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You did see the ppr, right? Bush will still catch 80 balls. Thomas is just a better Duece. Barber now has 2 guys that will cut into his carries, and more importantly to me, receptions. You may be right about Slaton being too high.
Sorry if i sounded a little too blunt, but just because you listed PPR RB's doesnt mean Bush is more valuable than AP!Yes he will get more receptions but even in PPR leagues a horse with consistent 150 yard games will demolish the one who catches 7 balls a game and has trouble running
No he isn't(Thomas) What will Bush's role be if he's even on the Saints? He can't stay healthy as a RB. Slot receiver maybe?
Turner is not a pass catcher...except did have at least 3 catches that I saw last week vs. TB. Maybe they change the way he is used.Without PThomas listed, I can't take the list too seriously. Bush's role should change alot, and he can't stay on the field. Second year in a row he is on IR by the end of the year. You have to consider if a guy will make it to 16 games.tribecalledjeff said:
I would argue that Bush is much more consistent than ADP. Knock Bush down b/c of health concerns, fine - that's more than fair. But a lot of people forget that 80 catches is like an extra 500 yards and 6 TDs - that's huge. A receptions are consistent.ADP has had 8 games of <10 points in ppr scoring in the last 2 years. Bush has had 5 in his whole career. It's the receptions that save you from those horrible games and allow you not to have to worry about bad matchups. In terms of ppg, Bush > ADP in ppr without a doubt. Again, if you want to knock him down because of injury, I can't argue. But when healthy, he is a ppr monster and can carry a team.
I've never played that, but at first glance it would appear to make RBs very invaluable. And the problem that you stated would still be the same. A 8-50 catch game from some slot receiver would be worth a 25 carry, 130 yard effort from ADP. Those questioning my leaving out of Pierre Thomas are probably right. I don't own him and fortunately haven't played against him recently, so he has kind of slipped under my radar. May need to re-evaluate the NO RB situation in general.
My issue with him is that once Singletary took over, he stopped getting the number of catches that he was when Martz was controlling the whole offense.
You wouldn't take a RB list seriously because PThomas is not in the top 10? wow, the hype on this guy is outrageous. Its certainly possible that he finishes top 10 next year, but he also could be a version of Ryan Grant...and Grant didn't have to contend with Reggie Bush this year.Thomas wasn't even playing when Bush, Deuce, Stecker were healthy. Maybe things change next year, do you seriously want to use your #1 pick to find out.
I don't agree at all. I can see .5 PPR but not zero.
Really. Look up the games he has started and do the math. Who said anything about a #1 pick? Who would take Slaton in the 1st round either?
If you think it's ridiculous that he's not in the top 10, that means you think he's easily top 10, so say top 6-7. The top 6-7 RBs tend to go in the first round. It's not a reach to say that if someone thinks a top 10 list without Thomas is a joke also thinks Thomas is a round 1 pick.
I think generally speaking the top 10 RB's are considered 1st round picks. If you are in a 12 team league and you have Thomas ranked say #7 there a good chance he goes in the first round.I personally wouldn't have Slaton in my top 10 either over guys like Lynch & Portis.
Not for me. For me it's who will finish the season in the top 10. I'm looking more at dynasty buy low candidates. Pierre has Bush looming. If Bush changes his role and Thomas is the declared starter I could see him there, but if it's in flux I like him as a later round bargain. Slaton is another with potential, but unless he is the declared starter he shouild be picked in the first.I think it's a value list.
Reggie never fully recovered from the injury. He came back in limited action only. To say Pierre is the workhorse with a healthy Reggie is unknown. Pierre himself is still a relative unknown. His good games have come against the worst defenses in the NFL. Reggie's not only going to play slot alone. He'd play some slot, some runningback, some receiver out of the backfield. Wherever they think they can get him in space. If you really think Pierre is going to relegate Reggie to return duty and change of pace then you need to decide where Reggie's going to go cause he certainly wouldnt remain with the Saints.
Not for me. For me it's who will finish the season in the top 10.I'm looking more at dynasty buy low candidates. Pierre has Bush looming. If Bush changes his role and Thomas is the declared starter I could see him there, but if it's in flux I like him as a later round bargain.I think generally speaking the top 10 RB's are considered 1st round picks. If you are in a 12 team league and you have Thomas ranked say #7 there a good chance he goes in the first round.I personally wouldn't have Slaton in my top 10 either over guys like Lynch & Portis.
Slaton is another with potential, but unless he is the declared starter he shouild be picked in the first.
I think it's a value list.
It still means that in a startup dynasty PPR league, you would expect Thomas to go in the 1st round. Let's not be intentionally dense here.
I agree. I'd be surprised if Turner was ever a major factor in the passing game. I've watched most of the ATL games this year (Ryan/Turner owner), and have seen a few checkdown passes bounce off his hands. They simply prefer the highly effective Norwood. Of Turner's two catches last week, one was a screen pass during a no huddle offense, and the other a short everyone-is-covered pass to the middle of the field. I think they occasionally throw his way just because no one expects it, but I think everyone's being way too hopeful about his 2-30 day becoming a regular occurrence.
LT and Barber are way too high. Gore is a top 5 PPR whne healthy.
Runner, that is a darn fine list. I think you left out some guys who should maybe be mentioned: Thomas Jones, FatWhale, NE RB, Grant, Parker. Maybe Stewart and Larry Johnson, or maybe not. Is McGahee done? Is Hillis a serious player or just a Denver flavor of the month?In PPR, here are my rankings:1. Adrian Peterson - consistency is what you want in a 1st round pick2. Steven Jackson – this is his last year to be a fantasy FB stud3. Matt Forte – PPR stud, Chico offense will go thru him4. Maurice Jones-Drew5. Brian Westbrook6. Marion Barber7. Chris Johnson8. LaDainian Tomlinson – one last good year9. Marshawn Lynch10. Michael Turner – should be consistent workhorse type11. Thomas Jones - same as Turner, and in decent settled offense next year12. Steve Slaton13. Frank Gore14. Clinton Portis – might be a miss this high15. Ronnie Brown - time to explode again?16. Darren McFadden17. Reggie Bush – can he stay healthy?18. Joseph Addai19. DeAngelo Williams – I have no faith that he doesn't get killed by RBBC20. Brandon Jacobs - who knows
I like Williams, but i am not sure i would trust him as my #1. Stewart has looked very good this year, and i could easily see him getting a bigger chunk of carries next year.
ronnie brown, addai and mcfadden over williams? so bad RBBC are ok, but unstoppable ones are no good? i won't even comment on sjax that high. oopsi like where you've both placed lynch. high ceiling there. they did get him very involved in the passing game this year.
Solid list, but I have to ask:Why are people afraid Slaton will have a sophomore slump, but not Chris Johnson? Their stats are virtually identical:Slaton: 230 rushes, 1124 yards, 4.9ypc; 40 rec, 305 yards, 7.6 yprJohnson: 235 rushes, 1159 yards, 4.9ypc; 41 rec, 259 yards, 6.3 yprThis isn't to pick on your list in particular, it's just a common theme that I'm noticing.ETA: Additionally, both have 8 TDs, but it would seem that Johnson faces far more challenge in terms of goal-line vulturing with Lendale around than Slaton is with any other Houston RB. I just can't see why, at this point, CJ's 3 spots higher.
The Texans will likely bring in another back, and we dont know how that will affect Slatons numbers next year. We know what we will get out of CJ next year. However, if the Texans bring in a RB who wont threaten Slatons carries much, i would rank him ahead of CJ.
because everyone has a man crush on johnson. i'd still take michael turner over him.
There is a reason people have a man-crush on CJ.buccosfan said:
Sure, and it's well earned. There's a reason people have one for Slaton, too. Even if another back is brought in to share time with Slaton, it’s not outrageous to assume that he and CJ will have roughly the same amount of carries per game (16-17), based on their usage patterns this season--and that includes when Slaton was “fighting” with Green for carries. So what you have are two backs that 1) may split time, 2) receive a consistent amount of weekly touches in the mid-teens, 3) are actively involved in the passing game, and 4) have proven to be a home-run threat at any time. I just don't foresee either of them dropping below a certain threshold of either opportunity or productivity. If people are going to be down on one, they really should be down on the other as well.
Like i said though, there is a certain comfortability in CJ from knowing what you are going to get out of him next year.
You have a unique scoring system then.
Scoring for both leagues:.1 point per yard rushing/receiving
Funny, in my PPR league he's 8th, and he's about 2 points away from being 10th. (No bonuses)1. Forte 2762. MJD 2733. TJones 2604. DWill 2555. Westbrook 2466. Turner 2407. LT 2378. ADP 2369. Slaton 23510. CJ3 235In terms of points per game, he's actually 14th.ADP is a mediocre rb1 in ppr leagues.
not in PPR leagues that also have bonus for 100+ yard games....he is 4th in one of my PPR league that give bonus points for 100 yard games
Fair enough - those leagues are a different animal, and I can see him being worth more in that system. I never understood those leagues at all - a 100 yard game is worth a TD more than a 99 yard game? Doesn't make sense to me at all.
This alone should highlight the stupidity of PPR leagues.
Last year everyone liked guys like Addai over D.Williams cause they felt comfortable with Addai's situation as compared to Williams where there was a chance of them bringing someone in. A team bringing in a second back doesnt have to mean a decline in stats for the starter. If the starter has talent they will give them their touches and if they bring in someone else it will just to be someone who compliments the starter. Just like CJ3 and white. Slaton's proved to have talent, trust from the coaches and able to carry the load if needed. He will be getting touches regardless next year. plus bringing in a big back next year could actually help him because the bigger back would wear down the defense more making it easier for Slaton, again just like White/CJ3. So you really just need to base it on talent and surrounding team. If you've watched both there games there is no way that you cant say Slaton has as much if not more talent than CJ3. And as for the offense he's in, Houston can throw the ball very well so he wont see alot of 8 man fronts as apposed to Tenn where they will try to stop the run and let Collins/Young beat them.
