I'm not sure I know what you mean by "Division 1A Subdivision level", but he played at Buffalo which is a part of the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS). It is the big boy division in college football, albeit in the relatively weak MAC conference. I agree with most everything else you wrote though.gradin123 said:
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Time to stash James Starks? (1 Viewer)
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J Giles Band
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If you are hurting at RB (like GB), why not take a flier on Starks? He's a longshot for value, but the situation is still elite and the investment is minimal. Chances are he makes little impact this season, but the situation makes it worth swinging for the fences.
This is a better value play than the one the experts were selling you week 2 touting Brandon Jackson as the mortal lock FA pickup of the season. With little regard to Jackson's talent and proven inability to be the guy when given the opportunity in the past. How'd that work out? Hey, Jackson was worth a decent investment without a doubt on situation alone, but the over-the-top 'this is a lock'/'go all in with your FAAB $' stance didn't make sense to begin with and only served to handicap those who followed the herd.
Regardless of his outcome, at least Starks is a low cost lottery ticket and a better investment than Jackson.
This is a better value play than the one the experts were selling you week 2 touting Brandon Jackson as the mortal lock FA pickup of the season. With little regard to Jackson's talent and proven inability to be the guy when given the opportunity in the past. How'd that work out? Hey, Jackson was worth a decent investment without a doubt on situation alone, but the over-the-top 'this is a lock'/'go all in with your FAAB $' stance didn't make sense to begin with and only served to handicap those who followed the herd.
Regardless of his outcome, at least Starks is a low cost lottery ticket and a better investment than Jackson.
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Not all packer fans. But the ones who are defending TT right now for not getting Lynch for a 3rd round pick which is about 25%.
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I guess it depends how deep your rosters are. Stash him over who?
sho nuff
Footballguy
And what does that have to do with them grasping at straws about starks?It appears the hype and love for Starks is coming from other fans, not Packer fans.
Well I can quote you a lot of Packers fans who are saying that they are keeping the faith in TT and that he didn't do the deal because they think he is high on Starks or that Nance or Starks will turn into something like Grant did. Starks ultimately will have a better chance to do that IMO but not this year. Nance is trash. I believe I read somewhere he was the least productive starting RB in the history of ASU. He was trash in college and is still trash.
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That Little Voice
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Brandon Jackson?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think there are some that will say they think TT did not do the deal because they think the team likes starks.I don't think you will find as many as you think that have faith in that working or saying that Starks will come right in and be ready to go.IMO, you lumped a lot of Packer fans in with others buying into the Starks hype, and thus far I think Packer fans have been the most realistic about Starks.As for Nance, not sure where you heard he was the least productive RB in their history, or enough to just call him trash...but have at it if you wish. (this does not mean Im saying the guy will light it up at all...just seems a bit harsh at this point).
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Bob McGinn had an interesting comment in his chat today regarding Nance, Torain and the game this weekend:
sho nuff
Footballguy
Very interesting as McGinn is generally not an optimist about such things as he seems to be with Nance.On the Packers and Torrain...not sure Washington would have let him go...I would guess they would have tried to retain him.
That Little Voice
Footballguy
Thanks for sharing this.
That Little Voice
Footballguy
What is the timeline for a decision process for guys coming off PUP?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Tigerbot Hesh
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Unless I got it wrong, they are on the PUP for the first six weeks, and then the team has a three-week window to either put them on the active roster or send them to IR for the season.
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Kleck
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Tigerbot Hesh is correct. 3 weeks. They're eligible to come off the PUP after the week 6 game, and can then begin practicing with the team. During this 3 week span they do not count against the 53-man roster, unless the team activates them which they must do to play in games.
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ROBOPUNTER
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Listen to Kleck. The player stays on the PUP for 6 weeks, then the player has 3 weeks to get activated or be sent to IR.
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
Starks has not played in a real football game since 2008. The Packers are having protection problems as it is, I do not think that a rookie who has not played in that long is going to be trusted to pass protect, and it is a very pass heavy offense. If you are looking for a RB for the immediate future, Nance has a better chance to get more work in my opinion.I would still much rather have Jackson than any of them, but I assume he is not available.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
nlgb1
Footballguy
if you want a special teamer... take nance. if you want a guy that actually has a shot to get substantial carries... take starks.
This starks is gonna come in and all of a sudden save the day is very Ben Gayesque.The odds are slim to none starks is ff relevant this season people, move on.
nlgb1
Footballguy
people who say that starks is going to come in and "save the day" arent being realistic. but he has a FAR better shot at producing than nance.This starks is gonna come in and all of a sudden save the day is very Ben Gayesque.The odds are slim to none starks is ff relevant this season people, move on.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
In Starks We Trust!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Having fun?
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/111342359.html
Green Bay — James Starks sported a big, white bandage on his forehead and a big, wide grin on his face Sunday afternoon.
Not only had he just suited up for his first NFL game, but he had played a key role in the Green Bay Packers' 34-16 victory over the San Francisco 49ers at Lambeau Field.
Starks, 24, a rookie sixth-round draft pick from Buffalo, had 18 carries for 73 yards. It was a surprising workload, considering he hadn't played since Jan. 3, 2009, in what turned out to be his final collegiate game.
He missed his senior season after undergoing shoulder surgery and started his professional career on Green Bay's physically unable to perform list with a hamstring injury. He was activated from the PUP list Nov. 9 but was inactive the last two games.
Asked if he thought he'd get 18 carries in his NFL debut, Starks said, "I had no clue. Hey, if they give me carries, I'll accept them with open arms."
According to Elias, Starks' 73 rushing yards were the most by a Packers rookie running back in his first game since Ralph Earhart had 78 at Boston on Sept. 17, 1948.
"I was just anxious to get out there and play with my teammates, play with 'A-Rod' (Aaron Rodgers), play for the fans here at Lambeau," Starks said. "It was an exciting moment for me. I just took it all in. I was like an excited little kid out there."
Whether Starks breathed some life into a struggling running game or the offensive line blocked better after a tough loss in Atlanta, the result was 136 yards on the ground for the Packers.
"We established the run today," said receiver Greg Jennings. "I thought we ran the ball really well. We're still not where we want to be. We've got a new kid on the block who is trying to step up and give us that power back.
"Our offensive line did an outstanding job opening holes for him, and he did a good job reading them."
With Starks shouldering most of the load, starter and Packers leading rusher Brandon Jackson got just four carries and gained 13 yards. He did catch four passes for 63 yards, including 37 on a beautifully executed screen.
Starks is a big back at 6 foot 2 and 218 pounds. He might be more powerful than the 5-10, 216-pound Jackson, and he's faster than backup John Kuhn (six carries for 13 yards).
"I don't want to get into different styles," Jackson said. "Starks, he did great today."
Starks said he figured he'd be activated when he worked with special teams in practice Wednesday. But he had no idea he'd get his first carry on the Packers' third play from scrimmage. He gained 2 yards.
"The first run, that's why I just ran straight," he said. "I just wanted to get hit just to see how it is, test the NFL a little bit. You've got to get the rust off. The first carry, I just tried to keep the ball high and tight, hit the hole and get what they gave me."
Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.
He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0. He broke two tackles on the 16-yard run and might have gained a lot more on the 7-yarder had he not been tripped up.
"I've got to keep my feet up," he said. "Those opportunities don't come often. I saw the hole, and I hit it good. The guy next to me kind of bumped me, and I was like 'Oh, man.' That kind of tripped me up."
Packers coach Mike McCarthy was pleased with Starks' debut.
"I thought he performed very well and was very impressed, particularly the way he fell forward for one or two yards on a number of his carries," McCarthy said. "He's off to a good start."
His teammates were impressed, too.
"That's a good running back," said Donald Driver. "He showed what he could do. I just want to see more of it. He'll get his opportunity once again next week (at Detroit)."
Said tackle Bryan Bulaga, "Starks is a good player and he's only going to improve week to week as he gets more reps."
Starks even got to return two second-half kicks when the 49ers kicked away from Sam Shields. He returned the first 8 yards to the Packers' 31 and the second 17 yards to the 44.
He said he never returned kicks in college and last did it in high school.
"It's been awhile," he said. "The first kickoff I could have caught it and ran. I thought Sam was saying, 'I got it, I got it,' so I looked back and he was just waiting for me to get it. It was my fault. The second time they did it again, so I tried to capitalize on that opportunity."
Starks seemed to relish getting hit for the first time in live action in 23 months. The bandage on his forehead covered a gash that occurred in practice recently. Otherwise, he was none the worse for wear.
"I feel good," he said, beaming at the knot of reporters around his locker. "I feel very good."
Green Bay — James Starks sported a big, white bandage on his forehead and a big, wide grin on his face Sunday afternoon.
Not only had he just suited up for his first NFL game, but he had played a key role in the Green Bay Packers' 34-16 victory over the San Francisco 49ers at Lambeau Field.
Starks, 24, a rookie sixth-round draft pick from Buffalo, had 18 carries for 73 yards. It was a surprising workload, considering he hadn't played since Jan. 3, 2009, in what turned out to be his final collegiate game.
He missed his senior season after undergoing shoulder surgery and started his professional career on Green Bay's physically unable to perform list with a hamstring injury. He was activated from the PUP list Nov. 9 but was inactive the last two games.
Asked if he thought he'd get 18 carries in his NFL debut, Starks said, "I had no clue. Hey, if they give me carries, I'll accept them with open arms."
According to Elias, Starks' 73 rushing yards were the most by a Packers rookie running back in his first game since Ralph Earhart had 78 at Boston on Sept. 17, 1948.
"I was just anxious to get out there and play with my teammates, play with 'A-Rod' (Aaron Rodgers), play for the fans here at Lambeau," Starks said. "It was an exciting moment for me. I just took it all in. I was like an excited little kid out there."
Whether Starks breathed some life into a struggling running game or the offensive line blocked better after a tough loss in Atlanta, the result was 136 yards on the ground for the Packers.
"We established the run today," said receiver Greg Jennings. "I thought we ran the ball really well. We're still not where we want to be. We've got a new kid on the block who is trying to step up and give us that power back.
"Our offensive line did an outstanding job opening holes for him, and he did a good job reading them."
With Starks shouldering most of the load, starter and Packers leading rusher Brandon Jackson got just four carries and gained 13 yards. He did catch four passes for 63 yards, including 37 on a beautifully executed screen.
Starks is a big back at 6 foot 2 and 218 pounds. He might be more powerful than the 5-10, 216-pound Jackson, and he's faster than backup John Kuhn (six carries for 13 yards).
"I don't want to get into different styles," Jackson said. "Starks, he did great today."
Starks said he figured he'd be activated when he worked with special teams in practice Wednesday. But he had no idea he'd get his first carry on the Packers' third play from scrimmage. He gained 2 yards.
"The first run, that's why I just ran straight," he said. "I just wanted to get hit just to see how it is, test the NFL a little bit. You've got to get the rust off. The first carry, I just tried to keep the ball high and tight, hit the hole and get what they gave me."
Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.
He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0. He broke two tackles on the 16-yard run and might have gained a lot more on the 7-yarder had he not been tripped up.
"I've got to keep my feet up," he said. "Those opportunities don't come often. I saw the hole, and I hit it good. The guy next to me kind of bumped me, and I was like 'Oh, man.' That kind of tripped me up."
Packers coach Mike McCarthy was pleased with Starks' debut.
"I thought he performed very well and was very impressed, particularly the way he fell forward for one or two yards on a number of his carries," McCarthy said. "He's off to a good start."
His teammates were impressed, too.
"That's a good running back," said Donald Driver. "He showed what he could do. I just want to see more of it. He'll get his opportunity once again next week (at Detroit)."
Said tackle Bryan Bulaga, "Starks is a good player and he's only going to improve week to week as he gets more reps."
Starks even got to return two second-half kicks when the 49ers kicked away from Sam Shields. He returned the first 8 yards to the Packers' 31 and the second 17 yards to the 44.
He said he never returned kicks in college and last did it in high school.
"It's been awhile," he said. "The first kickoff I could have caught it and ran. I thought Sam was saying, 'I got it, I got it,' so I looked back and he was just waiting for me to get it. It was my fault. The second time they did it again, so I tried to capitalize on that opportunity."
Starks seemed to relish getting hit for the first time in live action in 23 months. The bandage on his forehead covered a gash that occurred in practice recently. Otherwise, he was none the worse for wear.
"I feel good," he said, beaming at the knot of reporters around his locker. "I feel very good."
Stinger Ray
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Please stay on topic. TIA
