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flapgreen
Footballguy
The players are the same now as they've always been.
Max Power
Footballguy
Yes, but I don't think the quality of person is any different than it was 20 years ago. With the internet, we just happen to hear about everything these days. The more we move into the digital age, the more is going to come out with these players.
I'm souring more from the actual gameplay / penalties than anything else.
Thanks for making an already uncomfortable thread way more uncomfortable.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Just came in to say exactly the first sentence of your post. Everyone making it seem like humans have become more slimy creatures in the past 20, 30 years with their tunnel vision rather than looking at the big picture where there is more technology and the media has a bigger agenda than ever before to create stories, get viewers, and get money.
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RBM
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
No, I'm not. Do you really believe those people didn't exist before social media? It's just readily available now so everyone feels it's their right to jump in and start judging everyone. I like football. I dont pick and choose the music I listen to or the restaurants I go to based on what I know about someone's personal life. Who has time to find out all of their dirty secrets and base what I like on how they live their lives?
Absolutely. And to the OP's credit the NFL would love to take a mulligan on the offseason and get it right. Unfortunately this is real life and it doesn't work that way. There is no pause button.
Hopefully they are taking steps to right the ship. Dictator Goodell needs to understand he can't "protect the shield" from everything.
Every company has scumbags and losers working there. Sometimes they are the best at what they do and the company needs them in order to put out the best product. Goodell needs to do a better job of figuring out the lesser of two evils.
Heatman
Footballguy
Not all players and owners are bad. There are some really good people involved with the NFL. Players and owners included. I would say there is an overwhelming majority of them who are good. The only problem is we only get to see the bad things some players are involved in. It's just like the news. If you watch that you would think every single person is horrible.
G
General Tso
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You're absolutely right. If anything, the players back in the day were probably even more despicable - we just didn't hear about it. Not sure where that leaves us though. Social media and the Internet aren't going away anytime soon. Either the NFL has to clean up it's act or we as fans have to get accustomed to rooting for some rotten people. But the sheer numbers of rotten people these days, their superstar status, and the disgusting nature of their actions, is making it very hard to do the latter.
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Rotten people? You're rooting for a group of athletes that contain the same percentage of 'rotten people' as your neighborhood and anyone else's neighborhood. You really believe the NFL has cornered the market on corporal punishment, drug abuse and domestic violence? Root for your team and live your life according to your moral compass...very separate things IMO.
To be honest I feel much worse that the realization of 'big brother' is social media meaning we as intrusive spectators are the worst part of the future.
th3f00l
Footballguy
Does anyone think all of this was not happening 20 years ago? We just know about it now.
It's a cluster-eff and the league has done a poor job, to say the least, but doling out punishment when you are dealing with a union as well as due process is not cut and dry. At least not yet. These are the growing pains.
It's a cluster-eff and the league has done a poor job, to say the least, but doling out punishment when you are dealing with a union as well as due process is not cut and dry. At least not yet. These are the growing pains.
I don't think these are growing pains, these are beginning-of-the-end pains. maybe the players are the same, but the world they live and work in is not the same, and if they are not evolving, they are dying. The world shines a brighter spot light now, and things that were never the focus of attention 20 years ago, are now coming into focus. between the concussion issues, the off-the-field issues, the on-the-field decline in the product, the poor leadership in the front office, and among team owners, this is a dangerous time for the NFL. I'll add that fantasy football is not helping their cause - we, fans collectively, root more for players than we do for teams. So, when individual players cause us to turn away in disgust, we don't overlook their bad sides for the sake of a greater team.Daywalker said:
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
With a rulebook thicker than the tax code, two hours of commercials sandwiched around 60 minutes of game and a protected franchise system designed to keep out competition and crush the union, good luck expanding overseas, NFL.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
If I'm the NFL , I would start to use their security staff to start investigating some of the writers out there that are calling them out. My guess is there is plent of dirt in the closets of the moral superior crowd (Simmons, Olberman, et al).
roadkill1292
Footballguy
This isn't normal Shark Pool material but it's probably worth discussing. Nobody obviously is shutting down the NFL. But the shaking your head disgust thing is real. It's difficult when a sport you love leaves you with a sick feeling. Especially because one reason lots of people love sports is that it's a way to get away from some of the child beating / wife hitting stories you see in other places. So I understand the feeling. I have it too.
Please keep it cool here but this is something worth discussing I think.
J
Please keep it cool here but this is something worth discussing I think.
J
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I've always tried to remain realistic about the nfl. Entitled 22-33 y/o males aren't exactly the cream of the crop when it comes to morality and behavior.
Bad week, but nothing more than that. By week 6 there will be some lingering questions for a guy like Peterson, but everyone will have moved on.
These guys are paid to run fast, jump high and be strong. I'm glad they're trying to hold them to some level of responsibility, but in the end, these aren't politicians and business leaders.
In short, we have a lot worse problems than the NFL having some thugs and drug abusers among the ranks.
Bad week, but nothing more than that. By week 6 there will be some lingering questions for a guy like Peterson, but everyone will have moved on.
These guys are paid to run fast, jump high and be strong. I'm glad they're trying to hold them to some level of responsibility, but in the end, these aren't politicians and business leaders.
In short, we have a lot worse problems than the NFL having some thugs and drug abusers among the ranks.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Its sickening, they say what they want or expect to happen and they get it. Regardless of facts or the further pain the repercussions the media asks for can cause. The media wants a story all the time and they do not care who they step on to get the ratings and web clicks that they desire so much. The media misguides you on purpose to lead the story in the direction it wants they leave out facts and over embellish points.dickey moe said:
Heatman
Footballguy
By this logic we should shut down all sports leagues, all governments, all businesses and all homes in the world. Time to shut it all down. Show me a perfect person and I'll show you a liar.
The only thing that has evolved is the fact that us normal joes have the chance to have our opinions known through social media. There are enough people in the world that live to persecute everything and everyone but themselves. I would bet that if us normal joes had our lives scrutinized as much as these guys there would be a lot less judgement and a lot more defense.
Again I am not condoning anything but I am so over the "They are so much worse than we are" posts.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
So there are a few of these "the media" posts here. The media didn't punch Ray Rice's wife. The media didn't beat Adrian Peterson's kid. The media didn't assault Hardy's fiancee. Granted reporting is more ubiquitous and invasive than before, so we're more aware of reprehensible acts - but if these people didn't commit the reprehensible acts there wouldn't be any to report on. I think it's wrongheaded to cast blame on reporting. The focus should rightly remain on those who've done rotten things. Those are the people who make me question my level of interest in their sport.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
The bolded is a really good point. I know that for me anyway that's all sports and fantasy football are, an escape from real life's pressures and duties. When the news continues to be ugly as it has especially recently, and the spotlight is constantly put on what is happening off the field as opposed to what is happening on it (is anyone anywhere really talking about what happened in Week one this year?), I start considering spending more of my spare time and money on alternate things for my escapism (books, movies, etc.) rather than sports. I'm sure that's not something the NFL wants from its fans.
Slider
Footballguy
I think the worst thing for the NFL is an unpopular lawyer leading things. All this ticky tack fines and above everything mentality coupled with softening the game has created a product not as watchable as in the past. They better get this hgh and roid stuff figured out so normal people can go out there and hit then they better get a leader to run things and let the players play.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This makes zero sense.
Softening the game was going to happen no matter who was commish. its covering their butts from further lawsuits.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Yes, the appropriate way to promote a cleaner image is to resort to covert action, surveillance, extortion, and blackmail against anyone that poses a threat to bringing out THE TRUTH of the matter in order to keep said truth buried. Orwell would be proud.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
or....maybe things have always been this way and the nfl is just a microcosm of society, and we should leverage this situation to address the fundamental failings of personal accountability, the legal system, and the mental health system in our country.
nahhh....just cancel some games. then everyone can say "harummph" and we can all go back to business as usual concentrating on the fiction of the terrorist threat level and whether or not Eli is going to continue to throw interceptions.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Very true. I am sure most of remember the Andy character in The Breakfast Club, right? While he was a wrestler, not a football player, that kind of "Win at all costs, damn the weak" attitude that his father instilled in him is prevalent in many young athletes, and that comes from parents, coaches, teachers, etc. Student athletes are put on pedestals at very young ages, so it's no surprise that they grow up thinking that they can do whatever they want and get away with it.Manster said:
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
great fishing trip.At least I hope it is. I'd hate to think it's the alternative, but you never know for sure here these days.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
i think the general public hearing about it this often is more the product of the media. there was no tmz, internet, nfl network in the 80s when players were on coke, roids, beating women, etc and it wasn't being covered on good morning america. I am pretty sure this stuff has been going on since the advent of the league
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habsfan
Footballguy
Completely agree that "the culture" can foster the perspective in some that society's rules apply to other people but not me (the rich, the famous, the pro athlete etc.) but even among that group, NFL players seem to get in trouble more than most.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Well, you don't see many companies that have as a primary part of the job description for a significant portion of its employees of organized violence against each other.
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
hey remember when people were saying the NBA was full of thugs and the NFL could do no wrong
nobody's immune, yall
nobody's immune, yall
They are just making #### up as they go right now. The NFL has lost control of the situation, and are now in a reactionary mode, spiraling out of control.
Once the advertisers, media, and general public figure out how much power they wield, the NFL is done. They will have new rules every week.
Once the concussion stuff starts to resonate with the public, or the next significant head trauma on the field - and the gravy train is over...
Once the advertisers, media, and general public figure out how much power they wield, the NFL is done. They will have new rules every week.
Once the concussion stuff starts to resonate with the public, or the next significant head trauma on the field - and the gravy train is over...
DoubleG
Footballguy
Avery
Footballguy
Exactly.
The NFL is reacting, bobbing and weaving, as if there are no, even their own, that they have to abide by.
no different than any other year...I don't have Peterson, or Rice if that is what you are asking.10 years from now, you'll look back to this era, and remember how the NFL used to be on top.
Look at all the complaints the NFL is dealing with - personal conduct of players, PED usage by players, recreational drug usage, an owner accused of sexual assault, a commissioner that nobody trusts, so many rules now that almost every play has a flag, big hits are going away, it will be no-contact soon enough, games are dragging on, etc.
laugh all you want, but the NFL is on the down side of its popularity. just as baseball is seeing the average age of its viewers get perilously close to retirement age, the NFL will see a sharper drop off.
Bronco Billy
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