first, let me say that i'm not blaming derek anderson for the brown's poor performance. i think he's a good qb. he's put a lot of passes right in his receiver's ( especially edwards) hands and gotten nothing. also romeo has to take the blame for some of the knucklehead decisions that he and his coaching staff have made. however right now, the browns need a spark and maybe putting brady in would make a difference.
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PatrickT
Footballguy
Don't really follow the logic, but I suppose it's worked in the past. Maybe benching Braylon for a game might light a fire? I've always been an Anderson believer, so I'm not sure replacing him is the answer, especially if you say he's not to blame.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Braylon had a few drops in the first two games, but let's not annoint DA as anything other than inaccurate. He was missing badly yesterday and wasn't looking much better against Dal and Pit.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Can we bench Romeo for a game?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
does BQ play linebacker? can he tackle?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Brady Quinn has more pimps than the only whore in a Navy town.
amnesiac
beer is good
:whoosh: maybe he can play corner and reciever while he's at it.not saying that it's not possible he could provide a spark, but he didn't look terribly accurate in the preseason either.
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
Brady Quinn has more pimps than Smurfette.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Brady Quinn won't solve what the Browns need fixing. Although, this week would be the PERFECT week to start Quinn if the Browns wanted to present the illusion that Quinn was solving the problem.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Romeo Lombardi just said "Anderson is still the starter, but we'll get Quinn ready to play -- more practice reps, etc."
Saw it on a bottom line scroll a few minutes ago.
Saw it on a bottom line scroll a few minutes ago.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I would have no problem with Cleveland making the change now that they are 0-3. I don't think it solves what has been going wrong but I can see them making the change. The bottom line is that once they make that change they then have to deal with Anderson and his big fat newly signed contract sitting on the bench. It is starting to look like a no win situation for Cleveland. Maybe they should have traded one of the two after last season?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yep, DA...been saying that since last season.I don't think DA's contract is an issue. If Quinn is starting at the end of this season, DA will be traded for a pair of socks (maybe a late pick) or flat out cut before they owe him the next (large) bonus after this season.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I got torched for this (though not by Bobcat, who's always understood me) but the more I watch Cleveland, the more accurate I think this is.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
This is just a stupid thread, he played Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore....wow your right he sucks, I wonder how DA might look against tuff defenses, better yet I wonder if BQ would have looked any better then DA did, not to mention Stallworth is hurt, Winslow is getting double covered since Braylon ain't up to fold speed yet cuz of his foot. Do me a favor man, stop watching ESPN. Quinn is no answer right now!!!
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Wow. While your last comment might be correct b/c the entire team has stunk this year, the first is wrong and the second is rather speculative. Quinn is backing up DA because he held out of part of training camp as a rookie.When Frye was pulled midway thru week 1, Quinn was not ready. Quinn didn't even play versus the opponents starters in the preseason and lost out on a ton of snaps b/c Romeo was too busy pitting Frye and Anderson against each other. Week 2, DA throws for 5 TDs. Then DA stayed hot, the team was winning, and he got a decent contract in the offseason. Quinn has been in no position to start.So, is Quinn the answer right now...probably not. But the more I see of DA the more I don't like. Quinn will be starting for the Browns this year and then to start 2009, it's just matter of when this year.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Translation: Anderson starts the next game, but Quinn comes in at the first sign of trouble.Raider Nation said:
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Browns should have traded Anderson away when they could have gotten a haul for him. Now, Anderson starts against the Bengals, the Browns lose, and Quinn will make his first start ,after the bye, at home, on MNF, against your defending Super Bowl Champion NY Giants and be crushed like a bug by the windshield that is the NYG's pass rush.
MAC_32
Footballguy
...and what haul would that be?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
That's because you're an objective fan rather than a blind homer who takes any comment as an attack. This team has TOO MUCH talent to be playing as poorly as they are right now, and the more I see of Anderson, the more I'd be ready to kill him if I was a Browns fan. The guy just flat-out misses way too many easy throws. Problem is, Quinn, for all his plusses, has never been considered a particularly accurate passer, so maybe it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other at this point, I don't know. No one really does, except those who have seen Quinn extensively, and that ain't us.And yeah, we are coming off looking pretty good here.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
How fast do you have to be to fold? I sprained my ankle trying to leap over a drunken 80-year old at an Oktoberfest celebration this past weekend and I just folded a piece of paper 7 times in about 20 seconds with no problem whatsoever.JuSt CuZ said:
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
A 4th round pick? Or Anderson + 5th for a 3rd? Either way, 90% of the world was in agreement that the best move for the Browns was to trade one of their QBs and either get something in return or save some money. Or both.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Anyone who thinks Savage didn't have the opportunity to move DA isn't in their right mind. There were definitely rumors out there....and there was probably alot of stuff that didn't leak that never will.A 4th round pick? Or Anderson + 5th for a 3rd? Either way, 90% of the world was in agreement that the best move for the Browns was to trade one of their QBs and either get something in return or save some money. Or both.
MAC_32
Footballguy
...and risk him proving not to be a fluke on a divisonal opponent (he probably would have ended up back in Baltimore by all accounts I've heard)? Yea, he would have been run out of town.Whatever decision the front office made would have been a risky one, I'm not going to fault them because they were never offered "a haul." They were offered something, but a haul? No.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm about to start up the Cowher to Cleveland stuff full force. Your avatar is being warned. Wanna piggy back that too? I got it going too early...'07 before the season looking towards this year...now it's pretty clear Romeo is on the hot seat. .. . .That's because you're an objective fan rather than a blind homer who takes any comment as an attack. This team has TOO MUCH talent to be playing as poorly as they are right now, and the more I see of Anderson, the more I'd be ready to kill him if I was a Browns fan. The guy just flat-out misses way too many easy throws. Problem is, Quinn, for all his plusses, has never been considered a particularly accurate passer, so maybe it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other at this point, I don't know. No one really does, except those who have seen Quinn extensively, and that ain't us.And yeah, we are coming off looking pretty good here.
acme
Footballguy
Anyone hear how much longer on Dante? They need him NOW!
BigRed
Footballguy
Have you even watched him play this year? I think you're the one who needs to stop watching ESPN.PS I give up: what's "fold speed?" How fast he can run before folding up like a tent because he knows he's about to get hit?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Supposedly he'll be ready to go this week. Supposedly.
MAC_32
Footballguy
While I'm not fully on board with his support I do agree that DA's getting way too much blame. He was a trainwreck in the 2nd half against Baltimore but before then I put as much if not more blame on the rest of the team before him...and yes that includes the Polamolu pick. First, we should have just kicked the FG as there was only 6 seconds left. Second, the play call was terrible - if it were completed as diagramed there's a good chance the WR is brought down short of the end zone. Third, the INT is not thrown if Steptoe runs the correct route.Have you even watched him play this year? I think you're the one who needs to stop watching ESPN.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
DA has looked bad ever since the pressure of playoffs entered the picture last season. When there was no pressure, he was fine. Once playoffs became a possibility, ka-boom.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Steptoe was probably the 3rd option at best on that play. Are all the pass catchers supposed to run to the end zone there? I'm not sure of the design of the play so I don't know for sure. I think DA has to take some blame for making that throw short of the end zone instead of getting rid of the ball and taking 3pts. He's still the one who threw the ball. I think he threw to a WR that was supposed to be drawing one or two defenders hoping to open another look up. Just my 2 cents on that play...While I'm not fully on board with his support I do agree that DA's getting way too much blame. He was a trainwreck in the 2nd half against Baltimore but before then I put as much if not more blame on the rest of the team before him...and yes that includes the Polamolu pick. First, we should have just kicked the FG as there was only 6 seconds left. Second, the play call was terrible - if it were completed as diagramed there's a good chance the WR is brought down short of the end zone. Third, the INT is not thrown if Steptoe runs the correct route.Have you even watched him play this year? I think you're the one who needs to stop watching ESPN.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Given where Polamolu was playing Steptoe should have cut his route short, even though common sense says he needed to get to the end zone (perhaps that's why he did it?).You're right in that DA should have just thrown it away but the coaching is not putting him in position to make good plays if they're calling plays with 6 seconds left in the half with no timeouts that forces a WR to cut their route short of the end zone.Steptoe was probably the 3rd option at best on that play. Are all the pass catchers supposed to run to the end zone there? I'm not sure of the design of the play so I don't know for sure. I think DA has to take some blame for making that throw short of the end zone instead of getting rid of the ball and taking 3pts. He's still the one who threw the ball. I think he threw to a WR that was supposed to be drawing one or two defenders hoping to open another look up. Just my 2 cents on that play...While I'm not fully on board with his support I do agree that DA's getting way too much blame. He was a trainwreck in the 2nd half against Baltimore but before then I put as much if not more blame on the rest of the team before him...and yes that includes the Polamolu pick. First, we should have just kicked the FG as there was only 6 seconds left. Second, the play call was terrible - if it were completed as diagramed there's a good chance the WR is brought down short of the end zone. Third, the INT is not thrown if Steptoe runs the correct route.Have you even watched him play this year? I think you're the one who needs to stop watching ESPN.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I see what you're saying, but again how many pass catchers were already in the end zone? I don't see much benefit in 4 or 5 guys running around in the same 10 yard area causing even more congestion. But, none of this even matters if the clock was handled properly, or if DA could run the hurry up offense without assistance from the sidelines (all QBs should be able to do this, imo...he's looked as confused as anyone in these situations this year).Given where Polamolu was playing Steptoe should have cut his route short, even though common sense says he needed to get to the end zone (perhaps that's why he did it?).You're right in that DA should have just thrown it away but the coaching is not putting him in position to make good plays if they're calling plays with 6 seconds left in the half with no timeouts that forces a WR to cut their route short of the end zone.Steptoe was probably the 3rd option at best on that play. Are all the pass catchers supposed to run to the end zone there? I'm not sure of the design of the play so I don't know for sure. I think DA has to take some blame for making that throw short of the end zone instead of getting rid of the ball and taking 3pts. He's still the one who threw the ball. I think he threw to a WR that was supposed to be drawing one or two defenders hoping to open another look up. Just my 2 cents on that play...While I'm not fully on board with his support I do agree that DA's getting way too much blame. He was a trainwreck in the 2nd half against Baltimore but before then I put as much if not more blame on the rest of the team before him...and yes that includes the Polamolu pick. First, we should have just kicked the FG as there was only 6 seconds left. Second, the play call was terrible - if it were completed as diagramed there's a good chance the WR is brought down short of the end zone. Third, the INT is not thrown if Steptoe runs the correct route.Have you even watched him play this year? I think you're the one who needs to stop watching ESPN.
Routilla
Footballguy
I just want to see some production out of Edwards this weekend. I grabbed Quinn off the ww last week so I guess I would like to see DA throw an INT or 2 in this game and give Quinn some time in the 2nd half Sunday. If he still sucks I can drop him Tuesday and free up a roster spot. But if he has improved then perhaps he could go on to help some starving FF teams out at QB. DA had his chance I think.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You are right in understanding that Anderson isn't to blame for the Brown's offensive performance to date. Facing three top ten defenses, #9 Dallas, #2 Pittsburgh, and #1 Baltimore, along with key injuries from Braylon Edards and Jamal Lewis and even DA, to Joe Jeurevicius and Donte' Stallworth to packages that were supposed to be run with Josh Cribbs along with injuries on the offensive line to Ryan Tucker and Eric Steinbeck and Kevin Shaffer, and poor play from C Hank Fraley and critical drops from receivers have all worked against the QB. I don't think its time to start Quinn. I think its a terrible time to put the kid in there. If Braylon gets his timing back and we get the running game going and finally get Stallworth back, THEN that would be a good time to start Quinn.I understand the idea that a simple QB change would jump-start the offense but I don't think that is a wise move, to make a QB knowing the QB isn't the only reason for the offensive problems in order to give a kick in the pants to the rest of the team. That seems like a temporary ploy that wouldn't sustain for very long. If Quinn goes in and the receivers continue to drop passes and the line gives up sacks and their is no #2 WR option then Quinn will falter, then what? Split loyalties in the lockerroom and a full-blown QB controversy. Right now DA is struggling but you are right, he's not the main culprit for the offensive woes. If we put in Quinn right now the team isn't set up for allowing him his best chance for success but the injuries would make it more likely that he would fail. A young QB needs reliable receivers and solid protection and a running game that can get him out of jams and an offensive coordinator who is hot or is at least decent but Chud is the OC of the worst offense in the entire league and his stock has significantly dropped this year. This is not the best time to start Quinn and if the team needs a QB before they do their job then what happens if Quinn doesn't do well? Do we keep flipping back and forth? I'd much rather that Quinn get his shot when he has the best chance to succeed rather than fail. The only way I'd make a switch is if DA utterly bombs as he did against Baltimore. That sort of performance is unacceptable and it erodes the team's confidence. Then a switch would be the best option for the team even if the circumstances would not provide Quinn the best chance for success.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I assume you are a homer by the way you held your discussion above. I disagree. Not having seen a single Browns game this season my opinion may not carry much weight, but I think DA is vastly overrated.From the Browns games I have seen last year, DA was very lucky to have the WRs he did, otherwise he would have fell on his face. Many times he just threw up jump balls and he had very tall WRs out there who would go up and get them. His WRs bailed him out last year, and they are not doing it this year. Key injuries are a factor and dropped passes... but a good QB overcomes those problems. Yes yes if a WR doesn't catch the ball how can a QB overcome that? Well, there are other options out there (TE and RB), get in your WRs face and tell him to catch the damn ball, throw it to another WR. You can't tell me that Braylon is the only WR out there who can catch a ball... this is the NFL, these guys are there for a reason- they are good.Going back to last year, Anderson really started his downfall at week 15 @ against Buffalo. This is where the whole "top 3 Ds in the first 3 weeks" really carries little. I agree, it's tough to judge against 3 top 3 Ds, but last year:BUF against the pass: 29th DA's performance: 57.1 passer rating, 137 yards, 0 TDs 0 INTs@ CIN... Cin against the pass: 26thDA's performance: 53.4 passer rating, 251 yards, 2 TDs, 4 INTsSF against the pass: 22ndDA's performance: 75.4 passer rating, 152 yards, 1 TD, 1 INTSo he didn't really finish the season very well. And on top of that, he tore up CIN week 2 with 5 TDs and 0 INTs. Now what changed in a matter of 12 weeks? Not a whole lot except teams have figured out how to play against him. Anderson was virtually an unknown when he started last year, but now teams have more film on him, more game plans on how to beat him. Teams have finally exposed him for what he is- an overrated bottom 1/4 of the league QB. Last year the guy couldn't string together 2 consecutive weeks of 80+ passer rating. He'd have one terrible game followed by one amazing game. Quite honestly, his stat trends resemble Rex Grossman from 2006. I really don't think he will lead CLE to the superbowl, playoffs, a winning season. He's a stop-gap QB who can run an offense but in the end just can't cut it. It is definitely time to bring in Quinn. He is another unknown and at the very least will have immediate success as teams won't know how to play him. He's had a year to learn, he's got a very strong arm, he's smart... I think he's way better than Anderson at this point
MAC_32
Footballguy
The Buffalo game was played in a blizzardThe Cincy game was played in similar conditions as the Tennessee/Cincy game two weeks ago except it was about 60 degrees colderDA was injured in the 2nd quarter of the San Fran game and was limited in the 2nd half
Bobcat10
Footballguy
MAC_32 said:Warriors Forever said:The Buffalo game was played in a blizzardThe Cincy game was played in similar conditions as the Tennessee/Cincy game two weeks ago except it was about 60 degrees colderDA was injured in the 2nd quarter of the San Fran game and was limited in the 2nd half
Would have posted that myself.
RoosterScott
Footballguy
Bring in Brady! Anderson=overrated and overpaid!
A change? IM having trouble following the logic. Coaching =horrendous
RUNNING GAME= hurting
DA's his receivers are stinking it up. The DEF gets an F.
Hey, didnt the CHIEFS try to shake things up too? Huard is back.
Jamal Lewis looks slow. How bout putting someone else in?Change the components. Put someone in who can catch.
The problems here are deeper, and isnt to be blamed on the QB.
RUNNING GAME= hurting
DA's his receivers are stinking it up. The DEF gets an F.
Hey, didnt the CHIEFS try to shake things up too? Huard is back.
Jamal Lewis looks slow. How bout putting someone else in?Change the components. Put someone in who can catch.
The problems here are deeper, and isnt to be blamed on the QB.
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Fallerjw
Footballguy
XThe Browns DEF gave up 3 TDs last weekend. The drives were 12, 35 and 43 yards.
Jamal Lewis averaged almost 5 yards per carry (even though he only got 12 carries).
I'm not trying to lay all the blame on DA, but he sure hasn't gone much to help his cause so far.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Brady Quinn better start working on his broadcasting.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
5:43 AM, drunk post?
