timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (6 Viewers)

[tish155]

21.12 Alice in Wonderland-Dream Sequence

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"

 

[timschochet]

21.12 Alice in Wonderland-Dream Sequence

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"

Which version are you selecting?

 

[BobbyLayne]

21.12 Alice in Wonderland-Dream Sequence

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"

Which version are you selecting?

choose wisely

 

[BobbyLayne]

Norwood owes 20 and now round 21.

#skip

On to you, Nick (see ya down there).

 

[Nick Vermeil]

21.14. The pianist. - nazis

 

[jwb]

Need some opinions from the house -- my Shocking Scene pick is from a nine-year old movie, but the scene is a pretty significant twist in the plot. I'm not sure if the scene is universally known, or if posting it will spoil the movie for some people. I'll post the specifics of the scene in a spoiler box, and let the house indicate whether or not the description can be "unspoilered".

21.05: Million Dollar Baby (Shocking Scene)

Maggie Fitzgerald (Hillary Swank) is fighting for the WBA women's boxing welterweight title against Billie "The Blue Bear". At the end of a round in which Maggie has come to dominate the fight, Billie sucker-punches Maggie from behind. Maggie's trainer, Frankie Dunn (Clint Eastwood) had already placed Maggie's stool in the corner for between-rounds tending.

I asked earlier and was met with dead silence--have you posted criteria? I don't seem them in tim's page one posts.

found it:

Shocking Scene - anything you consider "shocking" is fine. Something we didn't see coming, something over-the-top revolting, something that made us jump out of our seats - all fair game. However, keep in mind that generally, a jaw-dropping "special effect" is not really what I am looking for. Also, trust that I know / respect film history - what was shocking way back when might not seem so shocking today, but I will try to keep it in context.

 

[tish155]

21.12 Alice in Wonderland-Dream Sequence

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"

Which version are you selecting?

choose wisely

the 1951 version where Alice is found sleeping at the stump of a tree....my personal favorite disney movie!

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Classroom Scene

Not sure how the judge will view this, but I enjoy this movie and Kinisons kinetic delivery.

19.21 – Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield – Back to School - Classroom scene

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I will judge parent. Sorry but I want the parent to be a "good" parent. The reason is because that's what was implied at the start of the draft, and if we allow bad parents now it's unfair to those who have already drafted.

Guess I will be moving Sarah Connor out of here then.

If you want Ward Cleaver types then Sarah is not your man

I disagree. I regard Sarah as a strong parent. It's up to you, though.

Okay then.

Please examine closely the Sarah Connor/God

Jesus Christ/John Connor parallels throughout that Cameron used

 

[AcerFC]

Classroom Scene

Not sure how the judge will view this, but I enjoy this movie and Kinisons kinetic delivery.

19.21 – Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield – Back to School - Classroom scene

damn. I'm down to one left on my list. :sayitsayitsayit:

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

21.15 "Who is your daddy, and what does he do?", Kindergarten Cop -- Classroom Scene

The whole movie is money, really.

What's the matter?

I have a headache.

It might be a tumor...

It's not a tumor!

My dad doesn't live with us anymore. He lives in New York and he drives a taxi. And my mom hopes he's gonna die real soon.

 

[KarmaPolice]

20.16:


(scary kid's scene)

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

20.16:

This whole movie is ####### terrifying. The junkyard?! When the vacuum almost kills himself?! Nightmarish.

 

[KarmaPolice]

20.16:

Been awhile since I've seen the movie, but remember it being 'wrong'. Always been scared of clowns, so this scene always stuck in my head.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Norwood owes 20 and now round 21.

#skip

On to you, Nick (see ya down there).

Here's #20

Movie Parent - Anthony Hopkins as Col. William Ludlow (Legends of the Fall)

 

[AcerFC]

21.15 "Who is your daddy, and what does he do?", Kindergarten Cop -- Classroom Scene

didnt even think of this

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ah, screw it - this popped into my head at the beginning of the draft and I can't think anything else to draft for this category:

21.10:


(multiple roles by same actor)

 

[AcerFC]

11. timschochet- mr Hollands opos

12. Tish155- Alice in wonderland

13. BobbyLayne- skip

14. Nick Vermeil- the pianist

15. Tiannamen Tank- kindergarten cop

16. Joffer- to til 11:00est Tuesday

17. krista4

18. Mrs. Rannous

19. jwb

20. Dr. Octopus

21. John Madden's Lunchbox autoskip

22. Kumerica autoskip 4/15

23. Tremendous Upside- autoskip

24. AcerFC

25. Usual21

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Ah, screw it - this popped into my head at the beginning of the draft and I can't think anything else to draft for this category:

21.10:

Good one

 

[AcerFC]

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[joffer]

21.16 - Nightmare on Elm Street - Dream Sequence

Haven't figured out which scene yet, maybe the one with the hot blond nurse. Which one was that?

 

[KarmaPolice]

21.16 - Nightmare on Elm Street - Dream SequenceHaven't figured out which scene yet, maybe the one with the hot blond nurse. Which one was that?

That was from #3 with the kid who didnt talk. I have another from the series written down that still disturbs me.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I have a question for a judge that is yet to exist. Movie Parent falls under the portrayal categories. So we are judging the performance not necessarily the role, correct? That would seem to be the case for the rest of the portrayal categories.

Agreed (I think) - ####ty parents/characters shouldn't be downgraded if the actor/actress delivered an outstanding performance. It's not like we're all looking for Ward & June Cleaver, right?

not what I thought at all. Changes.Everything

Me either. Kind of thought the whole discussion of whether Linda Hamilton was a good mother, not whether she gave a good performance, evidenced this.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I brought up the defense of picks. JML was defending the character. I kind of missed it the first time but was re-reading the thread.

However, the header is "Portrayal" and all other categories under that header focus on the actor's performaces (hence portrayal).

Obviously some thought is was about the fictional parent role not the portrayal, since I'm not sure a cartoon fish would have been drafted otherwise. Some work both ways, some don't.

However, the header is "Portrayal" and all other categories under that header focus on the actor's performaces (hence portrayal).

I didn't think that at all. What good is an acting job portraying an historical person if the role is just not at all factual? I took it as a combination.

And the stupid site still won't let me cut and paste or bold a quote. Feh.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I'm going to take Baadasssss! for shooting a movie scene. I'm having trouble picking one out so it is this one until further notice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj7KzpyQSyc

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Ah, screw it - this popped into my head at the beginning of the draft and I can't think anything else to draft for this category:

21.10:

 

[joffer]

21.16 - Nightmare on Elm Street - Dream Sequence

Haven't figured out which scene yet, maybe the one with the hot blond nurse. Which one was that?

That was from #3 with the kid who didnt talk.I have another from the series written down that still disturbs me.

I think I'm going old school from the first one. That one freaked me out the most.

 

[KarmaPolice]

21.16 - Nightmare on Elm Street - Dream Sequence

Haven't figured out which scene yet, maybe the one with the hot blond nurse. Which one was that?

That was from #3 with the kid who didnt talk.I have another from the series written down that still disturbs me.

For my it is the school daydream- if I remember right it was with tina in a bodybag being dragged down the hallway.

 

[Doug B]

Doug, what was your round 20 pick?

He Got Game for Sports Scene.

 

[krista4]

21.17 A Trip to the Moon (Le Voyage dans le Lune) - space movie

Ranked by many as one of the best movies of all time, the first known science fiction movie was based loosely on Jules Verne and H.G. Wells novels. If you don't know the movie, you at least know this image.

 

[timschochet]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

 

[timschochet]

Doug, what was your round 20 pick?

He Got Game for Sports Scene.

OK, thanks.

 

[Frostillicus]

20.14 Cloak and Dagger- Spy Movie

I am really not a huge spy movie person, and this was the first movie I had thought of when this category had come up.

I loved this movie.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

It had a theatrical release and is a legitimate draft choice. I am drafting the car chase from the theatrical version

By the way, what about all the other non theatrical releases drafted so far? Why have you been silent on them?

 

[timschochet]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

It had a theatrical release and is a legitimate draft choice.

What about all the other non theatrical releases drafted so far? Why have you been silent on them?

Such as? If there are any TV movies out there, they're ineligible. As is Duel.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

It had a theatrical release and is a legitimate draft choice.

What about all the other non theatrical releases drafted so far? Why have you been silent on them?

Such as? If there are any TV movies out there, they're ineligible. As is Duel.

You honestly think I'm going to screw over any other drafters?

Most of the world first saw this as a theatrical release on the expanded 90 minute cut.

Why are you picking on the international audiences?

 

[timschochet]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

It had a theatrical release and is a legitimate draft choice.

What about all the other non theatrical releases drafted so far? Why have you been silent on them?

Such as? If there are any TV movies out there, they're ineligible. As is Duel.

You honestly think I'm going to screw over any other drafters?

Most of the world first saw this as a theatrical release on the expanded 90 minute cut.

Why are you picking on the international audiences?

I'm not picking on anyone. It's a TV movie. We had a TV draft about a year ago, and there was a category for TV movies, and this was drafted. It's not eligible for this draft.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Car Chase

This movie is one giant Car chase and a fantastic one at that. Steven Spielberg's 1st full feature and a more gripping movie I have yet to see.

The car chase I am choosing is from 1:06.48 onwards to the end of the movie.

The tension built up to this point is amazing with one gripping scene after another.

20.05 - Duel (1.06.48 to the end) - Car Chase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHjfGaN3kw&list=UUo9I1Yjcug1wA8SNRhYzLvw&index=17

This was a TV movie- I know it made it to the big screen later, but it was produced for television. So I can't allow it, sorry.

It had a theatrical release and is a legitimate draft choice.

What about all the other non theatrical releases drafted so far? Why have you been silent on them?

Such as? If there are any TV movies out there, they're ineligible. As is Duel.

You honestly think I'm going to screw over any other drafters?

Most of the world first saw this as a theatrical release on the expanded 90 minute cut.

Why are you picking on the international audiences?

I'm not picking on anyone. It's a TV movie. We had a TV draft about a year ago, and there was a category for TV movies, and this was drafted. It's not eligible for this draft.

It was a TV Movie. It was editted and new scenes filmed for a cinematic release.

It's a theatrical release everywhere else in the world

Besides it is a Movie draft, not a Movies only released (mostly) in the cinema draft.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Can we just cut to the chase and jump forward 2 pages to the point where jml puts duel in the multiple performance category?

 

[Doug B]

Doug, what was your round 20 pick?

He Got Game for Sports Scene.

OK, thanks.

Sorry, I screwed up my numbering. He Got Game was my 19th. I got off track somewhere and skipped Round 20,

 

[timschochet]

Makeup pick:

19.05: Jake & Jesus Shuttleworth play one-on-one in He Got Game (Sports Scene)

"You gonna take that Lo-Jac off?"

"Don't come off, son"

...

OK, I knew there was a mess up somewhere. Doug, this was not your 20th round pick, it was your 19th round pick. So you still owe a 20th round pick.

 

[timschochet]

First page updated

 

[Doug B]

20th round make-up:

20.21: The Manchurian Candidate (Film about Spies)

The 1962 original, with Frank Sinatra, Angela Lansbury, and Laurence Harvey.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

21.18 - 5 Fingers - Spy movie

5 Fingers, known also as Five Fingers, is a 1952 American 20th Century Fox spy film directed by Joseph L. Mankiewicz and produced by Otto Lang. The screenplay by Michael Wilson and Mankiewicz was based on Operation Cicero (Original German: Der Fall Cicero) (1950) by L.C. Moyzisch. In the film, James Mason plays Ulysses Diello (Cicero), the character based on Bazna. The rest of the cast includes Danielle Darrieux, Michael Rennie, Herbert Berghof and Walter Hampden.

The film tells the true story of Albanian-born Elyesa Bazna, one of the most famous spies of World War II. He worked for the Nazis in 1943–44 while he was employed as valet to the British ambassador to Turkey, Sir Hughe Montgomery Knatchbull-Hugessen. He used the code name Cicero. He would photograph top-secret documents and turn the films over to Franz von Papen, the former German chancellor, at that time German ambassador in Ankara, via the intermediary Moyzisch, a commercial attaché at the embassy.

This one of my all-time favorite movies. James Mason is perfectly cast here. And it really happened. Awesome.

 

[BobbyLayne]

re-posting

Best portrayal of a real/historical person (BobbyLayne)

This should be a very easy category to fill for most drafters because it is so deep. Given my history as a judge in other TimDrafts, roles that were widely acclaimed popular films and received awards/nominations will probably do better.

Dramatic license is a given in historical films; movies that were criticized for inaccuracies, compressed timelines, composite characters, et al, won't mean a downgrade. Did the actor capture the spirit of the historical/real person.

Though I am something of a American history junkie, there are a ton of great films about less famous everyday people, so I'll try not to slant the judging to favor famous folks.

Big fan of method acting if that helps you narrow it down. Men and women who are consumed by being every inch of their character will probably do well here.

re: historical accuracy

Movies, first and foremost, entertain. Maybe some movies inform, but only in a limited way. Oh, sometimes we'll discover a really interesting biography as a result of seeing a film. But otherwise, it's not like watching a portrayal yields even 1/100th the information you will gain reading about a real or historical person. Therefore, accuracy has little to no bearing on how I will rank Best portrayal of a real/historical person. We connect with films because the actor so effectively emotes the charater they are playing. That has nothing to do with how true to real life the script writer was in telling the tale.

Just wanted to make that point clear to anyone who might have somehow mssed it.

 

[jwb]

21.19 - Slap Shot -


- Sports SceneI love this movie - it's a great hockey movie, and a nice "slice of 70's life" as well. And the Hanson's were cool.

 

[AcerFC]

11. timschochet- mr Hollands opos
12. Tish155- Alice in wonderland
13. BobbyLayne- skip
14. Nick Vermeil- the pianist
15. Tiannamen Tank- kindergarten cop
16. Joffer- Nighmare on Elm Street
17. krista4- Trip to the Moon
18. Mrs. Rannous- Five Fingers
19. jwb- Slapshot

20. Dr. Octopus- OTC til 11:00est
21. John Madden's Lunchbox autoskip
22. Kumerica said auto for yeserday so I will PM him
23. Tremendous Upside- autoskip
24. AcerFC- In The Hole

25. Usual21

 

[AcerFC]

And lol. That is 2 movies that played in theatres that have now been ruled ineligible after the rule was anything in the theatres are fair game

 

[BobbyLayne]

11. timschochet- mr Hollands opos

12. Tish155- Alice in wonderland

13. BobbyLayne- skip

14. Nick Vermeil- the pianist

15. Tiannamen Tank- kindergarten cop

16. Joffer- Nighmare on Elm Street

17. krista4- Trip to the Moon

18. Mrs. Rannous- Five Fingers

19. jwb- Slapshot

20. Dr. Octopus- OTC til 11:00est

21. John Madden's Lunchbox autoskip

22. Kumerica said auto for yeserday so I will PM him

23. Tremendous Upside- autoskip

24. AcerFC- In The Hole

25. Usual21

We're on Round 22 now? TIA

#skip

 

[BobbyLayne]

And lol. That is 2 movies that played in theatres that have now been ruled ineligible after the rule was anything in the theatres are fair game

What was the other one? Disagree with the Duel ruling. Strongly. Gettysburg is a U.S. movie that comes to mind. First on Turner, then released in theaters, enjoyed strong VHS/DVD sales, etc. Or to cite another obvious example, there were a handful of Ingmar Bergman movies that were first shown on Swedish television as mini-series. Later they were edited for theatrical release, and received wide acclaim and nominations from the Academy, Golden Globes, BAFTA, etc. If we allow the Duel ruling to be the precedent, by extension some of the best art house films ever recorded on celluloid are ineligible. Exceptionally bad ruling, even by timschochet standards.ETA: this ruling really needs to be reversed.