Toilet Bowl Poll -- Seeding (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

In a 12 team dynasty league where 6 teams makes the playoffs and 6 don't, how should byes be determined in a toilet bowl where the toilet bowl winner gets $$$ (and not a draft pick)? Should the byes go to the last 2 teams (11th and 12th place)? Or should they go to the 7th and 8th place teams?

Feel free to expound on why you feel the way you do.

 

[Jerry Curl]

The point is to benefit the worse teams in this and keep them competetive not just in the season but since its a dynasty for years to come, why wouldnt it be the 11 and 12 teams?

 

[shadyridr]

7th and 8th of course

 

[pennystock]

7th and 8th to avoid tanking towards the end of the regular season.

 

[shadyridr]

7th and 8th to avoid tanking towards the end of the regular season.

exactly. I dont know why this is even a question

 

[drunken slob]

Jerry Curl, on 04 Dec 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:The point is to benefit the worse teams in this and keep them competetive not just in the season but since its a dynasty for years to come, why wouldnt it be the 11 and 12 teams?

 

[doowain]

When money is involved why should the two worst teams in the league be given an easier path towards money than the two teams that just missed the playoffs?

I can see the 11 and 12 getting the byes if a draft pick is the reward. But money.... Uh no.

 

[doowain]

The point is to benefit the worse teams in this and keep them competetive not just in the season but since its a dynasty for years to come, why wouldnt it be the 11 and 12 teams?

Wrong.

How does $$ keep the 11 or 12 "more competitive for years to come"? That makes no sense.

 

[Gottabesweet]

We do 1.1 for the Toliet Bowl winner - keeps everyone competitve trying to make not only the real playoffs 6/12 but if they just miss trying they get rewarded with a 7 or 8 seed and bye.

I also count wins for the toliet bowl playoffs in the standings - it's worked pretty well this way.

Teams that trade away their picks - have to set their best lineup possible.

We used to give money for the Toliet Bowl winner but it wasn't enough to have people still tank it for the 1.1 pick.

I'm happy with it and everyone thinks they have a chance at winning 2-3 games for 1.1

 

[Evilgrin 72]

You guys have teams that don't make the playoffs? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! :duffmanthrust:

 

[Deamon]

Ya this seems pointless... how on earth can you give the last two teams a better shot at making money then teams 7 and 8? You're going to get tons of teams tanking at end of season when there's money on the line for doing so, and it's going to hurt the league. Silly.

 

[C & C]

I voted 11-12th at first then changed to 7-8. I didn't read the OP closely enough the first time. Without 1.01 being up for grabs and it just being cash, then it should be 7-8.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

In a 12 team dynasty league where 6 teams makes the playoffs and 6 don't, how should byes be determined in a toilet bowl where the toilet bowl winner gets $$$ (and not a draft pick)? Should the byes go to the last 2 teams (11th and 12th place)? Or should they go to the 7th and 8th place teams?

Feel free to expound on why you feel the way you do.

Maybe it's me, but I think the whole concept of a bye is pretty silly when you're talking about non-playoff teams.

I'd dispense with the H2H altogether until the finals. Let teams #7 through #12 play out weeks 14-15 as one group and take the two highest combined point totals as the TB finalists.

 

[lsutigers]

In the one non-auction dynasty money league I commish (12 team), 7 make the main playoffs, 5 make the toilet bowl.

The 8th team is the 1st seed and the 12th team is the 5th seed in the toilet bowl.

4 (11th place) and 5 (12th place) play in week 1 of toilet bowl with other 3 teams getting a bye.

Have to discourage tanking. 12th place team still won 1.01 two years ago, and 1.03 last year.

In money situation, would be even more weighted towards top toilet bowl seeds.

 

[CalBear]

We throw in the two losers of the main playoff bracket, and make it a three-week, 8-team tournament from weeks 15-17.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Our league does it with the top two division winners gets byes for the main draw and the 7th and 8th seeds gets byes for the toilet bowl draw. It didn't prevent the bottom team from clearly tanking though so I'm wide open for suggestions.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Our Toilet Bowl winner gets the #1 pick in a shallow keeper the following year. So 7/8 get byes.

 

[stlrams]

No byes for anyone in consulation bracket. 12 team league with 6 teams making playoffs. The 6 teams in consulation bracket play in a 3 week round robin format. Best record with points as tie breaker for $100...

 

[steveski]

I'll admit that this is for redraft and I know it's different for dynasty, but my league drafts the following year based on how you finished. It discourages tanking though. The following is your draft position based on how you finish in the playoffs/consolation:

Champion: 12

Runner Up: 11

Winner of 3rd/4th place game: 10 (wins money)

Loser of 3rd/4th place game: 9

Winner of 5th/6th place game: 7 (no money but better draft position than losing to avoid tanking)

Loser of 5th/6th place game: 8

Then the conolation bracket goes opposite, the better you finish the better your pick. Winner of the consolation gets 1st pick and person finishing last gets the 6th pick.

It works great in redraft because every game means something down to the end even if it's very little. It's better than people in the 5th/6th place games tanking to get a better draft spot the following year. I do realize that this probably wouldn't work great in dynasty because the really bad teams would only get the 5th or 6th pick every year when they should be getting 1st. Personally in dynasty I don't think there should be a consolation bracket and the teams that didn't make the playoffs should be seeded based on POTENTIAL points for the year. Again, to discourage tanking at the end of the season.

 

[LBH]

If it was for a draft pick i wouldve voted 11,12 get byes but for money its gotta be 7,8

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

When money is involved why should the two worst teams in the league be given an easier path towards money than the two teams that just missed the playoffs?

I can see the 11 and 12 getting the byes if a draft pick is the reward. But money.... Uh no.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

One fun wrinkle we have in our toilet bowl tournament is that the highest seed in each round gets to call out their opponent for that week rather than just have a straight seeding.

Anything to add trash talk is a good thing

 

[Spike]

We do 1.1 for the Toliet Bowl winner - keeps everyone competitve trying to make not only the real playoffs 6/12 but if they just miss trying they get rewarded with a 7 or 8 seed and bye.

I also count wins for the toliet bowl playoffs in the standings - it's worked pretty well this way.

Teams that trade away their picks - have to set their best lineup possible.

We used to give money for the Toliet Bowl winner but it wasn't enough to have people still tank it for the 1.1 pick.

I'm happy with it and everyone thinks they have a chance at winning 2-3 games for 1.1

I don't like this because I feel this means the worst teams essentially will never have a real chance at 1.01.

 

[Gottabesweet]

We do 1.1 for the Toliet Bowl winner - keeps everyone competitve trying to make not only the real playoffs 6/12 but if they just miss trying they get rewarded with a 7 or 8 seed and bye.

I also count wins for the toliet bowl playoffs in the standings - it's worked pretty well this way.

Teams that trade away their picks - have to set their best lineup possible.

We used to give money for the Toliet Bowl winner but it wasn't enough to have people still tank it for the 1.1 pick.

I'm happy with it and everyone thinks they have a chance at winning 2-3 games for 1.1

I don't like this because I feel this means the worst teams essentially will never have a real chance at 1.01.

They still end up picking 2 and over the past few years it really hasn't made a big difference.

T. Austin went 1.1 - Benard 1.2

The Luck year.... Martin went 1, RG3 went 2, Richardson 3, Luck 4

The worst seed has also won a few times.

It basically gives the owner choice and has worked well for us keeping everyone involved.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

We do 1.1 for the Toliet Bowl winner - keeps everyone competitve trying to make not only the real playoffs 6/12 but if they just miss trying they get rewarded with a 7 or 8 seed and bye.

I also count wins for the toliet bowl playoffs in the standings - it's worked pretty well this way.

Teams that trade away their picks - have to set their best lineup possible.

We used to give money for the Toliet Bowl winner but it wasn't enough to have people still tank it for the 1.1 pick.

I'm happy with it and everyone thinks they have a chance at winning 2-3 games for 1.1

I don't like this because I feel this means the worst teams essentially will never have a real chance at 1.01.

They still end up picking 2 and over the past few years it really hasn't made a big difference.

T. Austin went 1.1 - Benard 1.2

The Luck year.... Martin went 1, RG3 went 2, Richardson 3, Luck 4

The worst seed has also won a few times.

It basically gives the owner choice and has worked well for us keeping everyone involved.

If it works for you, great, but put me down as someone else who doesn't really like the idea.

What I've found is that most dynasty leagues basically resemble the English Premier League in terms of year-to-year performance.

In the 20-team EPL you've got 4-5 teams that are realistic title contenders every single year; 4-5 teams that are just fighting to avoid relegation; and a big group of 10-12 teams in the middle. Every few years one of the middle teams will rise up and steal a place in the Champions League or even win a title ... or they'll get a perfect storm of injuries and poor play and find themselves unexpectedly relegated ... but for the most part you could do just as well predicting the 6th- through 14th-place finishers by drawing club names out of a hat.

Likewise, in almost every (let's say 12-team) dynasty league, 2-3 of the teams will be powerhouses with great odds of winning a title; 2-3 teams will be no-hopers battling for the cellar; and the other 6-8 will be in a big blob in the middle.

And with 6 playoff teams, that means your TB winner usually won't be a really bad team that suddenly rises up to the challenge; it'll be the 4th- or 5th-most talented team, that missed the playoffs only because they caught a few bad breaks during the season. IMO those really aren't the kinds of teams you want to be rewarding with an asset as valuable as the 1.01.

 

[Gottabesweet]

We do 1.1 for the Toliet Bowl winner - keeps everyone competitve trying to make not only the real playoffs 6/12 but if they just miss trying they get rewarded with a 7 or 8 seed and bye.

I also count wins for the toliet bowl playoffs in the standings - it's worked pretty well this way.

Teams that trade away their picks - have to set their best lineup possible.

We used to give money for the Toliet Bowl winner but it wasn't enough to have people still tank it for the 1.1 pick.

I'm happy with it and everyone thinks they have a chance at winning 2-3 games for 1.1

I don't like this because I feel this means the worst teams essentially will never have a real chance at 1.01.

They still end up picking 2 and over the past few years it really hasn't made a big difference.

T. Austin went 1.1 - Benard 1.2

The Luck year.... Martin went 1, RG3 went 2, Richardson 3, Luck 4

The worst seed has also won a few times.

It basically gives the owner choice and has worked well for us keeping everyone involved.

If it works for you, great, but put me down as someone else who doesn't really like the idea.

What I've found is that most dynasty leagues basically resemble the English Premier League in terms of year-to-year performance.

In the 20-team EPL you've got 4-5 teams that are realistic title contenders every single year; 4-5 teams that are just fighting to avoid relegation; and a big group of 10-12 teams in the middle. Every few years one of the middle teams will rise up and steal a place in the Champions League or even win a title ... or they'll get a perfect storm of injuries and poor play and find themselves unexpectedly relegated ... but for the most part you could do just as well predicting the 6th- through 14th-place finishers by drawing club names out of a hat.

Likewise, in almost every (let's say 12-team) dynasty league, 2-3 of the teams will be powerhouses with great odds of winning a title; 2-3 teams will be no-hopers battling for the cellar; and the other 6-8 will be in a big blob in the middle.

And with 6 playoff teams, that means your TB winner usually won't be a really bad team that suddenly rises up to the challenge; it'll be the 4th- or 5th-most talented team, that missed the playoffs only because they caught a few bad breaks during the season. IMO those really aren't the kinds of teams you want to be rewarding with an asset as valuable as the 1.01.

We have 4 teams that i'd say can win it every year

and then one very bad team and then 7 teams fighting for 2 spots.

Much like the NFL this year... Den,GB,NE, SEA

and then possible a team to get hot...