TO vs. ROY (1 Viewer)

[phillzphan]

can't seem to pick these two apart in my rankings. where do you guys see these two for this year and beyond?

important things to think about:

martz leaving?

kitna injury?

TO dumped after season?

TO aging?

Dallas reverting back to offensive plan of glenn (or crayton) as first target vs. Owens?

 

[gman8343]

Personally, I'll take Roy, who reminds me of a younger TO. He won't get as many TDs but he should be a top WR for years. TO is getting up there in age and you never know when he's gonna implode.

 

[Tick]

Roy by a lot. He's as good now statistically, improving, and young.

 

[s_ezy]

ROY

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Roy hands down. No owner of TO or Roy in any dynasty league I know would think twice about that.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Roy by a lot. He's as good now statistically, improving, and young.

Highly, highly arguable. To begin with, Roy isn't scoring as much as TO, even in his supposedly breakthrough year. TO is a scoring machine, even in this "off year" adjusting to a new offense and QB, not to mention a broken hand.

Moreover, TO is just 32. Rice was productive for many years after that, and Harrison has held up so far. In the modern era, there's little reason to think Owens will slow down enough physically to make a large impact on his performance, in the near future. In fantasy, even dynasty, so much will change in 3 years that I wouldn't look any further than that when assessing talent. Those 3 years in a WRs lifetime aren't nearly as consequential as say a RB. Heck even Emmitt was productive when he was 35.

So one could equally argue one would be crazy to take a young unproven talent like Williams that doesn't score rather than an erratic, yet proven professional that get things done on the field (statistically) like only Moss and Rice did in their prime.

I think it comes down to your level of risk aversion, how much weight one puts on age for a WR, how much weight one's league gives for TD relative to performance, how much weight one puts on past performance, and how motivated one thinks Owens will be in the future.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Roy by a lot. He's as good now statistically, improving, and young.

For dynasty value i don't even see it being close.

 

[rockbottom895]

In a dynsaty, ROY is clearly better, but now, TO is better.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Roy by a lot. He's as good now statistically, improving, and young.

Highly, highly arguable. To begin with, Roy isn't scoring as much as TO, even in his supposedly breakthrough year. TO is a scoring machine, even in this "off year" adjusting to a new offense and QB, not to mention a broken hand.

Moreover, TO is just 32. Rice was productive for many years after that, and Harrison has held up so far. In the modern era, there's little reason to think Owens will slow down enough physically to make a large impact on his performance, in the near future. In fantasy, even dynasty, so much will change in 3 years that I wouldn't look any further than that when assessing talent. Those 3 years in a WRs lifetime aren't nearly as consequential as say a RB. Heck even Emmitt was productive when he was 35.

So one could equally argue one would be crazy to take a young unproven talent like Williams that doesn't score rather than an erratic, yet proven professional that get things done on the field (statistically) like only Moss and Rice did in their prime.

I think it comes down to your level of risk aversion, how much weight one puts on age for a WR, how much weight one's league gives for TD relative to performance, how much weight one puts on past performance, and how motivated one thinks Owens will be in the future.

Yes, TO is 32 (33 in a month), but he's also pretty screwy. He's less likely to be playing at 36 than, say, Marvin Harrison.Yes, TO is outscoring Roy Williams. By 0.5 PPG. WR8 vs. WR11. You're telling me you'd trade 8 years (Roy is 24, 25 in a month) for 0.5 PPG?

 

[verratti]

can't seem to pick these two apart in my rankings. where do you guys see these two for this year and beyond?important things to think about:martz leaving?kitna injury?TO dumped after season?TO aging?Dallas reverting back to offensive plan of glenn (or crayton) as first target vs. Owens?

Easy, Roy in Dynasty, TO in redraft leagues.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Roy over TO more because of the instability than the age difference. TO is in amazing shape, something that leads me to believe he'll be this good for three more years, if not more. Roy has his own landmine, a lengthy injury history, but he showed more durability this year, returning the next week after missing most of a game with a back injury (thanks to Darren Sharper). Did I mention he went off for 10/161/1 the next week after being considered doubtful as late as Wednesday of that week? Roy is also on the upside of his career. The production should be very close, with a slight edge to TO for the rest of this year, especially in the category of consistency, but the possibility of TO rendering himself worthless with a blow up is too big a risk to justify the somewhat slight improvement.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Yes, TO is 32 (33 in a month), but he's also pretty screwy. He's less likely to be playing at 36 than, say, Marvin Harrison.

Well Harrison is 34 so that seems pretty obvious, given that he's closer to that threshold. How "screwy" relates to on the field production is a matter of empirical analysis. All things considered, it seems his screwy behavior has been a boon to his production if his career stats are any indication.

Yes, TO is outscoring Roy Williams. By 0.5 PPG. WR8 vs. WR11. You're telling me you'd trade 8 years (Roy is 24, 25 in a month) for 0.5 PPG?

3 more TDs means 18 more points. 150 less yards is many leagues is only a deficit of 7.5 points. So Owens could be scoring about 1 ppg more than Williams. Of course, this is during Williams supposed "surge to stardom" and Owens hand injury and adjustment period -- ie. best case scenario for Williams given what we know today. Hardly a ringing endorsement for Williams.Williams has never scored 10 TDs, let alone 16. He's never topped 1300 yards, though this year he might. Detroit is far from a stable environment to be playing in.. and Kitna isn't exactly a great QB. We have no idea how durable Williams is. We have no idea how long Martz is going to stay in Detroit.

If you are asking me would I trade Owens for Williams in dynasty, I would never do that straight up.

In my eyes, Owens is one of those rare talents that scores as much as a RB, which few WRs can achieve.. let alone over a prolonged period of time. Owens is also not one to let a few more years affect his performance, which I think is the only reasonable time period fantasy owners should consider. He seems to be in the best position one can imagine with a good QB that likes him and with an organization that seems to be moving in the right direction.

If your league scores in a way that weakens the value of TDs, one has an extremely pessimistic view of Owens and extremely optimistic view of Williams, and a view that 34-45 year old WRs can't produce, then maybe Roy Williams is your man.

 

[Brewzers]

If you are asking me would I trade Owens for Williams in dynasty, I would never do that straight up.

You gotta be kidding.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Well Harrison is 34 so that seems pretty obvious, given that he's closer to that threshold. How "screwy" relates to on the field production is a matter of empirical analysis. All things considered, it seems his screwy behavior has been a boon to his production if his career stats are any indication.

Screwy isn't pertaining to just production -- screwy could put him in a position of playing for a crappy team or worse, not playing at all if his behavior becomes bad enough.It's a factor, I leave it to you guys to decide how much of one. But he has left a wake of destruction behind him (and certainly ain't shy about bad mouthing former teammates, employers and organizations) - it may come to pass that people tire of his act and he finds himself out of the league or in a bad situation.And you can't ignore that possibility when talking dynasty worth.

 

[Raider Nation]

Is this a trick question?

There are few WRs I'd rather have than RW in dynasty... and Owens ain't one of 'em.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Screwy isn't pertaining to just production -- screwy could put him in a position of playing for a crappy team or worse, not playing at all if his behavior becomes bad enough.It's a factor, I leave it to you guys to decide how much of one. But he has left a wake of destruction behind him (and certainly ain't shy about bad mouthing former teammates, employers and organizations) - it may come to pass that people tire of his act and he finds himself out of the league or in a bad situation.And you can't ignore that possibility when talking dynasty worth.

It was implicitly assumed this was a negligible possibility, hence the original post. I mean if anyone seriously thinks Owens is likely to blow up in such a way that would end his career, then the answer of who you want to own is obvious.Yet aside from the hype, Owens is no more a risk of getting traded to a bad team or getting kicked out of the league than Williams is of getting seriously injured or suffering a like fate -- I'd say the probability is in fact a lot lower. The only fundamental issue is whether Owens can maintain his production for a few more years at the high standard he's set for himself -- one few WRs have ever surpassed -- and whether Williams is in any position to rival that production given his relative lack of experience.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

You gotta be kidding.

Are you telling me that if Williams ends with 80/1100/5 you'd take him over Owens in dynasty? What if he gets injured tomorrow? How likely is any of this to happen? 5%, 20%, 50%? Williams matching, let alone outproducing Owens over the next few years is hardly obvious. Heck Williams, like any young player, could implode next year for all we know rather than improve.

 

[CalBear]

Williams has never scored 10 TDs, let alone 16. He's never topped 1300 yards, though this year he might. Detroit is far from a stable environment to be playing in.. and Kitna isn't exactly a great QB. We have no idea how durable Williams is. We have no idea how long Martz is going to stay in Detroit.

You think Parcells and Romo constitutes a stable situation with a great QB?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

It was implicitly assumed this was a negligible possibility, hence the original post. I mean if anyone seriously thinks Owens is likely to blow up in such a way that would end his career, then the answer of who you want to own is obvious.Yet aside from the hype, Owens is no more a risk of getting traded to a bad team or getting kicked out of the league than Williams is of getting seriously injured or suffering a like fate -- I'd say the probability is in fact a lot lower.

It's pretty obvious why your opinion about TO vs. Roy seems to differ from everybody else's:1) You feel confident that TO's shenanigans are not likely to prevent him from playing for a good team or playing at all. I know few people who are similarly confident. I for one am not and I am not a TO hater by any stretch.2) You feel strongly that no dynasty owner worth their salt should pay any attention to production beyond three years hence. I know no successful dynasty owners who actually behave this way--it's one thing to make judicious use of older players at bargain prices, and it's another to pay full price for older players which is what you seem to be proposing.

 

[turkishkamel]

You gotta be kidding.

Are you telling me that if Williams ends with 80/1100/5 you'd take him over Owens in dynasty? What if he gets injured tomorrow? How likely is any of this to happen? 5%, 20%, 50%? Williams matching, let alone outproducing Owens over the next few years is hardly obvious. Heck Williams, like any young player, could implode next year for all we know rather than improve.

Watch Roy Williams play football. He's gonna be a superstar. I dont know if I'd take any WR over him in a dynasty.

 

[King of the Jungle]

You gotta be kidding.

Are you telling me that if Williams ends with 80/1100/5 you'd take him over Owens in dynasty? What if he gets injured tomorrow? How likely is any of this to happen? 5%, 20%, 50%? Williams matching, let alone outproducing Owens over the next few years is hardly obvious. Heck Williams, like any young player, could implode next year for all we know rather than improve.

Watch Roy Williams play football. He's gonna be a superstar. I dont know if I'd take any WR over him in a dynasty.

I am a Roy fan, but that is too generous.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Roy Williams. Easily.

 

[MagicMan]

Speaking of TO, when is it time to trade TO away in a keeper or dynasty league?

 

[Tick]

Is this a trick question?There are few WRs I'd rather have than RW in dynasty... and Owens ain't one of 'em.

SSmithChadHoltFitzRoy

 

[Ice Cream Man]

1) You feel confident that TO's shenanigans are not likely to prevent him from playing for a good team or playing at all. I know few people who are similarly confident. I for one am not and I am not a TO hater by any stretch.

Herd mentality doesn't get one very far, does it? Besides, if you look at the facts, Owens' "shenanigans" over a 10-year period have had little impact on his statistical performance -- in fact its negligible. Even in the unique case where he actually got suspended (has Keyshawn been suspended again?), you knew he wasn't playing. So, as a fantasy manager, you still confidently got 7 incredible games out of him, and the remainder with one of your WR2 that you'd normally sit. There was no uncertainty, such as with a lingering, week-to-week injury (c.f. Portis, Bell, et al) which makes you want to pull your hair out.

2) You feel strongly that no dynasty owner worth their salt should pay any attention to production beyond three years hence. I know no successful dynasty owners who actually behave this way--it's one thing to make judicious use of older players at bargain prices, and it's another to pay full price for older players which is what you seem to be proposing.

That's a pretty broad statement and frankly, means nothing. The success of such teams (even if one grants the sketchy assessment is accurate) may be in spite of them overlooking older players or in spite of taking a 5- or 10-year view on players. It speaks nothing to the legitimacy of the point being made, or supporting the one you and others are offering.Again, taking Owens depends on risk aversion, the weight given to his past performance (which very few can match), and what one envisions Williams will do in the future despite all the question marks.

 

[Steelnation]

Is this a trick question?There are few WRs I'd rather have than RW in dynasty... and Owens ain't one of 'em.

SSmithChadHoltFitzRoy

Bump + Bouldin

 

[turkishkamel]

You gotta be kidding.

Are you telling me that if Williams ends with 80/1100/5 you'd take him over Owens in dynasty? What if he gets injured tomorrow? How likely is any of this to happen? 5%, 20%, 50%? Williams matching, let alone outproducing Owens over the next few years is hardly obvious. Heck Williams, like any young player, could implode next year for all we know rather than improve.

Watch Roy Williams play football. He's gonna be a superstar. I dont know if I'd take any WR over him in a dynasty.

I am a Roy fan, but that is too generous.

i'm not saying i'd definately take him as my #1 but he's in a tight race with few others.Smith

Fitz

Boldin

Roy

 

[phillzphan]

hm, how many more years does TO keep this up? Does it look to you guys that he's lost anything for this year?

 

[Jon_Moore]

I own TO in a dynasty. Last year, you knew you could count on him week in and week out. The first few weeks of this season, wasn't the case, but now, he's money in the bank again. I wouldn't trade him for Roy in my dynasty league. But, on the flip side, I know the Roy owner wouldn't make the trade either.

 

[sib]

I have both in my dyno league

If I didn't I wouldn't deal Roy purely because he's younger and more mentally stable. Production-wise it's tough to top TO; he's been the man once Romo has stepped in

 

[suchislife]

I own TO in a dynasty. Last year, you knew you could count on him week in and week out. The first few weeks of this season, wasn't the case, but now, he's money in the bank again. I wouldn't trade him for Roy in my dynasty league. But, on the flip side, I know the Roy owner wouldn't make the trade either.

Last year you knew exactly what you were getting from weeks 9 thru 17...zilch. Why? Because of his antics.

 

[Brewzers]

I own TO in a dynasty. Last year, you knew you could count on him week in and week out. The first few weeks of this season, wasn't the case, but now, he's money in the bank again. I wouldn't trade him for Roy in my dynasty league. But, on the flip side, I know the Roy owner wouldn't make the trade either.

Last year you knew exactly what you were getting from weeks 9 thru 17...zilch. Why? Because of his antics.

Yep, you don't want this guy on your dynasty. I'd take Roy in a nano second!

 

[oukurt]

I didn't read the thread but I am guessing someone answered something similar to this: With Romo you will see TO become more like the TO machine of old. A top 5 fantasy WR going forward.

 

[-OZ-]

Is this a trick question?There are few WRs I'd rather have than RW in dynasty... and Owens ain't one of 'em.

SSmithChadHoltFitzRoy

sounds about right. The only problem with Roy is we don't know who his longterm QB will be. We know that with most of the other elite WRs. The only WRs I'd add to your list, is Boldin and Javon Walker. (and maybe, just maybe, Colston)

 

[billyjoe]

Yes, TO is 32 (33 in a month), but he's also pretty screwy. He's less likely to be playing at 36 than, say, Marvin Harrison.

Well Harrison is 34 so that seems pretty obvious, given that he's closer to that threshold. How "screwy" relates to on the field production is a matter of empirical analysis. All things considered, it seems his screwy behavior has been a boon to his production if his career stats are any indication.

Yes, TO is outscoring Roy Williams. By 0.5 PPG. WR8 vs. WR11. You're telling me you'd trade 8 years (Roy is 24, 25 in a month) for 0.5 PPG?

3 more TDs means 18 more points. 150 less yards is many leagues is only a deficit of 7.5 points. So Owens could be scoring about 1 ppg more than Williams. Of course, this is during Williams supposed "surge to stardom" and Owens hand injury and adjustment period -- ie. best case scenario for Williams given what we know today. Hardly a ringing endorsement for Williams.Williams has never scored 10 TDs, let alone 16. He's never topped 1300 yards, though this year he might. Detroit is far from a stable environment to be playing in.. and Kitna isn't exactly a great QB. We have no idea how durable Williams is. We have no idea how long Martz is going to stay in Detroit.

If you are asking me would I trade Owens for Williams in dynasty, I would never do that straight up.

In my eyes, Owens is one of those rare talents that scores as much as a RB, which few WRs can achieve.. let alone over a prolonged period of time. Owens is also not one to let a few more years affect his performance, which I think is the only reasonable time period fantasy owners should consider. He seems to be in the best position one can imagine with a good QB that likes him and with an organization that seems to be moving in the right direction.

If your league scores in a way that weakens the value of TDs, one has an extremely pessimistic view of Owens and extremely optimistic view of Williams, and a view that 34-45 year old WRs can't produce, then maybe Roy Williams is your man.

How did his "screwy" behavior work out last year? Not so well.What if Dallas goes on a 3-4 game losing streak, is TO really going to be putting it all on the line for a non-playoff team during FF playoffs? TO is unstable. The last two years he's finished the regular season on the sidelines. Yeah thats rare and special FF talent/production.

Ideal situation? You mean the same one where it was rumored Parcells was going to quit if TO wasn't booted from the team? Yeah that's ideal. He's a ticking time bomb. If the team does poorly, TO is going to check out. Look at Randy Moss on the Raiders. You put TO on the raiders, and he would have been suspended for the year already. TO is a talented Jerry Porter.

TO might want to play until he's 36, but at the pace he's going, there might not be a team out there who's going to pay him. He could turn into Sammy Sosa very quickly.

As for Roy, he's got Martz. He's slowly turning him into the next Holt. If he stays, Roy is a lock for the top 10WR for the next 5-6 years.

If someone offered me TO in dynasty for Roy, I'd break my mouse clicking the reject button.

 

[billyjoe]

1) You feel confident that TO's shenanigans are not likely to prevent him from playing for a good team or playing at all. I know few people who are similarly confident. I for one am not and I am not a TO hater by any stretch.

Herd mentality doesn't get one very far, does it? Besides, if you look at the facts, Owens' "shenanigans" over a 10-year period have had little impact on his statistical performance -- in fact its negligible. Even in the unique case where he actually got suspended (has Keyshawn been suspended again?), you knew he wasn't playing. So, as a fantasy manager, you still confidently got 7 incredible games out of him, and the remainder with one of your WR2 that you'd normally sit. There was no uncertainty, such as with a lingering, week-to-week injury (c.f. Portis, Bell, et al) which makes you want to pull your hair out.

2) You feel strongly that no dynasty owner worth their salt should pay any attention to production beyond three years hence. I know no successful dynasty owners who actually behave this way--it's one thing to make judicious use of older players at bargain prices, and it's another to pay full price for older players which is what you seem to be proposing.

That's a pretty broad statement and frankly, means nothing. The success of such teams (even if one grants the sketchy assessment is accurate) may be in spite of them overlooking older players or in spite of taking a 5- or 10-year view on players. It speaks nothing to the legitimacy of the point being made, or supporting the one you and others are offering.Again, taking Owens depends on risk aversion, the weight given to his past performance (which very few can match), and what one envisions Williams will do in the future despite all the question marks.

Shenanigans over a 10 year period? And that has how much to do with his current state? TO has gotten progressively WORSE. When he was 23 in SF he was a great guy. That's good to know. I'm more worried about the freak of nature he's turn into the last 3 years. And TO getting suspended for the year wasn't a bad thing? Spin much? Just sub in your WR2! Thanks for that nugget. Listen SS, if you want to take the rest of the year off, we understand. We have Mark Clayton on our bench, no worries. Uh, no. Getting you to 7-0, then going bye-bye doesn't do much for your FF playoff success. And that's when the money is made. Unless your in a total points league, TO getting suspended was devastating.

I'm all for grabbing old FF players. They're almost always undervalued. But age is always a concern. And in TOs larger then life "love me some me", it's not worth the trouble. Unless you're getting TO cheap, there's no way you give up a top 10, 24 year old WR, playing for a top 3 OC. I don't care who the QB is. You look at TOs injuries, hammy problems, coach who won't even say his name, teams flat out rejecting to even entertain the idea of signing him, it's just not worth the trouble.

TO has a much of a chance to be in the top 5 next year, as he does to be out of the league. If Parcells leaves, Dallas starts sucking, you really think TO is going to give it his all for a losing nonplayoff team? Not to mention the fact there's quite a bit of evidence the guy just tried to commit suicide. Obviously that's larger then FF, but it's just another example of how unstable this guy is.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

1) You feel confident that TO's shenanigans are not likely to prevent him from playing for a good team or playing at all. I know few people who are similarly confident. I for one am not and I am not a TO hater by any stretch.

Herd mentality doesn't get one very far, does it? Besides, if you look at the facts, Owens' "shenanigans" over a 10-year period have had little impact on his statistical performance -- in fact its negligible. Even in the unique case where he actually got suspended (has Keyshawn been suspended again?), you knew he wasn't playing. So, as a fantasy manager, you still confidently got 7 incredible games out of him, and the remainder with one of your WR2 that you'd normally sit. There was no uncertainty, such as with a lingering, week-to-week injury (c.f. Portis, Bell, et al) which makes you want to pull your hair out.

2) You feel strongly that no dynasty owner worth their salt should pay any attention to production beyond three years hence. I know no successful dynasty owners who actually behave this way--it's one thing to make judicious use of older players at bargain prices, and it's another to pay full price for older players which is what you seem to be proposing.

That's a pretty broad statement and frankly, means nothing. The success of such teams (even if one grants the sketchy assessment is accurate) may be in spite of them overlooking older players or in spite of taking a 5- or 10-year view on players. It speaks nothing to the legitimacy of the point being made, or supporting the one you and others are offering.Again, taking Owens depends on risk aversion, the weight given to his past performance (which very few can match), and what one envisions Williams will do in the future despite all the question marks.

and everyone else



nice posts

you can't argue against Owens being the safer pick.

williams has tremendous potential, but you can't predict the future based on potential and one good season.

however, 'sharks' consider themselves 'sharks' largely due to their ability to see potential and pounce on it - the earlier the better.

i dont see martz leaving for at least a few years and why couldnt roy williams begin to produce torry holt - like numbers?

i would be very happy to have either player.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

teams flat out rejecting to even entertain the idea of signing him

i'm curious as to where you heard this.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Shenanigans over a 10 year period? And that has how much to do with his current state? TO has gotten progressively WORSE. When he was 23 in SF he was a great guy. That's good to know. I'm more worried about the freak of nature he's turn into the last 3 years.

The post was about his productivity, not his personality. His stats have not declined over the last 10 years. It's undeniable.

And TO getting suspended for the year wasn't a bad thing? Spin much? Just sub in your WR2! Thanks for that nugget. Listen SS, if you want to take the rest of the year off, we understand. We have Mark Clayton on our bench, no worries. Uh, no. Getting you to 7-0, then going bye-bye doesn't do much for your FF playoff success. And that's when the money is made. Unless your in a total points league, TO getting suspended was devastating.

That's not what I said. But if it makes you feel better, then go ahead and put words in my mouth.

I'm all for grabbing old FF players. They're almost always undervalued. But age is always a concern. And in TOs larger then life "love me some me", it's not worth the trouble.

Very subjective, hence the posts.

Unless you're getting TO cheap, there's no way you give up a top 10, 24 year old WR, playing for a top 3 OC. I don't care who the QB is. You look at TOs injuries, hammy problems, coach who won't even say his name, teams flat out rejecting to even entertain the idea of signing him, it's just not worth the trouble.

As opposed to Williams injuries? TO has been very healthy most of his career, missing a grand total of 18 games in 11 years (including the very unusual suspension). Williams could be made of glass for all we know.

.. and most teams wanted Owens.. it all comes down to price. Clearly teams were willing to pay him massive $$ to land him.

TO has a much of a chance to be in the top 5 next year, as he does to be out of the league.

That's ridiculous.

If Parcells leaves, Dallas starts sucking,

Please elaborate.

you really think TO is going to give it his all for a losing nonplayoff team?

Yeah, you're right. When the niners were 6-10 in 2000 all he did was 97, 1451, 13. Do you make this stuff up?

Not to mention the fact there's quite a bit of evidence the guy just tried to commit suicide. Obviously that's larger then FF, but it's just another example of how unstable this guy is.

We've come full circle. He's been so unstable that he's been one of the best WRs -- statistically -- in the game for the last 8-10 years.

 

[JayMan]

I have read most of the posts here... and I can see valid points on both sides... What I think it comes down to utlimately is your present WR crew (and overall team)...

If it looks like: Andre Johnson / Marques Colston / Mark Clayton / Greg Jennings... I would rather have Owens amazing production right now and for the next 2 / 3 / 4 years (he's 32 but I don't think anyone can argue that he's in top shape)...

If it looks like: Donald Driver / Joe Horn / Derrick Mason / Amani Toomer... I would much rather have Williams and his tremendous potential - hoping to cash in, in a very near future and for a long time with Martz calling the plays...

My 2 cents...

 

[Tick]

Is this a trick question?There are few WRs I'd rather have than RW in dynasty... and Owens ain't one of 'em.

SSmithChadHoltFitzRoy

sounds about right. The only problem with Roy is we don't know who his longterm QB will be. We know that with most of the other elite WRs. The only WRs I'd add to your list, is Boldin and Javon Walker. (and maybe, just maybe, Colston)

I own Boldin and would trade him for Roy. Boldin's knees scare me, and if he lost Denny Green, I'm not sure what the result would be.

 

[Tick]

What if Dallas goes on a 3-4 game losing streak, is TO really going to be putting it all on the line for a non-playoff team during FF playoffs? TO is unstable. The last two years he's finished the regular season on the sidelines. Yeah thats rare and special FF talent/production.

Ideal situation? You mean the same one where it was rumored Parcells was going to quit if TO wasn't booted from the team? Yeah that's ideal. He's a ticking time bomb. If the team does poorly, TO is going to check out. Look at Randy Moss on the Raiders. You put TO on the raiders, and he would have been suspended for the year already. TO is a talented Jerry Porter.

I am down on Owens as well, but I don't buy into this reasoning. I've never seen Owens dog it on the field. The guy has a lot of pride and plays his hardest on every play.I said about 8 TO games ago that I felt he had about 16 games left in his career. I think I undershot, but not by much. He's injured every year, he wears out his welcome, and I think that at some point very soon, he just retires abruptly. I think he loves being great at football, but doesn't really love football.

It's all opinion, though.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

 

[EBF]

Roy by about a mile.

 

[j3r3m3y]

AC forum.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Roy by about a mile.

TO is ranked 3rd and Roy 17th in my standard scoring or 1 every 10 and 6 per TDI would be more than happy to take TO and win the next two years while waiting for Detroit to become competent. Millen gets fired and things can change. When you have a top team you would rather have TO than Roy over the next 2 years. Three years it is close IMO. 4 years the answer is Roy. Therefore, you need to look at 1) is your team a top team and 2) how many years do you look out?Another way to look at it, if you have LT2 you want TO