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Tiki Barber - What's your take (1 Viewer)

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I'd be intrested in getting your views on Tiki Barber, I have the 5th and given Portis being taken at 4, I really am at a crossroads with this guy.

Obviously he has been absolutely unbelievable the past two years, with over 400 touches last year. My question is, do you think the age factor is seriosuly going to cut his production this year. I have yet to see a 31 year old running back but up monster numbers outside of Curtis Martin two years ago. Priest was coming off a 27TD' season in 03 and then turned 31 in '04 and has yet to be the same. I just dont want to risk this high first round draft pick on a guy that due to age can take a serious dip in production this year.

Thoughts?

 
If you are drafting a dynasty or keeper you may want to pass on Tiki that early. I'd take him in a heart beat in a redraft. Not only did CMart have a good year over 30 yrs old... He won the rushing title. Barber shared carries with Dayne early in his career for a guy his age he look hasn't carried the ball all that much.

I had him last year and thus I watched a lot of his games, Tiki looks like he just hit his prime. His prime won't last as long as a younger guy but you have nothing to worry about this year.

 
I'm a GIANTS fan and love Tiki. I thought he was consistently underrated for years and finally started getting some love 2 yrs ago and a lotta love last year. That said, I would pass on him at #5 this year. There's a saying I kind of like for this situation - "When you see the news on the cover of a magazine, it's not longer NEWs"... my take on this is that the media takes so long to pick up on trends that by the time they do, the trend is over.. i.e. the "Cover Curse" - it's not a curse, it's just that the guy was so unbelievable you have to put him on the cover, but by that point he has nowhere to go but down. It's extremely difficult to reproduce that kind of, umm.. err... production. I would prefer to take my chances on a younger guy with upside (s.jackson) rather than counting on long-time veteran reproducing career-year type numbers. just my $.02

 
After the top three, I'm like you...a bit at a loss. Right now I see about 6 RB's all about the same. I keep having this recurring nightmare that I'll have to draft #4 or #5. ***SHIVER***

Truthfully, I'm hoping to have it straightened out by my draft, but if forced to choose today, I'd try to trade draft slots and pick 2 of what's left at the turn! I wouldn't be taking Tiki though, I'd take my chances on one of the others.

 
I like Tiki but I also fear I may be too late to the party. He's been great for a few years now and I doubted it so I was never able to reap any of the benefits. Old habits die hard as now I feel he has nowhere to go but down, just like Glatty said.

 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.

 
I'd take Rudi, S. Jackson, Caddy, Brown and Jordan all over him
Do you have an opening in your league?
Okay genius. Let's see if the 31 year old can do it this year against a horrible schedule.Sep 10 Indianapolis 8:15pm

Sep 17 @Philadelphia 1:00pm

Sep 24 @Seattle 4:15pm

Week 4 BYE

Oct 8 Washington 1:00pm

Oct 15 @Atlanta 1:00pm

Oct 23 @Dallas 8:30pm

Oct 29 Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Nov 5 Houston 1:00pm

Nov 12 Chicago 1:00pm

Nov 20 @Jacksonville 8:30pm

Nov 26 @Tennessee 1:00pm

Dec 3 Dallas 1:00pm

Dec 10 @Carolina 1:00pm

Dec 17 Philadelphia 1:00pm

Dec 24 New Orleans 1:00pm

Dec 30 @Washington

Take it from an Eli Manning owner, this schedule is rough. You can take him if you want put YOU will be this one who is disappointed if you do.

I'd be shocked if the Giants won 7 games this year.

 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
 
I'm in this situation right now as well...hold the #4 pick and I'm certain Portis will not be there for me and I'm really unsure of Tiki at #4. In our league we can pick our draft spots, so I can either stay @ 1.04 or bump down (12 team, 2 keeper 14 round draft league). I've put out a couple trade offers to owners at 1.07 and 1.08 that if Portis isn't there for me at 1.04 we do a deal, no action yet. I can always just take one of those spots, but right now I'm riding it out until the draft gets closer...

...at least bumping down would almost assure me of a top 5 REC, so that may be the way to go...let someone else sweat the 1.04 pick...

Maybe get a Jordon, Jackson, Westbrook or Rudi at 1.07 and hope for a top 5 in the second...

 
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I'm in this situation right now as well...hold the #4 pick and I'm certain Portis will not be there for me and I'm really unsure of Tiki at #4. In our league we can pick our draft spots, so I can either stay @ 1.04 or bump down (12 team, 2 keeper 14 round draft league). I've put out a couple trade offers to owners at 1.07 and 1.08 that if Portis isn't there for me at 1.04 we do a deal, no action yet. I can always just take one of those spots, but right now I'm riding it out until the draft gets closer...

...at least bumping down would almost assure me of a top 5 REC, so that may be the way to go...let someone else sweat the 1.04 pick...

Maybe get a Jordon, Jackson, Westbrook or Rudi at 1.07 and hope for a top 5 in the second...
LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis, who are you not taking if you have the #4?
 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Neither did Dillon or Martin.
 
LJ is a 5th ROund keeper this year (nice value huh..). LT and Alexander will be 1-2. Guy ahead of me is pretty savvy, so I'm fairly positive he will take either Tiki or Portis. If he takes Portis, I'd be upset, but I'd probably take either Jackson or Jordan at 4. They are rated right behind Portis and Tiki on my projections/cheatsheet. However, that's why I'm thinking about bumping down a couple spots, because I'm fairly sure one of Edge, Jackson, Rudi, Jordan, Tiki will be there at 1.07 or 1.08, and I'd have a better shot at a TOP REC (I already have Fitz with my 3rd and Dunn with my 4th ROund picks as keepers.

The only one I wouldn't probably take at 4 would be Manning....

 
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I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Uh...so what? RBs that fall off due to age often don't show any signs of it the year before. Cmart led the league in rushing before he fell off. Eddie George went for 1300/12 just before he fell off. Priest was on pace to break the TD record again before he fell off.I'm not saying I think Tiki is going to suffer the same fate this year, but how he looked last year has little bearing on it.

 
I'm in this situation right now as well...hold the #4 pick and I'm certain Portis will not be there for me and I'm really unsure of Tiki at #4. In our league we can pick our draft spots, so I can either stay @ 1.04 or bump down (12 team, 2 keeper 14 round draft league). I've put out a couple trade offers to owners at 1.07 and 1.08 that if Portis isn't there for me at 1.04 we do a deal, no action yet. I can always just take one of those spots, but right now I'm riding it out until the draft gets closer...

...at least bumping down would almost assure me of a top 5 REC, so that may be the way to go...let someone else sweat the 1.04 pick...

Maybe get a Jordon, Jackson, Westbrook or Rudi at 1.07 and hope for a top 5 in the second...
LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis, who are you not taking if you have the #4?
:goodposting: I gotta know who you are not taking

 
I'm in this situation right now as well...hold the #4 pick and I'm certain Portis will not be there for me and I'm really unsure of Tiki at #4.  In our league we can pick our draft spots, so I can either stay @ 1.04 or bump down (12 team, 2 keeper 14 round draft league).  I've put out a couple trade offers to owners at 1.07 and 1.08 that if Portis isn't there for me at 1.04 we do a deal, no action yet.  I can always just take one of those spots, but right now I'm riding it out until the draft gets closer...

...at least bumping down would almost assure me of a top 5 REC, so that may be the way to go...let someone else sweat the 1.04 pick...

Maybe get a Jordon, Jackson, Westbrook or Rudi at 1.07 and hope for a top 5 in the second...
LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis, who are you not taking if you have the #4?
:goodposting: I gotta know who you are not taking
That is a keeper league so the 1.04 traslates to the 1.05 pick. I only know from an ACF thread. One of the big 3 is kept. I think it is LJ, since he was a mid round pick last year.
 
I'm in this situation right now as well...hold the #4 pick and I'm certain Portis will not be there for me and I'm really unsure of Tiki at #4.  In our league we can pick our draft spots, so I can either stay @ 1.04 or bump down (12 team, 2 keeper 14 round draft league).  I've put out a couple trade offers to owners at 1.07 and 1.08 that if Portis isn't there for me at 1.04 we do a deal, no action yet.  I can always just take one of those spots, but right now I'm riding it out until the draft gets closer...

...at least bumping down would almost assure me of a top 5 REC, so that may be the way to go...let someone else sweat the 1.04 pick...

Maybe get a Jordon, Jackson, Westbrook or Rudi at 1.07 and hope for a top 5 in the second...
LJ, LT, Alexander and Portis, who are you not taking if you have the #4?
:goodposting: I gotta know who you are not taking
That is a keeper league so the 1.04 traslates to the 1.05 pick. I only know from an ACF thread. One of the big 3 is kept. I think it is LJ, since he was a mid round pick last year.
Manning.LJ, SA, LT and possibly Portis will not be there. see my editted post above (post #16).

 
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I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Uh...so what? RBs that fall off due to age often don't show any signs of it the year before. Cmart led the league in rushing before he fell off. Eddie George went for 1300/12 just before he fell off. Priest was on pace to break the TD record again before he fell off.I'm not saying I think Tiki is going to suffer the same fate this year, but how he looked last year has little bearing on it.
actually, Priest was hurt, his production never really fell off. Also, CMart lost two of his QBs and was battling 8 man fronts and injuries all year - if Pennington had stayed healthy (& Martin), my belief is he would have put up yet another solid season. In any event, Tiki has had a ton of touches the last few years, but early in his career they were limited, which may help preserve him. Also, he's not the most physical RB who pounds into the defense, taking vicious hits, which could also help him.

I think Tiki will be fine for this year -- I doubt he puts up nearly as many total yards, but 1500 total with 9-10 TDs should be within reach.

Next year is when I think he starts to drop off.

 
Another great year. Top 10 RB and then retires at the end of 2006-07 season after a tough playoff loss to the Eagles.

 
actually, Priest was hurt, his production never really fell off. Also, CMart lost two of his QBs and was battling 8 man fronts and injuries all year - if Pennington had stayed healthy (& Martin), my belief is he would have put up yet another solid season.

In any event, Tiki has had a ton of touches the last few years, but early in his career they were limited, which may help preserve him. Also, he's not the most physical RB who pounds into the defense, taking vicious hits, which could also help him.

I think Tiki will be fine for this year -- I doubt he puts up nearly as many total yards, but 1500 total with 9-10 TDs should be within reach.

Next year is when I think he starts to drop off.
Priest was a shadow of his former self this past season even when completely healthy. His ypc dropped to from 4.6 to under 4. Cmart's ypc was under 3 even before Pennington got hurt.
 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Uh...so what? RBs that fall off due to age often don't show any signs of it the year before. Cmart led the league in rushing before he fell off. Eddie George went for 1300/12 just before he fell off. Priest was on pace to break the TD record again before he fell off.I'm not saying I think Tiki is going to suffer the same fate this year, but how he looked last year has little bearing on it.
Okay so what you are saying here is that what happened to Curtis, Eddie and Priest, all of whom, to state the obvious, are NOT Tiki, has more bearing on what will happen to Tiki this year than what Tiki (who is Tiki) did last year?
 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Uh...so what? RBs that fall off due to age often don't show any signs of it the year before. Cmart led the league in rushing before he fell off. Eddie George went for 1300/12 just before he fell off. Priest was on pace to break the TD record again before he fell off.I'm not saying I think Tiki is going to suffer the same fate this year, but how he looked last year has little bearing on it.
Okay so what you are saying here is that what happened to Curtis, Eddie and Priest, all of whom, to state the obvious, are NOT Tiki, has more bearing on what will happen to Tiki this year than what Tiki (who is Tiki) did last year?
Yes, I think he's saying the Curtis Martin is a better gage of Tiki Barber than Tiki Barber -1 is.
 
I think Tiki Barber will be this year's version of Corey Dillon/Curtis Martin. I.E coming off a career year, but wear and tear and age catch up with them.
It's possible, but he really didn't show many signs of wearing down as the season wore on.
Uh...so what? RBs that fall off due to age often don't show any signs of it the year before. Cmart led the league in rushing before he fell off. Eddie George went for 1300/12 just before he fell off. Priest was on pace to break the TD record again before he fell off.I'm not saying I think Tiki is going to suffer the same fate this year, but how he looked last year has little bearing on it.
Okay so what you are saying here is that what happened to Curtis, Eddie and Priest, all of whom, to state the obvious, are NOT Tiki, has more bearing on what will happen to Tiki this year than what Tiki (who is Tiki) did last year?
Yes, I think he's saying the Curtis Martin is a better gage of Tiki Barber than Tiki Barber -1 is.
Wow....try reading the posts next time rather than picking out two words and extrapolating the rest. His age was disregarded a bit because he didn't look like he was about to fall off last year, but RBs often don't look like they're about to fall off due to their age before they actually do. I was in no way, shape, or form saying that Tiki was going to fall off this year because Cmart and Priest did previously, those were just examples of the point that a guy can fall off to age even if he looks like a 22 year old the year before.I thought that was pretty clear, and it doesn't seem like it was very difficult to understand.

 
I'd be intrested in getting your views on Tiki Barber, I have the 5th and given Portis being taken at 4, I really am at a crossroads with this guy.

Obviously he has been absolutely unbelievable the past two years, with over 400 touches last year. My question is, do you think the age factor is seriosuly going to cut his production this year. I have yet to see a 31 year old running back but up monster numbers outside of Curtis Martin two years ago. Priest was coming off a 27TD' season in 03 and then turned 31 in '04 and has yet to be the same. I just dont want to risk this high first round draft pick on a guy that due to age can take a serious dip in production this year.

Thoughts?
Tiki has changed his workout routine and was stronger last season than he was previously. The Giants have a tough schedule but Tiki is going to get the ball, win or lose. Check out the following article on how hard he works out. In a redraft take Tiki at #5 and don't look back. The real questions start at picks 6-10. :banned: Driven by big ambition and a big man, he does the heavy lifting that has made him a more powerful ballcarrier

Tiki Barber wanted to get stronger. Much stronger. "For a couple of off-seasons I was boxing to get in cardiovascular shape," he says. "It's a phenomenal workout, but I wasn't getting strong. I had fumbling problems. I needed something different."

Enter Joe Carini, 46, a former competitive powerlifter who won New Jersey's Strongest Man competition six years running in the 1980s. Since February 2004 he has been training Barber in a spartan West Paterson, N.J., gym, and the eighth-year NFL vet has gained 18 pounds of muscle. Carini's philosophy is to do low reps of very high weight, with little rest in between. "When he's on the field, it's one shot," Carini says. "If [the Giants] are marching down the field, he doesn't have time to recuperate." Carini also incorporates unconventional exercises into the routine, including the "Tiki bag" (right) and the "yoke carry."

Has the regimen worked? Let's just say Barber has become one of the NFL's most explosive rushers. Last season, his first after training with Carini, Barber ran for a career-best 1,518 yards. As for the fumbles, Barber had only five -- down from an average of nearly nine a year the previous four seasons.

Tiki takes Five

1. LEG PRESS Two to six sets of two reps. High weight: 950 pounds. Builds leg drive.

2. SAFETY BAR SQUAT One squat per set. High weight: 750. Improves explosiveness.

3. STIFF-LEGGED DEADLIFT Bar held overhand with hands slightly more than shoulder width apart. Two to four sets of three reps. High weight: 405. Strengthens hamstrings, lower back.

4. YOKE CARRY (Photo above) With 400 pounds on barbell, carry yoke on shoulders 10 yards, turn and walk back. Strengthens hips, knees and upper back.

5. TIKI BAG Lie flat on back clutching a 130-pound weight bag on chest. Rise to a standing position, keeping bag in place. Throw down bag. Works abdominals and lower back

 
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Another great year. Top 10 RB and then retires at the end of 2006-07 season after a tough playoff loss to the Eagles.
He just signed a contract extension last year that runs through 2008. He said he would like to retire a Giant. If he stays healthy this year, I can see him finishing his contract, and then retiring.
 
I'd take Rudi, S. Jackson, Caddy, Brown and Jordan all over him
Do you have an opening in your league?
Okay genius. Let's see if the 31 year old can do it this year against a horrible schedule.Sep 10 Indianapolis 8:15pm

Sep 17 @Philadelphia 1:00pm

Sep 24 @Seattle 4:15pm

Week 4 BYE

Oct 8 Washington 1:00pm

Oct 15 @Atlanta 1:00pm

Oct 23 @Dallas 8:30pm

Oct 29 Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Nov 5 Houston 1:00pm

Nov 12 Chicago 1:00pm

Nov 20 @Jacksonville 8:30pm

Nov 26 @Tennessee 1:00pm

Dec 3 Dallas 1:00pm

Dec 10 @Carolina 1:00pm

Dec 17 Philadelphia 1:00pm

Dec 24 New Orleans 1:00pm

Dec 30 @Washington

Take it from an Eli Manning owner, this schedule is rough. You can take him if you want put YOU will be this one who is disappointed if you do.

I'd be shocked if the Giants won 7 games this year.
Someone has to win these games, and the Giants have every bit a chance at winning as the others. Also if the Giants do lose several games, Tiki is going to get the ball either way, plus when he isn't running, they involve him in the passing game.
 
Another great year. Top 10 RB and then retires at the end of 2006-07 season after a tough playoff loss to the Eagles.
He just signed a contract extension last year that runs through 2008. He said he would like to retire a Giant. If he stays healthy this year, I can see him finishing his contract, and then retiring.
Listening to him interviewed today, that was my take, too. He talked about having goals yet to achieve including # of yards (didn't specify the #) and superbowl ring. Mentioned he has many other things he wants to do -- I assume broadcasting is at the top of the list - he's been working at that for a few years. Now I'm not positive he specified "running backs" - may have said "players" (maybe someone else heard?) but he basically said they get pushed out vs. choosing to retire.
 
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I'd take Rudi, S. Jackson, Caddy, Brown and Jordan all over him
Do you have an opening in your league?
Okay genius. Let's see if the 31 year old can do it this year against a horrible schedule.Sep 10 Indianapolis 8:15pm

Sep 17 @Philadelphia 1:00pm

Sep 24 @Seattle 4:15pm

Week 4 BYE

Oct 8 Washington 1:00pm

Oct 15 @Atlanta 1:00pm

Oct 23 @Dallas 8:30pm

Oct 29 Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Nov 5 Houston 1:00pm

Nov 12 Chicago 1:00pm

Nov 20 @Jacksonville 8:30pm

Nov 26 @Tennessee 1:00pm

Dec 3 Dallas 1:00pm

Dec 10 @Carolina 1:00pm

Dec 17 Philadelphia 1:00pm

Dec 24 New Orleans 1:00pm

Dec 30 @Washington

Take it from an Eli Manning owner, this schedule is rough. You can take him if you want put YOU will be this one who is disappointed if you do.

I'd be shocked if the Giants won 7 games this year.
Someone has to win these games, and the Giants have every bit a chance at winning as the others. Also if the Giants do lose several games, Tiki is going to get the ball either way, plus when he isn't running, they involve him in the passing game.
My point was he has a very hard defensive schedule to play against.
 

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