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Tonight begins the end of Kerry Collins in Tennessee (2 Viewers)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!

The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him.

This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?

If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.

 
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It doesn't matter how good Collins is compared to the rest of the NFL. He is far and away the best QB on the Titans roster. End of story.

Oh, and I'm very confident Collins would be able to exploit R. Moss' ability.

 
I dont think he is all that great a QB but he does what the coach asks of him. Titans arent a team that are trying to beat you deep, the try to beat you with the run game and their defense.

 
Love him or hate him, his stats speak for themselves.

3160 career complete passes - 3rd among active QBs, 11th all-time

5669 career pass attempts - 3rd among active QBs, 9th all-time

37,393 career passing yards - 3rd among active QBs, 14th all-time

210.1 career passing yards per game - 24th all-time

17.8 career passes completed per game - 24th all-time

31.8 career pass attempts per game - 15th all-time

But of course, the one that might stick out when it is all said and done:

127 career fumbles - 2nd among active QBs, 5th all-time

 
Ministry of Pain said:
People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him. This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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I think this speaks to how low the coaching staff must be on Vince Young. In week 1 vs Jacksonville last year he looked terrible. He was getting booed by the fans and the coaches had to convince him to go back on the field. They were losing the whole game and then he got hurt. Collins came in (and if i remember correctly) threw a 20 yard pass to Bo Scaife that turned into a long, game winning touchdown.I may be slightly biased because i always felt Vince Young would bust in the nfl, but they can't be too confident in his ablities if they are starting a bottom 10 quarterback in the nfl over there supposed "franchise quarterback."
 
Ministry of Pain said:
People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!

The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him.

This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?

If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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In no particular order:Pennington

Cassel

Edwards

Bulger

Russell

Hill

Sanchez

Garrard

Delhomme

Quinn

Orton

Stafford

Leftwich

MOP,believe me I would love to have a real stud QB instead of Collins but sometimes when life gives you lemons you make lemonade.

 
jurb26 said:
It doesn't matter how good Collins is compared to the rest of the NFL. He is far and away the best QB on the Titans roster. End of story.Oh, and I'm very confident Collins would be able to exploit R. Moss' ability.
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Collins wasn't able to exploit Moss' ability in Oakland. At least not to the degree that Culpepper did before him, and Brady and even Cassell has done after him.
 
Jewell said:
jurb26 said:
It doesn't matter how good Collins is compared to the rest of the NFL. He is far and away the best QB on the Titans roster. End of story.Oh, and I'm very confident Collins would be able to exploit R. Moss' ability.
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Collins wasn't able to exploit Moss' ability in Oakland. At least not to the degree that Culpepper did before him, and Brady and even Cassell has done after him.
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Did you see the play calling the fantastic Oak coaching staff tried to use?
 
gpthatsme said:
Love him or hate him, his stats speak for themselves.3160 career complete passes - 3rd among active QBs, 11th all-time5669 career pass attempts - 3rd among active QBs, 9th all-time37,393 career passing yards - 3rd among active QBs, 14th all-time210.1 career passing yards per game - 24th all-time17.8 career passes completed per game - 24th all-time31.8 career pass attempts per game - 15th all-timeBut of course, the one that might stick out when it is all said and done:127 career fumbles - 2nd among active QBs, 5th all-time
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He throws a lot.He's one of the all time leaders in incompletions.When he does manage to complete a pass, it's shorter than most of his peers.
 
supermark_28 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!

The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him.

This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?

If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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In no particular order:Pennington

Cassel

Edwards

Bulger

Russell

Hill

Sanchez

Garrard

Delhomme

Quinn

Orton

Stafford

Leftwich

MOP,believe me I would love to have a real stud QB instead of Collins but sometimes when life gives you lemons you make lemonade.
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Pennington and Delhomme don't belong anywhere on that list.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
supermark_28 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!

The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him.

This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?

If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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In no particular order:Pennington

Cassel

Edwards

Bulger

Russell

Hill

Sanchez

Garrard

Delhomme

Quinn

Orton

Stafford

Leftwich

MOP,believe me I would love to have a real stud QB instead of Collins but sometimes when life gives you lemons you make lemonade.
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Pennington and Delhomme don't belong anywhere on that list.
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I would have a hard time picking Collins over Penny. I wouldn't think twice about picking Collins over Delhomme though. Delhomme is awful.
 
Trent Dilfer wasn't a very good qb either, but he got Baltimore through the Super Bowl. If Collins does what is asked (maintain the game and not make stupid mistakes), I see no reason why he can't do the same. Of course, he'll need the defense to play lights out for him and they'll need Chris Johnson and Lendale White to step up and do some damage with the rushing game.

 
BassNBrew said:
gpthatsme said:
Love him or hate him, his stats speak for themselves.

3160 career complete passes - 3rd among active QBs, 11th all-time

5669 career pass attempts - 3rd among active QBs, 9th all-time

37,393 career passing yards - 3rd among active QBs, 14th all-time

210.1 career passing yards per game - 24th all-time

17.8 career passes completed per game - 24th all-time

31.8 career pass attempts per game - 15th all-time

But of course, the one that might stick out when it is all said and done:

127 career fumbles - 2nd among active QBs, 5th all-time
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He throws a lot.He's one of the all time leaders in incompletions.

When he does manage to complete a pass, it's shorter than most of his peers.
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He throws a lot, and he has thrown a lot. Once again, us fans may not be too thrilled with him, but obviously there are coaches who continue to give him opportunities. I typically consider those coaches far smarter than us when it comes to personnel decisions.
 
well, for sure, the end of the Tim McGraw era. HORRIBLE.

I hope you're right, playin' the Steeler D tonight and lookin' for mayhem...

 
Ministry of Pain said:
If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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First of all, there aren't 32 good starting NFL QB's. I'd be hard pressed to name 20. Second of all, there are some things that Collins did well last year. He didn't turn the ball over (7 INTs and 0 FL). He also didn't take sacks - only 8 all season. You'll have to go back a long way to find a QB that displayed that kind of ball security. By comparison, Favre threw 22 picks and had 5 fumbles. Would the Titans have won 13 regular season games with him at the helm? Doubtful.Guys that he is flat out better than, this year:BulgerCampbellLeftwichQuinnHillPennington - close callCampbellOrtonThen there are guys like the rooks, Stafford & Sanchez, and other young guys like Edwards & JaMarcus who may be twice the QB that Collins is - but likely won't be.
 
gonzobill5 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.
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First of all, there aren't 32 good starting NFL QB's. I'd be hard pressed to name 20. Second of all, there are some things that Collins did well last year. He didn't turn the ball over (7 INTs and 0 FL). He also didn't take sacks - only 8 all season. You'll have to go back a long way to find a QB that displayed that kind of ball security. By comparison, Favre threw 22 picks and had 5 fumbles. Would the Titans have won 13 regular season games with him at the helm? Doubtful.Guys that he is flat out better than, this year:BulgerCampbellLeftwichQuinnHillPennington - close callCampbellOrtonThen there are guys like the rooks, Stafford & Sanchez, and other young guys like Edwards & JaMarcus who may be twice the QB that Collins is - but likely won't be.
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I guess he is twice as good as Campbell....
 
Incredible INT by Polamalu aside.. if Collins goes for 250 yards tonight can we change the OP's password and not tell him?

 
gpthatsme said:
Love him or hate him, his stats speak for themselves.3160 career complete passes - 3rd among active QBs, 11th all-time5669 career pass attempts - 3rd among active QBs, 9th all-time37,393 career passing yards - 3rd among active QBs, 14th all-time210.1 career passing yards per game - 24th all-time17.8 career passes completed per game - 24th all-time31.8 career pass attempts per game - 15th all-timeBut of course, the one that might stick out when it is all said and done:127 career fumbles - 2nd among active QBs, 5th all-time
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Don't forget 179 (now 180) career INTs, 2nd among active QBs, 34th all time. 79-85 as a starter, 186 TDs, 179 INTs. Would be the definition of a mediocre compiler if Vinny Testaverde hadn't beat him to it.
 
CalBear said:
gpthatsme said:
Love him or hate him, his stats speak for themselves.3160 career complete passes - 3rd among active QBs, 11th all-time5669 career pass attempts - 3rd among active QBs, 9th all-time37,393 career passing yards - 3rd among active QBs, 14th all-time210.1 career passing yards per game - 24th all-time17.8 career passes completed per game - 24th all-time31.8 career pass attempts per game - 15th all-timeBut of course, the one that might stick out when it is all said and done:127 career fumbles - 2nd among active QBs, 5th all-time
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Don't forget 179 (now 180) career INTs, 2nd among active QBs, 34th all time. 79-85 as a starter, 186 TDs, 179 INTs. Would be the definition of a mediocre compiler if Vinny Testaverde hadn't beat him to it.
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Turn on your TV and start watching him right now. Who cares if he has a 79-85 record as a starter, he is moving the ball well against the Steeler secondary, lighting up receivers all game long. Now the running and kicking games are another story.. :thumbdown:
 
give him credit though-- he is hanging tough against a tremendous def... He looks better than wonderboy Ben Roth to me

 
KingEl said:
give him credit though-- he is hanging tough against a tremendous def... He looks better than wonderboy Ben Roth to me
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Exactly. He won't light up the scoreboard or connect on the 35 yard pass often, but he hits his receivers on the hands, makes 1st downs, and doesn't make many mistakes. I am putting the interception on Britt and also just a sick play by Polamalu
 
to be fair that long throw to britt was horribly thrown...a good ten yards short. had he actually thrown it where a real QB would have he would have ran untouched for a TD...but he had to slow down so much the D caught up with him. It's horribly obvious that Collins can't throw the ball very far at all...so as long as they can keep the passing in the 5-15 yard range, he'll do okay i guess.

 
MSULions said:
to be fair that long throw to britt was horribly thrown...a good ten yards short. had he actually thrown it where a real QB would have he would have ran untouched for a TD...but he had to slow down so much the D caught up with him. It's horribly obvious that Collins can't throw the ball very far at all...so as long as they can keep the passing in the 5-15 yard range, he'll do okay i guess.
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I've never heard anyone complain about Collins not having a strong arm. Careless with the ball, yes. Too many sacks, yes. Poor decisions, sometimes. But never heard he had a weak arm...
 
MSULions said:
to be fair that long throw to britt was horribly thrown...a good ten yards short. had he actually thrown it where a real QB would have he would have ran untouched for a TD...but he had to slow down so much the D caught up with him. It's horribly obvious that Collins can't throw the ball very far at all...so as long as they can keep the passing in the 5-15 yard range, he'll do okay i guess.
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How long was the TD pass? I missed it.
 
Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count.

Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.
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How would you say Ben is fairing?
 
There's very few QB's who can shred the Pitts def... Give him credit.. he's doing his job pretty well out there... He has limitations,, but your "beginning of the end" prediction is far from happening.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.
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:lmao: o.k.
 
KingEl said:
There's very few QB's who can shred the Pitts def... Give him credit.. he's doing his job pretty well out there... He has limitations,, but your "beginning of the end" prediction is far from happening.
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It's an embarrassingly bad prediction.
 
I'm struggling to think of any drives he has impeded with his accuracy, unless you count the freakish INT made by the best DB in the league. He looks like a pro out there, standing tall in the pocket when he knows he's getting hit, he's really taken a beating out there and made Tennessee's pass catchers look competent.

 
finito said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.
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How would you say Ben is fairing?
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Comparing a future HoF Qb to a journeyman, why would you do this?
 
There's still almost an entire half left. Let's see if KC is going to go for 360 and 2-3 TDs or if he slowly goes South the rest of the way and has a late turnover or two.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
finito said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.
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How would you say Ben is fairing?
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Comparing a future HoF Qb to a journeyman, why would you do this?
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Because they're both on the same field?
 
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