Tiki Barber (1 Viewer)

[Doctor Detroit]

I've been trying to gage the Barber owners in my leagues to see what they are thinking and most of them are bearish on Tiki. His schedule isn't easy but the Giants are going to be ahead in at least half their games and I see Tiki getting a few more touches than he has been getting. I don't like him in the redzone but at this very moment after three weeks and the Giants on their bye, I see quite a bit of value in Barber who was the going at four or five in redrafts.

I say buy him low now while the getting is good.

 

[The Shizzle]

I am selling him low in my league right now. It is a 3 man keeper and noone is interested. General consensus id that Tiki is a good playoff run kind of player, nobody wants to trade a "younger RB" for him. His schedule doesn't help either, nor the fact that the Giants run is non-existent when they are trailing by at least 21 at the half so far this season. I am struggling with his 10-12 points per game on my roster.

 

[mojorizin]

I dont know what the devil to do with him. I'm guessing I ended up drafting him in the year he returned to prior form and started the inexorable downslide. Not that he's a bad player at all, but like a lot of big time fantasy backs, he looks like Walter Payton when there are holes the size of tractor trailers to run through and when the line just doesnt play so well..........well, things change.

As long as he continues to catch the ball, he'll have a good season, so I'll hold and hope.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dont know what the devil to do with him. I'm guessing I ended up drafting him in the year he returned to prior form and started the inexorable downslide. Not that he's a bad player at all, but like a lot of big time fantasy backs, he looks like Walter Payton when there are holes the size of tractor trailers to run through and when the line just doesnt play so well..........well, things change.As long as he continues to catch the ball, he'll have a good season, so I'll hold and hope.

If I had him I think I’d be frustrated but then again having Caddy on a team is even worse. Not having Barber makes me want to see who is willing to part with him and is beyond frustration with his first three games. I am a pretty patient player and like to see these slow starts when I don't have the guy on my team, because it provides a tremendous opportunity for upgrades. I think Barber will be fine once the giants get into a rhythm and a damn lead in a game! Once they settle down I see Tiki's ship back on course for a top ten finish. I'd keep him if I were you.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm considering selling.

 

[Rhino]

... I'll hold and hope.

This is exactly what I'm planning to do. Let's face it, I spent the fourth pick of the draft on him, and there's no way I'm going to get that kind of value for him in a trade. I think the Seahawks game was a bit of an aborration - the Giants were behind very early and I knew the running game would suffer for it. Most weeks the score will be closer and Barber will have better numbers.The only things that really have me worried are Brandon Jacobs in the red zone, and Tiki's health.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Kind of surprised more people aren't talking about this. I guess the sell high guys are the rage.

 

[yaheRRdme]

I just traded Tiki & Cotchery.. for Holt & C. Taylor.

 

[Todem]

Hold

 

[mojorizin]

I just traded Tiki & Cotchery.. for Holt & C. Taylor.

Like that trade. I'd move Cotchery immediately.

 

[bojanglingus]

Tiki is on pace for 1904 total yards this season (1200 rushing and 704 receiving) to go along with 85 catches and no scores. While he may not reach these yardage and receiving numbers, you have to assume he pops in a few touchdowns.

If you think you can trade for someone with better production, I say good luck.

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

I'm holding. I still think he has as good a chance as anyone outside of Tomlinson to finish in the top 5. Can't imagine that I would get that kind of value for him right now.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

I'm holding. I still think he has as good a chance as anyone outside of Tomlinson to finish in the top 5. Can't imagine that I would get that kind of value for him right now.

agreed.

 

[Kraft...]

Another Hold here, I have him in a PPR so he's been pretty decent thus far.

 

[Turbo Punch]

He's a hold for me. In my PPR league he's currently the 6th ranked RB.

He is ranked 4th in yards from scrimmage in the NFL and 6th in yards from scrimmage per game. LT & LJ are aheard of him and have only played 2 games so far.

He will get his 7 - 10 TDs.

 

[mozzy84]

sold here - barber and stallworth for Chester Taylor and CJ. regular scoring, No point per catch.

 

[stp-d]

HOLD. You gotta love him in PPR leagues. The talk about getting Jacobs in the game more is probably because Jacobs has been crying for the ball. Tiki doesn't get the ball within the 5, but he is good for a min of 5 rec & 18 rushes between the 20's the rest of the way.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Guy in my big league is holding Barber so I traded Fred Taylor for Caddy. He was another target of mine this week and a guy that I think is a buy low guy. Even if he sucks he's my #3/4 RB in a league we only have one flex.

 

[Keepers]

sold here - barber and stallworth for Chester Taylor and CJ. regular scoring, No point per catch.

Good trade for you. If can get good value for Tiki based on his rep, than do it ... like Moss, think that someone will pay a lot for Tiki just on his name and he is not going to live up to it.

 

[H.K.]

Sell. Jacobs will only get more involved. That team is imploding, too. Tiki is worthless now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Sell. Jacobs will only get more involved. That team is imploding, too. Tiki is worthless now.

Since I would usually do the exact opposite of what you say, Tiki seems like a must get now. Giants will be fine after their bye week. Having that many explosive personalities and a coach who is hardass you are going to have team issues. With the talent they have and considering they played three of the NFL's best teams in the first three weeks it is reasonable to believe that they will rebound nicely. Jacobs has a good future and definitely will be a part of the offense but Tiki has still has a lot left. Jacobs is an upright runner and he will have difficulty with fumbles and taking hits although I've said all along (since he was at Auburn), he will be good.

 

[H.K.]

Sell. Jacobs will only get more involved. That team is imploding, too. Tiki is worthless now.

Since I would usually do the exact opposite of what you say, Tiki seems like a must get now. Giants will be fine after their bye week. Having that many explosive personalities and a coach who is hardass you are going to have team issues. With the talent they have and considering they played three of the NFL's best teams in the first three weeks it is reasonable to believe that they will rebound nicely. Jacobs has a good future and definitely will be a part of the offense but Tiki has still has a lot left. Jacobs is an upright runner and he will have difficulty with fumbles and taking hits although I've said all along (since he was at Auburn), he will be good.

Basically, its an RBBC now, except Jacobs will get the TD's. Barber = Addai.

Giants | Jacobs to see increased action over course of seasonTue, 26 Sep 2006 13:16:42 -0700New York Giants running backs coach Jerald Ingram said backup RB Brandon Jacobs will continue to receive more of a workload relieving starting RB Tiki Barber throughout the season as they want him to gain experience and contribute more to the offense. "He's right there contributing and right where we want him to be," Ingram said of Jacobs. "We want him to be more, and hopefully as it goes on each week he's going to do more. He has to do more."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Sell. Jacobs will only get more involved. That team is imploding, too. Tiki is worthless now.

Since I would usually do the exact opposite of what you say, Tiki seems like a must get now. Giants will be fine after their bye week. Having that many explosive personalities and a coach who is hardass you are going to have team issues. With the talent they have and considering they played three of the NFL's best teams in the first three weeks it is reasonable to believe that they will rebound nicely. Jacobs has a good future and definitely will be a part of the offense but Tiki has still has a lot left. Jacobs is an upright runner and he will have difficulty with fumbles and taking hits although I've said all along (since he was at Auburn), he will be good.

Basically, its an RBBC now, except Jacobs will get the TD's. Barber = Addai.

Giants | Jacobs to see increased action over course of seasonTue, 26 Sep 2006 13:16:42 -0700New York Giants running backs coach Jerald Ingram said backup RB Brandon Jacobs will continue to receive more of a workload relieving starting RB Tiki Barber throughout the season as they want him to gain experience and contribute more to the offense. "He's right there contributing and right where we want him to be," Ingram said of Jacobs. "We want him to be more, and hopefully as it goes on each week he's going to do more. He has to do more."

I guess I'm missing the part in the article where it says Jacobs will be getting all the TDs.

 

[Beaumont]

Sold for Thomas Jones and a mid 2007 first round pick in a 16 team IDP dynasty ...

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Tiki and his brother have a weekly show on Sirius NFL.

Tiki spends alot of time talking about 'life after football', and indicating he won't be playing much longer.

Makes me wonder if he's lost the fire.

 

[H.K.]

I guess I'm missing the part in the article where it says Jacobs will be getting all the TDs.

Watch the games. Read the post game logs. Look at stats.All these things prove Jacobs is the guy at the stripe. Indisputable evidence.

Barber might get five TD's this season...but that's his ceiling.

 

[H.K.]

Tiki and his brother have a weekly show on Sirius NFL.Tiki spends alot of time talking about 'life after football', and indicating he won't be playing much longer.Makes me wonder if he's lost the fire.

Good point. He's done. The Giants know it and they are transitioning to Jacobs to see if he can handle the load next year.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Sell. Jacobs will only get more involved. That team is imploding, too. Tiki is worthless now.

i thought this was a schtick, but now u're starting to make sense.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I guess I'm missing the part in the article where it says Jacobs will be getting all the TDs.

Watch the games. Read the post game logs. Look at stats.All these things prove Jacobs is the guy at the stripe. Indisputable evidence.

Barber might get five TD's this season...but that's his ceiling.

Barber has 53 carries and 16 receptions and 23 targets.Jacobs has 14 carries and one reception with two targets.

Who needs to watch the games? Post game logs? I'll suggest you can google these stats and make an argument that makes sense but I doubt you'll ever do that. Nice empirical evidence as always HK.

 

[matuski]

HK I can only assume you have league members on this board you are setting up...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

HK I can only assume you have league members on this board you are setting up...

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[H.K.]

I guess I'm missing the part in the article where it says Jacobs will be getting all the TDs.

Watch the games. Read the post game logs. Look at stats.All these things prove Jacobs is the guy at the stripe. Indisputable evidence.

Barber might get five TD's this season...but that's his ceiling.

Barber has 53 carries and 16 receptions and 23 targets.Jacobs has 14 carries and one reception with two targets.

Who needs to watch the games? Post game logs? I'll suggest you can google these stats and make an argument that makes sense but I doubt you'll ever do that. Nice empirical evidence as always HK.

Comprehension down? I was discussing TDs.Barber has zero.

Jacobs has a one yard plunge

Barber has zero carries inside the oppositions 15 yard line, Jacobs has three.

Now the team is openly admitting to giving Jacobs consistently more work, so Tiki's touches will continue to fall. You're right, nothing to see here.

 

[H.K.]

HK I can only assume you have league members on this board you are setting up...

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Not in a league with any of these people. Sorry.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I guess I'm missing the part in the article where it says Jacobs will be getting all the TDs.

Watch the games. Read the post game logs. Look at stats.All these things prove Jacobs is the guy at the stripe. Indisputable evidence.

Barber might get five TD's this season...but that's his ceiling.

Barber has 53 carries and 16 receptions and 23 targets.Jacobs has 14 carries and one reception with two targets.

Who needs to watch the games? Post game logs? I'll suggest you can google these stats and make an argument that makes sense but I doubt you'll ever do that. Nice empirical evidence as always HK.

Comprehension down? I was discussing TDs.Barber has zero.

Jacobs has a one yard plunge

Barber has zero carries inside the oppositions 15 yard line, Jacobs has three.

Ok then. So this is your data to support your claim that Tiki is done? Because Jacobs has one TD and the Giants as a team have three rushes inside the 15? That's really not a great sample size HK. If it gets to 20 carries inside the 20 and Jacobs has 15, then I'll listen. Jacobs will continue to get more carries but I think it's way too early to say Tiki is "worthless."

 

[H.K.]

Ok then. So this is your data to support your claim that Tiki is done? Because Jacobs has one TD and the Giants as a team have three rushes inside the 15? That's really not a great sample size HK. If it gets to 20 carries inside the 20 and Jacobs has 15, then I'll listen. Jacobs will continue to get more carries but I think it's way too early to say Tiki is "worthless."

Tell you what, I'll teach a man to fish here...Go look up the distance for Barber's TD's last year and look at the distance of Jacobs' scores.It should be interesting to see how you interpret this data.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ok then. So this is your data to support your claim that Tiki is done? Because Jacobs has one TD and the Giants as a team have three rushes inside the 15? That's really not a great sample size HK. If it gets to 20 carries inside the 20 and Jacobs has 15, then I'll listen. Jacobs will continue to get more carries but I think it's way too early to say Tiki is "worthless."

Tell you what, I'll teach a man to fish here...Go look up the distance for Barber's TD's last year and look at the distance of Jacobs' scores.It should be interesting to see how you interpret this data.

Ok. I could also look at carries, touches, targets, total TDS, and that crazy statistic we call "yards" and I think those might be a better indicator of reality.

 

[chief of staff]

I'm holding

 

[H.K.]

Ok then. So this is your data to support your claim that Tiki is done? Because Jacobs has one TD and the Giants as a team have three rushes inside the 15? That's really not a great sample size HK. If it gets to 20 carries inside the 20 and Jacobs has 15, then I'll listen. Jacobs will continue to get more carries but I think it's way too early to say Tiki is "worthless."

Tell you what, I'll teach a man to fish here...Go look up the distance for Barber's TD's last year and look at the distance of Jacobs' scores.It should be interesting to see how you interpret this data.

Ok. I could also look at carries, touches, targets, total TDS, and that crazy statistic we call "yards" and I think those might be a better indicator of reality.

Exactly what I thought I'd get from you. No effoert, no analysis, and absolutely no understanding of how his situation has changed or how it will negatively impact him this season when compared to last yearPurpose of the thread: Buy/Sell/HoldThe time to sell Barber is now, when people still associate him with last year's stats. He won't come anywhere close to those numbers this year.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Before last weeks games I traded Tiki and Coles for LJ. I'm happy with that.

 

[Jmon]

Having seen most of the Giants game, I'd say Tiki's biggest problem is the Giant defense. With the Giants down by multiple touchdowns for most of the season, Eli is airing it out and running the ball is an afterthought. Tiki looks good to me, but will the Giants need to run a more ball control offense, that is the question.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

In real football, Tiki is perfectly fine. Check Football Outsiders' stats...he rates as the #5 RB in the league, and one of the guys currently above him is Ladell Betts. So his actual skill is not declining at all.

Also, the Giants just made it through the most difficult stretch of their schedule. Between Indy, Philly, and Seattle, it's a minor miracle they won 1 game even. Don't expect the first-half blowouts to continue, and don't expect the team to fall apart.

The one problem I have with Tiki is Jacobs at the goal line. His improvement from last year to this year is off the charts...remember those FO stats I told you about, where Tiki ranked 5th? Well, #4 is Jacobs, in just 14 carries no less. Don't expect Tiki to get almost any short-yardage work at all; heck, in an interview before the season on NFL Network, he even said something to the effect of "don't draft me, Jacobs is gonna get the touchdowns!"

However, since so many other teams use goal-line backs or committees these days, Tiki should still be top 5 even in non-PPR. He'll be among the league leaders in total yardage again, and he'll get a few long scores. Also, using Jacobs for non-goal-line carries is a good thing IMO; Tiki has gotten a lot of touches over the past couple years, so the relief could possibly prevent him from breaking down.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ok then. So this is your data to support your claim that Tiki is done? Because Jacobs has one TD and the Giants as a team have three rushes inside the 15? That's really not a great sample size HK. If it gets to 20 carries inside the 20 and Jacobs has 15, then I'll listen. Jacobs will continue to get more carries but I think it's way too early to say Tiki is "worthless."

Tell you what, I'll teach a man to fish here...Go look up the distance for Barber's TD's last year and look at the distance of Jacobs' scores.It should be interesting to see how you interpret this data.

Ok. I could also look at carries, touches, targets, total TDS, and that crazy statistic we call "yards" and I think those might be a better indicator of reality.

Exactly what I thought I'd get from you. No effoert, no analysis, and absolutely no understanding of how his situation has changed or how it will negatively impact him this season when compared to last yearPurpose of the thread: Buy/Sell/HoldThe time to sell Barber is now, when people still associate him with last year's stats. He won't come anywhere close to those numbers this year.

So your Tiki is done and Tiki is worthless is analysis? Your three carries inside the 20 is analysis? Your not using your spell check is effort? I can't believe you went in the second round of the SP D-bag draft. That was a steal. When you are presented with facts like touches and targets you want to say things have changed perceptually. Then when you are told you are wrong on statistics that anyone could look up with three clicks you say that they offer no perspective or effort. Seriously why do you think you can continue to do this without people calling you out? It's not like I'm the only one who notices. Brandon Jacobs is a stud and Tiki Barber is worthless and we need to check the "game logs" if we want to see the true story. We check the game logs and find out Barber is getting three times as many touches. This is pretty much what you've contributed here. Nice job. Collect your gold Shark pool watch at the door.