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Pretty much sums it up. The o-line went from dominant to weak. They need the extra blocking. Larry Johnson can't seem to get it going on the ground, but has been catching a ton of short passes, which may have gone to Gonzalez.
Since Week 2, Gonzalez has had 12 targets while LJ has had 17. Last week LJ turned 8 of those targets into 6/106, while Gonzo only had 2 targets. Looking at last season LJ had 33 total targets.
As a Gonzalez owner, I'm not giddy about the impact Edwards is having on Gonzalez's production but from the Chiefs' perspective they are 2-2 and have won two straight. I think Chiefs fans have to be feeling pretty good all things considered. Their defense looks much improved (Edwards should get at least some credit for that in my opinion) and their offense hasn't fallen apart despite Roaf's retirement and Green's injury.
i'm not sure i would say they are struggling. they beat two bad teams and lost to two good teams without their starting QB. seems about like par for the course to me.
Herm Edwards was in NY for 5 years. The Jets made the playoffs 3 of those years.**** Vermeil was in KC for 5 years. The Chiefs made the playoffs 1 of those years.Why would you want Saunders? The Washington Redskins are averaging 19.20 ppg this season. The Kansas City Chiefs...19.25 ppg (with their backup QB for 3+ games).
Yea, but take away that one big game and KC is averaging 13 PPG this season.
Edwards was 39-41 when they hired him and 2-3 in the post season. Nothing to write home about. 2-2 is about par for the Herminator course.The Saunders/Vermeil system is COMPLEX and it took KC a whole year to master it (6-10 in 2001 and 16th in points). However, the following 4 years KC finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 6th in points scored. 5th, 2nd, 1st, and 1st in O yards.It should not be such a mystery as to why Saunders>Edwards for a FF owner. PURE UPSIDE BABY, PURE UPSIDE.
Yeah and Colt fans were worried about "Dungification"
They lost several OL including "the" OL in Roaf, and their starting QB went down. Gee why isn't Gonzo shining, go figureAlthough to tell the truth even if all that hadn't happened, IMO his numbers would still be off his old pace for sure...just wouldn't have fallen off a cliff.
For the record - I think Dungy is a GREAT coach. The argument vs. Dungy in TB was that, regardless of the regular season, he could not win in the post season and get to the big game - I'd say that is holding true for his life in Indy so far as well.Yeah and Colt fans were worried about "Dungification"
No the difference in the KC offense was Willie Roaf, plain and simple. It had nothing to do with a complex offense. All you have to do is look at the numbers to see how dominating he was.NOR in 2000 was ranked 8th in rushing yards (2068 yds).Then when Roaf got hurt the next year, NOR was ranked 18th in rushing yards (1712 yds).NOR has yet to return to the top 10 in rushing since Roaf left.KC in 2001 was ranked 6th in rushing (2006 yards) in 2000.When Roaf came in 2002 they ranked 3rd (2378 yards). Willie Roaf made that offense dominating. Without him, they would have just been really good.
Actually it was a combination of the addition of Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner and Torry Holt. But mainly Faulk. He was just an unstoppable force in MIKE MARTZ offense. Once Faulk started to decline so did the offense. As you'll see, once Faulk declined the offense never achieved the same production. So I ask you, did the rest of the players all of a sudden forget the complex offense. Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, the players make a good offense great...not the coaches. Ergo, when Willie Roaf, John Welbourn and Trent Grenn are no longer there, that the offense may not be as productive, REGARDLESS of who is coaching. Wouldn't you say?Thanks for doing all that research. Next time why don't you look a little deeper into the circumstances of the information you have before YOU throw out your flawed opinions. You'll save alot of face."People who think they know it all really ANNOY those of us who do."
"Willie Roaf was a two ton man-mountain who could palm a medicine ball!""His poop is used as currency in Argentina.""He sweats Gatorade""He once breast-fed a flamingo back to health.""He hated Mexicans! And he was half Mexican! .......And he hated irony!""I once saw him scissor kick Angela Landsbury.""He sheds his skin once a year.""He makes brooms somewhere in Georgia.""He did 3 tours in 'Nam...... I was in Corpus Christi on business a month ago. I had this eight foot tall Asian waiter, which made me curious. I asked him his name. Sure enough it's Ho Tran Roaf!""I once saw him eat a whole live chicken.""His favorite movie is 'One on One' with Robby Benson.""He sleeps eight hours a night! ........ well, he was pretty normal when it came to that.""Did I ever tell you about the time Roaf took me out to go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can't find one. Finally Roaf takes me to a vacant lot and says, 'Here we are.' We sat there for a year and a half and sure enough someone constructs a bar around us. The day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Roaf yelled over the roar of the flames, 'Always leave things the way you found em!'""Willie Rofa had a four day heart attack...a day for each chamber. At the autopsy, they said his heart looked like a basketball filled with riccotta cheese.""He once punched a hole in a cow just to see who was coming up the road.""He taught me how to make love to a woman, and how to scold a child.""They found $60 in change in his stomach.""He did all the makeup on the 'Planet of the Apes' movie.""He grew a 3rd arm and kept it in a vault.""Roaf drank a full glass of liquid LSD with his eggs. Then he slept for 8 months straight. When he woke he rubbed his eyes and said, 'All in all, I prefer gin.'""They say Gene Roddenbery got the idea for Star Trek from listening to Roaf talk in his sleep.""He date raped David Bowie."Yes I'm sick of the Willie Roaf deification.
Translation: I'm an angry Chiefs fan who's pissed Roaf retired.
KC has played 3-1 Cincy, 3-1 Denver, 2-3 SF, and 1-4 Arizona. They are 2-2.St Louis has played 3-1 Denver, 2-3 SF, 1-4 Arizona, 0-5 Detroit, and 1-4 GB. They are 4-1.
The O dropped off after Vermeil left and Martz tweaked it too much. Faulk AND Holt were still there. Nobody forgot anything, the O was changed. Martz did not run enough and Faulk's numbers show this.BTW looser - try to make up your own insult next time instead of reusing my own on me. Just pathetic use of creativity. It is no wonder your hard head can't see my completely valid points (backed by stats). The only reason the RAMS even came up is because you needed a SECOND EXAMPLE of how this O takes a couple of years to click with a new team.
Faulk's highest rushing totals under Vermiel:253 carries, 1381 yards, 7 TD
2005: 2-22004: 1-32003: 4-02002: 2-22001: 1-3Yeah, Vermiel was always starting off great, right? The KC faithful are actually pretty happy to see a good defense back in town. It's only the FF guys that are upset about the offense. Learn to keep the two seperate.
Exposed.
I'm seriously thinking about doing this.
I am as well. Jerramy Stevens is available and so is Desmond Clark. I'm not as high on Clark as I am on Stevens but assuming Stevens is able to come back starting next week (I was gone this weekend so I didn't see why he was a late scratch today; just heard that he was) I am giving serious consideration to making this switch. I'm going to put Gonzalez on the trade block this week but I'm not expecting much in the way of an offer in return. Even if I team him with something else of decent value I don't know if anyone will bite. But right now Gonzalez is absolutely killing me and given my league's roster setup cutting him is something I'm going to have to at least consider.
For the Jackstraw quotes alone
Things should get a little better when Trent Green comes back.
