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I have a question.. Myself and another guy are setting up a new league. I am thinking of using the power rankings that MFL has for teams updated weekly to determine the draft order instead of actual w/l as leagues normally use. My thinking on this is the power rankings take into consideration should have and could have won/lost and using this I believe it would give a better picture to what teams really are worst than others. It would eliminate bad teams getting high picks due to garbage coaching and it would be useless for owners to try and throw a game (or not submit their best line up).

This will be a dynasty league where within 2 years all players will be keepers..

So my question is does anyone have any reason to believe that the normal system would be better and why this isn't a good idea that I am proposing?

Thanks!

 
I'm not sure how they calculate the power rank, so I can't really say whether it's good or bad. I commish 3 MFL leagues and we do use power rank as the 5th tiebreaker for standings. I'll stay tuned to this thread in case someone knows the answer to how the power rank is determined. Maybe post a message at the MFL support message board. Maybe they already have that answered somewhere there.

Edited to add : Before someone suggests potential points as an option, I say no to that, because it penalizes teams with depth.

 
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MFL Power Ranks

Fantasy Team Power Rankings

Have you ever wondered just how good your team was? Or looked atthe three teams locked at 6-3 in

your league and wondered if one of them really was better than

the others? Maybe you're just looking for

a way other than the win-loss column to find out which team is

really the best in your league? Well look

no farther, because here come the Fantasy Team Power Rankings

that will provide you with the answers

you've been seeking.

First of all, let me say that I am not the originator of this

ranking system. A very kind soul posted it to a

message board that I frequent last year and I thought it worth

passing on this year. Unfortunately, I

wasn't wise enough to keep this person's name or where the system

originally came from so that I could

properly credit them. That's what I get for getting all caught up

in this fantasy football frenzy.

What I'll do here is tell you what numbers to collect, why those

particular numbers are useful, and then

what to do with them when you have them all. What we're trying to

do is to measure the overall Power of

one team as it compares to all the other teams in the league. As

such, we're going to use five separate

criteria to generate the overall Power Ranking. Each of these

criteria needs to be collected each week to

develop an accurate Power Ranking for each team. The further into

the season you get, the more accurate

the Power Ranking becomes.

Starters Points: The total number of points scored by a team's

starters each week. This will be used to

determine the strength of the starting players for a team.

Bench Points: The total number of points scored by a team's bench

each week.

This will be used to determine the strength of a teams bench.

Number of Possible Wins Each Week: This is the number of other

teams in a league that a team could

have beaten during that week. It is used in conjunction with the

League Wins to determine the strength

of a team within the league.

Number of League Wins: Total number of League Wins to date. Used

with Number of Possible Wins

Each Week to determine the strength of a team within the league.

Number of Division Wins: Total number of wins within the Division

to date.

This is used to determine the strength of a team within the

division.

Ok, now that we know what to collect, let's see how to put it all

together.

Step1: The first thing we want to do is to get an idea of how

strong the scoring is for each of the starters.

This is done by adding together the starters points for each week

of the season so far. This number is

divided by the number of starters to give you an average number

of points per starter. This number is

then divided by the number of weeks you have data for to give you

an average number of points per

week per starter.

Huh?

Ok, I'll give you an example. Let's say you're in week 3 of your

season. So far, your team's starters have

scored 58, 72, 88 points. Your league starts 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1

TE, 1 K, 1 D. You now have all the info

you need to calculate the average number of points per week per

starter. The formula is:

n = current week

((points week 1 + points week 2 + ... points week n) / number of

starters) / n

((58 + 72 + 88)/ 8)/3 = 9.08

Step 2: Repeat the above process for your bench players to

determine the average number of points per

week per bench player. Make sure to divide by the number of bench

players and not the number of

starters.

Ex: n = current week

((points week 1 + points week 2 + ... points week n) / number of

bench players) / n

((42 + 15 + 27)/ 8)/3 = 3.5

Step 3: Generate the number of possible wins for each team per

week. This is done by ordering the teams

according to the total number of points scored by both the

starters and the bench then taking the number

of teams that team would have beaten as it's "score" for this

round.

For example: Say a four team league scored a total of points as

follows:

Team A:66

Team B:72

Team C:51

Team D:88

They would be ranked as follows:

Team D:88

Team B:72

Team A:66

Team C:51

Team D would then get 3 points because it would have beaten three

teams that week. Team B 2 points,

etc.

Add these numbers and divide by the number of weeks you have data

for to get the average number of

possible wins per week.

In the above example, if you're working on the score for team D,

team D would have 3 points this week, 2

points from the week before, and 0 points for week 1. Therefore

the equation would be:

x = number of possible wins

n = number of weeks

(week 1 x + week 2 x + ... week n x)/ n

(0 + 2 + 3)/3 = 1.67

Step 4: Now it gets a little easier. This is the total number of

wins in the league. For those of you that

have been following this you'll probably recognize this as the

number in the win column for the team. For

our example we'll use 2.

Step 5: Finally is the number of wins in the Division. This is

also pretty easy to figure out as it the number

of wins versus a division opponent. For our example we'll use 1.

Step 6: This final step is to take and add together the numbers

in the above five steps.

Step1 + Step2 + Step3 + Step4 + Step5 = Power Ranking

9.08 + 3.5 + 1.67 + 2 + 1 = 17.25

This Power Ranking can be used to compare the teams in the league

against each other. Besides being

used to determine the strongest teams, the individual pieces of

the above steps can be compared to

determine the strongest group of starters or benches (perhaps to

plan your next trading raid?). I have

found that this formula is pretty accurate in determining the

strength of the different teams in a league.
 
Again.. when determining the draft rankings I rather award the true worst teams the top picks than bad coaches.

Even a bad coach knows the top rooks to draft and if he splits teh new owner would have a better team to take over.

Too many times have I seen questionable line-ups at the seasons end that are just enough to make me wonder but not enough to call out the dogs.. this would stop that.

 
So in a current league of mine here is the power ranking:

Franchise PF PP Eff Bench Points Max PF Min PF Coulda Won Woulda Lost Power Rank W L T Pct

Las Vegas Mob 3017.96 3780.73 79.8% 2651.75 237.05 141.4 2 7 36.13 130 57 0 .695

Nome Gnomes 3041.87 3592.85 84.7% 2540.06 221.2 131.58 2 5 33.16 134 52 1 .719

Impact Fighting Iguanas 2948.63 3607.38 81.7% 2651.12 234.87 130.21 4 7 31.32 117 70 0 .626

Proctor Pain 2693.45 3397.34 79.3% 2503.75 204.5 93.34 5 6 29.11 92 95 0 .492

Pittsburgh Bruisers 2573.80 3419.58 75.3% 2442.81 228.98 91.45 3 6 25.89 76 111 0 .406

Midland Madness 2811.93 3418.89 82.2% 2238.49 233.25 114.62 7 2 25.32 101 86 0 .540

Myrtle Beach Pirates 2598.67 3473.23 74.8% 2576.98 177.52 131.61 4 4 25.23 76 111 0 .406

Dunning Desperados 2659.05 3371.39 78.9% 2645.18 228.53 108.09 5 4 24.69 79 108 0 .422

Navajo Dam Anglers 2555.23 3167.65 80.7% 2081.65 201.54 96.57 2 4 24.37 61 125 1 .329

Los Angeles Riots 2645.21 3331.79 79.4% 2541.91 195.86 107.6 6 4 23.58 82 105 0 .439

Portland Panthers 2681.15 3389.83 79.1% 2494.79 187.08 133.33 5 4 22.68 84 103 0 .449

Dallas Demons 2679.17 3187.71 84.0% 1694.15 202.44 104.38 9 1 18.25 89 98 0 .476

and here is the actual draft order based on normal practice:

1. Dallas

2. Panthers

3. Riots

4. Maddness

5. Dunning

6. Pirates

7. Bruisers

8. Pain

9. Anglers

10. Gnomes

11. MOB

12. Iguannas

 
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so though as you see its pretty close owners who coached better at the top (iguannas lg Champ) were not the best team as far as power and wouldn't be last to pick..

So besides owners that aren't deserving of the top pick not getting it owners that are deserving of a better pick but don't have it due to being a good coach don't get penalized.

 
Best part is coaches who cannot set their best line-up take a hit instead of a break. See the Gnomes.. because they screwed up in a line up and didnt get to the Championship game they normally would get the 10th pick..but by power ranking they get 11th because they pay for bad coaching. (not that 3rd best is bad but you get my point)

 
First, I think you will need to discuss this, and all rules, with the owners in this new league. They are the ones who will have to live with the rules.

Second, if the players are going to all be keepers within two years, I'm not sure that the difference it would make in the draft order would be significant.

Third, I'm not sure the difference will be seen as much in the low finishers as it will in the high finishers. So, it may have the unintended consequence of hurting the better teams more than worse teams. I'm sure that someone who loses in your Super Bowl will get pissed if the Champ gets to draft ahead of them because of the Power Rank.

 
There is no owners yet.. this will be set up before any owners are recruited. The draft will have a LOT of weight after year two especially.. because other than a FA that somehow flew under the radar all new players will be aquired through the rookie draft..and to get them a vet (keeper) will have to be dropped. So after year two is when I would worry the most about teams not submitting their best line-ups if they thought they were out of contention. Not only is that bad for integrity reasons but teams that may not belong in teh playoffs may make teh playoffs if they play one of those owners not trying their hardest.

If the winner picks over the loser of the Championsip game then its the losers own fault and will have to reap his bad coaching.

This will help take luck out of the equation some more and reward good coaches with bad teams. Thats my thinking anyway.

 
The Power Rank formula isn't what most people would use if they created it themself. If you want something that will set the order every week without you having to do anything, then I suppose it might be better than the record.

However, what I would do if you really want the best result is to use just the All Play record from the Power Rank chart. Spell out what you do in the event of a tie then... I would suggest most Points Scored, followed by most Points Against.

To give an example of a case where the Power Rank can get it wrong, last year we had two teams who tied in all play record and Coulda Won. Team A had the better Points For, Points Against, Potential Points, Efficiency, Bench Points, Min PF, and had a big margin on Woulda Lost.

Team B was only ahead in Max PF and was ranked higher. So because his max score on the year was 2 points higher than the other team's max score, he should be ranked higher? Doesn't make sense with what most people view as being the most meaningful stats.

 
As far as waiver order I would use normal practices, the power rank would just be used to set the next seasons draft order.

Thanks for the previous scenerio!

 
I try to think that I play with all adults and that they try to win every week. That being said, I was one of the more powerful teams in my league this past year and got upset in the playoffs. By your way of thinking, the team that beat me, and eventual runner-up, would then get to draft in front of me because my team is better. I saw our lowest ranking playoff team win the superbowl 2 years ago, and I aam sure that he would have been the lowest of all of the playoff teams for power ranking. So he would win the superbowl and then have picked around 7th out of 12. I understand that you are trying to make sure that teams put there best eteam out there, but think you could actually hinder teams from being able to maintain any kind of consistancy.

 
The Power Rank formula isn't what most people would use if they created it themself. If you want something that will set the order every week without you having to do anything, then I suppose it might be better than the record.

However, what I would do if you really want the best result is to use just the All Play record from the Power Rank chart. Spell out what you do in the event of a tie then... I would suggest most Points Scored, followed by most Points Against.

To give an example of a case where the Power Rank can get it wrong, last year we had two teams who tied in all play record and Coulda Won. Team A had the better Points For, Points Against, Potential Points, Efficiency, Bench Points, Min PF, and had a big margin on Woulda Lost.

Team B was only ahead in Max PF and was ranked higher. So because his max score on the year was 2 points higher than the other team's max score, he should be ranked higher? Doesn't make sense with what most people view as being the most meaningful stats.
I agree that the MFL power rankings are not good. We had a team who was very high in every category, except actual record. The had the bad luck of playing high scoring teams each week. However, several teams who only had a better record had a higher power ranking. It just didn't make sense.The coulda woulda shoulda didn't is misleading. Say I lost by 5, but could have played a different player who scored 10 more. I would get a "coulda", which may make my coaching appear poor. However, it ignores the fact/possibilty that the other owner had three players on their bench that would have increased his score by 10 points each! They might as well calculate if you could have beaten your opponents worst possible lineup - it "coulda" been!

I like MFL. I like Power Rankings. MFL Power Rankings are poor.

Even if the power rankings by MFL were accurate, it isn't appropriate. If you are dead set against using final standings, all play is best.

 
I like MFL. I like Power Rankings. MFL Power Rankings are poor.
Poor may be an extreme. We all pretty much agree that power rankings are a gimmick. They reflect the rankings of the league with a fairly complex formula. As an owner, I'd NOT want a committment to that formula if the results were important to me. Are the NFL Packers better than the Falcons? Are they better than the Rams or Titans? It doesn't matter. What does matter is weekly production. During the 2006 NFL season, the Packers won more games that the half the teams. That is the reason they have the $16 draft slot.I'd suggest returning to the traditional draft order sorting - It rewards success, instead of all this woulda-coulda-shoulda stuff.As always, do as you think is best.
 
We use the all play for the final playoff spot in one league, but I believe there is a flaw in the power rankings. Unless your scoring system makes all the positions score similiarly and each team has to keep the same number of players at each position on the bench; the rankings will emphasize the team with the bench that has the most players at the position that scores the most in your scoring system.

For example, one of my leagues uses high performance scoring and the QBs average 35% more pts than RB and WR. If a team has only 1 QB on their bench, while someone else has 2 or 3 QBs on their bench, the teams potential points get skewed which does seem to affect the power ranking.

 
As far as waiver order I would use normal practices, the power rank would just be used to set the next seasons draft order. Thanks for the previous scenerio!
Ok, well, I wouldn't use the power rank to set the draft order, I would use a home-spun power rank as mentioned, based on all play record, points for and points against.
 

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