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Footballguy
Donkey Derp
Footballguy
5dimes opens GS -2.5 game 4 and still has GS as slight favorites (-120) to win the series 
metoo
Footballguy
I just assume she likes every team.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Not every team. Just the ones that are exciting to watch, & if my Spurs and Heat and now Cavs are out of the playoffs. But no Clips because I can't stand Griffin so therefore I can't stand that team no matter how exciting to watch. I'm sure there's more, but you get my logic by now..
Bucky86
Footballguy
Not every team. Just the ones that are exciting to watch, & if my Spurs and Heat and now Cavs are out of the playoffs. But no Clips because I can't stand Griffin so therefore I can't stand that team no matter how exciting to watch. I'm sure there's more, but you get my logic by now..
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Foregone conclusion
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Warriors in 5
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Oh and let me add, if Wade leaves Miami, I'll have to consider rooting for the team he'll be on as well...Not every team. Just the ones that are exciting to watch, & if my Spurs and Heat and now Cavs are out of the playoffs. But no Clips because I can't stand Griffin so therefore I can't stand that team no matter how exciting to watch. I'm sure there's more, but you get my logic by now..
Donkey Derp
Footballguy
Goat status is
.But if Lebron pulls this off will be like getting two rings. Put him on the Shaq, Kobe and Duncan tier. Still a long way to go.
Donkey Derp
Footballguy
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trader jake
Footballguy
Oof, that's a full paragraph of "yeah, but", just give the guy credit. He's playing a games where Cleveland selected him first and Golden State got the next eight picks.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think it's all been said already, but Lebron has earned respect from haters this series.
I've knocked him a ton in the past, but to call him anything but All-World in this series is foolish. It's unreal that the Cavs are ahead. Mozgov, Delly, Shumpert, Smith, Thompson
that isn't the core of a championship team. What Lebron is doing, he could (not saying he will, but it is looking much more likely) basically win this series with any 4 professional players you stick on the court.
I've knocked him a ton in the past, but to call him anything but All-World in this series is foolish. It's unreal that the Cavs are ahead. Mozgov, Delly, Shumpert, Smith, Thompson
that isn't the core of a championship team. What Lebron is doing, he could (not saying he will, but it is looking much more likely) basically win this series with any 4 professional players you stick on the court.
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Abraham
Footballguy
I've never seen someone do what he is doing. The point above is great : it's like Cleveland got the first pick at the schoolyard and the Warriors got the next 8.
Everybody needs to chill about Draymond. He played bad last night. Game 2 his blocks on James were all anyone could talk about aside from lebron.
Everybody needs to chill about Draymond. He played bad last night. Game 2 his blocks on James were all anyone could talk about aside from lebron.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Also the refs are absolutely awful, just terrible.
It goes both ways, but wow they suck.
It goes both ways, but wow they suck.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
When people complain about superstars getting the calls, they don't even acknowledge that those superstars have the elite skills and body control to make it happen. The Draymond drives straight into Mozgov are a perfect example. He's got all the space in the world but can only drive and jump straight into him. A superstar would have made the big guy move laterally at some point to get him more prone to a foul.
Notorious T.R.E.
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"His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree 100%."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field.
Capella
Footballguy
Those people would be wrong. He is being murdered every time down the court and he is truly their only average offensive weapon. GS doesn't have to be worried about anyone else.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Where have you been the last 10 years?Those people would be wrong. He is being murdered every time down the court and he is truly their only average offensive weapon. GS doesn't have to be worried about anyone else.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
Those people would simply point out that when Mozgov and Jones take shots, the result is a make 50% of the time, while a LeBron shot results in a make 40% of the time.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
I can't see Cleveland keeping this up. LeBron averaging 48 minutes a game? But if they sit him they don't have anyone who can score (other than maybe Smith...and is he the guy you want to rely on for your offense in the finals for more than 2 minutes a game? Or rely on for anything?)5dimes opens GS -2.5 game 4 and still has GS as slight favorites (-120) to win the series
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Two good posts here. Surprised the Green meltdown during the playoffs isn't getting more run in the media, although I guess it's understandable considering the ready-made narratives in this series.
Look at this. Consider the game situation. Consider the fact that Green shot 41% on wide-open threes for the season, and he's as wide open as you can get and in his preferred spot. How the hell do you not pull the trigger? The possession ended with Green driving at Mozgov and missing a difficult shot, an offensive board, and a Curry turnover, which was followed by the LBJ three to make it a seven point lead. Just a disastrous inexplicable decision. Something's in his head, and I kind of think the series might depend on whether he gets over it.
Kev4029
Footballguy
There is a difference between Kobe going 1 on 2 and shooting a contested 21 foot jumper and Lebron backing his man in and missing a shot in the paint. The Warriors have the best set of defenders in the NBA to cover Lebron, so they aren't helping a whole lot on his isolations so there aren't a lot of open passing lanes.Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
When your 2nd best player is... Matthew Deladedova? Tristan Thompson? Iman Shumpert? And you're somehow up 2-1 on a team with a historically great record. It's tough to argue against the strategy.Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
I think it's because if the Cavs win it's the most undermanned team to win a championship since the Rockets before Drexler if not earlier. So it's kind of hard to pick at them.
If they lose the next 3 they've already done way more than I'd have expected them to do without Irving and Love.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I believe LeBron has a pretty good idea of what he is doing out there and that when a guy is open, LeBron will get him the ball. He has done that for years and amazingly, has caught flak for it. He has changed his game this series based on what the #1 defensive team in the league is doing and the fact that he's missing the 3rd and 4th best players on his team (2 all-stars).Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
If he consistently played like this and was never trying to hit an open guy, I'd absolutely be ripping him for it (I know your comments are directed my way)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He's still nearly averaging a triple double and had 3 blocks last night. It's not like he has Shaquille and Gasol out there with him, or even Fisher.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Statistically, there is no difference. A miss is a miss.There is a difference between Kobe going 1 on 2 and shooting a contested 21 foot jumper and Lebron backing his man in and missing a shot in the paint. The Warriors have the best set of defenders in the NBA to cover Lebron, so they aren't helping a whole lot on his isolations so there aren't a lot of open passing lanes.Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
From a strategic standpoint, assuming both shots will be missed, the Kobe shot is a better miss, as it will lead to offensive rebounds on a far higher percentage than LeBron's miss.
Jack White
Footballguy
Well, anything is possible.
Have you heard Mark Jackson talk?
He was a head coach for three years.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I don't think anybody is saying that. The point that is being made is that you can't strictly use the numbers you want and say "nobody has ever played this well before!"."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
I agree nobody has ever played like this before, but I certainly disagree that it is the greatest three game stretch ever played.
It is a brilliant strategy, don't get me wrong. To have Lebron fire up 38 shots and only make 11 doesn't get a win in GS because Lebron played awesome. Those are pretty poor numbers actually, but were absolutely the right play. If Thompson doesn't get a pile of offensive boards, and the team doesn't play lock down defense, that offensive strategy and that game look terrible.
They knew they could do those two things though, so having Lebron shorten the game by dribbling it down to 7 seconds on seemingly every possession frustrated the heck out of GS. Having Lebron do that and then have Thompson get the board and have Lebron do it again and then nail it is such a punch in the gut.
For Lebron to do what he is doing is a testament to him being a great player. To be honest, his turnover numbers might be the most impressive stats of this series so far. I mean the guy has had the ball for like 97% of every game and only turns it over 3-4 times. That is pretty impressive.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Lebrons miss takes time off the clock and slows the game down, taking away one of the Warriors' strengths.Statistically, there is no difference. A miss is a miss. From a strategic standpoint, assuming both shots will be missed, the Kobe shot is a better miss, as it will lead to offensive rebounds on a far higher percentage than LeBron's miss.There is a difference between Kobe going 1 on 2 and shooting a contested 21 foot jumper and Lebron backing his man in and missing a shot in the paint. The Warriors have the best set of defenders in the NBA to cover Lebron, so they aren't helping a whole lot on his isolations so there aren't a lot of open passing lanes.Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
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Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Its so obvious why Lebron had to change his game, so clearly Gunz is fishing.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
There's a number of reasons he's shooting with this kind of volume but the biggest one is that he's being given little choice by the Warriors, who are refusing to leave the shooters to double him. It's a conscious choice based on LeBron's vision and passing ... and by the way it's mostly working. The Cavs have been piss poor on offense. They're winning because they've been otherworldly on defense, not because the iso has resulted in efficient offense. Also I think it has actually helped them a little on the defensive end- they've slowed the pace and been able to eliminate some of Golden State's transition game with the isos because a couple of guys are always cheating back on D.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Not you alone, but you're certainly a guilty party.I believe LeBron has a pretty good idea of what he is doing out there and that when a guy is open, LeBron will get him the ball. He has done that for years and amazingly, has caught flak for it. He has changed his game this series based on what the #1 defensive team in the league is doing and the fact that he's missing the 3rd and 4th best players on his team (2 all-stars).Is changing his game offensively to take more shots and pass less a good strategy when the results are that he shoots a worse percentage than others he could be passing to?This is a rather atypical performance by LeBron. We know that he is a very willing passer and will definitely get the ball to the open man (unlike your typical chuckers) but he is having to change his game for his team to have a chance.I agree 100%.But let's be honest here, if other superstars were shooting 40% from the field over the 1st 3 games, there would be plenty of posters in here claiming that MozGov and Jones should be getting more shots than they are currently getting since they're shooting 50% from the field."His usage rate is ridiculous"
Yes, let's have James Jones taking the ball more instead.
If he consistently played like this and was never trying to hit an open guy, I'd absolutely be ripping him for it (I know your comments are directed my way)
"If he consistently played like this, I'd be ripping him" - why? Do you think he should be passing through ball more, to guys who are shooting a higher percentage than he is (Mozgov and Jones)?
at the title.
