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Dave Hutchihson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the New York Jets reportedly are keeping Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens on their radar for 2006. Tuesday, Dec. 27, offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger said the team needs a speedy, game-breaking receiver.

 
The Jets need to upgrade the QB situation before they think about bringing in any more WRs! They could have TO and R. Moss and still not be able to move the ball with Chad "IR" Pettington and Brooks "Bad News" Bollinger!If they get P. Rivers, maybe they have a shot, otherwise it doesn't matter who they put in at WR!

 
The Jets need to upgrade the QB situation before they think about bringing in any more WRs! They could have TO and R. Moss and still not be able to move the ball with Chad "IR" Pettington and Brooks "Bad News" Bollinger!

If they get P. Rivers, maybe they have a shot, otherwise it doesn't matter who they put in at WR!
I agree 100%Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.

Surely you don't think noodle armed Pennington is going to come back and start heaving 50 yard bombs do ya?

Leinart?

Bollinger?

Vinny?

Blech.

 
Jets have some interesting decisions to make. Jets fans have to be disgusted by how poorly S. Ellis played this year after getting monster $$$ last offseason. And one has to figure they will let Abraham walk as he failed to earn a big contract extension. The Jets need help in a lot of places...can they really afford the luxury of TO?

 
Jets have some interesting decisions to make. Jets fans have to be disgusted by how poorly S. Ellis played this year after getting monster $$$ last offseason. And one has to figure they will let Abraham walk as he failed to earn a big contract extension.

The Jets need help in a lot of places...can they really afford the luxury of TO?
:no: The Jets should take a page from the Bengals and start with a Quarterback. Whether it's Rivers or Leinert or whomever, just bring in a legitimate franchise QB that can stretch defenses downfield, and go from there. Rag-arm "Montana" ain't cutting it.

 
Jets have some interesting decisions to make. Jets fans have to be disgusted by how poorly S. Ellis played this year after getting monster $$$ last offseason. And one has to figure they will let Abraham walk as he failed to earn a big contract extension.

The Jets need help in a lot of places...can they really afford the luxury of TO?
Yup. And if Herm leaves to KC things will really get ugly.
 
Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing that could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personal decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!

 
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Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing tat could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personally decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!
And how long do you think it would take an entire new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive philosophies to WIN in NY? 2-3-4 years?
 
I wouldn't want any young QB to play with TO, the guy would ruin any kind of learning process the rook would have and be instilled with the "just throw it to me" learning curve.

 
Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing tat could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personally decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!
And how long do you think it would take an entire new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive philosophies to WIN in NY? 2-3-4 years?
If they get P. Rivers, an upgrade at WR and RB, and a legit NFL coach with a proven track record, they could contend NEXT season!
 
Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing tat could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personally decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!
And how long do you think it would take an entire new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive philosophies to WIN in NY? 2-3-4 years?
If they get P. Rivers, an upgrade at WR and RB, and a legit NFL coach with a proven track record, they could contend NEXT season!
That's a lot of "ifs", "ands", and "buts". What about the Oline that's gotten 3 QB's killed this year? Will Mawae be back? Fabini?
 
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Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.
Blinding speed? Terrell Owens? Laughable.Owens' strength was NEVER his speed. He's really not anything special as a deep receiver. His #1 strength IS, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his ability to get yards after the catch. He's just so big and strong, and he has ridiculous open-field moves. Just look at the numbers he put up with Jeff Garcia, another guy who doesn't have a rocket for an arm.

Owens would be the perfect type of receiver to take advantage of Chad Pennington's biggest skill- delivering the ball quickly and accurately in the short-to-intermediate zones and then letting the receiver make a play.

Edit: Why does everyone assume that if a receiver is great, he's really fast? There are lots of different types of receivers, and there's a stud for every type.

 
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Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.
Blinding speed? Terrell Owens? Laughable.Owens' strength was NEVER his speed. He's really not anything special as a deep receiver. His #1 strength IS, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his ability to get yards after the catch. He's just so big and strong, and he has ridiculous open-field moves. Just look at the numbers he put up with Jeff Garcia, another guy who doesn't have a rocket for an arm.

Owens would be the perfect type of receiver to take advantage of Chad Pennington's biggest skill- delivering the ball quickly and accurately in the short-to-intermediate zones and then letting the receiver make a play.

Edit: Why does everyone assume that if a receiver is great, he's really fast? There are lots of different types of receivers, and there's a stud for every type.
Keyshawn has blinding speed too :excited:
 
If they get P. Rivers, an upgrade at WR and RB, and a legit NFL coach with a proven track record, they could contend NEXT season!

You mean a legit NFL coach who has gotten his team to the playoffs like 4 years in a row and within a FG of the AFC Championship game? Herm has had a learning curve of his own, but he's becoming a great coach and he has the respect and admiration of his players. How many other coaches could keep their team playing tough after the season they've had?

The Jets would be making a BIG mistake if they let Herm leave.

 
TO to the Jets works for me. I have a lot of trouble finding reason not to like the Jets. It would be easy if TO were there.Would it be the same as Philly - one year of playing nice before imploding the team while throwing 1/2 his teamates under the bus?

 
You mean a legit NFL coach who has gotten his team to the playoffs like 4 years in a row and within a FG of the AFC Championship game? Herm has had a learning curve of his own, but he's becoming a great coach and he has the respect and admiration of his players. How many other coaches could keep their team playing tough after the season they've had? The Jets would be making a BIG mistake if they let Herm leave.
Herm = meh.He isnt bad. But he isnt that good, either. Yeah, he can coach a team to the playoffs - but he has demonstrated he can also keep his team from getting over the hump. He is an awful game day coach who has not progressed in regard to his biggest strategic weaknesses, including clock (mis)management.So, if you want a shot at the playoffs but not that much more, Herm's your man.
 
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Herm = meh.

He isnt bad. But he isnt that good, either. Yeah, he can coach a team to the playoffs - but he has demonstrated he can also keep his team from getting over the hump. He is an awful game day coach who has not progressed in regard to his biggest strategic weaknesses, including clock (mis)management.

So, if you want a shot at the playoffs but not that much more, Herm's your man.
It beats not having a shot at the playoffs at all.
 
:XThere's a few things a team needs before considering signing him.1. A veteran QB to handle his BS2. A strong clubhouse3. A QB that can get him the ball consistently4. A strong Head Coach5. A media that won't hang on every single breath.The Jets are 0-5 here. Bad move.

 
I had no idea Phillip Rivers was so good. The Jets' savior apparently.If Penny cannot go next year, and it looks like he may not be able to, NY needs to get a vet, if they want to contend immediately. The past few years have shown that this is a playoff caliber team when they have a decent QB. But, they completely fall apart without one ('05 and '03 vs. '04 and '02).

 
I had no idea Phillip Rivers was so good. The Jets' savior apparently.

If Penny cannot go next year, and it looks like he may not be able to, NY needs to get a vet, if they want to contend immediately. The past few years have shown that this is a playoff caliber team when they have a decent QB. But, they completely fall apart without one ('05 and '03 vs. '04 and '02).
Oh yeah, and if you desparately need help in the passing game, a TO will significantly help that not only with his production, but the fact that he will ease pressure on the other WRs and keep defenses honest so NY can run the ball too.NY would be the ideal market for TO.

 
We were discussing Herm at lunch today...I would say he's solidly in the middle of the pack among current NFL head coaches. Unfortunately for him, since 10 coaches are likely to be shown the door this year, that's not as solid ground as he might like.

 
herm seems like a first class guy but a middle of the pack head coach

 
After watching the TO circus in Philly for 2 years I can't imagine him in NY. I'm thinking this sounds like a perfect Fox reality TV Show. The local news was camped outside his house in NJ interviewing the pizza delivery guy and critiquing his lawn care job. Good posting on the QB opinion. Gotta figure he'd eat a rookie for lunch.

 
herm seems like a first class guy but a middle of the pack head coach
Though I'm quoting you, this isn't directed at you specifically. Who would you put above Herm? I mean is Andy Reid on shaky ground? Has he won the SB yet? Another guy that gets his team to the playoffs but can't win the big game?

What about Bill Cowher? How many Super Bowls has he won?

And if Super Bowls are the measuring stick of a "proven" track record, does that make Billick a must keep?

And no one has mentioned how much influence Herm has into the personnel decisions. I'm not saying that Herm is the greatest coach, but who is? Belichek? I seem to remember he had a few lean years in the early part of his career.

Just like a rookie, it takes coaches some time to develop and learn along the way. Watching Herm develop only to fire him after his first season of missing the playoffs (when the Jets lost their top 2 QBs and 5 offensive starters, I think) would be very premature.

 
If Penny cannot go next year, and it looks like he may not be able to, NY needs to get a vet, if they want to contend immediately. The past few years have shown that this is a playoff caliber team when they have a decent QB. But, they completely fall apart without one ('05 and '03 vs. '04 and '02).
Following names come to mind that could step in while a young QB sits and learns:Brad Johnson

Brian Greise? (what's his contract status and likehood that he's on the 2006 team?)

A.Brooks

That might allow the Jets to go after a wr like TO......

 
herm seems like a first class guy but a middle of the pack head coach
Though I'm quoting you, this isn't directed at you specifically. Who would you put above Herm? I mean is Andy Reid on shaky ground? Has he won the SB yet? Another guy that gets his team to the playoffs but can't win the big game?

What about Bill Cowher? How many Super Bowls has he won?

And if Super Bowls are the measuring stick of a "proven" track record, does that make Billick a must keep?

And no one has mentioned how much influence Herm has into the personnel decisions. I'm not saying that Herm is the greatest coach, but who is? Belichek? I seem to remember he had a few lean years in the early part of his career.

Just like a rookie, it takes coaches some time to develop and learn along the way. Watching Herm develop only to fire him after his first season of missing the playoffs (when the Jets lost their top 2 QBs and 5 offensive starters, I think) would be very premature.
I'd say the better coaches are:Andy Reid

Tom Coughlin

John Fox

Jon Gruden

Mike Holmgren

Bill Belichik

Bill Cowher

Mike Shanahan

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

**** Vermeil

The last 4 might be a little tricky to put above him based on what they are currently doing, but they obviously have the pedigree. Also, you could easily make an argument for Dungy and Schottenheimer, but really at the end of the day they are similar to Herm in their conservative nature and playoff difficulties. If Dungy wins the Super Bowl this year, he will certainly be ahead of Edwards. I'd say Herm is right in the middle of the pack.

 
I didn't read through this entire thread so if I repeat anyone......I think TO would turn Bollinger into a pro bowl quarterback......stop laughing and hear me out...... how good has Jeff Garcia been since he lost TO? How good of a PASSER was McNabb before and after TO? TO changes the game. TO grabs the passes that most receivers don't. Granted, there is no way in hell the Jets go into next year with Bollinger at QB but my point is, whoever TO goes to, the QB instantly becomes better. Name one team that wouldn't instantly be better with TO........ ok, one team other than the Eagles.....I do hate TO, but now that he isn't an Eagle anymore, I hate him less.

 
Owens is the kind of guy who makes sense for the Jets:He makes the most of QB's who can't throw deep.He'd love to play in NYC - as big as it getsJets have had the MeShawn experience, so it's not entirely foreign.They have some lesser QB's who would not overshadow Owens.

There's a few things a team needs before considering signing him.1. A veteran QB to handle his BS2. A strong clubhouse3. A QB that can get him the ball consistently4. A strong Head Coach5. A media that won't hang on every single breath.
I think the Jets actually score pretty well here - all media are going to be on his jock, so just the prior MeShawn experience should be enough. I think Herm is a strong figure, and he's African-American, so that might help.A qb who is not really great might be so appreciative of Owens that the relationship works okay, especially if he gives props to TO in the media, if he's a consistent short thrower, that might be enough.
 
The Jets need to upgrade the QB situation before they think about bringing in any more WRs! They could have TO and R. Moss and still not be able to move the ball with Chad "IR" Pettington and Brooks "Bad News" Bollinger!

If they get P. Rivers, maybe they have a shot, otherwise it doesn't matter who they put in at WR!
I agree 100%Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.

Surely you don't think noodle armed Pennington is going to come back and start heaving 50 yard bombs do ya?

Leinart?

Bollinger?

Vinny?

Blech.
Arm strength has little to do with throwing the deep ball, it comes into play more on sideline outs and other throws. Pennington actuallt threw a good deep ball when the offense called for it. He had the highest complteion % for passes over 40 yards two years ago when he last played. While personally I think Chad is done his arm strength has nothing to do with getting TO, especially since TO does mot of his damage after catching shorter passes anyway.
 
Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing tat could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personally decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!
And how long do you think it would take an entire new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive philosophies to WIN in NY? 2-3-4 years?
If they get P. Rivers, an upgrade at WR and RB, and a legit NFL coach with a proven track record, they could contend NEXT season!
That's a lot of "ifs", "ands", and "buts". What about the Oline that's gotten 3 QB's killed this year? Will Mawae be back? Fabini?
Actually there were no "buts" in there! :D
 
Herm Edwards leaving the Jets is the best thing tat could happen to NYJ fans! That guys is a complete joke! His play calling is horrible, his personally decisions have been even worse, and recently he has turned into a whining cry baby who pouts and runs out of press conferences!
And how long do you think it would take an entire new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive philosophies to WIN in NY? 2-3-4 years?
If they get P. Rivers, an upgrade at WR and RB, and a legit NFL coach with a proven track record, they could contend NEXT season!
That's a lot of "ifs", "ands", and "buts". What about the Oline that's gotten 3 QB's killed this year? Will Mawae be back? Fabini?
Actually there were no "buts" in there! :D
and really only one "if" and two "ands", I don't think that qualifies as alot.
 
Bottom line is Herm Edwards has been given EVERY chance to get it done in NY but has failed. Granted, this year he was hit by teh injury bug but what about all the other years, what about all of the horrible clock management and playing, what about him routinely being outcoached by every coach in the division and having no ability to make game time adjustments? Time to give someone else a shot.The Jets aren't going anywhere next season no matter what they do so the need to look to rebuild. The Jets are decent defensively but old on offense. They need to let C. Martin walk into the sunset, give up on this C. Pettington experiment, and look to rebuild with some good yound talent. A QB like Rivers or the kid from USC would be a great start.

 
herm seems like a first class guy but a middle of the pack head coach
Though I'm quoting you, this isn't directed at you specifically. Who would you put above Herm? I mean is Andy Reid on shaky ground? Has he won the SB yet? Another guy that gets his team to the playoffs but can't win the big game?

What about Bill Cowher? How many Super Bowls has he won?

And if Super Bowls are the measuring stick of a "proven" track record, does that make Billick a must keep?

And no one has mentioned how much influence Herm has into the personnel decisions. I'm not saying that Herm is the greatest coach, but who is? Belichek? I seem to remember he had a few lean years in the early part of his career.

Just like a rookie, it takes coaches some time to develop and learn along the way. Watching Herm develop only to fire him after his first season of missing the playoffs (when the Jets lost their top 2 QBs and 5 offensive starters, I think) would be very premature.
I'd say the better coaches are:Andy Reid

Tom Coughlin

John Fox

Jon Gruden

Mike Holmgren

Bill Belichik

Bill Cowher

Mike Shanahan

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

**** Vermeil

The last 4 might be a little tricky to put above him based on what they are currently doing, but they obviously have the pedigree. Also, you could easily make an argument for Dungy and Schottenheimer, but really at the end of the day they are similar to Herm in their conservative nature and playoff difficulties. If Dungy wins the Super Bowl this year, he will certainly be ahead of Edwards. I'd say Herm is right in the middle of the pack.
I think this is a pretty good list. I'd put Dungy on it myself, and I didn't go through everyone else not on it, but this is at least close.That said, the problem with this list is that none of these guys are going to replace Herm if he is fired. The real question is who would be available to replace him, and would that person be an upgrade over Herm? My feeling is no, and Herm stays.

 
Just like a rookie, it takes coaches some time to develop and learn along the way. Watching Herm develop only to fire him after his first season of missing the playoffs (when the Jets lost their top 2 QBs and 5 offensive starters, I think) would be very premature.
:goodposting:
 
Owens is perfect for Herm, if he brings him in and things go bad he will put the blame on TO and be back to coach for at least one more year.TO is good for all coach`s, he is the perfect scapegoat.

 
Dave Hutchihson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the New York Jets reportedly are keeping Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens on their radar for 2006. Tuesday, Dec. 27, offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger said the team needs a speedy, game-breaking receiver.
one comment does not equal the other, just reporter having some "what if" fun drawing his own conclusions
 
The Jets need to upgrade the QB situation before they think about bringing in any more WRs! Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :thumbup:

Of course you could always hold hands with her and work on your relationship. But, in putting the two analogies together, T.O. wouldn't be the type of girl to hold hands and work on a relationship with, she's a porn star, and she's not good at holding hands and working on relationships. In fact, T.O. is a porn star who can't get laid because she's too much of a ##### to get laid and then blames others for the fact that she can't get laid. In the end, Teresa O. is a nymphomaniacal WR who got what was coming to her, NO BALLS TO CATCH because people didn't like what was coming out of her mouth. Ha ha ha. Congratulations men, Eagles, for standing up for yourselves and not succumbing to your greatest weakness, you have to many balls to throw. (70% pass ratio). I'm sure some free agent WR will be willing to stroke it for you in the offseason.
 
The Jets need to upgrade the QB situation before they think about bringing in any more WRs! Who is going to throw the ball to TO with all that blinding speed flying down the sideline? The Jets signing TO would be like dating a porn star and not being able to get it up.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :thumbup:

Of course you could always hold hands with her and work on your relationship. But, in putting the two analogies together, T.O. wouldn't be the type of girl to hold hands and work on a relationship with, she's a porn star, and she's not good at holding hands and working on relationships. In fact, T.O. is a porn star who can't get laid because she's too much of a ##### to get laid and then blames others for the fact that she can't get laid. In the end, Teresa O. is a nymphomaniacal WR who got what was coming to her, NO BALLS TO CATCH because people didn't like what was coming out of her mouth. Ha ha ha. Congratulations men, Eagles, for standing up for yourselves and not succumbing to your greatest weakness, you have to many balls to throw. (70% pass ratio). I'm sure some free agent WR will be willing to stroke it for you in the offseason.
But, being a T.O. owner in a dynasty league, I hate him possibly going to the Jets. That's about the worst possible team offensively for him. And I also hate the above quoted posts are true as an owner. Wish I had another stud WR, I hate this guy and nobody wants to trade for him. Kinda like that ugly chick you banged when you were REALLY drunk that when you try and pawn off on your friend, he says , "Not even with your Richard."
 
I heard on ESPN this morning Edwards is the coach next year. Their best bet would be to get Brooks as there QB. He has an arm, and takes nothing serious, so TO wouldn't be able to get under his skin.

 
I'm not usually one to tote the race card, but I got to think this Herm disrespect has got to be somewhere sublminally racially motivated. I lean toward the Giants, but I've seen every game Edwards has ever coached. Gameplan wise, he'll tend to get conservative at times, but he consistently gets more out of his talent than they would probably get with just "any" coach. This year is a disaster, but Jim Howell with Landry and Lombardi on the staff couldn't have polished this green and white turd this year. Martin's old, the line broke down, Pennington is glass jaw joe and Coles and McCariens are statues that don't compliment each other. His only other bad year was 02 when Pennington was still young. I'm quite happy with Coughlin, but I would have taken Herm over Fassell at any point, even when they went to the bowl. Don't take away from the fact he's got hands down the best post-salary cap dynasty in the NFL in his division, and overall probably played in football's toughest division up until this season. And this isn't a fishing trip, I'm not calling you guys racists, but I notice in the press and on WFAN too. I just don't know why people want to pull the plug on this guy. He'll get this ship righted, and it will be done with an Evinrude if the Jets can line up T.O., a Pennington/Collins combo, and either Peterson or D'Brickshaw in the draft.

 

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