Tonight begins the end of Kerry Collins in Tennessee (4 Viewers)

[TenTimes]

Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.

How would you say Ben is fairing?

Comparing a future HoF Qb to a journeyman, why would you do this?

Why would you say that a very good game manager who is very good at doing what the Titans offense asks him to is ending his career tonight?!IMO it's one of two things.. you think you are on to something, or you are whoring yourself for attention. You've been exposed. Stick to RBs. Atleast people will entertain your words there.PS- please don't go MOP on me for telling the truth

 

[Phase of the Game]

Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.

How would you say Ben is fairing?

Comparing a future HoF Qb to a journeyman, why would you do this?

What is wrong with you lately? Now you think Ben is going to be in the HOF. Tell us more why you think that will happen.

 

[Truman]

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

 

[TenTimes]

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

Whoa.. all this time I thought you were Dentist and wondering what you were doing in a MOP incompetency thread. Then I checked the username.

 

[Truman]

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

Whoa.. all this time I thought you were Dentist

RIP

 

[lod01]

Collins looks solid.

 

[lod01]

Tonight appears to be the end of MOP.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He certainly hasn't stunk, far from that...however I will point out quite a bit of his offense being after TP left the game. Steelers D should still be tough enough but that was when the drive with a lot of his stats came on right before the half. So be it.

Alright, next week is the week that begins the end of Kerry Collins in Tennessee. I really am surprised so many people defend KC, but again so be it.

And to the haters...guys...take a chance and make a thread. I made what I thought would happen tonight and I might end up being wrong...Won't be the first time, won't be the last time. But I'd rather have an actual opinion or take, again if I'm wrong so be it.

 

[mdog1967]

People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him. This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.

 

[TenTimes]

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

Whoa.. all this time I thought you were Dentist

RIP

Wait... Shiny and now Dentist too?!

 

[TenTimes]

And to the haters...guys...take a chance and make a thread.

I would, but I'm not an attention whore. I just watch the games and make a casual meaningless observation every now and then. Which is far better than your "look at me I'm making a bold prediction for the sake of it". But if it makes you happy then keep on "taking chances"

 

[Truman]

Tentimes: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=485482

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

Whoa.. all this time I thought you were Dentist

RIP

Wait... Shiny and now Dentist too?!

the guy behind the name is fine, it's the username that is RIP

 

[TenTimes]

Tentimes: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=485482

Imagine if Justin Gage could catch.

My heroes are crumbling but major props on being true to yourself sorry for not following you in the FFA as well as I should be

 

[mdog1967]

I dont think he is all that great a QB but he does what the coach asks of him. Titans arent a team that are trying to beat you deep, the try to beat you with the run game and their defense.

So did NE until they got Randy Moss and Wes Welker

What is wrong with you and this Kerry Collins Baloney, these are the QB's I start Kerry Collins over in the NFL not FFBL;1. Eli manning - Sucks2. Ben Rothelsburger - Holds on to the ball way too long, tough but still not a great QB and i would Rather Have Collins, throw the damn ball.3. Romo - Soft4. Shaun Hill or SF's Anybody5. Pennigton - Noodle arm6. Edwards - Terrible7. Orton - Ditto8. Oaklands Anybody9. Tampa's anybody10. KC's Anybody11. Cleveland's Anybody12. Detroits Anybody13. Farve, JacksonThats at least 13 plus Qb's including Franchises that Not even Collins could help, Much better than Roth Or Manning so the worst, not by a long shot. I would take Collins over anyone listed or on any team's squad of QB's.

 

[joffer]

I dont think he is all that great a QB but he does what the coach asks of him. Titans arent a team that are trying to beat you deep, the try to beat you with the run game and their defense.

So did NE until they got Randy Moss and Wes Welker

What is wrong with you and this Kerry Collins Baloney, these are the QB's I start Kerry Collins over in the NFL not FFBL;1. Eli manning - Sucks2. Ben Rothelsburger - Holds on to the ball way too long, tough but still not a great QB and i would Rather Have Collins, throw the damn ball.3. Romo - SoftThats at least 13 plus Qb's including Franchises that Not even Collins could help, Much better than Roth Or Manning so the worst, not by a long shot. I would take Collins over anyone listed or on any team's squad of QB's.

you had to go too far, didn't you? as if this thread wasn't bad enough.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Tonight begins the end of Kerry Collins calling tails for the OT coin flip in Tennessee.

Or anywhere for that matter.

 

[TenTimes]

Incredible INT by Polamalu aside.. if Collins goes for 250 yards tonight can we change the OP's password and not tell him?

Collins got to 244. Can we have the OP only make posts about runningbacks and call it even? I wouldn't miss threads like this one.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And to the haters...guys...take a chance and make a thread.

I would, but I'm not an attention whore. I just watch the games and make a casual meaningless observation every now and then. Which is far better than your "look at me I'm making a bold prediction for the sake of it". But if it makes you happy then keep on "taking chances"

Oh really? Posts 21, 23, 25, 28, 35, 36, 44...I'm sure you were done at that point right? Wait...posts 51, 54, 60, 61, 64, 68...good luck have a great rest of the weekend.

 

[awesomeness]

MOP's on the money once again. Guy's the best in the biz....

 

[timschochet]

2. Ben Rothelsburger - Holds on to the ball way too long, tough but still not a great QB and i would Rather Have Collins, throw the damn ball.

I see. So if you were the GM of the Titans, and the Steelers offered you a straight up trade, Big Ben for Collins, you'd reject it, right?

 

[TenTimes]

And to the haters...guys...take a chance and make a thread.

I would, but I'm not an attention whore. I just watch the games and make a casual meaningless observation every now and then. Which is far better than your "look at me I'm making a bold prediction for the sake of it". But if it makes you happy then keep on "taking chances"

Oh really? Posts 21, 23, 25, 28, 35, 36, 44...I'm sure you were done at that point right? Wait...posts 51, 54, 60, 61, 64, 68...good luck have a great rest of the weekend.

Hey, I didn't start this thread, I'm just responding to all of your WRONG!!!

 

[TenTimes]

Discalaimer- I'm a Titans homer, and I am a little drunk, so if I've been offensive.... I'll probably be sorry i the morning. But right now I'm proud my boy Collins proved another fool wrong.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

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you're in elite company, you only share the title with one other, and you've been a member for quite some time.

 

[awesomeness]

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you're in elite company, you only share the title with one other, and you've been a member for quite some time.

 

[Rovers]

Hard to figure the chit storm directed at MoP here... while I don't agree with him, some people seem an ax to grind, that much is obvious. Turn the flame down. No need to make this forum no more than trash talk.

Back on topic, given the make up of the Titans, Collins is a pretty good fit. He still has an arm, doesn't make too many bad mistakes. Sure, he can miss a target, but so can any NFL QB. At least he can get the ball deep... and as a Jets fan, that is why I'd take KC over Pennigton. I liked Pennington, but that arm.... I'd take Collins.

Having said that, Collins would not work on a lot of teams, on Tenn he does work out. Pitt is a bad matchup for the Titans... they want to run the ball, and the Steelers are a very good run D. Still, he had a decent night. If Bironas doesn't flop on two short kicks... the Titans win that game.

 

[ryoly]

The news about Kerry Collins' demise are greatly exxaggerated.....

 

[Blue-Kun]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

 

[CalBear]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

Collins looked better than Ben? Ben led a successful 2-minute drill at the end of the first half, an 8-minute drive in the fourth quarter to tie it up, led a drive with less than 2 minutes left that would have won the game if not for a Ward fumble, and led the game-winning drive in OT. All of this without a running game. Collins, with a chance to win the game, threw three straight incompletions.

 

[Blue-Kun]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

Collins looked better than Ben? Ben led a successful 2-minute drill at the end of the first half, an 8-minute drive in the fourth quarter to tie it up, led a drive with less than 2 minutes left that would have won the game if not for a Ward fumble, and led the game-winning drive in OT. All of this without a running game. Collins, with a chance to win the game, threw three straight incompletions.

Ben led a successful 2-minute drill at the end of the first half

And Collins in that same time-frame led a drive that scored in what? 3 plays in 34 seconds?

led a drive with less than 2 minutes left that would have won the game if not for a Ward fumble

Collins had multiple drives early on that put up nothing because Bironas was missing chip-shot FG's.

All of this without a running game.

In the 2nd half Chris Johnson and LenDale were complete non-factors. Ben's interception was just ugly. The one Fuller caught was thrown right too him and Ben clearly overthrew his receiver. Collins did throw an INT, but it was more Polamalu going Polamalu than anything else. He did a great job getting that ball.Ben had more yardage, but most of the extra came from having the ball in OT. He also took multiple sacks throughout the game, while Collins consistently dumped the ball off when facing pressure.I'm not saying Collins blew Ben away, but I'm hard pressed to see how Ben looked better in that game. At worst I think they played about equally.

 

[deadRED]

i thought Collins did a good job of handling the blitz and not making bad choices. He also showed he still has

a very good arm. Pittsburgh came after him alot and he handled it by staying calm.

If he would have started trying to force things, that game would have been over early.

At Pittsburgh on opening night, tough environment.

I don't understand the Collins hate.

 

[ericttspikes]

I thought Collins looked pretty solid. 2 big Gage drops really hurt. I did see some sports where the legs of VY would of come in handy. Kind of surprised they didn't have any packages for Young. That last drive for Tenn was really awful.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

Didn't Ben rip off 12 straight towards the ned, lead his team to victory, and throw for over 350+ yds? Did I watch the same game? Say what you want about KC but he didn't win the game and really didn't do a lot to win the game...OK maybe he didn't lose the game but he is not the guy i would want under center. i take Big ben anyday...in fact I think BB is likely a top3-5 at his position. not in terms of pure stats, but leadership and so on he is way up there. 2 rings to boot too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

Collins looked better than Ben? Ben led a successful 2-minute drill at the end of the first half, an 8-minute drive in the fourth quarter to tie it up, led a drive with less than 2 minutes left that would have won the game if not for a Ward fumble, and led the game-winning drive in OT. All of this without a running game. Collins, with a chance to win the game, threw three straight incompletions.

Exactly!!!244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tennessee scores 10 points and everyone thinks that was a solid job...cool.

 

[Short Corner]

Hey TT, calm down there buddy, was too busy watching the game not just watching the box score and padding my post count. Seriously though Collins was way short on that pass to Britt. I don't see where Collins is lighting up receivers all over the place. Polomalu out will help. He was shut down and then the Safety replacement is late to the party and suddenly TN scores. But far from Collins shredding the defense though.

How would you say Ben is fairing?

Comparing a future HoF Qb to a journeyman, why would you do this?

Because they're both on the same field?

 

[renesauz]

I thought Collins looked pretty solid. 2 big Gage drops really hurt. I did see some sports where the legs of VY would of come in handy. Kind of surprised they didn't have any packages for Young. That last drive for Tenn was really awful.

The Gage drops are a bit overstated. In both cases Gage was stretched as far as he could stretch. Call them drops if you want to, but neither was a Terrell Owens, right in the breadbasket drop. Seemed like the guy caught a lot of other better thrown balls last night.FWIW...KC looked fine. He is what he is...a smart veteran with somewhat limited skills. He won't win you many games, but he won't lose you any either. When you have a great running game and a solid defense....that's the right kind of QB to have behind center.

 

[Short Corner]

2. Ben Rothelsburger - Holds on to the ball way too long, tough but still not a great QB and i would Rather Have Collins, throw the damn ball.

I see. So if you were the GM of the Titans, and the Steelers offered you a straight up trade, Big Ben for Collins, you'd reject it, right?

Is this a redraft or a dynasty?

 

[renesauz]

So I guess if Ben and Collins had switched places, Ben's career would be over now. Got it. You made an awful prediction and Collins looked better than Ben did tonight. But this marks the end of Collins career... Well played.

Collins looked better than Ben? Ben led a successful 2-minute drill at the end of the first half, an 8-minute drive in the fourth quarter to tie it up, led a drive with less than 2 minutes left that would have won the game if not for a Ward fumble, and led the game-winning drive in OT. All of this without a running game. Collins, with a chance to win the game, threw three straight incompletions.

Exactly!!!244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

Under pretty significant duress on those incompletions....two were throwaways to avoid sacks! You're better then this MOP.Few would argue that KC is better then BB...but clearly your opening premise is WAAAAAY off.

 

[meanjoegreen]

244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

Pitt won that game because Bironas missed a FG and had another one blocked.

 

[FavreCo]

Wow. You are awful. Here is Collins going up against one of the toughest D's in the business, puts up solid #'s, Bironas fails miserably and you think Collins is the failure. Nice analysis.

In case you didn't notice, had Bironas made just 1 of the 2 attempts, the steelers lose. This loss has zero to do with Collins effort.

Wow, just wow.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Tennessee scores 10 points and everyone thinks that was a solid job...cool.

In fairness, they missed two easy FGs, and had a few key drops. Plus I think the Pitt defense is supposed to be pretty decent as well.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Say what you want about KC but he didn't win the game and really didn't do a lot to win the game...

The passing game is what was keeping the Titans neck and neck in the game last night. Collins did a good job against a great defense. Your hate for him is blinding your rational.

 

[jon_mx]

Ben is a great QB who has a few Super Bowls to prove it. Not the greatest passer ever, but very tough and makes the plays to win games. Collins is a solid QB who won't hurt you. With a great running game and a solid defense, he can take the Titans far. Just don't count on Collins to win the games for you. Fantasy-wise, I would only want Collins as a bye week fill in or for emergencies. I think Ben will emerge as a top 5 fantasy QB this year as their running games sucks. Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward are both startable, probably both in the top 15 range with Santonio Holmes having the most up side.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

Pitt won that game because Bironas missed a FG and had another one blocked.

Pitt didn't win the game? It was all because of the TN PK? You think Pitt would have waited to score till the 4th if they were down a couple scores? You don't think the game would have been completely different? You think every play the rest of the game would have been the same had Bironas made his kicks, is that what you are saying?

 

[FUBAR]

244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

Pitt won that game because Bironas missed a FG and had another one blocked.

Pitt didn't win the game? It was all because of the TN PK? You think Pitt would have waited to score till the 4th if they were down a couple scores? You don't think the game would have been completely different? You think every play the rest of the game would have been the same had Bironas made his kicks, is that what you are saying?

cool, so we're speculating that Pittsburgh would have actually harder tried to score? Collins didn't play great didn't play horribly, he did about what we expect from him. He surely isn't the future of the franchise, but he's not done yet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

 

[FUBAR]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

for this and perhaps next year, he'll be leading them to the playoffs.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

244 yds and a TD are OK in terms of FF, but if you really analyzed the game from an NFL perspective, Ben was clearly the better QB last night and the reason why Pitt won that game.

Pitt won that game because Bironas missed a FG and had another one blocked.

Pitt didn't win the game? It was all because of the TN PK? You think Pitt would have waited to score till the 4th if they were down a couple scores? You don't think the game would have been completely different? You think every play the rest of the game would have been the same had Bironas made his kicks, is that what you are saying?

cool, so we're speculating that Pittsburgh would have actually harder tried to score? Collins didn't play great didn't play horribly, he did about what we expect from him. He surely isn't the future of the franchise, but he's not done yet.

I'm saying that if Pitt had fallen behind by 2 scores or something early on, that the shotgun Big ben was in during the 4th quarter might have been rolled out earlier. You can't assume that the missed kicks are the only reason TN doesn't win the game. How come Collins couldn't finish drives?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

for this and perhaps next year, he'll be leading them to the playoffs.

So far you're winless this season.