Judge Smails
Footballguy
Anybody who was involved in the overturn of the spot in the Browns/Raiders should be fired. Yesterday. Worst call I’ve ever seen. I’m not a fix guy but that has no other explanation.
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Time to fire officials on the spot (1 Viewer)
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
tackle for loss
Footballguy
I wont go as far as firing on the spot but I will say the punishment for referees needs to be way more public and more severe. A referee who missed what everyone saw in real time needs some very harsh repercussions so he knows he needs to be better. A few week suspension, it will take out any indiscretions in the game as well. No quick whistles anymore, let it play out a second longer. Also, public eye exam results, this matters. Your eyes matter....just like people who need their hands and take out insurance and do certain things to cater to their hands, refs need to have perfect vision and take care them or they cant do this job. Its a union and they have a contract, that can be worked in. Refs need way more punishments for bad calls, after all making correct calls is their job. Tolerating mistakes is something that needs to stop. No referees with glasses, sorry to offend, but those with glasses like me know exactly what I mean since eye fatigue is real.
beer 30
Footballguy
tackle for loss
Footballguy
League always covers for the refs. They are supposed to defend them. Their defense is not withstanding in realty to the public, its a brush off.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
So, if triangulation of ball placement can be done the question becomes why is it not always done. The league may have opened a can of worms here.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is anecdotal but it seems like the bad calls are often against the home team, which seems counterintuitive.
The horsecollar call against the Giants vs the Saints was crazy. I get where a ref makes a mistake and the others defer but here they actually gathered to discuss and there was a replay clearly showing there was no foul. Strange stuff.
The horsecollar call against the Giants vs the Saints was crazy. I get where a ref makes a mistake and the others defer but here they actually gathered to discuss and there was a replay clearly showing there was no foul. Strange stuff.
beer 30
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
And if people think it's fixed now just imagine what this will do. Mistakes are part of the game. If people would just accept that its help. The more they try and remove them the worse it gets to me. I think it was better 20 years ago.
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Donnybrook
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I didn't think the Browns got the first down and was very surprised at the initial spot. So despite what happened on the review I think the refs got it right ...
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I thought the early whistle / non-fumble by Carr was way worse.
Actually, nothing compares to the "tuck rule" and the "Fail Mary" calls IMO.
rockaction
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
This has been the quote for the last 15 years or so. Wtf have they not updated this? Tradition? #### that. The technology to get a first down mesured laser accurate is available. Go get it and use it. There should be no discretion when it comes to first downs.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Ditto, dammit. And the Tuck Rule was in a divisional playoff game, not a Week f'n 4 tilt of a 1-1-1 vs 0-3 team.
I totally get and appreciate why Browns fans are upset, given the trajectory this team seemed to finally be on this year, and the impact this might have had on the game. I'd potentially be whinging too, except for the fact that us Raiders fans have become immune to getting hosed by refs given the decades-long trend of us drawing flags often for little more than the psychological impact of the color of our jersey.
And, to be faiiiiiirrrrr, this is not a clear-cut call. To me, it does seem like Hyde's elbow and wrist are down before ball is at the line, and (as mentioned above) a lot depends on camera angles available, and even the true projection of that yellow first down marker to begin with (not to mention the variance of where that yellow line should be projected based on a link of chains).
Compare that wide subjectivity to another call in the game, while not being as impactful to the potential outcome of the game, is way more clear and non-subjective in the fact that we got flagged for roughing the passer for little more than a hug.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow, that's just stunning.
Yeah, I remember the Tuck Rule game. I left the area I was in and television I was watching and went downstairs to get a beverage and celebrate (I used to be a Raider, Giant, Jets fan) a bit, and I wound up coming back to...that.
It was unreal and surreal. I just - it was so clear to me how messed up the NFL was at that point.
So easy a caveman can do it. When are these idiots going to get with the times, install chips in the ball and use GPS to determine a 1st down. Cheap bastards. Cut Goodell's salary by whatever it costs.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Not sure how you miss an obvious egregious face mask penalty when Sanders head helmet and headband all come off his body and land in different spots all over the field
that was was absolutely ridiculous
that was was absolutely ridiculous
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The officiating in the NFL is an outrageous scandal. And I just say that because the public pours millions into the league and there is ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Just as egregious are no-calls on flagrant penalties to me are the continuous flags on roughing the passer for textbook plays -- BY THE STANDARD OF TODAY'S RULING.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen flags for pushing the QB while he has the ball or *just* gotten rid of it, causing him to stumble and fall. Saw one defender collapse the pocket and get to the QB as he unloads, all wihtin a half step, hit the QB with shoulder, and made the effort not only to adjust his weight so he wasn't falling on the QB, even holding out his arms not to grasp -- on the way down to the ground! -- and then bracing himself with his elbows so he was falling on his own body not the QBs.
15 yard penalty.
It truly is getting blatantly unfair and unwatchable.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen flags for pushing the QB while he has the ball or *just* gotten rid of it, causing him to stumble and fall. Saw one defender collapse the pocket and get to the QB as he unloads, all wihtin a half step, hit the QB with shoulder, and made the effort not only to adjust his weight so he wasn't falling on the QB, even holding out his arms not to grasp -- on the way down to the ground! -- and then bracing himself with his elbows so he was falling on his own body not the QBs.
15 yard penalty.
It truly is getting blatantly unfair and unwatchable.
PIK95
Footballguy
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It was overturned, but the bad spot in the KC game was probably the worst I have ever seen. No idea how you can miss a spot that bad.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Pretty simple to put a chip in both ends of all the footballs. And someone in replay can read immediately with a computer if the spot effects the game. Like if it would have been a first down, touchdown, etc. It would take under 1 second to have that displayed to them.
Baseball could go this way with strikes (and has in a minor league).
It's simply old as dirt owners hanging on to an antiquated system. Nothing else. They have the money to do anything they really want to. And these refs/umps aren't exactly cheap. They want it like it's always been.
Golf ball companies could put bluetooth chips in the ball to make a beeping sound. But that would totally ruin their revenue stream. So it will never happen in that.
Baseball could go this way with strikes (and has in a minor league).
It's simply old as dirt owners hanging on to an antiquated system. Nothing else. They have the money to do anything they really want to. And these refs/umps aren't exactly cheap. They want it like it's always been.
Golf ball companies could put bluetooth chips in the ball to make a beeping sound. But that would totally ruin their revenue stream. So it will never happen in that.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Insein said:
Correct. 1 on Cook, 1 on Diggs, and 1 on Thielen. I am betting that the Packers go undefeated at home.
A couple of years back the NFL tried to put measures in place to address the officiating.
the efforts failed because of the fans and the sports media.
period.
what happened, well the officials went on strike. The replacement refs came in, and rather than supporting the NFL and the replacement refs, all of the lemmings and media backed the referee union, so the NFL had to scrap plans to improve officiating.
and you know what, the replacements were way better, they just had the media up their ### every play trying to nitpick every call.
so let’s stop blaming the NFL for the sorry state of officiating.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Becoming? If it weren't for gambling and fantasy, the sport would be in a freefallneed2know said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And just think, the NFL and officials are close to a new deal that still won't do anything to improve officiating
Insein
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
The league couldn't define what a catch was about a year ago (and arguably still can't), in this, it's 100th year anniversary.
So let's not pretend they have a firm handle on how this game should be officiated either.
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True.
I'm a pretty die hard football fan, but starting to watch less every year. Used to pretty much watch football all day Sunday and always Monday night. Now, I watch my team weekly and will watch if the Sunday or Monday night game is a really good match up. Less than half of what I watched 3 years ago. How you can make a sport as great as football so painful to watch is beyond me, but the NFL has managed. Way too many penalties and reviews.
I completely stopped watching the NBA and MLB and I used to be a fanatic on both. Same thing could happen to football if play doesn't improve.
renesauz
IBL Representative
tired of borderline calls on action that has no effect on outcome of a play killing great plays.
Philly lost 25 yards to a very weak "block in the back" call today that took them out of field goal range late in a 3 point game. ON replay, it clearly had zero impact, the contact was very weak, and you could see the "offended" party stop and turn as if to help initiate the contact. Earlier in same game one of the worst facemask fouls I've ever seen...wide open in middle of field on a kick return, goes unflagged.
Philly lost 25 yards to a very weak "block in the back" call today that took them out of field goal range late in a 3 point game. ON replay, it clearly had zero impact, the contact was very weak, and you could see the "offended" party stop and turn as if to help initiate the contact. Earlier in same game one of the worst facemask fouls I've ever seen...wide open in middle of field on a kick return, goes unflagged.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK we don't get the full play there but with the info we do get, looking at where the receiver was on the ground when the clip starts it looks like the correct spot.
Nucker101
Footballguy
I agree, it's just the way he was seemingly deciding that was kind of alarming/funny. Could just be a simple brain fart that he quickly corrected(good on him), that happens to the best of us.
Insein
Footballguy
It should just emphasize more of a reason to use technology to mark the damn balls.
And for the love of God, why is there not a ref in the booth watching a live feed of the game?
