Time to trade Peterson (1 Viewer)

[switz]

Sharks like you said Cutler didn't know who Javon Walker was but he was targeted more than any WR last week. Does anyone take you seriously?

Case in point: Marshall scored the TD, not Walker. Back to the issue at hand: Childress' opinion matters more than any of ours, and CT is his guy.

Now that we've gone tangential - you can't be seriously using that to try to support your incorrect assessment. Right? You don't really believe, based on one TD, that Cutler favors Marshall over Walker.

 

[mbuehner]

Ok- so we cant judge the Vikings O-line based on yard per carry, or sacks allowed (almost 3 per game), or win loss, or points scored. They are 'phenominal' because you guys say they are. Ok.

And despite being 4-12 last season in the worst division in football, and despite losing Brad Johnson to be replaced by a nobody- this team is going to be good...

You folks need to seriously manage your expectations.

 

[shadyridr]

Ok- so we cant judge the Vikings O-line based on yard per carry, or sacks allowed (almost 3 per game), or win loss, or points scored. They are 'phenominal' because you guys say they are. Ok.

And despite being 4-12 last season in the worst division in football, and despite losing Brad Johnson to be replaced by a nobody- this team is going to be good...

You folks need to seriously manage your expectations.

 

[numberSE7EN]

In my dynasty league I have ADP and would not trade him unless in the package I recieved LT2 or Manning.

We start two qbs and with 14 teams Manning and the scoring system make him quite valuable.

The only RBs I would trade straight up for him are LT2 or Steven Jackson, with Minnesotas OL, if they can slowly put together a decent passing attack over the next 2 years (and of course ADP stays healthy) ADP will be a top 3 back for years to come.

-I would not mind trading him, but the price would have to be right.

 

[PahtyTom]

Trade him in a redraft. His numbers will go down once Minnesota starts playing some real teams. I'd rather have Lynch in a redraft. He has less big play potential, but seems poised for a better season. We'll see.

So if someone offers you AD for Lynch you would say no? :tacklebox:

In a redraft, I would probably keep Lynch. Lynch's game against Denver was more meaningful to me than Peterson's game against Atlanta. And I say this as a guy who took Peterson at 1.01 in a rookie draft and who has Lynch on only one roster (a free survivor league). I think the complete lack of a passing game is going to make Peterson a very inconsistent option. He'll break some huge highlight reel runs and put up a couple monster games, but he's going to have his share of dud weeks.Lynch should be more consistent. He's going to get 15-20 carries with 3-5 catches every week. And while no one will confuse the Bills for the Colts, I'd rather have Losman/Evans/Price/Parrish than Jackson/Wade/Rice/Williamson.

Would you rather have the Bills defense and offensive line or the Vikings defense and offensive line to support your starting RB?By the way.. AD bobbled it.. but looks like he can catch.

I think the Bills have the best run blocking left side of an offensive line in the league. Peters and Dockery are as good as it gets right now IMO. McKinnie and Hutch are definitely a great left side in their own right, but I don't think most people realize how good Peters and Dockery are. That said, I love AD and only really really like Lynch.

Your right I dont realize that Peters and Dockery are better run blockers than Mt McKinney and Hutchinson.

It's true.

 

[1huskerfan]

Bad analogy. Completely different runners, completely different situations. Peterson's talent is going to be magnified running behind one of the absolute best o-lines in football. Chester was good last year. Peterson's more talented, and running behind an improved, healthy line. Big success says Borat.

I disagree. We are all quickly forgetting the Minnesota is a BAD FOOTBALL TEAM.

Umm no. They may have a HORRIBLE passing game but they got a great OLine, great running game, and phenomenal defense. This is not a bad football team in the slightest.

For Minnesota to be successful this year, they are going to have to keep the scoring low and control the ball. This can be a great formula for fantasy backs as long as the defense keeps them in the game and the QB can complete the occasional play-action-pass to keep the opposing D honest.

 

[FFdork]

I can't see trading Peterson yet, not because I'm sold he'll be a top 10 back this year, but because any RB I'd trade him for would most likely have been a first round (or maybe early second round) pick. The psychology involved is that you're taking your 3-5th round gem and trying to move him for a RB the other owner was building his team around.

You'd have to find someone really in panic mode after one week to get that done. Especially given the way everyone overvalues their own players and undervalues whoever you're offering.

If you've got a guy that's in love with Peterson, I'd definitely make the move for someone like FWP, Westbrook or Travis Henry.

FWIW, every person that follows the Vikings closely that I've talked to still believes Chester will get significant playing time when healthy. I still expect Peterson to be very productive--he is clearly their best offensive playmaker. All I was hoping for was RB2 numbers when I drafted him, so anything more is gravy.

 

[1huskerfan]

He's my RB3 behind Westy and Henry. I don't think I could make a reasonable trade for an RB without it being a lateral move with less upside in our league. I could see trading him for some top tier receivers though. I am going to wait until the bye to reevaluate as ADP and Henry have good match ups early and I want to maximize their value before doing anything.

 

[jurrassic]

I think I am going to try to wait a few weeks and package Peterson for LJ.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

I've got an offer for AP and Mark Clayton and McMichael that would land me Chad Johnson and Tony G.

My backs are McGahee, Portis, AP, Thomas Jones and Brandon Jackson, and my WRs are Reggie Wayne, Reggie Brown and Clayton. We do redraft and start 2 RB 2 WR and 1 Flex. I think I'm going to pull the trigger.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think I am going to try to wait a few weeks and package Peterson for LJ.

I took this deal (essentially) in a 20 team dynasty, trading LJ and the #20 for the #1 and Jerry porter.And I'd do it again tomorrow. I really think Peterson is going to be a special player.

 

[chet]

Weren't we having the same discussions about Cadillac last year?

 

[Team Smokin']

I have Rudi, Portis and AP in a league that starts 2 RBs. I made an offer to get Steve Smith and CT for Rudi and a scrub WR. I made this decision for two reasons:1) I don't want to have to choose only two of those guys a week...it will end up being infuriating.2) I'm making a bet that Portis and AP will both post great numbers and I will greatly improve my WR corps.It's a big risk to be sure (particularly since I'm betting on both Portis AND AP) but I feel that based on APs performance yesterday, it's a worthwhile risk. You don't win championships by being conservative and staying put. So, count me in the AP camp. His (and Portis') performance will make or break my team.

Who would you rather have if you had to decide between A. Peterson or C. Portis?Where's AP going to finish? Where's Portis going to finish?

 

[shakeybarn]

In my dynasty league I have ADP and would not trade him unless in the package I recieved LT2 or Manning. We start two qbs and with 14 teams Manning and the scoring system make him quite valuable. The only RBs I would trade straight up for him are LT2 or Steven Jackson, with Minnesotas OL, if they can slowly put together a decent passing attack over the next 2 years (and of course ADP stays healthy) ADP will be a top 3 back for years to come. -I would not mind trading him, but the price would have to be right.

Lofty

 

[salmonstud]

I think the complete lack of a passing game is going to make Peterson a very inconsistent option. He'll break some huge highlight reel runs and put up a couple monster games, but he's going to have his share of dud weeks.Lynch should be more consistent. He's going to get 15-20 carries with 3-5 catches every week. And while no one will confuse the Bills for the Colts, I'd rather have Losman/Evans/Price/Parrish than Jackson/Wade/Rice/Williamson.

EBF,Can you tell me how much better the Vikings passing game was last year? Chester Taylor was the #12 ranked RB over last year in PPR leagues & #13 in non-ppr leagues. I don't see any reason why Peterson can't match Chester's production or eclipse it. I don't see Lynch finishing as a top 12 back, but Peterson has that potential. The argument that a team has poor receivers is weak. Larry Johnson has flourished in KC because of a great line....with a subpar passing game.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Weren't we having the same discussions about Cadillac last year?

2 years ago, maybe.

 

[numberSE7EN]

In my dynasty league I have ADP and would not trade him unless in the package I recieved LT2 or Manning. We start two qbs and with 14 teams Manning and the scoring system make him quite valuable. The only RBs I would trade straight up for him are LT2 or Steven Jackson, with Minnesotas OL, if they can slowly put together a decent passing attack over the next 2 years (and of course ADP stays healthy) ADP will be a top 3 back for years to come. -I would not mind trading him, but the price would have to be right.

Lofty

In a dynasty league, what RBs would you value over him? I have J Addai and K Jones, besides LT2 and S Jackson, maybe LJ, what back would you give up ADP for?

 

[Saeniph]

I have Rudi, Portis and AP in a league that starts 2 RBs. I made an offer to get Steve Smith and CT for Rudi and a scrub WR. I made this decision for two reasons:1) I don't want to have to choose only two of those guys a week...it will end up being infuriating.2) I'm making a bet that Portis and AP will both post great numbers and I will greatly improve my WR corps.It's a big risk to be sure (particularly since I'm betting on both Portis AND AP) but I feel that based on APs performance yesterday, it's a worthwhile risk. You don't win championships by being conservative and staying put. So, count me in the AP camp. His (and Portis') performance will make or break my team.

Who would you rather have if you had to decide between A. Peterson or C. Portis?Where's AP going to finish? Where's Portis going to finish?

That would be A. Peterson, simply because we have a 0-1-2-3-2-1-0 Keeper league and we're at the first "1" so I'd have him for a while.Concerning your other questions, I think you're suggesting I then trade Portis instead of Rudi? I thought about that but I wouldn't get as good a WR as S. Smith simply because of the known Portis risk. Plus, I have L. Betts, and this deal would get me C. Taylor, essentially giving me the WAS and MIN running games. The real risk then is if these teams remain heavily RBBC.So, under this deal, I have WAS starter, MIN starter and S. Smith. Without the deal, I have to chose two (and hope I'm right) of R. Johnson, WAS starter, and A. Peterson AND choose a scrub WR3 to play each week (adding S. Smith would make my current WR1->WR2 and current WR2->WR3). The former option seems like a much better shot at a home run team.

 

[EBF]

I think the complete lack of a passing game is going to make Peterson a very inconsistent option. He'll break some huge highlight reel runs and put up a couple monster games, but he's going to have his share of dud weeks.Lynch should be more consistent. He's going to get 15-20 carries with 3-5 catches every week. And while no one will confuse the Bills for the Colts, I'd rather have Losman/Evans/Price/Parrish than Jackson/Wade/Rice/Williamson.

EBF,Can you tell me how much better the Vikings passing game was last year? Chester Taylor was the #12 ranked RB over last year in PPR leagues & #13 in non-ppr leagues. I don't see any reason why Peterson can't match Chester's production or eclipse it. I don't see Lynch finishing as a top 12 back, but Peterson has that potential. The argument that a team has poor receivers is weak. Larry Johnson has flourished in KC because of a great line....with a subpar passing game.

I wouldn't call the passing game in Kansas City sub par. Trent Green was a competent QB. Tony Gonzalez and Eddie Kennison were enough of a threat to keep defenses on their toes. Green > Jackson. Gonzo/Kennison > anyone on the Vikings. For every LJ there are several guys who struggle because of their supporting cast. Jamal Lewis was once one of the best RBs in the NFL, but he never really dominated in FF because his team never got him the scoring opportunities of Alexander or Holmes. A good back on a good team is typically worth more than a great back on a bad team. Look at Joseph Addai and Laurence Maroney. Put those guys on the Dolphins and Bucs and you'd have Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Situation is extremely important when it comes to RB production. Minnesota isn't the worst team in the league. You're right. They have a good OL that allowed Chester Taylor to finish higher than his talent warranted. But I still think this team is going to struggle when they play good opponents. Beating up on the Falcons really doesn't tell us much about Peterson. Good players are supposed to beat up on bad teams. I like Peterson. I'm not saying he's going to be useless. He has monster game potential and will probably hang a few gems on the scoreboard this season. Playing Green Bay and Detroit twice apiece should help. But let's not pretend that the Vikings are going to score a lot of points. They're not a good offensive team. Opposing defenses will adjust. Peterson will probably be inconsistent. To me, Lynch's good game against a legitimate playoff contender is more meaningful than Peterson's good game against one of the bottom 3-4 teams in the league.

 

[Disc Shark]

After week 4 right before his bye week. I am predicting he will be a top 5 back by that point, but his schedule starts to get tougher after the bye.

There's your shark.

 

[salmonstud]

I think the complete lack of a passing game is going to make Peterson a very inconsistent option. He'll break some huge highlight reel runs and put up a couple monster games, but he's going to have his share of dud weeks.Lynch should be more consistent. He's going to get 15-20 carries with 3-5 catches every week. And while no one will confuse the Bills for the Colts, I'd rather have Losman/Evans/Price/Parrish than Jackson/Wade/Rice/Williamson.

EBF,Can you tell me how much better the Vikings passing game was last year? Chester Taylor was the #12 ranked RB over last year in PPR leagues & #13 in non-ppr leagues. I don't see any reason why Peterson can't match Chester's production or eclipse it. I don't see Lynch finishing as a top 12 back, but Peterson has that potential. The argument that a team has poor receivers is weak. Larry Johnson has flourished in KC because of a great line....with a subpar passing game.

I wouldn't call the passing game in Kansas City sub par. Trent Green was a competent QB. Tony Gonzalez and Eddie Kennison were enough of a threat to keep defenses on their toes. Green > Jackson. Gonzo/Kennison > anyone on the Vikings. For every LJ there are several guys who struggle because of their supporting cast. Jamal Lewis was once one of the best RBs in the NFL, but he never really dominated in FF because his team never got him the scoring opportunities of Alexander or Holmes. A good back on a good team is typically worth more than a great back on a bad team. Look at Joseph Addai and Laurence Maroney. Put those guys on the Dolphins and Bucs and you'd have Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Situation is extremely important when it comes to RB production. Minnesota isn't the worst team in the league. You're right. They have a good OL that allowed Chester Taylor to finish higher than his talent warranted. But I still think this team is going to struggle when they play good opponents. Beating up on the Falcons really doesn't tell us much about Peterson. Good players are supposed to beat up on bad teams. I like Peterson. I'm not saying he's going to be useless. He has monster game potential and will probably hang a few gems on the scoreboard this season. Playing Green Bay and Detroit twice apiece should help. But let's not pretend that the Vikings are going to score a lot of points. They're not a good offensive team. Opposing defenses will adjust. Peterson will probably be inconsistent. To me, Lynch's good game against a legitimate playoff contender is more meaningful than Peterson's good game against one of the bottom 3-4 teams in the league.

Good points Funk...but the fact that Chester Taylor put up top 12 numbers with a passing attack no more impressive last year in Minn makes me believe that Peterson is a back that can succeed without a great suporting cast. I see Peterson getting a ton of dump off passes in the 3rd & 4th quarter if Minn is behind due to his home run potential. I was quite shocked at what Chester was able to accomplish from a fantasy perspective in Minn last year. I don't believe it was due to his great skill...but rather the Vikings great O-line.

 

[Tenacious]

So we know that everyone is focused on the next big thing in fantasy, everyone wants to ride the wave. After an impressive week 1 showing by Adrian Peterson, and the news that Taylor is hurting, is now the time to trade him? Things are looking good for him right now, but he is still a rookie and they still have no passing game. The Vikings played ATL which is not a real test. Who is looking to trade him? Who is looking to trade for him? He is currently the #1 rb in my league after 1 week, and I think I may be able to move him for a guy like Parker, Jones-Drew, or Westbrook.

I'd keep him for at least a few more weeks, but watch out for the common rookie burnout after weeks 10 - 12.

 

[Gbagzz]

To trade AD at this point would be foolhearty. The man is a baller and he'll probably be a beast down the stretch.

And you have no concern regarding his history of injuries at the college level? My concern is if he can handle the load at the pro level for a whole season

Beides the collarbone what else did he have problems with?

Shoulder 2004Ankle 2005Collar bone 2006This quoted from ESPN U"Despite all that success, Peterson had been fairly injury-prone in his Oklahoma career. He dislocated his left shoulder in fall practice in 2004, reaggravated it during the regular season and then had surgery in the offseason."

Thanks

I also found this information pretty amazing... In just two years during just his senior year of high school and his freshman year in college he ran the ball over 600 times!!"What might help Peterson avoid the NFL's injury report is if he learns to run without so many focal points. The biggest criticism of Peterson's Sooners career was that, in football terms, he runs too high. In essence, his upper body is too upright, making him a large target for tacklers. Add in the fact that Peterson is taller than the average running back and the question among NFL personnel folks is whether Peterson is worthy of taking in the early part of the first round given the financial investment. "You're talking about putting 20, 25, maybe $30 million into him and I'm not sure if he lasts more than four years the way he runs," one NFL coach said. "I love him as a player, but we can't all think in terms of just how good a player he is. There's more to it. Particularly if you're a team that's on a two- or three-year plan. If he was the final piece to the puzzle, OK, maybe you take him. But if you're still building, it's a tough call." The other fear is that Peterson's body has already taken a pounding. Between his senior year in high school and freshman season at Oklahoma, Peterson carried more than 600 times for more than 4,800 yards. In his freshman season alone, he had 339 carries for 1,925 yards. In fact, Peterson said he initially hurt his collarbone as a freshman. It didn't break until he was a junior."

It's not like these injuries are a secret. The only aspect of this that is interesting to me is that IN SPITE of all these injuries he still went not just in the first round but in the top 10. Not that I dont value the opinion of the shark pool but the catalyst for me was that the NFL and especilly Minny were well aware of his past injuries and still took him with their first pick. That should tell everyone how high his ceiling is. If you took him with as your 3rd RB then you could afford to ride him out. If anything try and do something more conservative and trade your #2 RB for a bottom tier #1 WR. IMO the worst thing that could happen is moving him... he blows up... then you end up facing the owner you traded him to... AND LOSING TO HIM in the playoffs. That would haunt me all off season.

 

[Burning Sensation]

In my dynasty league I have ADP and would not trade him unless in the package I recieved LT2 or Manning. We start two qbs and with 14 teams Manning and the scoring system make him quite valuable. The only RBs I would trade straight up for him are LT2 or Steven Jackson, with Minnesotas OL, if they can slowly put together a decent passing attack over the next 2 years (and of course ADP stays healthy) ADP will be a top 3 back for years to come. -I would not mind trading him, but the price would have to be right.

Lofty

In a dynasty league, what RBs would you value over him? I have J Addai and K Jones, besides LT2 and S Jackson, maybe LJ, what back would you give up ADP for?

I just offered SJax for AD and a 1st round rookie pick in a dynasty league, not sure if i want him to accept or not.

 

[Wrigley]

Nobody in thier right mind would give you Westbrook or FWP for Peterson in a redraft today.

except switz I guess.

I'd love to hear some of your reasoning here.

Now everybody wants me in their leagues Note: The above was my original response, not realizing you edited your post before I finished mine...

So...

Last year was the first time Westbrook put up those numbers, and stayed healthy. Quite unlikely to happen again.

As for Parker, I'm not sold on him.

Peterson is a once in a generation talent, who should remain healthy due to splitting the load, AND doesn't need 20 touches to put up huge numbers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson finish THIS season ahead of both FWP and Westbrook - by a large margin. In fact, you can pin this thread I'm so confident in it.

Only if you were born in the past 5 years.If you can get front line talent for AP, do it!!! If not, sit still and wait for them to come back in a few weeks. The offers will get better.

 

[switz]

Nobody in thier right mind would give you Westbrook or FWP for Peterson in a redraft today.

except switz I guess.

I'd love to hear some of your reasoning here.

Now everybody wants me in their leagues Note: The above was my original response, not realizing you edited your post before I finished mine...

So...

Last year was the first time Westbrook put up those numbers, and stayed healthy. Quite unlikely to happen again.

As for Parker, I'm not sold on him.

Peterson is a once in a generation talent, who should remain healthy due to splitting the load, AND doesn't need 20 touches to put up huge numbers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson finish THIS season ahead of both FWP and Westbrook - by a large margin. In fact, you can pin this thread I'm so confident in it.

Only if you were born in the past 5 years.If you can get front line talent for AP, do it!!! If not, sit still and wait for them to come back in a few weeks. The offers will get better.

 

[Judge Smails]

Nobody in thier right mind would give you Westbrook or FWP for Peterson in a redraft today.

except switz I guess.

I'd love to hear some of your reasoning here.

Now everybody wants me in their leagues Note: The above was my original response, not realizing you edited your post before I finished mine...

So...

Last year was the first time Westbrook put up those numbers, and stayed healthy. Quite unlikely to happen again.

As for Parker, I'm not sold on him.

Peterson is a once in a generation talent, who should remain healthy due to splitting the load, AND doesn't need 20 touches to put up huge numbers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson finish THIS season ahead of both FWP and Westbrook - by a large margin. In fact, you can pin this thread I'm so confident in it.

Only if you were born in the past 5 years.If you can get front line talent for AP, do it!!! If not, sit still and wait for them to come back in a few weeks. The offers will get better.

The last part is true. If he blows up this weekend, I mean for something like 150 and 2TD's, any deal is possible. Right now some owners are still a little unsure. One more time AP, one more time!

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Not sure if you guys want the thread to go this route but here's an trade offer I received earlier. I have the A Peterson side.

Carson Palmer, APeterson, Reggie Wayne

for

Jon Kitna, Joseph Addai, Larry Fitzgerald

Obviously, you can't exactly determine Peterson's value in that guy's eyes since this is a 6 player deal involving many big names.

Do you subscribe to the thought that Kitna can come close to Palmer's production due to the sheer amount of passes he will be throwing?

Was Fitzgerald's opening game a blip on the radar or a sign that the Cardinals offense is turning more towards a ball control focus?

If you think Kitna and Fitz still have solid value, then this deal shows that Peterson was GREAT value. Addai is probably a consensus Top 3-4 running

back in most peoples' eyes right now.

This isn't a "should I do this trade?" post. I just found it interesting because it incorporates a lot of players that have been the subject of many threads over the past few days.

 

[-jb-]

Not sure if you guys want the thread to go this route but here's an trade offer I received earlier. I have the A Peterson side.Carson Palmer, APeterson, Reggie WayneforJon Kitna, Joseph Addai, Larry FitzgeraldObviously, you can't exactly determine Peterson's value in that guy's eyes since this is a 6 player deal involving many big names. Do you subscribe to the thought that Kitna can come close to Palmer's production due to the sheer amount of passes he will be throwing?Was Fitzgerald's opening game a blip on the radar or a sign that the Cardinals offense is turning more towards a ball control focus? If you think Kitna and Fitz still have solid value, then this deal shows that Peterson was GREAT value. Addai is probably a consensus Top 3-4 runningback in most peoples' eyes right now.This isn't a "should I do this trade?" post. I just found it interesting because it incorporates a lot of players that have been the subject of many threads over the past few days.

bad trade.

 

[Fantasy Fix Fred]

AP is still splitting carries with chester, no way the willie parker owner does that deal straight up. for this seson only. I like AP dont get me wrong but for FF this year stick with the player in the better FF situation unless your have 2 legit starters and stash AP as your #3

 

[Fantasy Fix Fred]

Not sure if you guys want the thread to go this route but here's an trade offer I received earlier. I have the A Peterson side.Carson Palmer, APeterson, Reggie WayneforJon Kitna, Joseph Addai, Larry FitzgeraldObviously, you can't exactly determine Peterson's value in that guy's eyes since this is a 6 player deal involving many big names. Do you subscribe to the thought that Kitna can come close to Palmer's production due to the sheer amount of passes he will be throwing?Was Fitzgerald's opening game a blip on the radar or a sign that the Cardinals offense is turning more towards a ball control focus? If you think Kitna and Fitz still have solid value, then this deal shows that Peterson was GREAT value. Addai is probably a consensus Top 3-4 runningback in most peoples' eyes right now.This isn't a "should I do this trade?" post. I just found it interesting because it incorporates a lot of players that have been the subject of many threads over the past few days.

I would not trade Palmer, AP and Wayne for whats offered. unless your #2 RB is suspect and have decent Wrs w/out Wayne

 

[jdoggydogg]

Not sure if you guys want the thread to go this route but here's an trade offer I received earlier. I have the A Peterson side.Carson Palmer, APeterson, Reggie WayneforJon Kitna, Joseph Addai, Larry FitzgeraldObviously, you can't exactly determine Peterson's value in that guy's eyes since this is a 6 player deal involving many big names. Do you subscribe to the thought that Kitna can come close to Palmer's production due to the sheer amount of passes he will be throwing?Was Fitzgerald's opening game a blip on the radar or a sign that the Cardinals offense is turning more towards a ball control focus? If you think Kitna and Fitz still have solid value, then this deal shows that Peterson was GREAT value. Addai is probably a consensus Top 3-4 runningback in most peoples' eyes right now.This isn't a "should I do this trade?" post. I just found it interesting because it incorporates a lot of players that have been the subject of many threads over the past few days.

Terrible trade. Wayne > FitzgeraldPalmer > Kitna

 

[corpcow]

Ok- so we cant judge the Vikings O-line based on yard per carry, or sacks allowed (almost 3 per game), or win loss, or points scored. They are 'phenominal' because you guys say they are. Ok. And despite being 4-12 last season in the worst division in football, and despite losing Brad Johnson to be replaced by a nobody- this team is going to be good... You folks need to seriously manage your expectations.

First of all, they were 6-10 not 4-12. Second of all, Brad Johnson was basically a nobody at this stage in his career.Finally, they do have a phenomenal offensive line. Steve Hutchinson and Birk have both been to multiple Pro-Bowls in recent years. McKinnie hasn't gone to a Pro-Bowl yet, but he's Pro-Bowl caliber. And besides being a physical specimen, he's a former Outland Trophy winner, was #7 in Heisman voting his senior year, and didn't give up a sack his entire collegiate career. I would go so far as to say they might have the best left side of the line in the league.And of course, none of this necessarily has bearings on how good the team will be. They have a good defense (especially run defense), a good offensive line, two backs capable of being workhorses, and a young and inexperienced passing attack. To me, that translates to a lot of running and good fantasy prospects for the RBs.