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Tipping Etiquette (1 Viewer)
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dparker713
Footballguy
Never understood why a delivery guy should get a smaller tip. They're generally doing more work than a waiter.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Yeah I go twenty on delivery tips too. It's so easy to do the 20% math in your head too. Take 10% (move the decimal) and double it. That's it. Why the need to analyze and calculate the service to figure out exactly what the dude earned?
Bogeys
Footballguy
He earned whatever his employer is paying him, the rest is up to me to analyze and calculate. Used to be 10%, then 15%, now it is a minimum of 20% just for doing your job. And I am supposed to be ashamed if I think I had mediocre service and only give 15%?
This tipping crap is just getting out of hand in the US, just raise the prices and pay a decent wage and everyone is happier.
butcher boy
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded, but it is what it is. Tipping 20% is pretty easy and I have other things to worry about. You look like a tool sitting there with the bill in your hand thinking what to tip.
Bogeys
Footballguy
Or the math isn't that hard so the 2 seconds it takes me to figure out what I am going to tip doesn't give me time to look like a tool.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
True, I never saw a waiter slip and fall on an icy porch step while not dropping the pizza. I doubled the money I was planning on tipping him.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I'll tip 15 percent to the penny for neglectful service. Otherwise they'll get over 20 percent. I've never encountered rude/hostile service yet so I'm not sure how I would react to it.
honky kong
Footballguy
I can't understand why, if we're going to have a system as stupid as tipping, it is based on the bill. If I get a hamburger and three refills of tea, is that waiter not working as hard as the guy bringing me a steak and two beers? According to the bill, he isn't. Dumb.
sublimeone
Footballguy
I figure delivering 3 pizzas does not require much additional effort over 1 pizza. So 10 bucks seems like a pretty good tip for delivering pizza.dparker713 said:
sublimeone
Footballguy
no, but I heard him talking in a foreign language which was a little bit alarming.Josie Maran said:
17seconds
root of all aliai
Since when does working hard determine how much you earn?
If there's any one factor which determines how much you earn it is your level of responsibility. A waiter serving a more expensive meal has more responsibility for revenue than the guy serving the cheap meal.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Yeah. It's no wonder he's still living with his parents still suckling from mom's ###.
rikishiboy
Footballguy
One huge benefit being in japan.....no tipping.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
And you can buy used schoolgirls' panties from a vending machine amiright?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
WIfe and I dont dine out much locally, but the times we have gone to nice restaurants the service has been excellent. At some of these places you actually have two people waiting on you. It is not about workload, It is about making sure that your experience was good enough that you will return to pay 50 bucks a plate.
rikishiboy
Footballguy
WIfe and I dont dine out much locally, but the times we have gone to nice restaurants the service has been excellent. At some of these places you actually have two people waiting on you. It is not about workload, It is about making sure that your experience was good enough that you will return to pay 50 bucks a plate.
rikishiboy
Footballguy
rikishiboy
Footballguy
Then he should be paid more by his employer not the customer.
honky kong
Footballguy
The scenario I listed can happen in the same restaurant to the same waiter. The only difference is the cost of the food he is carrying.
WIfe and I dont dine out much locally, but the times we have gone to nice restaurants the service has been excellent. At some of these places you actually have two people waiting on you. It is not about workload, It is about making sure that your experience was good enough that you will return to pay 50 bucks a plate.
rikishiboy
Footballguy
I agree with honkey, tipping based on the bill is stupid, but i am of the opinion tipping is stupid,but unfortunately necessary in america. Things would make more sense if the waiters and waitresses got paid like real people to begin with. I would even bet that most restaurants (mid range) would do better businessss long ad they dDon't jack up their prices.
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Hilts
Footballguy
Tonight I left a small tip. The service was simply terrible. He was prompt taking our initial order. After that he was inexcusably awful. This is a restaurant I go to semi-regularly, so I'm familiar with how things operate there. They were somewhat busy but they had lots of servers. After he brought us the food, he just dropped it and wandered off to go chat with the bartender without asking if we needed anything (my friend did). We saw him once during the meal. He quickly walked past, asked if everything was alright, and kept walking without ever slowing down or waiting for an answer. Had he waited for an answer for even a moment (or even looked in our direction), my friend would have ordered another beer (my friend had actually started to order the beer when he walked past and asked, before realizing he was speaking to nothing). I would have also made a request. Instead...nothing. While he didn't screw up our order (he screwed up an order at the table on both sides of us), I expect more than that from a server. He kept chatting with the bartender. I really hope he was drunk, on something, or simply having a really bad day. If he wasn't, he needs to find a new line of work.
When the bill came I feared if I left nothing I would be mistaken for being a cheap jerk. Instead I left a penny. I remembered my grandma telling me when she was younger, if a person left no tip folks thought they were cheap, but a penny tip gave a clear message of 'your service was utter garbage'. As I was walking out the restaurant the server yelled at me "Why would you do this?" for the entire restaurant to hear. I stopped, turned, and calmly told him his service was terrible. He apparently didn't hear me and whined 'what?'. I repeated myself, and was kind of hoping he would continue to escalate things as most folks in the establishment were now staring at us. Instead he said "Have a nice night." and we walked out the door.
I probably could have tossed him a couple bucks and just been thought cheap, but I just didn't feel like rewarding a crap job. I've tipped very well when folks do a great job. When they do a terrible job I'll swing to the other extreme.
When the bill came I feared if I left nothing I would be mistaken for being a cheap jerk. Instead I left a penny. I remembered my grandma telling me when she was younger, if a person left no tip folks thought they were cheap, but a penny tip gave a clear message of 'your service was utter garbage'. As I was walking out the restaurant the server yelled at me "Why would you do this?" for the entire restaurant to hear. I stopped, turned, and calmly told him his service was terrible. He apparently didn't hear me and whined 'what?'. I repeated myself, and was kind of hoping he would continue to escalate things as most folks in the establishment were now staring at us. Instead he said "Have a nice night." and we walked out the door.
I probably could have tossed him a couple bucks and just been thought cheap, but I just didn't feel like rewarding a crap job. I've tipped very well when folks do a great job. When they do a terrible job I'll swing to the other extreme.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Depends. Might make the wage less since now all tips (which are now just additions rather than tips) would be taxed, hence, less money.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I agree tipping should be done away with, but obviously at this time you have to tip until the system changes (if ever).
I also don't tip based on a percent, however, I will never tip less than 15%, and can only think of maybe a couple times EVER where I did that which was directly related to horrific service. And what I mean is, I do not have a set percentage I tip. Several factors influence the tip.
Price. If I sit down for a breakfast or lunch special with my wife or something and the total bill is like 10 bucks, there is no way I am tipping a buck-50. Probably more like 5 bucks, so I guess 50% in that case, maybe even a bit more.
As a general rule for me, the higher the bill goes, the lower the tip percentage goes, but it's not like it is a terribly drastic decrease. Maybe 50% on a 10 dollar bill, and 15-20% on a 100 dollar bill, and somewhere in the middle of all that for bills between 10-100.
Then of course good service/bad service will influence things a bit.
Some people mentioned bad food. Well, to me, that has nothing to do with the waiter or waitress in a lot of cases, unless they take your order wrong and bring out the wrong stuff. I have had times where the cooks were clearly messing things up, and I am not going to give the server less of a tip when that is the case, assuming they take care of the situation appropriately.
Then there is the one place we go that I would consider our regular place. We go there maybe 2-3 times a week for various meals. After getting slightly chummy with some of the waitresses and beer-pouring-girls, and several higher percentage tips, we have continually received A-1 service every time we go there to there point where when their is a beer poured for some other customer by mistake, that mistake-beer manages to find it's way over to our table free of charge. This happens on average once each time I go there, and sometimes I kinda think they just did it on purpose for us (yayyy us for being good tippers).
I definitely tip more at the places I go to much more often. Seems to work out
I also don't tip based on a percent, however, I will never tip less than 15%, and can only think of maybe a couple times EVER where I did that which was directly related to horrific service. And what I mean is, I do not have a set percentage I tip. Several factors influence the tip.
Price. If I sit down for a breakfast or lunch special with my wife or something and the total bill is like 10 bucks, there is no way I am tipping a buck-50. Probably more like 5 bucks, so I guess 50% in that case, maybe even a bit more.
As a general rule for me, the higher the bill goes, the lower the tip percentage goes, but it's not like it is a terribly drastic decrease. Maybe 50% on a 10 dollar bill, and 15-20% on a 100 dollar bill, and somewhere in the middle of all that for bills between 10-100.
Then of course good service/bad service will influence things a bit.
Some people mentioned bad food. Well, to me, that has nothing to do with the waiter or waitress in a lot of cases, unless they take your order wrong and bring out the wrong stuff. I have had times where the cooks were clearly messing things up, and I am not going to give the server less of a tip when that is the case, assuming they take care of the situation appropriately.
Then there is the one place we go that I would consider our regular place. We go there maybe 2-3 times a week for various meals. After getting slightly chummy with some of the waitresses and beer-pouring-girls, and several higher percentage tips, we have continually received A-1 service every time we go there to there point where when their is a beer poured for some other customer by mistake, that mistake-beer manages to find it's way over to our table free of charge. This happens on average once each time I go there, and sometimes I kinda think they just did it on purpose for us (yayyy us for being good tippers).
I definitely tip more at the places I go to much more often. Seems to work out
EYLive
Footballguy
The Japanese have always had it right in that regard. But it's a cultural thing and there's no place for logic if people are used to, and expect, free extra money for no reason.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Another issue...............that I am sure everyone has thought about and some likely mentioned that I just forget about.
I go to a decent place and the bill is like 60 bucks with "meh" service. Not bad or anything, just average.
I go to a cheaper end place and the bill is 20 bucks with excellent service.
Seems stupid to tip several dollars more just cause the food cost more. Then again, I guess that is just factored in to the fact you are going to a nice place, so expect to pay more
I go to a decent place and the bill is like 60 bucks with "meh" service. Not bad or anything, just average.
I go to a cheaper end place and the bill is 20 bucks with excellent service.
Seems stupid to tip several dollars more just cause the food cost more. Then again, I guess that is just factored in to the fact you are going to a nice place, so expect to pay more
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Insoxicated
This has been addressed Mutiple times in this thread.
Would you agree your expectation of service at chilis/Applebee's is different than your expectation of service at Ruth's Chris/Flemings/Mortons?
At the former, I'm happy if my food is right and they drop by once or twice quickly to be sure I don't need another drink. At the latter, I expect my meal to be perfect, i expect much more attentive service, I expect them to keep an eye on my drinks and for them to never get empty, I expect any issues to be immediately resolved, etc.
IMO the servers at a $50/plate restaurant have a much higher expected standard of care... And are assigned fewer tables (3-4) than someone at a casual chain place (5-7).
Mister Martie
Footballguy
You handled this better than I would have. Especially the last part where he called you out in front of the restaurant.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I thought about this thread this past Sunday as I had a similar experience to Hilts when the family hit Famous Dave's after my son's Fall Ball game.Mister Martie said:
The waitress started off well, took our drink orders promptly and was pleasant. After that, however, service grinded to a halt. We never got our Nachos, never got asked about drink refills, and she never even brought out our food. We asked the kid who brought our stuff out about refills on drinks and he said he send the waitress over. She never came.
Found out later that my son, while heading to the bathroom, saw her flirting with the bartender. Guess that was more important than her three neglicted tables.
Bill was $85 and change, I left $90, mostly because I didn't feel like waiting for the change.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Right, so the service better be very good. If it is "meh"......................then tipping 15-20% seems like enabling "meh" service at a place where you are paying good money for excellent service.[icon] said:
I don't make it a point to eat anywhere fancy or expensive cause frankly I dont care for that food SOOOO much more that I care to pay triple at a normal place, nor do I generally care all that much with less than perfect service, so I guess I dont have a huge amount of expensive dinner service to go off...............but If I am paying for it, it damn well better happen, otherwise..............well ####
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This is why I prefer counter service over wait staff now. Not only do I save 20% from not having to tip, but I've paid up front (so I can leave whenever I want) and I can fill up my drink as much as I want and as soon as I want.
Of course, there are those special occasions when we go to Olive Garden and I will tolerate the waiting.
Of course, there are those special occasions when we go to Olive Garden and I will tolerate the waiting.
massraider
Footballguy
"Pay a living wage, and do away with tipping" isn't realistic, and if people thought it through, they would realize it.
It has nothing to do with if the economics of it would work out or not. They probably would.
Ask yourself, are Americans getting MORE entitled, or LESS entitled? The service that most people expect, you get that when there is a tip hanging in the balance. Every thread like this, we get people complaining about service in, honestly, crap family restaurants.
You think that would improve or get worse with hourly paid servers?
It has nothing to do with if the economics of it would work out or not. They probably would.
Ask yourself, are Americans getting MORE entitled, or LESS entitled? The service that most people expect, you get that when there is a tip hanging in the balance. Every thread like this, we get people complaining about service in, honestly, crap family restaurants.
You think that would improve or get worse with hourly paid servers?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I'm not sure. I think servers already expect 15-20% no matter what they do. Look at Hilts' experience. Although, maybe that guy becomes more of the norm. One things for sure, if the tip is included in the prices on the menu and they go up 15-20%, less people will go to sit down casual restaurants.
EYLive
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
First rule of tripping etiquette is to not freak out if somebody gets naked.
massraider
Footballguy
I dunno, for the same reason management doesn't fire poor hourly workers in any other industry?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I would never want the current system of tipping to go away. Service would be awful.
EYLive
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Me too. And some will. But frankly, I think you are overestimating restaurant managers a wee bit here.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Yes, and I always feel a little weird when I decline. Then there's the valet parking. It costs $10-20 more than self parking, but you still have to tip. What's the extra 10-20 going toward?Or when you finish a round of golf and someone starts wiping down your clubs without being asked. Guess I have to hope I have a few singles to avoid the awkward moment they've created.
EYLive
Footballguy
That's fine. Consumers can speak with their dollars (and yelp I suppose). Higher wages, less business. It'll work itself out.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
So don't use the bell service. I almost never do unless I am checking in and my room isn't ready.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think a good server is a good server, and a bad server is a bad server, and it wouldnt change the experience for the patrons at all.
Servers will tell you, sometimes they go above and beyond and get a small tip. Sometimes they have bad days, do a poor job, and still get tipped well.
If a server sucks, there will be complaints, and they will be fired. Not like other people aren't there to take the job when available.
It will also do away with the inevitable irritablity factor throughout the day when you get a crap tip. People tend to remember and dwell on the one terrible tip of the night.
Basically, I dont think it would make service worse one tiny bit.
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the moops
Footballguy
Why do you think this? Other countries do this and the service is probably better than here in the states. And here in the US there are plenty of customer service gigs where the service is very good, and there is no tipping.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Other countries also have people that flee to america and do jobs that pay very little and are happy to be here so I don't think what happens in other countries means that much.
There are several reasons why I think service quality would go way down.
1. The fear of not getting a tip or getting a poor tip would go away. This doesn't make a big difference in a lot of scenarios, but in situations where the kitchen messes up or your order got screwed up somehow, a good server can make you feel much better about your evening.
2. The allure of the huge day brings in a higher quality of employee.
3. Bartenders would be less motivated to blast out the drinks.
4. Posted meal prices would increase if tipping was abolished. This would cause fewer people to eat out.Which would lead to lower wages for servers and therefore a lower quality of employee. Americans are notorious for viewing sticker prices incorrectly and not noticing hidden fees. It is why things get priced at 9.95 instead of 10. When people are asked what it costs they say 9 bucks. If you asked somebody how much their dinner was last night, they will likely respond with the amount of their meal, not the total with tax and tip. It is why so many industries have moved to hidden fees. Even though people dislike hidden fees, they dislike sticker shock even more.
Bartending is where I really think you would see the biggest difference. A smart bartender knows that if he can pour more drinks he will make more money. People don't want to wait. This is far more important to them than a bartender that provides great conversation.
