Time to be worried..Dom Davis (1 Viewer)

[Shark Attack]

Knee Worse Than Expected..time to knock him even further down the list IMP.

NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO TAKE THIS BUT JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE..TO ME ITS MORE BAD NEWS FOR DD AND HIS OWNERS NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT

...I have been laying off him in the drafts i have been in and thank goodness for that..I feel bad for any guys in WCOFF satellites or any other pay cash league who may have taken a first rounder on him..it is still early but the news and knee seem to be getting worse and worse..like another guy said around here I bet the Texans are wishing for a Draft so over right about now..how good would Bush look in Kubisaks new scheme NOW?

Texans Team Report

7/7/2006

By Megan Manfull

Houston Chronicle

SITE: Texans Practice Facility, Houston

REPORTING DATE: July 7

TOP PRIORITY: QB David Carr must build on the improvement he made in the offseason under new coach Gary Kubiak. Carr has made strides with his arm strength, accuracy and footwork. His ability to run an efficient offense will be important for a unit that struggled in 2005 and made few offseason changes.

CAMP CONFIDENTIAL: The strongest competition will be on the defensive line, where four former starters--DTs Robaire Smith and Seth Payne and Des Jason Babin and Antwan Peek--are battling for two jobs. LE Mario Williams, the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, and free-agent LT Anthony Weaver are new starters who have given the line depth and an injection of talent. . . .

RB Domanick Davis' knee problems are forcing the Texans to look for a running back--or develop one quickly in training camp. Only veteran Antowain Smith has been healthy, and he's not the answer. . . .

Seth Wand is one option to fill the perennial void at left tackle. Wand (6-7, 330) has good size and athleticism, but his confidence is low after his poor 2005 season. Rookie Charles Spencer and veteran Ephraim Salaam will push for playing time throughout camp.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/texans/index.html

 

[BeTheMatch]

Where's anything new in this???

 

[Shark Attack]

Where's anything new in this???

dated 7/7RB Domanick Davis' knee problems are forcing the Texans to look for a running back--or develop one quickly in training camp. Only veteran Antowain Smith has been healthy, and he's not the answer. . . .

I guess thqt does not concern you? Me it does, there just has not been one good word about him or his knee all year and the next thing will be a another scope to clean up some more damge...

 

[Joe T]

Where's anything new in this???

dated 7/7RB Domanick Davis' knee problems are forcing the Texans to look for a running back--or develop one quickly in training camp. Only veteran Antowain Smith has been healthy, and he's not the answer. . . .

I guess thqt does not concern you? Me it does, there just has not been one good word about him or his knee all year and the next thing will be a another scope to clean up some more damge...

that one line does not worry me, no.

 

[datonn]

Where's anything new in this???

dated 7/7

Yeah, but TSN is mentioning that as a quick blurb when that same story has been out there for a couple of weeks already. It's the same reason I didn't add any Dom Davis summary to the Blogger last night, because they're saying the same thing that the Houston and national media have already been reporting for the past month.

 

[C Boswell]

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire. I was sooo glad to get him off my team in the off-season.

 

[joffer]

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire.

 

[Slider]

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire. I was sooo glad to get him off my team in the off-season.

I don't think one would be able to piss if they saw someone burning.

 

[broncofan13000]

Yeah, they were saying that they may trade for M.Bennett on the huddle :X

 

[David Yudkin]

This is old news.

 

[Kleck.]

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire. I was sooo glad to get him off my team in the off-season.

I wouldn't either. Stop, drop and roll works much better.

 

[stbugs]

This is old news.

This report is from the same Megan Manfull (heck of a name for a female reporter) has reported for weeks. This to me looks like a "what's coming up and what to look for in training camp."

The article is dated 7/7 and it also says that reporting day is 7/7 so this isn't even an article about the actual training camp.

Not saying I am not worried, of course I am worried. I get to keep DD as an 8th round keeper and if he plays 2006 at least as good as 2005 and hopefully more like 2004 then he will be a key cog in my team. The Texans in 2005 and the history of the Denver running game shows that backups can obtain good results. The only thing the really worries me is if DD is out for the entire season and Morency/Smith/? has to start all season. I can deal with DD for 10+ weeks and a backup for the other 0-6 games because that will still probably net a top 10 or top 12 RB.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Here is the way I see it as a Domanick Davis owner (dynasty format):

1. The Texans will take Reggie Bush!

2. The Texans don't take Reggie Bush!

3. Reports of DD's knees acting up!

The point is, I thought his value was shot when they had the #1 pick. They didn't take Bush and right after they don't the reports of the knees come out. Either way I can't get as much for him as he could possibly give me in performance. To be honest, I would rather have reports of him missing a practice or two than the Texans drafting Reggie Bush. I am going to hold on to him unless I get the deal of a lifetime for him.

Note: I own him in a PPR league so he has great value in that league.

 

[Shark Attack]

This is old news.

I have to wonder David. It's getting late now and nothing good has come out at all for him. I mean if things are going this bad now what happens when he takes a few licks on it in camp, preseason or early in the season? Would it shock you if the next thing we here is that he needs some cartilage work and a scope and will be out 2-4 weeks? Seems that is the way its going before we here he had a good day running and cutting without it blowing up or getting sore the next day. this girl reporter is the the papers Texan reporter on a daily basis and must get some decent information form the coach's or others in the organization ( by the way is she cute, if so then she is definitely getting good info..lol but?) i would think..she is a beat writer and they do usually get good information one way or another. it sure does look like she is worried that's for sure. I am not sure how much that means but unless she is just a really bad beat writer it has to mean something. Isnt that paper pretty big/reputable?

 

[coolnerd]

This is old news.

I am not sure how much that means but unless she is just a really bad beat writer it has to mean something. Isnt that paper pretty big/reputable?

The Houston paper has zero competition and thier coverage of the Texans is mediocore at best. there is a pretty good chance that Megan is repeating the same information she heard a month or so ago. she is not a terribly experienced writer with limited football knowledge (not just because she is a she either) and some how has arguably the most important beat in a football crazy town. Marriage has its benefits.

 

[stbugs]

This is old news.

I have to wonder David. It's getting late now and nothing good has come out at all for him. I mean if things are going this bad now what happens when he takes a few licks on it in camp, preseason or early in the season? Would it shock you if the next thing we here is that he needs some cartilage work and a scope and will be out 2-4 weeks? Seems that is the way its going before we here he had a good day running and cutting without it blowing up or getting sore the next day. this girl reporter is the the papers Texan reporter on a daily basis and must get some decent information form the coach's or others in the organization ( by the way is she cute, if so then she is definitely getting good info..lol but?) i would think..she is a beat writer and they do usually get good information one way or another. it sure does look like she is worried that's for sure. I am not sure how much that means but unless she is just a really bad beat writer it has to mean something. Isnt that paper pretty big/reputable?

Not to speak for David, but this article to me looks like a pre-camp article that I think you are reading way too much into. Here is the heading:

Texans Team Report

7/7/2006

By Megan Manfull

Houston Chronicle

SITE: Texans Practice Facility, Houston

REPORTING DATE: July 7

It talks about training camp battles and other things that will unfold during training camp. It is a preview article, so of course she will mention DD's knee since he has been their best offensive weapon the past two years, but it is old news because no training camp practices have happened yet (not as of my post, but as of the writing of this article).And to answer your question, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if DD plays 16 games or misses half a season, because other than Megan Manfull, there has been very little info on this.

 

[RenegadeGM]

( by the way is she cute, if so then she is definitely getting good info..lol but?)

um, I'm gonna say no :X

 

[derek19]

Nothing about Morency being able to step in and take over?

 

[MLBrandow]

man you guys just love to rip on DD. Relax... he'll be fine.

 

[joffer]

man you guys just love to rip on DD. Relax... he'll be fine.

thanks Doc

 

[gman8343]

man you guys just love to rip on DD. Relax... he'll be fine.

link?

 

[SSOG]

Until TCs/Preseason rolls around, and Davis's teammates are running while he's still on the sidelines, I'm not going to worry. I remember at this time two years ago, all I was hearing about Tony Gonzalez was about his foot injury.

 

[rascal]

I hope this gets spread around a lot so I can pick him up in the second round and be thrilled to death to do so.

 

[EBF]

I've always thought his talent was overrated. Add on some injury concerns and this guy becomes a clear "sell" option.

 

[BigRed]

I've always thought his talent was overrated.

Injuries are the only reason to be concerned about him. Not that they aren't huge.

 

[Sinrman]

( by the way is she cute, if so then she is definitely getting good info..lol but?)

um, I'm gonna say no :X

Sure puts the "MAN" in Manfull, huh?

 

[Traders2001]

I hope this gets spread around a lot so I can pick him up in the second round and be thrilled to death to do so.

Great then instead of wasting a first round pick on him you will WASTE a second round pick , i agree with you it s less painful to WASTE that second round pick.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Where's anything new in this???

dated 7/7RB Domanick Davis' knee problems are forcing the Texans to look for a running back--or develop one quickly in training camp. Only veteran Antowain Smith has been healthy, and he's not the answer. . . .

I guess thqt does not concern you? Me it does, there just has not been one good word about him or his knee all year and the next thing will be a another scope to clean up some more damge...

Didn't say it didn't concern me. I was just pointing out that you're posting info that is several weeks old with nothing new at all.

 

[JMJ]

DD will be fine. The real people in the know, Houston's upper managment and such would not have passed on Bush if they had ANY reservations of DD not being ready or being limited come time for the season to start.

HTH.

 

[fruity pebbles]

DD will be fine. The real people in the know, Houston's upper managment and such would not have passed on Bush if they had ANY reservations of DD not being ready or being limited come time for the season to start.

HTH.

You act like the Texans upper management is actually intelligent.

 

[H.K.]

DD will be fine. The real people in the know, Houston's upper managment and such would not have passed on Bush if they had ANY reservations of DD not being ready or being limited come time for the season to start.

HTH.

Actually, I viewed the decision to pass on Bush as financial. RB's don't last that long in the NFL, and Bush doesn't appear to be an every down back based on his diminutive stature, so not paying him huge money was probably a factor. Williams could be a starter for 10+ years, not too many RB play at a high level for that long. If a guy like SAlex doesn't get much attention in FA, it says a lot about how NFL GM's feel about budgeting their $$$.As for the original post, Davis owners should always be worried. If its not the knee this season, it will be something else eventually.

 

[Jim Otto]

By Megan Manfull

Houston Chronicle

 

[MLBrandow]

You act like the Texans upper management is actually intelligent.

Great then instead of wasting a first round pick on him you will WASTE a second round pick , i agree with you it s less painful to WASTE that second round pick.

I've always thought his talent was overrated. Add on some injury concerns and this guy becomes a clear "sell" option.

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire. I was sooo glad to get him off my team in the off-season.

Davis owners should always be worried. If its not the knee this season, it will be something else eventually.

= you guysPlaying behind one of the worst OLs over a three-year span in the modern NFL era, Davis has averaged 24.3 touches for 115.7 yards and .78TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 16.24ppg over 36 starts. His teams have gone a combined 14-34 over three seasons.

LaDanian Tomlinson has averaged 25.9 touches for 123.4 yards and 1.0 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 18.34ppg 79 starts. His teams have gone a combined 38-42 over five seasons.

Clinton Portis has averaged 24.3 touches for 121.8 yards and .86 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 17.32ppg over 56 starts. His teams have gone a combined 35-29 over four seasons.

Edgerrin James has averaged 26.5 touches for 125.7 yards and .78 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 17.26ppg over 96 starts. His teams have gone a combined 77-35 over seven seasons.

You do realize that Davis is only very marginally behind these unanimous fantasy football studs. And he's done it on not just a sub-.500 team, but a terrible team. Now he's playing for a coach who runs the best blocking scheme in the league, and with a legitimate WR1/2, QB, and defense that is perfectly suited for the 43 and will keep the Texans in late games this season.

Not one of you guys would consider his seven games missed over three seasons to be a result of stacked boxes and overall ineptness of his OL?

Are you really scared by a knee injury that shouldn't even be healed for another month and a beat writer that watches more As the World Turns than pro football?

The Texans' management is "actually intelligent" and there's a reason they passed on Bush. Anyone laughing now and at the draft when someone "wastes a 2nd round pick" on this "overrated talent" is going to be smacking themselves in the head every week during the season.

 

[Bri]

It talks about training camp battles and other things that will unfold during training camp. It is a preview article, so of course she will mention DD's knee since he has been their best offensive weapon the past two years, but it is old news because no training camp practices have happened yet (not as of my post, but as of the writing of this article).

And to answer your question, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if DD plays 16 games or misses half a season, because other than Megan Manfull, there has been very little info on this.

I agree with this in that it's sorta a recap/preview for the upcoming TC. I think some folks here missed that.The "nothing new" bit here is almost a concern of mine. Well it would be if I knew of Megan being an exceptional reporter but I don't "know her" as such. I mean if the knee was still a prob and she's re-reporting it well then yeah that's a concern. Rehab or even rest should have done something to improve it right? Feeling just the same wouldn't be good news nor "no news" IMO.

 

[Bri]

Are you really scared by a knee injury that shouldn't even be healed for another month and a beat writer that watches more As the World Turns than pro football?

I don't know her but she deserves the benefit of the doubt here. For example. Mary Ann Cabot can watch all the "As the World Turns" she wants and I'd still tell ya she's one of the best(TV, radio, web, paper) at coverring the Browns.

 

[joffer]

Are you really scared by a knee injury that shouldn't even be healed for another month .....

if i thought it was that type of injury, it wouldn't worry me a bit. but i'm starting to think it might be a chronic knee problem.

 

[Marc Levin]

I've always thought his talent was overrated.

Injuries are the only reason to be concerned about him. Not that they aren't huge.

It is well known (or used to be) that I am a big supporter of Dom Davis as a great fantasy weapon.

He has enough talent to turn the opps he gets into magic every week - and in PPR leagues, he is incredibly valuable. He is a very tough kid, but he is ALWAYS getting nicked up.

Knee problems are a concern - it has been his knee probs that have kept him on the sidelines the last couple of years.

But, like others mentioned, unless I hear that he is on the sidelines while the team is running the field in TC or PS, I am not worried.

 

[Marc Levin]

Are you really scared by a knee injury that shouldn't even be healed for another month .....

if i thought it was that type of injury, it wouldn't worry me a bit. but i'm starting to think it might be a chronic knee problem.

That should be the main concern, IMO.

 

[EBF]

You act like the Texans upper management is actually intelligent.

Great then instead of wasting a first round pick on him you will WASTE a second round pick , i agree with you it s less painful to WASTE that second round pick.

I've always thought his talent was overrated. Add on some injury concerns and this guy becomes a clear "sell" option.

I would not piss on Dom davis if he was on fire.  I was sooo glad to get him off my team in the off-season.

Davis owners should always be worried. If its not the knee this season, it will be something else eventually.

= you guysPlaying behind one of the worst OLs over a three-year span in the modern NFL era, Davis has averaged 24.3 touches for 115.7 yards and .78TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 16.24ppg over 36 starts. His teams have gone a combined 14-34 over three seasons.

LaDanian Tomlinson has averaged 25.9 touches for 123.4 yards and 1.0 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 18.34ppg 79 starts. His teams have gone a combined 38-42 over five seasons.

Clinton Portis has averaged 24.3 touches for 121.8 yards and .86 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 17.32ppg over 56 starts. His teams have gone a combined 35-29 over four seasons.

Edgerrin James has averaged 26.5 touches for 125.7 yards and .78 TD per game. In standard scoring, that's 17.26ppg over 96 starts. His teams have gone a combined 77-35 over seven seasons.

You do realize that Davis is only very marginally behind these unanimous fantasy football studs. And he's done it on not just a sub-.500 team, but a terrible team. Now he's playing for a coach who runs the best blocking scheme in the league, and with a legitimate WR1/2, QB, and defense that is perfectly suited for the 43 and will keep the Texans in late games this season.

Not one of you guys would consider his seven games missed over three seasons to be a result of stacked boxes and overall ineptness of his OL?

Are you really scared by a knee injury that shouldn't even be healed for another month and a beat writer that watches more As the World Turns than pro football?

The Texans' management is "actually intelligent" and there's a reason they passed on Bush. Anyone laughing now and at the draft when someone "wastes a 2nd round pick" on this "overrated talent" is going to be smacking themselves in the head every week during the season.

I doubt it. The guy is a below average NFL starter. He puts up a lot of yards and TDs because he gets a lot of touches, but he's not a great player by any means.

 

[Marc Levin]

EBF - add in that he has a very GOOD run blocking OL, and a POOR pass protection OL

Most of DD's success has been b/c of his pass catching and because of a very GOOD run blocking OL.

Edit - and a better than average ability inside the red zone.

 

[EBF]

EBF - add in that he has a very GOOD run blocking OL, and a POOR pass protection OL

Most of DD's success has been b/c of his pass catching and because of a very GOOD run blocking OL.

Edit - and a better than average ability inside the red zone.

Yea. Davis isn't exactly a scrub, but I'd never touch him at his dynasty or redraft ADP. There are always superior players on the board.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think EBF and I have run over DD's pros and cons WAY more often and in WAY more depth than needs to be repeated here.

 

[MLBrandow]

EBF - add in that he has a very GOOD run blocking OL, and a POOR pass protection OL

Most of DD's success has been b/c of his pass catching and because of a very GOOD run blocking OL.

Edit - and a better than average ability inside the red zone.

cool.... bet you a sig he finishes with RB1 numbers (RB12+)Way for neither of you to actually read what I said.

If you're going to blast DD for getting yards because he "gets a lot of touches", you'd have to use the same argument against the LT, Portis and Edge, which show very similar stats.

That argument is quite possibly one of the most illogical I've ever read. "well even though he puts up good numbers he sucks because I said so."

 

[EBF]

cool.... bet you a sig he finishes with RB1 numbers (RB12+)

No thanks. In a redraft, he has a good shot at those numbers if he stays healthy and keeps his job. That doesn't mean he isn't overrated, particularly in dynasty.

If you're going to blast DD for getting yards because he "gets a lot of touches", you'd have to use the same argument against the LT, Portis and Edge, which show very similar stats.

Those guys have proven a lot more at the professional level and are considered among the best runners in the league. They've made several Pro Bowls and have earned huge contracts. Davis didn't have nearly the pedigree entering the league and hasn't had nearly the same kind of success.

That argument is quite possibly one of the most illogical I've ever read.  "well even though he puts up good numbers he sucks because I said so."

That wasn't my argument. My argument about Davis is the same as it was last year. He's an average runner who has received a lot of touches because his team has lacked weapons. I think he's a mediocre starter and will always be at risk of losing his job, meaning he can't be counted on in the dynasty format.

That's not to mention the new coaching staff. There's no telling if they'll like DD or if they'll try to find a better fit for their system.

Bottom line? He's a decent player, but I'd never draft him over someone like Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, or Torry Holt in a dynasty league. Those guys are among the best at their position. I can't say the same about DD.

 

[Marc Levin]

cool.... bet you a sig he finishes with RB1 numbers (RB12+)

You obviously don't know me if you think I bet against DD.Go look at where I have him ranked:

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...ent=7&sortby=52

Wimer and I have him ranked highest of all the staff.

 

[David Yudkin]

Bottom line? He's a decent player, but that I'd never draft him over someone like Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, or Torry Holt in a dynasty league. Those guys are among the best at their position. I can't say the same about DD.

Here's where I don't agree with you. In terms of FANTASY football, Davis IS one of the best at his position. I don't feel like looking up all the numbers again, but since taking over as a starter Davis ranked in the Top 6 or 7 in PPG at RB. even in total fantasy points over the past 3 years he ranked 8th.In that same timeframe, Boldin ranked 11th the past 3 years in total fantasy points by WR and Ward ranked 8th. If you feel that those guys are better options, so be it, but IMO that does not make Davis any less of a fantasy producer.

 

[Marc Levin]

Bottom line? He's a decent player, but that I'd never draft him over someone like Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, or Torry Holt in a dynasty league. Those guys are among the best at their position. I can't say the same about DD.

Here's where I don't agree with you. In terms of FANTASY football, Davis IS one of the best at his position. I don't feel like looking up all the numbers again,

As won't I, but Dave and I are in agreement.I don't think DD is all that talented, but he has TREMENDOUS fantasy football potential.

 

[EBF]

Bottom line? He's a decent player, but that I'd never draft him over someone like Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, or Torry Holt in a dynasty league. Those guys are among the best at their position. I can't say the same about DD.

Here's where I don't agree with you. In terms of FANTASY football, Davis IS one of the best at his position. I don't feel like looking up all the numbers again, but since taking over as a starter Davis ranked in the Top 6 or 7 in PPG at RB. even in total fantasy points over the past 3 years he ranked 8th.In that same timeframe, Boldin ranked 11th the past 3 years in total fantasy points by WR and Ward ranked 8th. If you feel that those guys are better options, so be it, but IMO that does not make Davis any less of a fantasy producer.

I agree. Here's my point:- An average player will not keep a starting job in the NFL (regardless of his fantasy football production). Last year Kerry Collins was one of the better QBs in the league in terms of fantasy points per game. However, he wasn't a good enough NFL player to keep his job.

The risk with Davis is not that he won't produce if given touches, but rather that he won't be given touches.

 

[EBF]

Bottom line? He's a decent player, but that I'd never draft him over someone like Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, or Torry Holt in a dynasty league. Those guys are among the best at their position. I can't say the same about DD.

Here's where I don't agree with you. In terms of FANTASY football, Davis IS one of the best at his position. I don't feel like looking up all the numbers again,

As won't I, but Dave and I are in agreement.I don't think DD is all that talented, but he has TREMENDOUS fantasy football potential.

I agree. I don't think he's a bum. If you have a decent team and you're looking for a guy to give you one big year, then Davis might be your man. However, if you draft him in a dynasty league with the belief that you've locked up your RB1 for the next 5 years, then I think you're sorely mistaken.I view Davis as a glorified version of Anthony Thomas, perhaps with slightly more talent (he's certainly quicker).

 

[David Yudkin]

cool.... bet you a sig he finishes with RB1 numbers (RB12+)

You obviously don't know me if you think I bet against DD.Go look at where I have him ranked:

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...ent=7&sortby=52

Wimer and I have him ranked highest of all the staff.

The rankings appear to be screwed up. Only the two of you have him ranked 6th, yet his overall ranking is 6th even though his average ranking is 12.8. The RB as a whole seem to be messed up. Alexander is ranked higher than Larry Johnson although only 2-3 people have Johnson ranked lower than SA.