Tonight begins the end of Kerry Collins in Tennessee (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

MOP...this post is closer to the target, but I think you've still missed the key point.NOBODY (with half a brain) is trying to suggest that KC belongs among the league's elite QB's. Only a handful of knuckleheads would even suggest he's in the top half 2/3 of NFL starting QB's, but you implied that he didn't belong in the NFL (as a starter) at all in your opening post...and that statement was simply ludicrous.

KC is a perfect fit for Tennessee...a smart vet who doesn't make mistakes to lose a game. He isn't flashy, he isn't exciting. He's not likely to pick the team up on his shoulders and will it to victory...but he won't throw 5 interceptions in a playoff game either...EVER.

On a team like Tenn, he fits better then a Romo or Roethlisberger does...but he'd fail miserably in Dallas, Philly, or any other team that relies on the pass more. Tennessee has a GREAT running game and a solid defense...they need a smart no mistakes kind of QB, and KC fits that description.

 

[joffer]

The news about Kerry Collins' demise are greatly exxaggerated.....

Adam Schefter is tweeting that MOP is reporting that last night was the beginning of the end for Kerry Collins in Tennessee. stay tuned for more updates.... at still trying to defend this thread

 

[Ray_T]

well, he looked pretty decent against a tough Pittsburgh defense.

I agree he didnt set the world on fire, but there are far better QB's who will put up numbers that dont approach what he did against that defense last night.

personally I didnt think he was on the bubble, but if he was, I'd say he just earned a couple more starts based on last nights performance.

 

[billygoat]

Wow. You are awful. Here is Collins going up against one of the toughest D's in the business, puts up solid #'s, Bironas fails miserably and you think Collins is the failure. Nice analysis.In case you didn't notice, had Bironas made just 1 of the 2 attempts, the steelers lose. This loss has zero to do with Collins effort.Wow, just wow.

Ooh ooh! I love "IF" games. Let's see, you came with "IF" bironas made one of the FGs the titans would have won. I'll come back with "IF" Ward didn't fumble the steelers could, might, maybe, have scored a TD and won. Your turn.

 

[Ray_T]

Wow. You are awful. Here is Collins going up against one of the toughest D's in the business, puts up solid #'s, Bironas fails miserably and you think Collins is the failure. Nice analysis.In case you didn't notice, had Bironas made just 1 of the 2 attempts, the steelers lose. This loss has zero to do with Collins effort.Wow, just wow.

Ooh ooh! I love "IF" games. Let's see, you came with "IF" bironas made one of the FGs the titans would have won. I'll come back with "IF" Ward didn't fumble the steelers could, might, maybe, have scored a TD and won. Your turn.

If the titans drafted Peyton Manning and Megatron, they'd have won the super bowl last year and would have won yesterday's game.is that crazy enough for you?

 

[billygoat]

Wow. You are awful. Here is Collins going up against one of the toughest D's in the business, puts up solid #'s, Bironas fails miserably and you think Collins is the failure. Nice analysis.In case you didn't notice, had Bironas made just 1 of the 2 attempts, the steelers lose. This loss has zero to do with Collins effort.Wow, just wow.

Ooh ooh! I love "IF" games. Let's see, you came with "IF" bironas made one of the FGs the titans would have won. I'll come back with "IF" Ward didn't fumble the steelers could, might, maybe, have scored a TD and won. Your turn.

If the titans drafted Peyton Manning and Megatron, they'd have won the super bowl last year and would have won yesterday's game.is that crazy enough for you?

I have to admit that was a good one.

 

[Two Deep]

People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!

The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him.

This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?

If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.

In no particular orderennington

Cassel

Edwards

Bulger

Russell

Hill

Sanchez

Garrard

Delhomme

Quinn

Orton

Stafford

Leftwich

MOP,believe me I would love to have a real stud QB instead of Collins but sometimes when life gives you lemons you make lemonade.

Pennington and Delhomme don't belong anywhere on that list.

Pennington is WAAAAAAAY overrated. I'd probably lean towards Collins.

 

[FUBAR]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

for this and perhaps next year, he'll be leading them to the playoffs.

So far you're winless this season.

Actually, I'm doing quite well. Thanks. The Titans are winless, as are 29 other teams.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

People from all over the place have been on me when I say that Kerry Collins is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. At the very least IMO he is bottom 10 although I lump him further down than that. It amazes me that the Titans are rolling with him as their QB1 going into the season. I believe he was looked over for Vince Young about week 2 in Young's rookie season need I remind anyone...that was 3 seasons ago? Has Kerry Collins who was already getting old suddenly gotten better over the past 3 years? NO!!!The biggest reason I believe Tennessee didn't go farther last year is the QB play. They have a motley crue of WRs but in the end it doesn't matter if they had Randy Moss, because Collins wouldn't be able to exploit him. This is not an indictment of the Titans or their fantastic fans on this board, but I really am amazed that while they have gotten younger in a lot of places, have book end Tackles along the OL, a dynamic 1-2 punch at RB, good young TEs mixed with a vet or two in the TE/WR dept...why oh why will they not part ways with Young and start grooming a succesor quickly. I think we are going to see more of Young than many would like as well. If Collins went down, Young is still the 1st off the bench, right?If you think Collins is a good starting NFL QB, I really would like to hear all the QBs you would start him over because I just don't see it. He can't extend the field, misses guys enough to where it impedes drives, is pretty bland in how he moves about at this point, there is no upside here and it has nothing to do with FF.

Right again, sir!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

for this and perhaps next year, he'll be leading them to the playoffs.

So far you're winless this season.

So far you're winless on this board, stockboy.

 

[renesauz]

Stats don't tell the whole story and you guys know it. Collins couldn't throw th eball deep, totally underthrew Britt on a busted play where Polomalu's replacement was late getting there...it's fine you want to look at the 244/TD and say solid effort, I get it but he was not that big a factor in the game. Did you watch what the QB on the other side did the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter? Can Kerry Collins do that or will his team to a win? The answer seems clear but I think a little too much FFA hate mantra leaked in here and took off like wildfire.

If you watched the game last night you know that KC did not lose the game by any stretch but he didn't do anything to really help the Titans win either. And at the end when the game was hanging in the balance he was throwing incompletions.

There cannot be an arguement that he was better than Big ben, I know there was a post in this thread that implied he was doing better than Ben last night but at the end of the night clearly there was one that was superior to the other. If you can't win a game then what are you doing playing QB?

I don't hate Collins btw...guy has fought thru a lot of adversity, I just think his time has passed and the Titans are fooling themselves thinking he will be able to lead this team back to the playoffs. The team did look good on defense against the run last night. Not sure if the Pitt OL is the best measure but they looked lights out last night.

for this and perhaps next year, he'll be leading them to the playoffs.

So far you're winless this season.

So far you're winless on this board, stockboy.

Although I'm firmly in opposition to MOP on this particular topic....he's earned his stripes around here, and I respect him. You....not so much.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Although I'm firmly in opposition to MOP on this particular topic....he's earned his stripes around here, and I respect him. You....not so much.

Wait, who are you again?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

This thread is funny. But then, I've skimmed.

 

[renesauz]

Although I'm firmly in opposition to MOP on this particular topic....he's earned his stripes around here, and I respect him.

You....not so much.

Wait, who are you again?

Easier to say who I'm not....(EG: I'm NOT a loud mouthed relative NOOB to FBG.) Instead, I'm in over a dozen FBG dominated leagues, including at least one or two with MOP, and a regular contributor to significant threads.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Although I'm firmly in opposition to MOP on this particular topic....he's earned his stripes around here, and I respect him.

You....not so much.

Wait, who are you again?

Easier to say who I'm not....(EG: I'm NOT a loud mouthed relative NOOB to FBG.) Instead, I'm in over a dozen FBG dominated leagues, including at least one or two with MOP, and a regular contributor to significant threads.

Link to significant threads?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Although I'm firmly in opposition to MOP on this particular topic....he's earned his stripes around here, and I respect him.

You....not so much.

Wait, who are you again?

Easier to say who I'm not....(EG: I'm NOT a loud mouthed relative NOOB to FBG.) Instead, I'm in over a dozen FBG dominated leagues, including at least one or two with MOP, and a regular contributor to significant threads.

Link to significant threads?

 

[kevjones22]

Internet tough guy competitions, sweet.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Actually, Collins has always been a great passer... when he doesnt have to move around. He's always had a great arm but terrible feet. He doesnt sense the rush well enough and makes really bad throws on the move. As long as the line can give him a pocket, he's great. In Oakland he seldom had a pocket. In Tennessee, its not as bad. Seriously, he's a better passer than most starting QBs when he can stand in one place.

He's pretty much exactly opposite of Young. Young is great on the move but just not all that in the pocket. What they need is a guy with Collin's arm and Young's feet. I'd like to see Young get another chance, but it will probably be an injury to Collins for it to happen this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We see that one night's stats don't always tell the whole story...KC still has not won a football game this year. People will point to the week 1 stats and maybe some others and claim it isn't KC's fault...OK but when does some of the responsibility become his?

 

[TommyGilmore]

We see that one night's stats don't always tell the whole story...KC still has not won a football game this year. People will point to the week 1 stats and maybe some others and claim it isn't KC's fault...OK but when does some of the responsibility become his?

Who, Cassel?

 

[LittlePhatty]

We see that one night's stats don't always tell the whole story...KC still has not won a football game this year. People will point to the week 1 stats and maybe some others and claim it isn't KC's fault...OK but when does some of the responsibility become his?

Who, Cassel?

Kerry Collins

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2/12 for -7yds...wow, just wow.

 

[Native]

Whos the third string QB in Tennessee?

 

[Banger]

2/12 for -7yds...wow, just wow.

I can't remember a lower yardage total ever. Unreal. The Titans are beyond awful. I thought they were going to struggle losing Haynesworth but they are getting worse every week.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

2/12 for -7yds...wow, just wow.

I think Cleveland might have some interest.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

2/12 for -7yds...wow, just wow.

There are a lot of mind boggling stats in this game and there is a lot wrong with the Tennessee Titans right now. Kerry Collins isn't playing well but his receivers also dropped some balls early on that they should have caught. The team in general just looked like a team that didn't that didn't want to be out in those conditions.The problem with Tennessee is they really have nobody who can come in and play. Vince Young is toast IMO, if he was any good at all, he would have been playing by now. It's an ugly situation all the way around right now in Tennessee.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2/12 for -7yds...wow, just wow.

There are a lot of mind boggling stats in this game and there is a lot wrong with the Tennessee Titans right now. Kerry Collins isn't playing well but his receivers also dropped some balls early on that they should have caught. The team in general just looked like a team that didn't that didn't want to be out in those conditions.The problem with Tennessee is they really have nobody who can come in and play. Vince Young is toast IMO, if he was any good at all, he would have been playing by now. It's an ugly situation all the way around right now in Tennessee.

I agree with you almost 100%. Their WRs cannot catch a gd thing out there. Every game I sit down to watch with them they drop balls all over the place.