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Tim Hightower (1 Viewer)

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Owning this guy has been quite the roller coaster ride. I was thrilled when he got the starting gig, only to see him gradually lose most, if not all, of his fantasy value since then. Has Arizona given up on trying to establish any semblance of a running game?

I managed to squeak into the championship game in the one league where he's my RB2, and I unfortunately may be forced to start him this week due to lack of any other options.

 
Traded for him in a keeper league thinking he would be a great #2RB next year - now I doubt he would even be a #3 - he ha been terrible but I am shocked at how the coaching staff do not even try to establish a running game. They deserve the 1st rd pounding they will get.

 
Traded for him in a keeper league thinking he would be a great #2RB next year - now I doubt he would even be a #3 - he ha been terrible but I am shocked at how the coaching staff do not even try to establish a running game. They deserve the 1st rd pounding they will get.
You would this last week would be a wake-up call that they have to at least try to run. They don't have to be great at it, just get a little production. It's just amazing that a Steelers guy like Whisenhunt would let his team ignore the run week after week.
 
What Hightower owners refuse to accept is that he stinks. A lot of you drank the kool aid because he scored on the Rams. Look at him run....he is awful. When JJ Arrington out-produces you, it is clear what kind of RB you are dealing with here.

 
What Hightower owners refuse to accept is that he stinks. A lot of you drank the kool aid because he scored on the Rams. Look at him run....he is awful. When JJ Arrington out-produces you, it is clear what kind of RB you are dealing with here.
No kidding! I think the correct question should be "Tim Hightower, what happened to him during the Rams game?"
 
nothing happened to him, he had his one game. the cards Oline doesn't open holes(everyone can against the rams tho) but they can somewhat pass protect. and when u have the weapons they do thru the air is a easy decision on what they should do on offense. JJ Arrington is not a better RB, he is a better receiver and therefore PPR RB. his runs are normally draws on 3rd down which most RB excel at on those opportunities when the defense is willing to give up yardage but not the 1st down.

 
nothing happened to him, he had his one game. the cards Oline doesn't open holes(everyone can against the rams tho) but they can somewhat pass protect. and when u have the weapons they do thru the air is a easy decision on what they should do on offense. JJ Arrington is not a better RB, he is a better receiver and therefore PPR RB. his runs are normally draws on 3rd down which most RB excel at on those opportunities when the defense is willing to give up yardage but not the 1st down.
There are holes, they just dont have a good enough RB to take advantage of them.
 
He is not talented enough to be a full time player. He may become a Leroy Hoard type in future years (best case) if he truly has a nose for the end zone.

 
Bad playcalling. I don't even own him right now, and I can tell you that I can predict when Hightower gets the ball on every play. If I can predict it... the opposing DC sure can.

 
I drafted Hightower late and never played him when he was getting the 5-6 carries and a tD every week.

I did not play him in his first start when he had a good game. Then I plugged him into the lineup and he stinks it up.

I have watched many Cards games this year because I have Warner, Boldin and Hightower on different teams.

Watching Hightower it is obvious he is a limited RB. There is a reason he was a 5th rd pick. The Cards may have been better off just pounding Edge.

Hightowers early TD were basically 1 yard runs. I am not sure he is any better than what he has shown since being named starter.

 
I drafted Hightower late and never played him when he was getting the 5-6 carries and a tD every week.I did not play him in his first start when he had a good game. Then I plugged him into the lineup and he stinks it up.I have watched many Cards games this year because I have Warner, Boldin and Hightower on different teams. Watching Hightower it is obvious he is a limited RB. There is a reason he was a 5th rd pick. The Cards may have been better off just pounding Edge. Hightowers early TD were basically 1 yard runs. I am not sure he is any better than what he has shown since being named starter.
Brady was a 6th round pick, using draft pick status as your argument is always dumb!
 
When we watched Hightower at the Texas Vs The Nation practices in El Paso last year, my impression was that he was a guy with some juice but no idea when or how to use. He juked invisible defenders and generally spent a lot more energy than he should have trying to set defenders up and make them miss instead of just hitting the hole and using his natural burst and power.

Now he's almost the opposite. No creativity, no vision, and most importantly, no sharpness in his cuts. He rounds off every change of direction and does not look sudden at all.

I think the raw burst and power along with natural size is there, but he seems to have no instincts or natural efficiency with the ball in his hands. I wouldn't completely write him off, after all there was a point when JJ Arrington looked like he was afraid of contact, I wouldnt say that about him now, but Hightower seems to have fallen back to the pack, and Arizona would be well served to spend a top 100 pick on an RB this year.

 
I drafted Hightower late and never played him when he was getting the 5-6 carries and a tD every week.I did not play him in his first start when he had a good game. Then I plugged him into the lineup and he stinks it up.I have watched many Cards games this year because I have Warner, Boldin and Hightower on different teams. Watching Hightower it is obvious he is a limited RB. There is a reason he was a 5th rd pick. The Cards may have been better off just pounding Edge. Hightowers early TD were basically 1 yard runs. I am not sure he is any better than what he has shown since being named starter.
Brady was a 6th round pick, using draft pick status as your argument is always dumb!
Its dumb if a player proves he is better than a 5th round pick, but Hightower has proven nothing, other than the fact that he didnt deserve to be picked any higher than that.
 
Nothing happened to Hightower. Something happened to a lot of Hightower owners though; you were fooled by one decent game against an awful NFL team.

If you aren't moving the chains, you aren't going to get the ball for long. He's just not that good. The kid runs hard and he's a good short-yardage guy but aside from one game he's never been able to chew up yards and get the first downs.

 
I drafted Hightower late and never played him when he was getting the 5-6 carries and a tD every week.I did not play him in his first start when he had a good game. Then I plugged him into the lineup and he stinks it up.I have watched many Cards games this year because I have Warner, Boldin and Hightower on different teams. Watching Hightower it is obvious he is a limited RB. There is a reason he was a 5th rd pick. The Cards may have been better off just pounding Edge. Hightowers early TD were basically 1 yard runs. I am not sure he is any better than what he has shown since being named starter.
Brady was a 6th round pick, using draft pick status as your argument is always dumb!
OK..we will just use Hightowers lack of production as our base argument.
 
I don't see why they aren't giving Edge a little more action. Hightower has clearly slowed down after he became the starter. When Edge was starting and Hightower was coming in on spot duty, he had a little burst that Edge didn't. It was a change of pace, and looked like Hightower was the better back because he was fresh. Now he is no different than Edge and IMO they wouldn't be any worse off starting the veteran, and bringing in Hightower for short yardage and using Arrington as a change of pace.

I guess that would be two carries each if they run it as much as they did last week. :tumbleweed:

I don't own any of them, but have watched all their games this year.

 
When we watched Hightower at the Texas Vs The Nation practices in El Paso last year, my impression was that he was a guy with some juice but no idea when or how to use. He juked invisible defenders and generally spent a lot more energy than he should have trying to set defenders up and make them miss instead of just hitting the hole and using his natural burst and power.Now he's almost the opposite. No creativity, no vision, and most importantly, no sharpness in his cuts. He rounds off every change of direction and does not look sudden at all.I think the raw burst and power along with natural size is there, but he seems to have no instincts or natural efficiency with the ball in his hands. I wouldn't completely write him off, after all there was a point when JJ Arrington looked like he was afraid of contact, I wouldnt say that about him now, but Hightower seems to have fallen back to the pack, and Arizona would be well served to spend a top 100 pick on an RB this year.
I agree. When I watch Hightower run I expect so much more. The guy has a runners build, is strong enough, has good speed, yet he can`t get it done. HT does not seem to have the runners instincts that good RBs have. I also agree that the Cards need to address their RB situation through the draft or by getting a FA RB. With Edge gone, JJ a thrid down back and Hightower not getting it done it is a need.
 
JJ Arrington is not a better RB, he is a better receiver and therefore PPR RB. his runs are normally draws on 3rd down which most RB excel at on those opportunities when the defense is willing to give up yardage but not the 1st down.
You sure that Hightower is outproducing JJA in 1st and 10 situations? Hint: he's not.Arrington... 13 for 195 (7.3 yards per carry)Hightower... 62 for 198 (3.2 yards per carry)I'm not sure why everyone's assuming Arrington can't win the job. He's done very well in every situation. And no RB should be accountable for the O-line the Cards had in 2005 and 2006.
 
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I don't see why they aren't giving Edge a little more action. Hightower has clearly slowed down after he became the starter. When Edge was starting and Hightower was coming in on spot duty, he had a little burst that Edge didn't. It was a change of pace, and looked like Hightower was the better back because he was fresh. Now he is no different than Edge and IMO they wouldn't be any worse off starting the veteran, and bringing in Hightower for short yardage and using Arrington as a change of pace.

I guess that would be two carries each if they run it as much as they did last week. :goodposting:

I don't own any of them, but have watched all their games this year.
this is the issue. edge mouthed off that hightower was getting the gl carries and starting to take his role. boom, coaching staff banishes edge to the bench and cards cant run for sht anymore. they go from mediocre to one of the worst run teams in the league. the coaching staffs ego really hurt this team.
 
Arizona is about the number one offensive team but number 27 running.....amazing passing team....not so good running team.

 
You sure that Hightower is outproducing JJA in 1st and 10 situations? Hint: he's not.Arrington... 13 for 195 (7.3 yards per carry)Hightower... 62 for 198 (3.2 yards per carry)I'm not sure why everyone's assuming Arrington can't win the job. He's done very well in every situation. And no RB should be accountable for the O-line the Cards had in 2005 and 2006.
Don't confuse the situation by throwing the facts out there.Arrington is a better runner than TH.Arrington will make a very productive player if used in a Kevin Faulk type of role.He needs a better compliment than TH to reach his potential.
 
Are you guys really debating who the better RB on the Cardinals is? I will share a secret with you guys, they all suck, and the Cardinals will 100%, without a doubt, no question about it have a brand new starting RB next year. .

 
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Are you guys really debating who the better RB on the Cardinals is? I will share a secret with you guys, they all suck, and the Cardinals will 100%, without a doubt, no question about it have a brand new starting RB next year. .
I find myself agreeing with BS. Somewhere pigs are flying.
 
I drafted Hightower late and never played him when he was getting the 5-6 carries and a tD every week.I did not play him in his first start when he had a good game. Then I plugged him into the lineup and he stinks it up.I have watched many Cards games this year because I have Warner, Boldin and Hightower on different teams. Watching Hightower it is obvious he is a limited RB. There is a reason he was a 5th rd pick. The Cards may have been better off just pounding Edge. Hightowers early TD were basically 1 yard runs. I am not sure he is any better than what he has shown since being named starter.
Brady was a 6th round pick, using draft pick status as your argument is always dumb!
I have named one exception to the rule of your argument, therefore taking that rule into account is foolish 100% of the time!sometimes this board makes me want to punch myself in the face
 
If you watched the Falcon-Cards game you saw why Hightower struggles. Twice Hightower had huge holes and lacked vision..he just ran up the backs of his blockers and gained 2-3 yards when a big gain was right in front of him. On the goaline Hightower does the same and just tries to push everyone into the end zone.

Hightower has a place as a goal line RB, but I do not see him being the feature guy for the Cards. Even an old Edge waits and follows the blocks and is running very well in the same offense Hightower struggles in.

 
JJ Arrington is not a better RB, he is a better receiver and therefore PPR RB. his runs are normally draws on 3rd down which most RB excel at on those opportunities when the defense is willing to give up yardage but not the 1st down.
You sure that Hightower is outproducing JJA in 1st and 10 situations? Hint: he's not.Arrington... 13 for 195 (7.3 yards per carry)

Hightower... 62 for 198 (3.2 yards per carry)

I'm not sure why everyone's assuming Arrington can't win the job. He's done very well in every situation. And no RB should be accountable for the O-line the Cards had in 2005 and 2006.
I think this might be the answer.Arrington was almost universally written off playing behind a bad line. That line can pass block, but it's still terrible at run-blocking.

Could it be that experiance is the key to running behind a bad line? That if Arington wasn't as bad as he looked two years ago, perhaps Hightower is also better then he looks right now?

I'm sorry...but that line really is bad. I've watched 5 or 6 Cards games this year, and I really think Edge and Hightower have gotten a bum deal trying to run behind that line. Arrington has had more success but has been used far more often in shotgun and passing situations, where it's easier to gain 4-5 yards because everyone on defense is looking pass.

I'd consider Hightower a hold at this point. He may need another year or two of seasoning...but we really should have expected that coming from a place like Richmond. I've seen a bunch of fairly impressive looking 2-3 yard runs from him this year. Plays that initially looked like losses that he carried defenders and fell forward. 3 yards looks like crap on a stat sheet, but not always in a real game.

Too soon to give up on this kid.

 
Owning this guy has been quite the roller coaster ride. I was thrilled when he got the starting gig, only to see him gradually lose most, if not all, of his fantasy value since then. Has Arizona given up on trying to establish any semblance of a running game? I managed to squeak into the championship game in the one league where he's my RB2, and I unfortunately may be forced to start him this week due to lack of any other options.
What happened is simple. He did well against the Rams and all of the kool aid drinkers assumed he was the next Jim Brown. Look at him run. He is not really a good RB.
 
I'd sure like to know what his real weight is.

He was listed as 225 while at Richmond then weighed in at 226 during the combine. But when the Cards got him in camp and released his weight they put him at 216. A guy with Hightower's speed could be pretty effective at 225 even if he wasn't all that talented, but at 216 he's mortal lock to be a chump when you consider the rest of his profile.

 
r0llin_game said:
He did goto Richmond and got selected in the 5th? round for a reason....
Hightower was drafted to give some depth to the RB position, possibly be the short yardage guy, and play special teams. One nice game against the Rams blurred everyone vision on what he really is.
 
r0llin_game said:
He did goto Richmond and got selected in the 5th? round for a reason....
Hightower was drafted to give some depth to the RB position, possibly be the short yardage guy, and play special teams. One nice game against the Rams blurred everyone vision on what he really is.
Not true, the Hightower hype started during the preseason.
 
r0llin_game said:
He did goto Richmond and got selected in the 5th? round for a reason....
Somehow this reasoning really falls short.A lot of talented players end up at small schools because they came from terrible HS programs. Then in college, they put up good numbers with their talent, but still endure sub-standard coaching. OFTEN, players like this go late in NFL drafts because they're raw. They've played with lesser coaches and lesser talent around them. Often, they struggle for a year or two before catching up to the curve. Fortunately for them, they usually have that year or two because the NFL team is not highly invested...the player was drafted as a backup to begin with.Westbrook is a perfect example of this dynamic.Hightower had a lot of pre-season buzz because his talent shone through in camp. He has the right combination of speed, hands, power. He has the raw skills. What he doesn't have is a ton of time playing with quality coaches against quality opponents.We got too worked up on his skills, and expectations were inflated too quickly. Now...because he's struggled and doesn't appear to have top-flight natural instincts, suddenly everyone is jumping ship completely and saying he's no good? Isn't it just as likely that he struggled partly because he wasn't ready? Then....he ran behind a horrible run-blocking line to boot?Just like expectation were too high too soon....people are jumping ship too soon. Two months ago, he was a sell-high. He's now become a buy low, even waiver wire in some cases. Give him another year.
 
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Seems like he wastes a lot of energy on his runs and would be best served with 10-15 carries in a RBBC.

 
He did goto Richmond and got selected in the 5th? round for a reason....
Somehow this reasoning really falls short.A lot of talented players end up at small schools because they came from terrible HS programs. Then in college, they put up good numbers with their talent, but still endure sub-standard coaching. OFTEN, players like this go late in NFL drafts because they're raw. They've played with lesser coaches and lesser talent around them. Often, they struggle for a year or two before catching up to the curve. Fortunately for them, they usually have that year or two because the NFL team is not highly invested...the player was drafted as a backup to begin with.Westbrook is a perfect example of this dynamic.Hightower had a lot of pre-season buzz because his talent shone through in camp. He has the right combination of speed, hands, power. He has the raw skills. What he doesn't have is a ton of time playing with quality coaches against quality opponents.We got too worked up on his skills, and expectations were inflated too quickly. Now...because he's struggled and doesn't appear to have top-flight natural instincts, suddenly everyone is jumping ship completely and saying he's no good? Isn't it just as likely that he struggled partly because he wasn't ready? Then....he ran behind a horrible run-blocking line to boot?Just like expectation were too high too soon....people are jumping ship too soon. Two months ago, he was a sell-high. He's now become a buy low, even waiver wire in some cases. Give him another year.
Why would you buy this guy? Yes, maybe if you are in a dynasty league and you don't have to pay anything for him, you can pick him up (if holding him does not incur too much opportunity cost). You say he has the "right combination of speed, hands, power," but he averaged 2.8 yards per carry on almost 150 attempts. Can you give me a single example of any successful NFL RB who had a comparable poor performance (at least as many touches) early in their NFL career and then panned out later? At this point, it seems quite probable that the Cards will bring in a rookie or free agent to lead the rushing attack next year.
 
In my Dynasty PPR League - I am holding him - I have to cut down to 18 prior to our rookie/FA draft in May and will have no problem keeping him

Hightower needs to learn to stop dancing so much behind the line and be more deliberate following his blockers - He needs NFL vision and experience - Another camp and OTAs should help

 
Why would you buy this guy? Yes, maybe if you are in a dynasty league and you don't have to pay anything for him, you can pick him up (if holding him does not incur too much opportunity cost). You say he has the "right combination of speed, hands, power," but he averaged 2.8 yards per carry on almost 150 attempts. Can you give me a single example of any successful NFL RB who had a comparable poor performance (at least as many touches) early in their NFL career and then panned out later? At this point, it seems quite probable that the Cards will bring in a rookie or free agent to lead the rushing attack next year.
I didn't say I'd pay a ton for him. I actualy drafted him late in the rookie draft last spring, and traded him away in week 10 (traded HIGH) in a complex deal aquiring Slaton for my playoff run.At this point in time, I'd still be willing to "buy" for the right price. That right price is less then when I sold him though! :shrug:

Seriously, he's going dirt cheap in a lot of leagues right now. If you have the room on your bench...he's a nice stash.

And yes...his average really sucks. But I've watched a ton of those carries and can honestly say his opportunities generally sucked just as badly. I have a hard time blaming a RB who has to make his first move a split second after taking the handoff 3 yards behind the LOS. Hightower's strength is NOT shiftiness. He'll never be a HOF back, and likely will never be an all-pro back. BUT...he can and will be adequate (maybe even above average) with a little more experiance and a better run-blocking line. At the current price...

 
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In my Dynasty PPR League - I am holding him - I have to cut down to 18 prior to our rookie/FA draft in May and will have no problem keeping him

Hightower needs to learn to stop dancing so much behind the line and be more deliberate following his blockers - He needs NFL vision and experience - Another camp and OTAs should help
I'm not sure that can be taught, as I've been waiting 3 years for Reggie Bush to learn and he's the same guy he always was. I actually watched Hightower in college and thought he danced too much to be successful in the pros... so far that seems to be the case.

 

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