To whom do you credit offensive system? (1 Viewer)

[J-Rock]

I decided to make this a poll but I'd love to hear from people who know their stuff.

I'm wondering how you evaluate off season coaching moves and work that into your projections for this year?

Who are some of the teams you expect to be more pass or rush heavy than in previous years?

 

[videoguy505]

Each team is different I suppose, some HCs don't call defensive or offensive plays except in certain circumstances, some HCs approve every play.

I wonder how this poll will turn out, I've been wondering all offseason how come so many forum posters, ESPN analysts, and radio commentators keep talking about the Lions under Mike Martz, seemingly forgetting the fact that there's a head coach above him that will be setting the game plan.

 

[MLBrandow]

Well, it's different for each.

Obviously Tony Dungy isn't the OC for the Colts, and obviously Bill Muir (the listed OC) isn't the OC for the Bucs.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Each team is different I suppose, some HCs don't call defensive or offensive plays except in certain circumstances, some HCs approve every play.

I wonder how this poll will turn out, I've been wondering all offseason how come so many forum posters, ESPN analysts, and radio commentators keep talking about the Lions under Mike Martz, seemingly forgetting the fact that there's a head coach above him that will be setting the game plan.

When the HC is Rod Marinelli, you can bet that Martz will have almost exclusive say on the offense. It's like when Spurrier admitted to throwing his hands in the air and said "Here Marvin, go coach me some defense." Of course, the hiring of Martz is (or rather should) be Marinelli's decision, and he deserves credit (or blame) for that. Ultimately, it all lies at the HC's feet.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Both.

The HC determines what kind of football he wants his team to play, and he goes out and gets the kind of assistant coaches that fit that bill.

So the philosophy is the HC, and the implementation is the OC.

 

[noneother]

i would think, depending on the leader Marinelli is, he has approval, yet will defer to to martz, on occasion, martz does need to be "realed" (mispelling intentional) on occasion.. possibly you may see more head butting on the DEF side for the lions, 2 premier DCs one a head coach.. going after it..

 

[jerseyh8r]

Tough this off-season to project in two places especially (for me, anyway)...

1) KC: Yes, I know they ran the ball a lot last year, and that the offensive playbook remains unchanged. But Herm is a very conservative coach historically (regardless of his OCs and they're own varying philosophies) and I have concerns that KC chooses to go downfield less and becomes more predictable (esp on 3rd down)--->fewer first downs--->defense on field more--->playing from behind more. LJ is too good to let this de-throne him from #1 RB, but would influence Trent the most IMO.

2) Houston: For years, Kubiak has been behind the scenes while Shanny consistently gets credit (which I am sure he deserves) for the teams performances from the running backs and OL. Now Kubiak is in Houston and everyone expects Kubiak to greatly influence the OL and make Carr a better QB. I think Kubiak is likely to be much better than the old regime (how could he be worse?), but I am concerned that we may want to bestow him with abilities for HCing that he may not have....or he could be to Shanny as Belichick is to Parcells.

 

[coolnerd]

The Dallas morning news (hardcopy) has an article which lists teams where the OC coordinator does not call the plays. I will list the teams here as the online version is under the pay section (not kidding) of the newspaper.

Denver

Green Bay

Houston

Minnesota

New Orleans

Philadelphia

Seattle

Saint Louis

Tampa Bay

Washington(don breaux is listed as the OC, but everyone knows its Al suanders' bit)

Also Note that Dallas does not have an offense coordinator but has a Running game coordinator, Passing game coordinator, and QB coach who could call plays, but as of now it seems like Parcells will do it himself.

 

[WhoDat]

When the HC is Rod Marinelli, you can bet that Martz will have almost exclusive say on the offense.

That's an assumption. In any situation it is going to depend on how much control or identify the HC is going to want to allow the OC to have or where the HC's strong suits reside. It also depends on how the HC manages his coaching staff or the expectations he has set. Lastly, there is the matter of trust. Does the HC have unquestioned faith in his staff's judgment and abilities or does he not? It is team by team and case by case.

As a Lions fan, I think people might be in for a shock this season. Martz, opinion, will not be operating like Rams North in Detroit and was probably told to check his ego at the door. Hey, I am excited with the hire but I do not think we'll see the Mad Scientist in Motown. His act is going to be toned down.

First, the Lions do not have the player personnel on offense. Second, the team actually has talent on the other side of the ball and just hired a defense first and foremost HC. Opponents are not going to get the ball any more than they should. Martz's offense, as it was, does not necessarily coincide with that idea.

Incompletions or substantially more passing v. running kill clock; create more possessions for the other team and put your defense on the field too often over a game. I do not see Marinelli turning Martz loose with a playbook for those reasons. Oh, he'll let Martz build and implement the offense but I do not see Marinelli taking the same you do your thing, I'll do mine approach Spurrier took with Marvin Lewis.

My impression is that Marinelli, given his personality and what he is trying to get accomplished, is going to give Martz just enough responsibility but will not hesitate to veto decisions. That team will be built and play to Marinelli's strengths, which is defense, and the offense will fall in line accordingly.

Thus, I do not see Marinelli being good with Martz passing early and often; calling BS trick plays from the opponents 2 yard line or not taking what the defense is giving and forcing the issue. I am of the opinion that the Lions will be much more conservative than expected.

 

[J-Rock]

Some good points here but what I have yet to see is how you guys take offensive systems and team philosophies into account when drafting your team.

For example: Does the addition of a HC with a focus on Def likely translate into increased focus on the running game to keep the D off the field (I read Next Man Up and this was a huge issue among the Ravens coaching staff).

Coaching has a huge effect on the execution of a system. Consider The Falcons and the Eagles. Both run a west coast offense. Yet ATL, with a former DC at the reigns, is consistently among the top 5 teams in the league in rushing attempts. While PHI, with a HC who came up on the offensive side and spent a significant amount of time as a QB coach in GB, are consistently among the top 5 teams in passing attempts.

This kind of stuff can be huge in terms of gaining an edge in FFB. I’m curious to know how much attention sharks pay to this kind of stuff and if anyone is willing to share their secrets on how to evaluate team systems and coaching philosophy.