Today was step#1 towards a lockout (1 Viewer)

[Sleeping King]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.

Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.

Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year.

A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.

And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers.

2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

 

[BassNBrew]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

 

[Sleeping King]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

 

[BassNBrew]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

Not to mention the short contracts (in terms of guaranteed money) for Boldin and Chester Taylor.

 

[Sweet Love]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

Seriously...Carolina saved, what, 30 million in monies in just one day?

 

[Sleeping King]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

The only one of those that has any relevance is Boldin. Every other one is on the severe backside of their career. The NFLPA wasn't shocked with a 30+ RB or WR being cut.

 

[Sleeping King]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

Not to mention the short contracts (in terms of guaranteed money) for Boldin and Chester Taylor.

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Peppers is getting guaranteed $ only for 3 years.... I doubt he sees year #6....by then the Bears will draft a successor and cut him in the 5th or 6th year

 

[DA RAIDERS]

the owners get the billions in tv revenue whether they play a game or not. they dont care.

 

[Sleeping King]

Seriously...Carolina saved, what, 30 million in monies in just one day?

Unfortunately the NFLPA won't be looking at that. They will just say the Bears spent $121 million in new contracts and $55 million of that is guaranteed.

 

[Sleeping King]

the owners get the billions in tv revenue whether they play a game or not. they dont care.

Everyone keeps mentioning the owners. It will be the players that force the lockout by not agreeing to the terms the owners set. And you are right the owners can and will sit on the tv revenue until eventually the players cave. I just think that might take a good while.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

the owners get the billions in tv revenue whether they play a game or not. they dont care.

Everyone keeps mentioning the owners. It will be the players that force the lockout by not agreeing to the terms the owners set. And you are right the owners can and will sit on the tv revenue until eventually the players cave. I just think that might take a good while.

my point is that the owners could care less & will 'win' the lockout. we're the losers

 

[Sleeping King]

the owners get the billions in tv revenue whether they play a game or not. they dont care.

Everyone keeps mentioning the owners. It will be the players that force the lockout by not agreeing to the terms the owners set. And you are right the owners can and will sit on the tv revenue until eventually the players cave. I just think that might take a good while.

my point is that the owners could care less & will 'win' the lockout. we're the losers

Absolutely agree. They hold all the cards. One thing I am very interested in seeing is the totals each team have in contracts come day one of the season. I'm very interested in the disparity in a high revenue team (Dallas, Washington, New England) vs. a low revenue team (Minnesota, Buffalo, Jacksonville).

 

[BassNBrew]

For all the owners cry's of bleeding money and needing the players to take pay cuts today was a head scratcher.Rolle now the highest paid safety in league history.Burleson and Walter both getting nearly $5 million a year. A 30 year old journeyman RB gets $7 million guaranteed.And of course $40 million guaranteed to Peppers. 2011 Lockout is at def con 5.

Actually that would be the opposite. Why would owners pay bonus money this year when they won't get work in return next year.Shedding payroll would be the sign of a lock out as a prepartory move by an owner.

You have my point completely backwards. This has nothing to do with the owners locking out the players. It has everything to do with the players realizing the money is still flowing and they will not take a "less than" CBA offer from the owners.

If it was really flowing then the owners wouldn't be playing hardball.50% of your point was based around Chicago and a couple of other events. What about TJ, Boldin, LT, TO, etc being sent packing?

The only one of those that has any relevance is Boldin. Every other one is on the severe backside of their career. The NFLPA wasn't shocked with a 30+ RB or WR being cut.

But it's an uncapped year. There should be no need to cut anyone and teams should be spending like druken sailors.

 

[David Yudkin]

the owners get the billions in tv revenue whether they play a game or not. they dont care.

I since looked into this a little more and this while technically is true, it is somewhat misleading (I know, cause I got duped too). While it's true that the owners would be paid anyway, for whatever time there is a lockout the monies paid to the NFL in missed games will be applied as a discount with interest against the next tv contract.So let's say that there is no football at all in 2011. Let's also say that next time they agree to a 3 year, $15 billion deal. So the networks would get $5 billion off the top (the amount paid out in 2011) and maybe $500 million in interest (I don't know the rate they would use) to make the final deal 3 years for $9.5 billion.\Long story short, the owners would not get a free pass or an interest free loan.

 

[David Yudkin]

People thinking teams would be spending like drunken sailors apparently didn't pay much attention to last season. Collectively, teams left well over $200 million in cap space (probably closer to $250 million) that they didn't use in 2009. Many, many teams had tons of rooms under the cap and didn't spend more than they did. So having no salary cap even last year would not have made much difference as teams were not spending to the limits they were confined to.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Everyone keeps mentioning the owners. It will be the players that force the lockout by not agreeing to the terms the owners set. And you are right the owners can and will sit on the tv revenue until eventually the players cave. I just think that might take a good while.

This is absolutely correct, in my opinion. The owners aren't going to kill their own golden goose...they're going to put it all on the players and it is going to take a long, long time, to reach an agreement. They're going to force the NFLPA's hand anyway though, no matter how much they get 'penalized' on that money from the networks, but it won't come to that.They owners aren't going to lockout anyone. Too much backlash, and most importantly, too much in the way of lost monies(including the drag on the network cash). If there's a work stoppage, no matter which side starts it, BOTH sides lose ultimately. It hasn't been that long since 1987 and I'm sure both the owners and NFLPA remember how lousy that went for all parties involved.That said, a lot of 'experts' think they'll probably do something very similar to 1987, sans 'replacement' games after the players walked out....The owners will 'negotiate to an impasse' and unilaterally ramrod through some rule changes regarding wages/etc. that they propose to the Player's Association beforehand that they know the NFLPA won't dig, thereby forcing the NFLPA to either a) strike....which they do NOT want to do, I think we can all agree on that. (Strike=not getting paid. Not happening)....or b) decertify in order to throw a ton of anti-trust lawsuits at the owners a la 1987, but continue to play/get paid this time around, under whatever 'pre-impasse' system the owners decide on while they litigate instead of striking.It's going to take years for them to hammer this out, and in the interim the owners will almost certainly wind up saving money(probably even with all the costs for litigation). The NFLPA isn't going to be willing to go on strike for 3-5 years, AND pay to sue the owners at the same time, and the owners know it.So, we, the fans, won't really 'lose' in a scenario like that. We'll still get football while the two parties sue each other crazy. The big winners in all of this are going to be the attorneys.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Not to mention the short contracts (in terms of guaranteed money) for Boldin and Chester Taylor.

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

each only has a short time that is guaranteed. that is what i judge the contracts by. chester signed a four-year deal for over $12 million, but only $7 million is guaranteed. this means one or two years is all they expect, imo. boldin signed a four-year, $28 million deal ... but only $10 million is guaranteed. boldin was slated to make $3 million in 2010 anyway, so this is not a huge step up.. these two deal are not big money over many years. they each easily could be two-year contracts.

 

[massraider]

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

That's because all the 26-27 year-olds are still restricted free agents.

 

[tbglog]

Not to mention the short contracts (in terms of guaranteed money) for Boldin and Chester Taylor.

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

each only has a short time that is guaranteed. that is what i judge the contracts by. chester signed a four-year deal for over $12 million, but only $7 million is guaranteed. this means one or two years is all they expect, imo. boldin signed a four-year, $28 million deal ... but only $10 million is guaranteed. boldin was slated to make $3 million in 2010 anyway, so this is not a huge step up.. these two deal are not big money over many years. they each easily could be two-year contracts.

This one surprise me a little. I find it hard to believe the Cards couldn't or didn't offer atleast this much. They were on the hook for 3M next year, why not renegotiate a deal that gets hin the guaranteed 10 or 11M over 4 years/ I am puzzled by this. Dansby and Rolles money were both extreme, Rolle the highest paid saftey in football? I would have bet my house Boldin would have demaned more.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Not to mention the short contracts (in terms of guaranteed money) for Boldin and Chester Taylor.

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

each only has a short time that is guaranteed. that is what i judge the contracts by. chester signed a four-year deal for over $12 million, but only $7 million is guaranteed. this means one or two years is all they expect, imo. boldin signed a four-year, $28 million deal ... but only $10 million is guaranteed. boldin was slated to make $3 million in 2010 anyway, so this is not a huge step up.. these two deal are not big money over many years. they each easily could be two-year contracts.

This one surprise me a little. I find it hard to believe the Cards couldn't or didn't offer atleast this much. They were on the hook for 3M next year, why not renegotiate a deal that gets hin the guaranteed 10 or 11M over 4 years/ I am puzzled by this. Dansby and Rolles money were both extreme, Rolle the highest paid saftey in football? I would have bet my house Boldin would have demaned more.

from a Ravens beat writer on twitter:http://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/10048333212



Anquan Boldin got $10 million in guaranteed money, $25 million in new money, according to a league source.

 

[Sleeping King]

Chester Taylor is signed until he is 34 years old. Boldin will be 33 at the end of his. These are not the usual 26-27 year old players getting new contracts.

That's because all the 26-27 year-olds are still restricted free agents.

That's precisely the point. All these players that are getting the high level deals would generally be the B Level free agent class (Minus Peppers). The RFA class is loaded with talent that could have been on the open market under the old CBA.Antrel Rolle=highest paid Safety in league historyKarlos Dansby=highest paid ILB in league historyBoth are very nice players but if I told you this would happen last off-season you would have thought I was nuts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I guess this thread is as good as any to spout off in. I have several questions or points that need to be addressed.

1. The rookies and especailly the #1 pick needs to not be such a burden. I think these players need 3 year contracts when they come out of college, 4 tops. Then they can either along the way work out a longer contract wit their current team or be free to hit the market when their contract runs out. The avg NFL career is soemthing like 3 years. Now that seems hard to believe when you see all these other players but many players especially in rounds 4-7 never make a roster so its not that hard to figure out.

Rookie QBs should not be given $50 million out of the shoot when they come into the NFL. These guys should be signing 4 year $15-$20 million deals in the top end of the 1st round. By the end of year 2 teams should know what they have or don't have. That still gives them 2 more years to work an extension or start to trade these guys while they are still young and can make an impact somewhere.

2. Players need to realize they are not the owners. Owners make more money because they own the team, you are simply a guy that punches a clock and gets paid a lot to do it. Name 1 player the NFL couldn't lose and still carry on? Peyton may be the face of the NFL but life would go on without him, easily I might add in the NFL. No one other than Patsfans missed Brady in 2008.

Sure the players are important but there is always soemone behind you that will take your spot if you don't agree to the terms in place. No player is bigger than the league.

3. Ticket prices and the cost of going to a football game needs to at least be looked at. It sux that the best seats are gobbled up by corporations in every town and owners have turned going to a football game into a form of luxury. They already charge us for the Sunday Ticket, and I understand it drives their cash flow but this economy has really shaken a lot of people and I think the real fans lose out by not being able to afford an NFL ticket.

At least have some $15-25 seats in the 2nd level boonies for folks. Some stadiums do this, some don't, Jerry was genius with the standing room party zone in that space station he built.

 

[Sleeping King]

All good points. One that I would like to see (that will never happen) is your season ticket prices fluctuating on how competitively your team spends and/or the performance on the field.

IE=5 years of missed playoffs=25% reduction on season ticket cost

Doing what Carolina/Tampa are doing by shedding payroll=reduced ticket cost