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[Insein]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Milwaukee was very good that year.

Sixers were interesting that year. They came out on flying with a more run and gun style featuring Ratliff. Then they stopped mid-season and decided that they needed to be more of a slowdown "playoff" team in order to make a run and made the switch to Dikembe.

Obviously not the most talented team ever, but winning game 1 of the NBA finals that year was the absolute best thing I've experienced as a Sixers' fan. Sad that it is only 1 game, but it was still fantastic.

What hurt more was being up 14 in game 2 in LA only to watch the monster awaken in the second half. Going home up 2-0 would have made it a much more interesting series. Still probably would have lost in 7.

As I recall, in the subsequent 3 games, the Sixers were always in the games, but really they weren't. It was like LA had a continual 8-point lead, so it always felt like we were a short run away from winning, but LA just always kept them at arm's length.

Games 3, 4 and 5 you hoped they could find a way but we all knew it wasn't happening. The Tyron Liu step over was the highlight of the series a lot like the Cliff Lee yawn catch against the Yankees was for 09.

 

[Abraham]

That's a pretty good list. If you tell me that Vince, McGrath, rodman and miller as the first four out seems right as well.

I think Parish maybe belongs but not sure who to bump.

And let's settle down on the Curry love. Yes, he is an amazing player and won an MVP and a title, but he needs a few more of these 24/7/4 seasons to be one of the 50 best players of all time. We seem pretty agreeable to TMac not being in and miller not being in and from a stat by stat comparison, curry doesn't exactly stand out just yet. One of the three best players in the world right now? Absolutely (Lebron, Kobe). Top 50 all time? Let's give it a bit.

 

[Instinctive]

That's a pretty good list. If you tell me that Vince, McGrath, rodman and miller as the first four out seems right as well.

I think Parish maybe belongs but not sure who to bump.

And let's settle down on the Curry love. Yes, he is an amazing player and won an MVP and a title, but he needs a few more of these 24/7/4 seasons to be one of the 50 best players of all time. We seem pretty agreeable to TMac not being in and miller not being in and from a stat by stat comparison, curry doesn't exactly stand out just yet. One of the three best players in the world right now? Absolutely (Lebron, Kobe). Top 50 all time? Let's give it a bit.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Almost everything about the Philadelphia 76ers has been embarrassing over the past two seasons, so why shouldnt the TV ratings fall under that umbrella, too?

According to a recent Inquirer report, the Sixers averaged only 23,000 viewers during their miserable 18-win season in 2014-15. Keep in mind Philadelphia is the nations fourth-largest market with roughly 2.96 million homes featuring TV sets.

Those numbers are embarrassing, former CBS Sports president turned media consultant Neal Pilson told the Inquirers Bob Fernandez, no question about it.

23,000?

#assests

I wonder if me and SWC could buy some ad time for Sixers basketball? Has to be pretty cheap.

 

[the moops]

There is certainly an argument that Kobe is the 2nd best all time player currently playing. He is playing like ####, and his career is likely close to over, and many would take Duncan instead of him, but he is still Kobe ####### Bryant

 

[Cliff Clavin]

There is certainly an argument that Kobe is the 2nd best all time player currently playing. He is playing like ####, and his career is likely close to over, and many would take Duncan instead of him, but he is still Kobe ####### Bryant

Just like there is an argument for Martin/Scola for Durant, there is an argument that Kobe > Duncan.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Magic traded for that guy who led UCONN to the title a few years ago.

Jake Voskuhl?

lol

 

[Instinctive]

There is certainly an argument that Kobe is the 2nd best all time player currently playing. He is playing like ####, and his career is likely close to over, and many would take Duncan instead of him, but he is still Kobe ####### Bryant

I'd buy that argument, but it wasn't being made. I'm sure Abe is just joking, but he said one of the three best players in the world right now. Which is why I actually lol'd.

And all the people who would take Kobe before Duncan are simply wrong. I've actually tracked this before (it may be in this thread even), but if you do a "championship belt" style look at their careers, from the moment both were in the league at once, there's like 1-2 years where you can say Kobe was better than Duncan.

 

[Mario Kart]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Milwaukee was very good that year.

Sixers were interesting that year. They came out on flying with a more run and gun style featuring Ratliff. Then they stopped mid-season and decided that they needed to be more of a slowdown "playoff" team in order to make a run and made the switch to Dikembe.

Obviously not the most talented team ever, but winning game 1 of the NBA finals that year was the absolute best thing I've experienced as a Sixers' fan. Sad that it is only 1 game, but it was still fantastic.

Milwaukee was cheated out of that series. The NBA fix was in to have Philadelphia go to the finals. Bunch of cheaters.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm really excited for us to dive back into the Kobe debates after Abe made a joke.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

With the exception of the year he was traded midseason, Ray Allen led his team in either Win Shares or PER every year from 1998 to 2007. On paper, he was the best player on his own team for about a decade.

But was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team outside of the decade that spanned his prime?

Fair question. During Ray Allen's age 32-38 seasons that he spent on teams with multiple other HOFers, he was never the best player on his own team.So much is made of Ray Allen the 3PT shooter, it's forgotten what a great all-around player he was in his prime. He was as good at initiating the offense from the two as anybody. Much better defender than remembered, too.

For my own history with the game, Ray Allen is an excellent reminder of BPA v. Team Need. In that draft, I was all for it when the Wolves traded up out of Ray Allen's spot to take Stephon Marbury. The team really needed a PG who could attack the basket and open things up for Gugliotta and Garnett. Didn't matter to me at all that Allen was the more complete and mature player. He played the wrong position. Team needed a PG.

 

[Kev4029]

That's a pretty good list. If you tell me that Vince, McGrath, rodman and miller as the first four out seems right as well.

I think Parish maybe belongs but not sure who to bump.

And let's settle down on the Curry love. Yes, he is an amazing player and won an MVP and a title, but he needs a few more of these 24/7/4 seasons to be one of the 50 best players of all time. We seem pretty agreeable to TMac not being in and miller not being in and from a stat by stat comparison, curry doesn't exactly stand out just yet. One of the three best players in the world right now? Absolutely (Lebron, Kobe). Top 50 all time? Let's give it a bit.

Totally agree, he is 6 years into his career and is one ankle injury away from sitting in a suit at the end of the bench for the next 12 months.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I'm really excited for us to dive back into the Kobe debates after Abe made a joke.

It's like typing in the numbers on LOST. If we don't argue about Kobe once a month, #### implodes.

 

[GOB]

Delly back to Cleveland.

Lock it up, boys. Season is over.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Gilbert Arenas banned from county fair after winning all the prizes

"We just got banned from all the basketball hoops at #orangecountyfair…every one screamed #theRimsarebent I screamed #hibachi"

Don't ever change, Gilbert.

Don't. Ever. Change.

 

[SWC]

Almost everything about the Philadelphia 76ers has been embarrassing over the past two seasons, so why shouldnt the TV ratings fall under that umbrella, too?

According to a recent Inquirer report, the Sixers averaged only 23,000 viewers during their miserable 18-win season in 2014-15. Keep in mind Philadelphia is the nations fourth-largest market with roughly 2.96 million homes featuring TV sets.

Those numbers are embarrassing, former CBS Sports president turned media consultant Neal Pilson told the Inquirers Bob Fernandez, no question about it.

23,000?

#assests

I wonder if me and SWC could buy some ad time for Sixers basketball? Has to be pretty cheap.

we could advertise about how bad kobme sucks people would be like well it does not really apply to either milwaukee or philly but you know what i am good with it because he does suck thanks for calling our attention to it brohans

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

 

[SWC]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

try top one brohan

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

Voshuhl is in my "first 100 out" list, but I think we're in agreement on the Khalid El-Amin issue.

 

[GOB]

Gilbert Arenas banned from county fair after winning all the prizes

"We just got banned from all the basketball hoops at #orangecountyfairevery one screamed #theRimsarebent I screamed #hibachi"

Don't ever change, Gilbert.

Don't. Ever. Change.

That pic of all of his prizes is awesome.#hibachi

 

[Gr00vus]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

Marques Johnson was my second favorite player from that period behind Jamal "Silk" Wilkes. And those Bucks were really good teams.

yes they were do not forget bob lanier back then to and nothing beat going to see them at mecca you would park under the old park east and walk in good times and it was a big dry spell between them and the team with big dog ray and cassell that should have beat iverson and the sixers and gone to the finals but did not take that to the bank

Don't forget Brian Winters. A true double threat, he could both shoot the lights out and undetectably impersonate Michael McDonald.

 

[Abraham]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

Voshuhl is in my "first 100 out" list, but I think we're in agreement on the Khalid El-Amin issue.

I played Jake in high school. He was lanky and uncoordinated, but he was 7 feet tall. Maybe interesting to some of you: his teammates were Calvin Murphy Jr. and a wing named Michael Leblanc. Calvin was going to Niagra. Jim Calhoun was all up in Leblanc's #### "you'll be right behind Ray ALlen and take over when he goes Pro!" It was a thing in Houston, how hard UCONN was on Leblanc. But of course they never wanted him. It was, "you know what, to make you comfortable we'll even offer a scholarship to your teammate Jake!" Both go to UCONN. They wanted the 7 footer all along. Leblanc never made an impact.

 

[5Rings]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Great job on the list.

Nitpicking: I would put Bernard King back in over Dennis Johnson, Ray Allen, and Chris Paul. The homer in me wants to add Chris Mullin too.

 

[SWC]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

Marques Johnson was my second favorite player from that period behind Jamal "Silk" Wilkes. And those Bucks were really good teams.

yes they were do not forget bob lanier back then to and nothing beat going to see them at mecca you would park under the old park east and walk in good times and it was a big dry spell between them and the team with big dog ray and cassell that should have beat iverson and the sixers and gone to the finals but did not take that to the bank

Don't forget Brian Winters. A true double threat, he could both shoot the lights out and undetectably impersonate Michael McDonald.

there is some thin on the internet where a guy impersonetes him and sings tricken it to the treats instead of takin it to the streets and it is awesome brohans google that one up and never hear that song the same way again take that to the bank

 

[sports_fan]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

 

[SWC]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

i almost said that to but rodman led the league seven times wilt did eleven rodmans highest season rbg number was was eighteen point seven and wilts was a ridiculous twenty seven point two now of course wilt was just literally bigger faster stronger than everyone else in the leauge when he played and rodman did more with less physically but i still think you have to say wilt bromigo

 

[sports_fan]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

i almost said that to but rodman led the league seven times wilt did eleven rodmans highest season rbg number was was eighteen point seven and wilts was a ridiculous twenty seven point two now of course wilt was just literally bigger faster stronger than everyone else in the leauge when he played and rodman did more with less physically but i still think you have to say wilt bromigo

Rodman grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds. There were just more rebounds available when Wilt played due to faster pace and more missed shots.

Here's a good article that compares the two.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-14-c-rodman-v-ancient-history/

 

[SWC]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

i almost said that to but rodman led the league seven times wilt did eleven rodmans highest season rbg number was was eighteen point seven and wilts was a ridiculous twenty seven point two now of course wilt was just literally bigger faster stronger than everyone else in the leauge when he played and rodman did more with less physically but i still think you have to say wilt bromigo

Rodman grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds. There were just more rebounds available when Wilt played due to faster pace and more missed shots.

Here's a good article that compares the two.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-14-c-rodman-v-ancient-history/

all right brohan i will read that and gain some knowledge i appreciate it because like i said i wanted to say rodman because i loved his game and drive i mean he was just fun to watch even when those pistons were beating the bangos so i thank you take that to the bank

 

[nirad3]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

He did have some pretty sweet mid-late 90's hair.

 

[sports_fan]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

i almost said that to but rodman led the league seven times wilt did eleven rodmans highest season rbg number was was eighteen point seven and wilts was a ridiculous twenty seven point two now of course wilt was just literally bigger faster stronger than everyone else in the leauge when he played and rodman did more with less physically but i still think you have to say wilt bromigo

Rodman grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds. There were just more rebounds available when Wilt played due to faster pace and more missed shots.

Here's a good article that compares the two.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-14-c-rodman-v-ancient-history/

all right brohan i will read that and gain some knowledge i appreciate it because like i said i wanted to say rodman because i loved his game and drive i mean he was just fun to watch even when those pistons were beating the bangos so i thank you take that to the bank

It's a pretty long article series. Definitely worth reading though.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/

 

[Routilla]

Spurs!

 

[Frostillicus]

My link

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Would a team of players all 35 or older be a title contender?

ETA: when I typed out this question, in my head I was thinking "35 or older by the 2016 playoffs". As you continue reading down the page, you will see why I regret not making that clarification.

 

[sports_fan]

Would a team of players all 35 or older be a title contender?

No

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

 

[sports_fan]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

 

[SoBeDad]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Great job on the list.

Nitpicking: I would put Bernard King back in over Dennis Johnson, Ray Allen, and Chris Paul. The homer in me wants to add Chris Mullin too.

Cowens doesn't seem like a top 50 player. Elvin Hayes and perhaps McAdoo were better. Or pick a player at another position.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

Korver will be 35 by next year's playoffs, but if that's not good enough for you in this VERY SERIOUS exercise, put in Matt Barnes or Vince Carter.What the oldest age cutoff be? Could it be done without going all the way down to 31 (LeBron's age during next year's playoffs)?

 

[sports_fan]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

Korver will be 35 by next year's playoffs, but if that's not good enough for you in this VERY SERIOUS exercise, put in Matt Barnes or Vince Carter.What the oldest age cutoff be? Could it be done without going all the way down to 31 (LeBron's age during next year's playoffs)?

If they only need to be 35 by the playoffs then put Yao Ming on the team.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Voskuhl is Top 50 all-time.

He's no Travis Knight.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Great job on the list.Nitpicking: I would put Bernard King back in over Dennis Johnson, Ray Allen, and Chris Paul. The homer in me wants to add Chris Mullin too.

Cowens doesn't seem like a top 50 player. Elvin Hayes and perhaps McAdoo were better. Or pick a player at another position.

His source material is the Pyramid section of The Book Of Basketball by Bill Simmons. He gave a few powerups to his favorite Lakers and adjusted for events that took place after the book was published, but Cowens is so high because he was the Celtics' franchise player when Simmons first started following the Celtics closely.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Gilbert Arenas banned from county fair after winning all the prizes

"We just got banned from all the basketball hoops at #orangecountyfairevery one screamed #theRimsarebent I screamed #hibachi"

Don't ever change, Gilbert.

Don't. Ever. Change.

That pic of all of his prizes is awesome.#hibachi

An Orange County Fair rep says Arenas wasn't banned, but did win the posted maximum prizes for the day and was ineligible to win more. He's welcome to try his luck another day.If I'm in a yearbook in the next 12 months, my quote will certainly be "Everyone screamed 'the rims are bent' I screamed 'HIBATCHI'!"

 

[matuski]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

Korver will be 35 by next year's playoffs, but if that's not good enough for you in this VERY SERIOUS exercise, put in Matt Barnes or Vince Carter.What the oldest age cutoff be? Could it be done without going all the way down to 31 (LeBron's age during next year's playoffs)?

Ray Allen

 

[the moops]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

Korver will be 35 by next year's playoffs, but if that's not good enough for you in this VERY SERIOUS exercise, put in Matt Barnes or Vince Carter.What the oldest age cutoff be? Could it be done without going all the way down to 31 (LeBron's age during next year's playoffs)?

Ray Allen

Pfft. That guy was only the best player on his team for like 10 years. He is garbage, and now 40 years old

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

And all the people who would take Kobe before Duncan are simply wrong. I've actually tracked this before (it may be in this thread even), but if you do a "championship belt" style look at their careers, from the moment both were in the league at once, there's like 1-2 years where you can say Kobe was better than Duncan.

Before you S your own D too hard over this... back in 2009/2010 when the NBA thread regulars were sorting out Player of the Decade and All-Decade Teams, we walked through the decade almost exactly the way you're praising yourself for here in work done years later. And unlike yours, we had the correct number of titles Kobe had won in the year-by-year tracking. (Overall, not a big deal, but it stood out because you went ##### when called on it, telling others they were reading it wrong, implying the issue was a lack of intelligence on the readers' end, unable to admit the problem was that you added a number to the count a year too early. If you wonder why I give you so much crap, it's because incidents like those aren't isolated.)

 

[SWC]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

Rodman was a better rebounder than Wilt

i almost said that to but rodman led the league seven times wilt did eleven rodmans highest season rbg number was was eighteen point seven and wilts was a ridiculous twenty seven point two now of course wilt was just literally bigger faster stronger than everyone else in the leauge when he played and rodman did more with less physically but i still think you have to say wilt bromigo

Rodman grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds. There were just more rebounds available when Wilt played due to faster pace and more missed shots.

Here's a good article that compares the two.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-14-c-rodman-v-ancient-history/

all right brohan i will read that and gain some knowledge i appreciate it because like i said i wanted to say rodman because i loved his game and drive i mean he was just fun to watch even when those pistons were beating the bangos so i thank you take that to the bank

It's a pretty long article series. Definitely worth reading though.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/

hey these were good articles bromigo truth is the math is way over my head but i get it that rodman did more in less time on the court with less chances to get rebounds stats wise but i guess the beauty or problem whichever way you look at is that it is really hard to compare players across generations that did not play against eachother all i know is that it would be a hell of a fun thing to watch rodman and wilt square off in their primes and see who came out ahead brohan take that to the bank

 

[matuski]

The bigs would be Duncan and Dirk, with Pau Gasol, David West, and Kevin Garnett as reserves.

SF minutes split by Kyle Korver and Paul Pierce.

Backcourt is where it gets tough. SG pool is Kobe, Ginobili, Crawford. Only 35+ PGs I can think of are Hinrich and Steve Blake.

So not a title contender, but would be the 3-seed in the East.

Korver is 34. I don't see that team getting past the 1st round. You'd have a hell of a time trying to keep them healthy or getting big minutes from any of them.

Korver will be 35 by next year's playoffs, but if that's not good enough for you in this VERY SERIOUS exercise, put in Matt Barnes or Vince Carter.What the oldest age cutoff be? Could it be done without going all the way down to 31 (LeBron's age during next year's playoffs)?

Ray Allen

Pfft. That guy was only the best player on his team for like 10 years. He is garbage, and now 40 years old

Agreed.. not top 50 all time as a player, and edging out the likes of Glenn Robinson and Rashard Lewis for the title of "best player on your team" isn't all that impressive.. But would help that old team.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Ball Don't Lie is running a series of NBA all-time Starting Fives. 1 Center, 2 Forwards, 2 Guards, individual merits only, no concern for cohesiveness. So basically how the All-NBA teams used to be picked.

They are running the series from oldest franchise to newest. So far they have published their Warriors and Celtics picks.

WARRIORS: Wilt Chamberlain, Chris Mullin, Rick Barry, Latrell Sprewell, Stephen Curry

BDL said they included the Warriors' Philadelphia history when choosing the lineup, which explains why Wilt made it ahead of Nate Thurmond. Would have liked to see Joe Fulks worked in there somehow.

CELTICS: Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Larry Bird, Sam Jones, Bob Cousy

The Celtics' second unit, and probably their third team, will be better than a lot of other franchises' Starting Fives. Cowens, McHale, Pierce, Jo Jo, and DJ might even be a playoff team in this league.

 

[SWC]

the bucks are going to have a sneakily good all time five brohans take that to the bank

 

[Gr00vus]

the bucks are going to have a sneakily good all time five brohans take that to the bank

Imagine how much better it could have been if they'd held on to Nowitzki. Kareem, Oscar, Moncrief/Allen, Marques, Nowitzki - that would have been a pretty good starting 5.