Titans move up for Leinart? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Supposing Bush goes first, then (every mock in the free world seems to have) it's Young and Leinart at #2 and #3.

Since Chow coached Leinart, do you think the Titans would trade up a spot to draft him? Is it just one heralded QB over another and "no big deal" or would they have to pay a handsome price to move from #2 to #3? Think its likely or no?

 

[motor guy]

I think the Saints would listen, if Tenn offered a 2nd rounder, or perhaps a third and fourth alternatively. N.O. traded their 2006 3rd rounder to Houston in order to move ahead of Carolina and grab J. Brown last year, so I assume they'd be interested in recovering some picks.

 

[kupcho1]

I think the Saints would listen, if Tenn offered a 2nd rounder, or perhaps a third and fourth alternatively. N.O. traded their 2006 3rd rounder to Houston in order to move ahead of Carolina and grab J. Brown last year, so I assume they'd be interested in recovering some picks.

That's insane. No way does should that even be contemplated.

 

[motor guy]

Not sure of the likelihood of the offer, I was just glancing at the pick value chart.

What did Cleveland give up to move up and take Winslow?

 

[ATW22]

Not sure of the likelihood of the offer, I was just glancing at the pick value chart.

What did Cleveland give up to move up and take Winslow?

a 2nd, and the Lions turned it into Kevin Jones

 

[Dave Baker]

Supposing Bush goes first, then (every mock in the free world seems to have) it's Young and Leinart at #2 and #3.

I've read several scouts report that Young's stock is dropping slightly and that he won't be picked in the top 5.But I guess your point is that it more likely that TEN tries to move up.

 

[cstu]

I think the Saints would listen, if Tenn offered a 2nd rounder, or perhaps a third and fourth alternatively. N.O. traded their 2006 3rd rounder to Houston in order to move ahead of Carolina and grab J. Brown last year, so I assume they'd be interested in recovering some picks.

That's insane. No way does should that even be contemplated.

Even if the Saints ultimately don't want him? That would be a free 2nd round pick.

 

[saintfool]

Not sure of the likelihood of the offer, I was just glancing at the pick value chart.

What did Cleveland give up to move up and take Winslow?

The key difference is the value that a franchise QB would have versus moving up to a TE. Also, moving from 6 to 7 is a difference maker.If Tenn wanted to move up to grab Leinart, it would show that they have no confidence in the QB prospects available to them at their draft position. It would indicate a huge need, IMO, suggesting that they are solely targetting Leinart. You lose leverage in such a case, consequently compensation is at a higher premium.

 

[Imedos]

I don't think Titans need to move up. If they don't like Young(not sure why that would be ...) then sit tight and take Ferguson.

I don't see what difference who the OC has coached before should make.

imo, Young going to the Titans is a much too perfect fit.

 

[Iron_Far]

Who even says Chow likes Leinart? Chow knows how pitiful Leinart's arm strength is...

 

[diesel7982]

Supposing Bush goes first, then (every mock in the free world seems to have) it's Young and Leinart at #2 and #3.

Since Chow coached Leinart, do you think the Titans would trade up a spot to draft him? Is it just one heralded QB over another and "no big deal" or would they have to pay a handsome price to move from #2 to #3? Think its likely or no?

Why would the Titans committ $50+ mil to a QB just because their OC, who might not even have a job after the 2006 season, coached him in college?

 

[softball]

Who even says Chow likes Leinart? Chow knows how pitiful Leinart's arm strength is...

Is this a joke? Pitiful arm strength? Please show me where anyone has said he has pitiful arm strength? The guy is a winner at the highest level that prepares you for pro ball.The guy w/ arm trouble is VY, and that low hip delivery. Go watch Aaron Brooks, then VY.

but VY IS a very good prospect. I'm only saying he is not as ready as Leinart.

The comments have become absurd.

Please God, move the draft to tomorrow!

 

[Spartans Rule]

If the Saints really want Leinart, and I think that they do, they won't consider moving down for anything but an absurd offer. When you're talking about a QB to build your franchise around, you don't just move down and say "Oh well, we'll take the next best guy".

 

[nygiants56]

Supposing Bush goes first, then (every mock in the free world seems to have) it's Young and Leinart at #2 and #3.

I've read several scouts report that Young's stock is dropping slightly and that he won't be picked in the top 5.But I guess your point is that it more likely that TEN tries to move up.

I think Tenn tries to get the #1 pick from houston, who is probably beginning to realize that kubiak's offense doesn't need a top tier rb to work, it needs great offensive linemen! i'd bet Houston trades down and takes Brick at #3, and gets another pick from Tenn to do so...Just can't see Tenn sitting still with 2 guys that Chow used to coach available for the taking..

 

[Red Apples]

do we honestly believe NO would take a shot at young after having to deal w/ wacky aaron brooks for the last few years.

i think they go for the classic drop back passer and leave the athletic qb for someone who doesnt have the bad taste of brooks.

 

[Spartans Rule]

do we honestly believe NO would take a shot at young after having to deal w/ wacky aaron brooks for the last few years.

i think they go for the classic drop back passer and leave the athletic qb for someone who doesnt have the bad taste of brooks.

I don't see the connection.Brooks is a pocket passer. He does have some mobility, but that's not a huge part of his game. His career high in rush yards is 358, while he's thrown for 3500+ yards four times.

Brooks ultimately failed because of poor intangibles, a lack of character and leadership - things which, by all accounts, are strengths of Vince Young.

 

[Texasmouth]

I've read several scouts report that Young's stock is dropping slightly and that he won't be picked in the top 5.

Link? I have yet to read or hear this anywhere except from tools on message boards.......

 

[Chaos Commish]

I've got my ear pretty close to the ground and if anything there is a groundswell for Young to go #2 to NO.

All the stuff about him falling in the draft is coming from two sources (as far as I can tell). One is the group worried about his arm and run dominant style. Those are things the couch scouts are questioning, but I'm not hearing any strong worries from sources closer to the issues. The other group is all over this silly story of him being mishandled. Just a lot of nonsense sensationalized is all I can make of it.

Loomis has praised both QBs (of course), and he claims they are undecided between Leinart or Young. You have to believe Peyton is very intrigued with Young's tools. I won't be surprised if Young goes second and before Leinart. I will be very surprised if he slips past Tenn @ #3.

 

[Dave Baker]

I've read several scouts report that Young's stock is dropping slightly and that he won't be picked in the top 5.

Link? I have yet to read or hear this anywhere except from tools on message boards.......

From The Sporting News, although you need to subscribe.

The possibility of Brees hitting the free-agent market will certainly affect the draft's first round. Talent-wise, some personnel people believe Brees slots in somewhere behind Matt Leinart and ahead of Vince Young and Jay Cutler. We've told you in this space before that Young could be in for a first-round slide and Cutler probably won't live up to the hype. Well, view this as another sign of trouble for these young quarterbacks.

And later,

Back to Young: Some people in NFL circles are starting to worry about the advice he is getting. He decided to skip the weekend's Combine drills, and as one GM noted, "He is losing money now, and the people who advise him are fast becoming an issue."

Another from TSN (again subscription required),

Here are some of the early comments we are hearing from coaches:

The quarterbacks class might have some trouble living up to the hype, and it will show on draft day. Although Matt Leinart will stay on track and will be the first QB selected, Vince Young and Jay Cutler might not be able to stand up to the scrutiny and maintain the top-10 status that many are predicting.

Young might be in for a draft-day slide. One reason will be teams' concerns about his "street-ball" style and whether he will be able to develop the necessary pocket skills to emerge as a solid NFL starter. Coaches are leery of taking two years to develop a QB who has been allowed to tuck and run at the first sign of pressure. His arm strength and ability to read and recognize coverages are the main concerns.

Young's draft status also might suffer -- as Ben Roethlisberger's did in 2004 -- because of team needs. If Young gets past the Titans and Jets, none of the next five teams (the Packers, Raiders, Niners, Bills and Lions) appear to be in the market for a QB. Trades could affect how far he slides, but for now it looks as though the Cardinals are the first safety net. ...

Cutler was the most talked-about QB at the Senior Bowl, but it wasn't all positive. One prominent quarterbacks coach was disappointed with Cutler's mechanics; while watching passing drills, the coach commented that Cutler's footwork was different on seven consecutive drops and that his release point varied too often.

There also were comments about Cutler's lack of big-time play in the big SEC games, and then he performed poorly (6-for-19, 1 INT) in the Senior Bowl game. But Cutler still has enough going for him to be a first-round pick, and it looks like he'll be on the board when the Dolphins pick at No. 16. ...

It's obvious you're a Texas and/or Young fan, and who could blame you, as he has been nothing but impressive, especially his senior year. But before you roll your eyes to severely, the facts remain some believe Young remains a project. Many more believe he's more of a sure thing, but draft day can be a little odd. Strange things can happen.I like Young and can't remember seeing somebody with such an interesting array of abilities, but nobody should be blind about anything.

 

[Festivus]

There is some talk on Austin sports radio of Young dropping. There was a story in the Dallas morning news (sorry no link handy) about the poor handling/advice VY is getting. He's hired his family attorney and uncle (who is a middle school teacher) to represent him.

So far he has:

- not blown away the competetion at that made for tv skills contest

- said he would work out at the combine then backtracked on that

- shown up at the white house in jeans when the rest of the team wore suits

- stood up reebok for a meeting that Gil Brandt arranged

While none of these are major things, they can accumulate and give some teams pause. Especially with another former longhorn (RW) in the news for his continued poor decision making.

It's probably all blown out of proportion, but VY certainly isn't helping is draft stock so far this offseason.

As for TEN trading up, I think they would have to do it with Houston. I can't see NO passing on Leinart.