only part that I agree about in the article is his point about Farnsworth
So basically you like BP unless they don't agree with you? The offense of Detroit will not suffer with Inge over IRod, that's absolutely ridiculous. Also you are telling us what Inge isn't without giving him a chance to show us what he is. On the flip side let's see how IRod's OPS plummets because he has to play everyday. This will not end well for you I assure you. Pudge has no where to go but down if he's not in a platoon. Tiger fans saw it all last year and this year until Inge started playing every other game. Then Pudge started to hit. Pudge has no power and doesn't walk, his OPS will get no better than it is right now. Book it.
 
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Sometimes fans get a little too attatched to players. I guess I'd feel the same way as Mac 32 if my man Fernando would have got sent away. :pickle:
I'm not attached to Pudge, I think Farnsworth is awful. Had we acquired an Edwar Ramirez-type I'd be good with the deal.
 
Sometimes fans get a little too attatched to players. I guess I'd feel the same way as Mac 32 if my man Fernando would have got sent away. :shock:
I'm not attached to Pudge, I think Farnsworth is awful. Had we acquired an Edwar Ramirez-type I'd be good with the deal.
Pudge tied our hands with the no trade clause, we got something instead of nothing and Farnsworth isn't going to hurt. :pickle:
 
Good stuff from Baseball Prospectus:Wednesday's big news was a surprising deal in which the Yankees replaced Jorge Posada—who underwent surgery on his shoulder, ending his season—with Ivan Rodriguez, at a cost of Kyle Farnsworth. The price seemed light, given Farnsworth's "disappointment" label and his spot as about the fourth-best reliever in the Yankees' bullpen, and the name value and career accomplishment of the two players is as disparate as you'll find. Certainly, Rodriguez is an upgrade for the Yankees, for whom Jose Molina has been a hole in the lineup.When you look deeper, though, you can see that this trade isn't quite that special for the Yankees, although the price was right, and it wasn't that bad for the Tigers, who won't miss Rodriguez and were desperately in need of bullpen help. Consider that Rodriguez and Molina are very similar players in type: excellent defensive catchers with little speed, middling power, and a tendency to swing at everything. Molina hasn't hit lefties very well this year, but he has a fair track record of doing so—.268/.311/.405 for his career, and over .300 with good power since 2004. It is a skill he possesses, and in a platoon role, would be acceptable.Pudge has produced nine runs above replacement this season in 328 PAs, Molina five runs below in 218. Over the last two months, the offensive upgrade for the Yankees won't be worth more than that 14-run gap, and with the defense a wash, this trade is a one-win upgrade, not nearly enough to get excited about. Rodriguez makes the number-eight spot in the lineup a little better, especially against righties, but the idea that adding him is a coup is misguided, largely because he has a reputation and Molina doesn't. The skill sets are similar.The Yankees didn't really need a guy like Pudge. They needed a left-handed-hitting catcher with some OBP skills. Gregg Zaun, very available, would have been a strong platoon partner for Molina, getting him out of the starting lineup four days a week against the guys he can't hit, and giving the Yankees an OBP boost at the bottom of the order, while sacrificing defense for six innings each night. Now, not only do the Yankees get just that small upgrade at catcher, but they'll be wasting a roster spot on Molina; you don't need a backup catcher who is a writ-small version of your starter, you need a backup catcher who does the things the starter doesn't do. Carrying Molina will be a wasted roster spot for a team whose bench is already pretty sad.Farnsworth goes from a forgotten man behind Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras, to a critical piece of the Tigers' puzzle. With Todd Jones and Fernando Rodney both imploding, and the ever-present danger that Joel Zumaya will turn up lame, Farnsworth moves into high-leverage innings in Detroit, quite possibly as the closer. He's the biggest winner in this trade: six weeks from hitting the market as a nobody, Farnsworth could turn 20 good innings and 15 saves into another long-term contract in an industry in which no one remembers anything but the last thing you did. He has a chance to shed the labels put on him going back to his time with the Cubs. Even if he doesn't quite cash in the chance, his ability to miss bats will make him a welcome addition in Detroit, and his struggles with the long ball could be masked by a home park that reduces home runs.The Tigers replace Rodriguez with Brandon Inge, completing the cycle in which Inge moved from catcher to utility guy to third baseman to utility guy and back to catcher. Inge can throw, he's a good receiver, and he hits and runs well for a catcher. The gap between what he is and what Rodriguez is thought to be is wide; the gap between what the two players are, however, is tiny, and a gamble well worth taking on an upside play for a bullpen leaking oil and dropping parts.
I really like baseball prospectus, but this article is from someone who swung and missed BAD.There is so much wrong with what is written that I don't have the time to cover it all, but I will say that it is clear that this writer does not understand that catchers hit poorly because of the beating they take daily. he also is not taking into account the value of calling a good game or slowing a running attack. Molina does that as well as anyone in the league. However, if he starts to catch every day that ONE talent he has will diminish because your arm is not as fresh etc...Watch if Inge plays every day how is offense will suffer by the end of the year. Look at the ONE run differential for CERA between Pudge and Inge...If IRod is 3rd in OPS for catchers and is still a solid defender, that would make him a top 5 catcher without question...Inge is not that. if Pudge can give the Yanks an OPS of .750 and play decent defense it is a HUGE upgrade over Moeller and is still an upgrade over Molina who is an awful hitter but will stay in better and more effective shape playing 1/3 of the games. The only part that I agree about in the article is his point about Farnsworth
So basically you like BP unless they don't agree with you? The offense of Detroit will not suffer with Inge over IRod, that's absolutely ridiculous. Also you are telling us what Inge isn't without giving him a chance to show us what he is. On the flip side let's see how IRod's OPS plummets because he has to play everyday. This will not end well for you I assure you. Pudge has no where to go but down if he's not in a platoon. Tiger fans saw it all last year and this year until Inge started playing every other game. Then Pudge started to hit. Pudge has no power and doesn't walk, his OPS will get no better than it is right now. Book it.
C'mon Dr. that is weak. It has nothing to do with not agreeing with me and everything to do with reality. I will go into some of the reasons the article is off base and then address your misconceptions about the rest helping IROD.
Farnsworth's "disappointment" label and his spot as about the fourth-best reliever
Farnsworth goes from a forgotten man behind Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras
Forgotten man??? Has this guy watched any Yankee games? Farnsworth was the setup guy for the Yanks, he was almost always used exclusively in the 8th inning; how is that a forgotten man??? Irresponsible writing.
Consider that Rodriguez and Molina are very similar players in type: excellent defensive catchers with little speed, middling power, and a tendency to swing at everything. doing so—.268/.311/.405 for his career, and over .300 with good power since 2004. It is a skill he possesses, and in a platoon role, would be acceptable.
There are similarities in that they are both good defensively, but saying Molina has good power is comical as he has NO HR's this year and had a grand total of ONE in 2007. Further, Molina is the slowest person in baseball and Pudge runs OK for a catcher. They do both swing at everything though
Pudge has produced nine runs above replacement this season in 328 PAs, Molina five runs below in 218. Over the last two months, the offensive upgrade for the Yankees won't be worth more than that 14-run gap, and with the defense a wash, this trade is a one-win upgrade, not nearly enough to get excited about. Rodriguez makes the number-eight spot in the lineup a little better, especially against righties, but the idea that adding him is a coup is misguided, largely because he has a reputation and Molina doesn't. The skill sets are similar.
First if you really use the stats, one could argue that the difference is 1.4 wins and if they both can keep each other healthy AND give them depth, that is a positive. An injury to Molina would have been a season lost as Moeller is terrible. if that ends up being 2 wins instead of losses over the last 1/3 of the year then ask the Yanks whether they will need those 2 wins at the end of the year...they most likely will. 2 losses turned to wins is a lot and it is irresponsible to say otherwise.
The Yankees didn't really need a guy like Pudge. They needed a left-handed-hitting catcher with some OBP skills. Gregg Zaun, very available, would have been a strong platoon partner for Molina, getting him out of the starting lineup four days a week against the guys he can't hit, and giving the Yankees an OBP boost at the bottom of the order, while sacrificing defense for six innings each night. Now, not only do the Yankees get just that small upgrade at catcher, but they'll be wasting a roster spot on Molina; you don't need a backup catcher who is a writ-small version of your starter, you need a backup catcher who does the things the starter doesn't do. Carrying Molina will be a wasted roster spot for a team whose bench is already pretty sad.
Once again, this guy does not understand the value of a good defensive catcher. Zaun is poor defensively and the Yankees need guys to hit lefties not more lefties. teams are always trying to throw lefties at them because the rest of the team is dominant against righties. They even might have Matsui if his knee holds up. Further, the Yankees bench is far better now that they have added some righties to a team that overloaded with lefty bats (Sexon and Nady)The Tigers replace Rodriguez with Brandon Inge.... Inge can throw, he's a good receiver, and he hits and runs well for a catcher. The gap between what he is and what Rodriguez is thought to be is wide; the gap between what the two players are, however, is tiny, and a gamble well worth taking on an upside play for a bullpen leaking oil and dropping partsThe gap is large because of the defensive difference. The writer is irresponsible by saying that Inge can throw and is a good receiver when Inge has thrown out only 20% of the runners (Pudge was around 35%) and his CERA is a full run higher than Pudge's...that is huge. As for your assumption about IRod's OPS plummeting playing every day (and the Yanks will catch Molina at the minimum 25% of the time anyway) the stats don't really show this. IROD got off to a horrific start, but at the end of April he caught 11 of 12 games during this time IROD hit .333 with 40% of those hits being doubles. In May, he was given 7 days off and caught 20 games (he was catching about 75% of the games) and he only had an OPS of .637In June he was given off 8 days and caught 19 games (this is only 1 game difference from May) and he had an OPS of .877In July, before he sat out and was traded, he was given 7 days off and caught 15 games and had an OPS of about .850So where is your mysterious correlation? There isn't any other than a guy getting off to a slow start. Now do I expect an OPS of .850, no way, but an OPS of .750 is a HUGE upgrade over an OPS of a horrific .599 from Molina (yes that is not a misprint)As for Pudge's OPS the rest of the year? I would expect it to hold around .750 or so. But, I would be more worried about Inge maintaining his OPS of .770 the rest of the way if I were you. Just wait until those little nicks and bruises start to add up. The last time Inge caught was in 2004 when he had an OPS .793, which was pretty good considering when he caught (30% of his AB's) his OPS was .690.This was poor writing Dr. and had nothing to do with me disagreeing.
 
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Sometimes fans get a little too attatched to players. I guess I'd feel the same way as Mac 32 if my man Fernando would have got sent away. :thumbup:
I'm not attached to Pudge, I think Farnsworth is awful. Had we acquired an Edwar Ramirez-type I'd be good with the deal.
Pudge tied our hands with the no trade clause, we got something instead of nothing and Farnsworth isn't going to hurt. :confused:
He may not hurt but I don't think he'll help us either, Pudge helped us. As you have said repeatedly he is pretty good when platooned.
 
Sometimes fans get a little too attatched to players. I guess I'd feel the same way as Mac 32 if my man Fernando would have got sent away. :cry:
I'm not attached to Pudge, I think Farnsworth is awful. Had we acquired an Edwar Ramirez-type I'd be good with the deal.
Pudge tied our hands with the no trade clause, we got something instead of nothing and Farnsworth isn't going to hurt. :lmao:
He may not hurt but I don't think he'll help us either, Pudge helped us. As you have said repeatedly he is pretty good when platooned.
True.
 
Good stuff from Baseball Prospectus:Wednesday's big news was a surprising deal in which the Yankees replaced Jorge Posada—who underwent surgery on his shoulder, ending his season—with Ivan Rodriguez, at a cost of Kyle Farnsworth. The price seemed light, given Farnsworth's "disappointment" label and his spot as about the fourth-best reliever in the Yankees' bullpen, and the name value and career accomplishment of the two players is as disparate as you'll find. Certainly, Rodriguez is an upgrade for the Yankees, for whom Jose Molina has been a hole in the lineup.When you look deeper, though, you can see that this trade isn't quite that special for the Yankees, although the price was right, and it wasn't that bad for the Tigers, who won't miss Rodriguez and were desperately in need of bullpen help. Consider that Rodriguez and Molina are very similar players in type: excellent defensive catchers with little speed, middling power, and a tendency to swing at everything. Molina hasn't hit lefties very well this year, but he has a fair track record of doing so—.268/.311/.405 for his career, and over .300 with good power since 2004. It is a skill he possesses, and in a platoon role, would be acceptable.Pudge has produced nine runs above replacement this season in 328 PAs, Molina five runs below in 218. Over the last two months, the offensive upgrade for the Yankees won't be worth more than that 14-run gap, and with the defense a wash, this trade is a one-win upgrade, not nearly enough to get excited about. Rodriguez makes the number-eight spot in the lineup a little better, especially against righties, but the idea that adding him is a coup is misguided, largely because he has a reputation and Molina doesn't. The skill sets are similar.The Yankees didn't really need a guy like Pudge. They needed a left-handed-hitting catcher with some OBP skills. Gregg Zaun, very available, would have been a strong platoon partner for Molina, getting him out of the starting lineup four days a week against the guys he can't hit, and giving the Yankees an OBP boost at the bottom of the order, while sacrificing defense for six innings each night. Now, not only do the Yankees get just that small upgrade at catcher, but they'll be wasting a roster spot on Molina; you don't need a backup catcher who is a writ-small version of your starter, you need a backup catcher who does the things the starter doesn't do. Carrying Molina will be a wasted roster spot for a team whose bench is already pretty sad.Farnsworth goes from a forgotten man behind Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras, to a critical piece of the Tigers' puzzle. With Todd Jones and Fernando Rodney both imploding, and the ever-present danger that Joel Zumaya will turn up lame, Farnsworth moves into high-leverage innings in Detroit, quite possibly as the closer. He's the biggest winner in this trade: six weeks from hitting the market as a nobody, Farnsworth could turn 20 good innings and 15 saves into another long-term contract in an industry in which no one remembers anything but the last thing you did. He has a chance to shed the labels put on him going back to his time with the Cubs. Even if he doesn't quite cash in the chance, his ability to miss bats will make him a welcome addition in Detroit, and his struggles with the long ball could be masked by a home park that reduces home runs.The Tigers replace Rodriguez with Brandon Inge, completing the cycle in which Inge moved from catcher to utility guy to third baseman to utility guy and back to catcher. Inge can throw, he's a good receiver, and he hits and runs well for a catcher. The gap between what he is and what Rodriguez is thought to be is wide; the gap between what the two players are, however, is tiny, and a gamble well worth taking on an upside play for a bullpen leaking oil and dropping parts.
I really like baseball prospectus, but this article is from someone who swung and missed BAD.There is so much wrong with what is written that I don't have the time to cover it all, but I will say that it is clear that this writer does not understand that catchers hit poorly because of the beating they take daily. he also is not taking into account the value of calling a good game or slowing a running attack. Molina does that as well as anyone in the league. However, if he starts to catch every day that ONE talent he has will diminish because your arm is not as fresh etc...Watch if Inge plays every day how is offense will suffer by the end of the year. Look at the ONE run differential for CERA between Pudge and Inge...If IRod is 3rd in OPS for catchers and is still a solid defender, that would make him a top 5 catcher without question...Inge is not that. if Pudge can give the Yanks an OPS of .750 and play decent defense it is a HUGE upgrade over Moeller and is still an upgrade over Molina who is an awful hitter but will stay in better and more effective shape playing 1/3 of the games. The only part that I agree about in the article is his point about Farnsworth
So basically you like BP unless they don't agree with you? The offense of Detroit will not suffer with Inge over IRod, that's absolutely ridiculous. Also you are telling us what Inge isn't without giving him a chance to show us what he is. On the flip side let's see how IRod's OPS plummets because he has to play everyday. This will not end well for you I assure you. Pudge has no where to go but down if he's not in a platoon. Tiger fans saw it all last year and this year until Inge started playing every other game. Then Pudge started to hit. Pudge has no power and doesn't walk, his OPS will get no better than it is right now. Book it.
C'mon Dr. that is weak. It has nothing to do with not agreeing with me and everything to do with reality. I will go into some of the reasons the article is off base and then address your misconceptions about the rest helping IROD.
Farnsworth's "disappointment" label and his spot as about the fourth-best reliever
Farnsworth goes from a forgotten man behind Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras
Forgotten man??? Has this guy watched any Yankee games? Farnsworth was the setup guy for the Yanks, he was almost always used exclusively in the 8th inning; how is that a forgotten man??? Irresponsible writing.
Consider that Rodriguez and Molina are very similar players in type: excellent defensive catchers with little speed, middling power, and a tendency to swing at everything. doing so—.268/.311/.405 for his career, and over .300 with good power since 2004. It is a skill he possesses, and in a platoon role, would be acceptable.
There are similarities in that they are both good defensively, but saying Molina has good power is comical as he has NO HR's this year and had a grand total of ONE in 2007. Further, Molina is the slowest person in baseball and Pudge runs OK for a catcher. They do both swing at everything though
Pudge has produced nine runs above replacement this season in 328 PAs, Molina five runs below in 218. Over the last two months, the offensive upgrade for the Yankees won't be worth more than that 14-run gap, and with the defense a wash, this trade is a one-win upgrade, not nearly enough to get excited about. Rodriguez makes the number-eight spot in the lineup a little better, especially against righties, but the idea that adding him is a coup is misguided, largely because he has a reputation and Molina doesn't. The skill sets are similar.
First if you really use the stats, one could argue that the difference is 1.4 wins and if they both can keep each other healthy AND give them depth, that is a positive. An injury to Molina would have been a season lost as Moeller is terrible. if that ends up being 2 wins instead of losses over the last 1/3 of the year then ask the Yanks whether they will need those 2 wins at the end of the year...they most likely will. 2 losses turned to wins is a lot and it is irresponsible to say otherwise.
The Yankees didn't really need a guy like Pudge. They needed a left-handed-hitting catcher with some OBP skills. Gregg Zaun, very available, would have been a strong platoon partner for Molina, getting him out of the starting lineup four days a week against the guys he can't hit, and giving the Yankees an OBP boost at the bottom of the order, while sacrificing defense for six innings each night. Now, not only do the Yankees get just that small upgrade at catcher, but they'll be wasting a roster spot on Molina; you don't need a backup catcher who is a writ-small version of your starter, you need a backup catcher who does the things the starter doesn't do. Carrying Molina will be a wasted roster spot for a team whose bench is already pretty sad.
Once again, this guy does not understand the value of a good defensive catcher. Zaun is poor defensively and the Yankees need guys to hit lefties not more lefties. teams are always trying to throw lefties at them because the rest of the team is dominant against righties. They even might have Matsui if his knee holds up. Further, the Yankees bench is far better now that they have added some righties to a team that overloaded with lefty bats (Sexon and Nady)The Tigers replace Rodriguez with Brandon Inge.... Inge can throw, he's a good receiver, and he hits and runs well for a catcher. The gap between what he is and what Rodriguez is thought to be is wide; the gap between what the two players are, however, is tiny, and a gamble well worth taking on an upside play for a bullpen leaking oil and dropping partsThe gap is large because of the defensive difference. The writer is irresponsible by saying that Inge can throw and is a good receiver when Inge has thrown out only 20% of the runners (Pudge was around 35%) and his CERA is a full run higher than Pudge's...that is huge. As for your assumption about IRod's OPS plummeting playing every day (and the Yanks will catch Molina at the minimum 25% of the time anyway) the stats don't really show this. IROD got off to a horrific start, but at the end of April he caught 11 of 12 games during this time IROD hit .333 with 40% of those hits being doubles. In May, he was given 7 days off and caught 20 games (he was catching about 75% of the games) and he only had an OPS of .637In June he was given off 8 days and caught 19 games (this is only 1 game difference from May) and he had an OPS of .877In July, before he sat out and was traded, he was given 7 days off and caught 15 games and had an OPS of about .850So where is your mysterious correlation? There isn't any other than a guy getting off to a slow start. Now do I expect an OPS of .850, no way, but an OPS of .750 is a HUGE upgrade over an OPS of a horrific .599 from Molina (yes that is not a misprint)As for Pudge's OPS the rest of the year? I would expect it to hold around .750 or so. But, I would be more worried about Inge maintaining his OPS of .770 the rest of the way if I were you. Just wait until those little nicks and bruises start to add up. The last time Inge caught was in 2004 when he had an OPS .793, which was pretty good considering when he caught (30% of his AB's) his OPS was .690.This was poor writing Dr. and had nothing to do with me disagreeing.
I'm gonna have to tackle this completely sober and awake, not tonight. Good stuff though. More to follow.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
MAC_32 said:
BInge - two passed balls, two Rays runs, they lead by two
Are you gonna do this for the rest of the season? The second one was a wild pitch by Zumaya n00b.
The second one could have gone either way, I think it should have been blocked. And don't take this as BInge bashing, I love BInge, I just think this was a really dumb move.
 
So we got legitimate bullpen help for a guy who platoons at catcher, whines in the clubhouse and will be gone from the Tigers in two mths. Works for me.
Legit bullpen help?last 3 years

4.34 era

1.39 WHIP

Declining K/9

Declining K/BB

Increasing HR rate

Increasing OPS against

Increasing BAA

He's another body, nothing more, and we gave up a quality player at a scare position.
You had me up until here. Inge's production at catcher will be equal or greater to what Ol'-Rod and his EXPIRING CONTRACT would have done, with less salary and less clubhouse whining. Meanwhile, you get a warm body for the bullpen. The overreacting of I-Rod's supposed greatness is almost comical.
Pudge's defense >>>>>> Inge's, it's not even close.EDIT: this doesn't even take into account the trickle down effect, Inge was our late inning defensive replacement - no one in the current lineup sports a glove close to as good as his. That and Inge can't catch everyday, his days off will be covered by minor league talent. Can't wait!
Why do you even post in this thread Debbie Downer? :goodposting: at "quality player".
Because I'm not a blind homer that trys to spin every move my favorite team's make as "the right move?" I've been on board with most things the front office have done in rebuilding this franchise from the ruins of 03, but there have been several very questionable moves in my eyes since the end of last season. This just adds to the list. I just hope Inge doesn't get hurt, you all defending this trade will be begging for Pudge back if that were to happen.
Tigers aren't going to make the playoffs. Pudge would be too expensive next year. At least they have a slim shot of keeping Farnsworth.
 
SofaKings said:
So we got legitimate bullpen help for a guy who platoons at catcher, whines in the clubhouse and will be gone from the Tigers in two mths. Works for me.
Legit bullpen help?last 3 years

4.34 era

1.39 WHIP

Declining K/9

Declining K/BB

Increasing HR rate

Increasing OPS against

Increasing BAA

He's another body, nothing more, and we gave up a quality player at a scare position.
You had me up until here. Inge's production at catcher will be equal or greater to what Ol'-Rod and his EXPIRING CONTRACT would have done, with less salary and less clubhouse whining. Meanwhile, you get a warm body for the bullpen. The overreacting of I-Rod's supposed greatness is almost comical.
Pudge's defense >>>>>> Inge's, it's not even close.EDIT: this doesn't even take into account the trickle down effect, Inge was our late inning defensive replacement - no one in the current lineup sports a glove close to as good as his. That and Inge can't catch everyday, his days off will be covered by minor league talent. Can't wait!
Why do you even post in this thread Debbie Downer? :unsure: at "quality player".
Because I'm not a blind homer that trys to spin every move my favorite team's make as "the right move?" I've been on board with most things the front office have done in rebuilding this franchise from the ruins of 03, but there have been several very questionable moves in my eyes since the end of last season. This just adds to the list. I just hope Inge doesn't get hurt, you all defending this trade will be begging for Pudge back if that were to happen.
Tigers aren't going to make the playoffs.
6 1/2 back, 2 months to go, season's far from over even though it seems many have already thrown in the towel. I'm sure these same comments were made regarding Colorado and Philly this time last year too, ye a little faith.
 
SofaKings said:
So we got legitimate bullpen help for a guy who platoons at catcher, whines in the clubhouse and will be gone from the Tigers in two mths. Works for me.
Legit bullpen help?last 3 years

4.34 era

1.39 WHIP

Declining K/9

Declining K/BB

Increasing HR rate

Increasing OPS against

Increasing BAA

He's another body, nothing more, and we gave up a quality player at a scare position.
You had me up until here. Inge's production at catcher will be equal or greater to what Ol'-Rod and his EXPIRING CONTRACT would have done, with less salary and less clubhouse whining. Meanwhile, you get a warm body for the bullpen. The overreacting of I-Rod's supposed greatness is almost comical.
Pudge's defense >>>>>> Inge's, it's not even close.EDIT: this doesn't even take into account the trickle down effect, Inge was our late inning defensive replacement - no one in the current lineup sports a glove close to as good as his. That and Inge can't catch everyday, his days off will be covered by minor league talent. Can't wait!
Why do you even post in this thread Debbie Downer? :confused: at "quality player".
Because I'm not a blind homer that trys to spin every move my favorite team's make as "the right move?" I've been on board with most things the front office have done in rebuilding this franchise from the ruins of 03, but there have been several very questionable moves in my eyes since the end of last season. This just adds to the list. I just hope Inge doesn't get hurt, you all defending this trade will be begging for Pudge back if that were to happen.
Tigers aren't going to make the playoffs.
6 1/2 back, 2 months to go, season's far from over even though it seems many have already thrown in the towel. I'm sure these same comments were made regarding Colorado and Philly this time last year too, ye a little faith.
I thought I was a blind homer???
 

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