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Top 10 RB Turnover (1 Viewer)

GroveDiesel

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Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:

 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:
I like your list except for Tiki.Who are the new 5 (Top 10ers) in your opinion...I am curious.

 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:
I think T. Jones and M. Anderson will drop.Side Note: I do not think M. Anderson will be the Ravens starter unless J Lewis gets hurt - Look at the contract J Lewis just signed (you don't pay part time players that much).

 
As of today, I would think that Ronnie Brown and Stephen Jackson have solid shots at cracking the Top 10. I do think James will hang on to be a Top 10 RB (this really is the same situation he had before, minus the line).

 
I like your list except for Tiki.

Who are the new 5 (Top 10ers) in your opinion...I am curious.
Off the top of my head:Steven Jackson

Reuben Droughns

Brian Westbrook

Cadillac Williams

I haven't decided on my last one. There's always at least one guy that 99% of the people out there never would have predicted at the beginning of the season. Those are the toughest ones. Last year were Thomas Jones and Mike Anderson. I think Dillon could end up in the top 10 coming off of a very bad season all around for the Pats. People are down on him but he had some tough nagging injury issues. A rookie seems to crack the top 10 an awful lot, and this year has a nice crop of them. It won't be until after the draft before I can think about that though. My sleeper pick though is Ron Dayne :ph34r: Denver always has a good running game, their blocking style compliments Dayne very well and he looked pretty good in limited action last season.

 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol

 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
TO? That you? You rock man, but you are plump crazy if you think LT, Portis, or Rudi are going to fall out of the top ten. You're even crazier if you think they will be replaced by Droughns, Taylor or Lewis. But thats just me. I think TJones, MA, Jordan, Barber, and Alexander (injury) will fall out. Guys like Brown, Jackson, etc will take over.

 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
TO? That you? You rock man, but you are plump crazy if you think LT, Portis, or Rudi are going to fall out of the top ten. You're even crazier if you think they will be replaced by Droughns, Taylor or Lewis. But thats just me. I think TJones, MA, Jordan, Barber, and Alexander (injury) will fall out. Guys like Brown, Jackson, etc will take over.
What information are you basing the assumption that Alexander will be injured next year?
 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
Why is everyone so sown on Rudi? He has been #6 2 years in a row. If Palmer is hurt to start the season, Cincy won't spread the ball as much which = more carries for Rudi
 
With the number of carries Tiki & Alexander had last year (& 2004), I consider both of them high injury risks. Especially Alexander with all the additional carries in the playoffs. Think Terrell Davis & Jamal Anderson in 1998.

Thomas Jones is a stud, but he is bound to lose carries to Benson. Anderson obviously will not be even close to 2005 numbers.

I don't think Edge will be a top-5 stud in AZ, but he will still be top-10 if healthy.

 
Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha
I actually agree with you on LT. Waaaayyyy too many touches the last 3 years. He will miss major time due to injury this year. Portis I think stays in the top 10.

Rudi, I agree (sorry Madskillz)

TJones, I think he not only falls out but that Cedric replaces him in the top 10.

And Anderson is done.

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
I will hold judgement on JJones. If he can't keep his butt on the field, then MB3 is going to be the guy and pretty quickly. I think JJ is on a short leash in Dallas.I will go with S. Jackson as the top 10.

I'm not so sure about R. Brown. If it turns out Ricky wins the appeal they may be stuck with him on the roster again because it may take too long for the process to shake out. If Ricky is not a Dolphin (or a suspended Phin) then RBrown is gold.

Caddilac will be top 10.

Droughns I'm not sold on.

If Minny gets the lineman from Seattle, Taylor will be money this year....

I will throw in the Indy starter whomever that may be as cracking the top 10...

 
Trying to predict an injury for a player without an injury history is like winning the lottery. You not really right just lucky.

 
I have researched this extensively, and ultimately I have concluded that the biggest reason why RB remain or become Top 10 RBs is injuries.

If you look at the data, most Top 10 RB have a very intense workload, and the chances of having back-to-back 350-400 touch seasons is somewhat remote. Guys that rank in the bottom of the Top 10 only need a minor injury to miss a couple of games and fall out of the Top 10. And guys that were outside the Top 10 the year before only need better health to get back INTO the Top 10.

That's why many times PPG is a better performance measuring stick than straight points scored. Here are the PPG averages (standard scoring) for the Top 25 RB for all games played over the past 3 seasons (minimum 10 games played):

Priest Holmes 21.86

LaDainian Tomlinson 20.19

Shaun Alexander 19.57

Edgerrin James 16.97

Tiki Barber 16.46

Clinton Portis 16.37

Ahman Green 16.17

Larry Johnson 15.68

Domanick Davis 15.38

Deuce McAllister 14.6

Jamal Lewis 13.93

Rudi Johnson 13.71

Julius Jones 13.61

Brian Westbrook 13.28

Curtis Martin 12.78

Fred Taylor 12.59

Ricky Williams 12.56

Corey Dillon 12.36

Stephen Davis 12.14

Warrick Dunn 11.92

Willis McGahee 11.88

Cadillac Williams 11.56

Thomas Jones 10.67

Steven Jackson 10.58

Kevin Jones 9.81

While not the perfect barometer, it does tend to show a bigger picture than straight end of year rankings. I am in the process of refining a better way to evaluate RB production to weed out games that weren't starts, games with injuries, etc.

 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson
I think the two most obvious guys to drop are Mike Anderson and Thomas Jones, as they will be getting less carries than last year due to Jamal and Benson, respectively.If you can predict the next three you are a genius. All 7 remaining backs look very solid, but I'll guess that Edge (still don't like that OL in AZ), LT (high mileage back due for a breakdown?), and Rudi (is this the year Perry eats more carries?) are the three to fall.

The five who I believe will move into the top 10 are

1) whomever Indy's new RB is (Maroney or Addai?),

2) Ronnie Brown,

3) Willis McGahee,

4) SJax

5) Droughns

 
I just don't understand how people can predict a bad season for a RB just because he had a lot of touches last year. LT has had plenty of seasons with a ton of touches, and he has always followed it up with another top 3 season. Emmitt comes to mind as another guy who just kept cranking out productive seasons.

Every starting RB touches the ball 20-25 times per game. So why would a few extra touches in a game last October have any impact on a RBs performance starting this September? He's got plenty of time to rest in the offseason if he needs it.

 
Out: Mike Anderson, Lamont Jordan, Edgerrin James, Rudi Johnson, Clinton Portis

In: Caddy, Stephen Jackson, Ronie Brown, Ruben Droughns, Lawrence Maroney(Indy's starter)

1. Larry Johnson

2. Ruben Droughns

3. Stephen Jackson

4. Tiki Barber

5. Ronnie Brown

6, Caddy

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Lawrence Malroney

9. Ladanian Tomlinson

10. Thomas Jones

11. Reggie Bush :thumbup:

 
I just don't understand how people can predict a bad season for a RB just because he had a lot of touches last year. LT has had plenty of seasons with a ton of touches, and he has always followed it up with another top 3 season. Emmitt comes to mind as another guy who just kept cranking out productive seasons.

Every starting RB touches the ball 20-25 times per game. So why would a few extra touches in a game last October have any impact on a RBs performance starting this September? He's got plenty of time to rest in the offseason if he needs it.
I just researched this for someone else the other day. There have been 69 times when a RB had 400 or more touches in a given season (INCLUDING post season). All 69 of those RB ranked in the Top 10 in Year X. Only 32 ranked in the Top 10 in Year X + 1 (out of 64 eligible). Players that had 400+ touches in 2005 were Barber, James, Alexander, and Portis.
 
I just don't understand how people can predict a bad season for a RB just because he had a lot of touches last year. LT has had plenty of seasons with a ton of touches, and he has always followed it up with another top 3 season. Emmitt comes to mind as another guy who just kept cranking out productive seasons.

Every starting RB touches the ball 20-25 times per game. So why would a few extra touches in a game last October have any impact on a RBs performance starting this September? He's got plenty of time to rest in the offseason if he needs it.
I just researched this for someone else the other day. There have been 69 times when a RB had 400 or more touches in a given season (INCLUDING post season). All 69 of those RB ranked in the Top 10 in Year X. Only 32 ranked in the Top 10 in Year X + 1 (out of 64 eligible). Players that had 400+ touches in 2005 were Barber, James, Alexander, and Portis.
But was injury the reason why these running backs dropped out of the top 10?For the record I do think injury will knock some RBs out of the top 10 but I have yet to find a formula that can predict injury or even the likelihood of injury unless that player has an injury in the recent past - because by its nature injury is unpredictable.

 
Trying to predict an injury for a player without an injury history is like winning the lottery. You not really right just lucky.
Is this in reference to me predicting LT going down? It would not be luck. See, he was gimpy 2 years ago and his touches have remained high. Too high. In his 5 year career, his lowest number of touches is 390 which was last year. His other 4 years he's had more than 390 touches!! :eek: That is unheard of. For guys to have close to 400 touches more than 2 years in a row is pretty rare. I think the wheels come off that buss this year.....There is more to this prediction than luck should it come true....
 
I just don't understand how people can predict a bad season for a RB just because he had a lot of touches last year.  LT has had plenty of seasons with a ton of touches, and he has always followed it up with another top 3 season.  Emmitt comes to mind as another guy who just kept cranking out productive seasons. 

Every starting RB touches the ball 20-25 times per game.  So why would a few extra touches in a game last October have any impact on a RBs performance starting this September?  He's got plenty of time to rest in the offseason if he needs it.
I just researched this for someone else the other day. There have been 69 times when a RB had 400 or more touches in a given season (INCLUDING post season). All 69 of those RB ranked in the Top 10 in Year X. Only 32 ranked in the Top 10 in Year X + 1 (out of 64 eligible). Players that had 400+ touches in 2005 were Barber, James, Alexander, and Portis.
So now we have.......-- 50% of RBs who have 400 touches fail to repeat their Top 10 status.

-- 50% of RBs who who were Top 10 the year before fail to repeat their Top 10 status.

See where I'm going with this..... a RB with a high number of touches is no different than any successful RB trying to maintain his production.

 
I just don't understand how people can predict a bad season for a RB just because he had a lot of touches last year.  LT has had plenty of seasons with a ton of touches, and he has always followed it up with another top 3 season.  Emmitt comes to mind as another guy who just kept cranking out productive seasons. 

Every starting RB touches the ball 20-25 times per game.  So why would a few extra touches in a game last October have any impact on a RBs performance starting this September?  He's got plenty of time to rest in the offseason if he needs it.
I just researched this for someone else the other day. There have been 69 times when a RB had 400 or more touches in a given season (INCLUDING post season). All 69 of those RB ranked in the Top 10 in Year X. Only 32 ranked in the Top 10 in Year X + 1 (out of 64 eligible). Players that had 400+ touches in 2005 were Barber, James, Alexander, and Portis.
But was injury the reason why these running backs dropped out of the top 10?For the record I do think injury will knock some RBs out of the top 10 but I have yet to find a formula that can predict injury or even the likelihood of injury unless that player has an injury in the recent past - because by its nature injury is unpredictable.
You can decide for yourself what the following data means in the guys with 400+ touches category.69 players had 400+ touches, averaging 443 touches and a ranking of RB 3.7.

64 players the following year averaged 340 touches and a ranking of RB 15.3.

In Year X + 1 . . .

3 guys had over 500 touches (remember, post season is fair game here)

18 more had more than 400 touches (basically, 21 had 400+ touches again)

16 players had under 300 touches, including 6 that had under 200.

BTW, Terrell David had an astounding 1,030 touches in 1997-1998.

 
See where I'm going with this..... a RB with a high number of touches is no different than any successful RB trying to maintain his production.
I suppose it's a chicken or the egg argument. Half the guys with extreme workloads seem to have dropped off the following year. You can't be productive if you don't play.Not knowing what the historical dropoff for guys without huge workloads is (or the injury dat), we have nothing to really compare it to. I also don't even know how to classify the data set here . . . is it guys that had a workload of 300 touchesbut not Top 10? Are we fishing for likelihood of injury or just drop off in production . . . and how is that defined?
 
Alot of this will change post draft. But as of right now, take out Barber, Jordan, Rudi, Anderson & T. Jones. Replace with Deuce, McGahee, the Indy RB, Caddy and S-Jax.

 
Alot of this will change post draft. But as of right now, take out Barber, Jordan, Rudi, Anderson & T. Jones. Replace with Deuce, McGahee, the Indy RB, Caddy and S-Jax.
Duece?He is a walking injury.

 
Question:

Does anyone have a quick factoid on how many of the 5 that fallout of the top 10 are due to injury?

I can see 3 or 4 guys that probably won't be top 10, based on performance (Jones, Anderson, maybe Rudi, Jordan) and I suspect one or two surprises due to injury.

 
I hope LT doesn't fall out. He has to considered a candidate though with as many touches as he has had. He also has been getting dinged up the last two years.

My list of top 10 for 2006 in no order

Shaun Alexander

L Johnson

LT

Portis

Edge

Droughns

Ronnie Brown

Willie Parker

S Jackson

T Barber

 
I hope LT doesn't fall out. He has to considered a candidate though with as many touches as he has had. He also has been getting dinged up the last two years.

My list of top 10 for 2006 in no order

Shaun Alexander

L Johnson

LT

Portis

Edge

Droughns

Ronnie Brown

Willie Parker

S Jackson

T Barber
:goodposting: Solid - I like this list.

Except maybe Droughns - The browns are just too awful.

 
Question:

Does anyone have a quick factoid on how many of the 5 that fallout of the top 10 are due to injury?

I can see 3 or 4 guys that probably won't be top 10, based on performance (Jones, Anderson, maybe Rudi, Jordan) and I suspect one or two surprises due to injury.
Health certianly is a big plus. Over the past 3 seasons, the average of all Top 10 RBs was 328 carries + 44 receptions = 382 touches.I have always said that any RB that gets 350 touches has a great shot at being Top 10. In the past 5 seasons, 47 RBs have had 350 touches in the regular season, and 42 ranked in the Top 10. The others ranked 11, 18, 11, 16, 12, 13, and 19.

 
why all the love for Droughns???
He had 1232 yards rushing last season at 4.0 ypc on a team with an awful offensive line, rookie QB for half the season, and no WRs. The O-line has been upgraded considerably, Charlie Frye looked to be good enough by the end of the season and the WRs should be slightly better as well. Lack of TDs really hurt his overall value last season. I think his TD numbers will increase to around 10 and his yardage will go up 200-300 yards as well.
 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:
i think that 50% rule works with the NFL's final stats, not sure its quite the same your league's final stats..with the exception of James, i like your 5 picks to be out of the top 10 in 2006, but I can live with James being #11 or so..

who do you think will fill the 5 open spots, then?

Ron Brown? Caddy? benson? <indy's RB>, McAllister? Ricky?

 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season. So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:
Out:Edgerrin James - O-Line trumps all.

M. Anderson - There's a reason why you've never heard of the "Baltimore Ravens" system. (Note: I think he has a good, but not great, shot at winning the starting job eventually. If Lewis plays as poorly as last year, Anderson will end the season getting the bulk of the carries.)

Lamont Jordan - Come on, this Oakland team is BAD. If it weren't for the receiving numbers as the TDs, Jordan would be a scrub. Meanwhile, in comes Art Shell. No Art Shell RB has ever topped 50 catches, and only one has ever topped 30 (1994, Harvey Williams, 47/391/3). Heck, only two other times did a back break *20* catches. And as for the TDs... Oakland has better weapons in the red zone, if they only start playing like it (*cough cough RANDYMOSS cough*).

Thomas Jones - I waver on this pick a lot. On the one hand, it's hard to see him staying productive in such an anemic offense. On the other hand, it's hard to see the offense staying so anemic with Orton off the field. In the end, I added him since he was so near the bottom of the top-10 anyway.

Alexander - I remember all the criticisms of him, and find it very suspicious that they just disappeared during a contract year. Add to this the touches factor and I'm very nervous about him. (Note: I'd still take him with a top-5 pick, though). (Note #2: I'm equally concerned about LT next year, but I'd take him in the top-5, too. I'd just be more likely to try to trade either player after they started hot and before they got injured/cooled down).

In:

Ron Dayne - I suppose it would be more accurate to steal a page from Tecmo Superbowl and say "RB - Broncos". As of right now, it looks to me like that's going to be Dayne.

Chester Taylor - Minnesota was one of the best running teams in the league a couple of years ago. What happened last year? A shaky RB corps and the loss of Burke/Moss. Childress has shown he's inventive in creating a passing game when playing with less than a full deck, which should keep opposing defenses at least a little bit honest, but on the other hand, he has no McNabb or Culpepper, which should (hopefully) lead to more carries. And if Hutchinson comes to town... forget about it.

Fast Willie Parker - You might notice a trend by now. I'm not only looking at the quality of the player... I'm looking at the franchise's pedigree. Few franchises have as solid of a pedigree running the ball as Pittsburgh, and with the Bus out of town, that's 11 more 1-yard TD plunges to go around (Bettis had 13 and 9 TDs the past 2 seasons- averaged equals 11. Get it?)

Cadillac Williams - I know the final 3 spots are going to be filled by Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and Steven "Action" Jackson. In the end, I think Caddy's probably got the worst upside of the 3, and has the least natural talent (both by himself, and in his O-line)... but he also has the most favorable coaching situation. We know Gruden possesses a willingness to pound Williams to a pulp repeatedly throwing him directly into the teeth of the defense until he makes something happen. That's a willingness that I really like to see from the coach of my fantasy RB.

Ronnie Brown - Brown earns the final nod over Jackson because... well, I just don't trust Jackson. He's put up too many headscratchers over the last 2 years, and I'm beginning to grow wary of him. Brown was very impressive, in my opinion, behind a horrible Miami line last season, and with Ricky (likely) out of the picture, hopefully he gets enough touches to be impressive from a fantasy standpoint, too.

Just missing the cut: Steven Jackson, Brian Westbrook.

I was strongly debating with myself trying to get Jackson on the list, because I like Linehan and I think he'll mean good things for the Rams ground game, but I'm a little bit gunshy after getting burned twice now by Jackson. I love Westbrook, but hate Andy Reid. If Reid showed a Gruden-like willingness to throw his back to the wolves, I'd think Westy would be a top-5 back, easy.

 
Edgerrin James - O-Line trumps all.
See my post above on workload. If Edge gets the same workload he did in IND, he still has an excellent chance to be Top 10--even with a low ypc. We can debate how often he touches the ball, but the more he touches is the harder it will be to keep him out of the Top 10. 42 of 47 with 350 touches were Top 10 (89%). Edge had 404 touches last year, so he could lose 54 touches and still hit 350.Again, health is always a question with Edge, so IMO he will be Top 10 when he's in the lineup (ie based on PPG) but who knows how many games he will play in.
 
Edgerrin James - O-Line trumps all.
See my post above on workload. If Edge gets the same workload he did in IND, he still has an excellent chance to be Top 10--even with a low ypc. We can debate how often he touches the ball, but the more he touches is the harder it will be to keep him out of the Top 10. 42 of 47 with 350 touches were Top 10 (89%). Edge had 404 touches last year, so he could lose 54 touches and still hit 350.Again, health is always a question with Edge, so IMO he will be Top 10 when he's in the lineup (ie based on PPG) but who knows how many games he will play in.
I think this is another chicken-egg arguement. Were the RBs top-10 because they got 400 touches, or did they get 400 touches because they were so productive with each touch that they kept getting more? I tend to believe that the reason why RBs get 400+ touches is because they're performing incredibly, really damaging opposing defenses and making stuff happen offensively. And I have a hard time seeing Edge do that behind Arizona's line.Remember, too, that part of the reason Edge got so many touches is because of the offense he played in. To wit: Last season, Indy called 515 passes to 465 rushes. Meanwhile, Arizona called 670 passes to 360 rushes. Part of that is Arizona not having a quality RB... but not all of it. Philadelphia *does* have a quality RB, and they're notorious for skewing the pass:run ratio regardless.

Denny Green does not have a great history of loading up on carries (only in his rookie season with Minnesota did his offense exceed 450 rushes), so that's a big chunk of his 54 touches right there.

I don't know, I guess what it comes down to is whether or not correlation implies causation. Yes, there is a very high correlation between 400 touch backs and top-10 appearances, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a causal relationship. There are so many lurking variables in this instance. What I keep going back to is, despite all of the stats and trends and percentages... how many top-10 fantasy RBs have played behind bottom-10 reality O-Lines. I can think of one (Tomlinson). I'm not ready to start betting on Edge to join that crowd. And even if I were, go back and see what your stats tell you about the odds of an RB repeating a 400-touch season.

 
Alot of this will change post draft. But as of right now, take out Barber, Jordan, Rudi, Anderson & T. Jones. Replace with Deuce, McGahee, the Indy RB, Caddy and S-Jax.
Duece?He is a walking injury.
He's been projected to be a top 3-4 guy when healthy in the past. He had most of last season to rehab the ACL. And he's still relatively in his prime, just entering his 6th year I believe. I also think that the Saints will turn the corner this year after all the issues they had in 2005.
 
Edgerrin James - O-Line trumps all.
See my post above on workload. If Edge gets the same workload he did in IND, he still has an excellent chance to be Top 10--even with a low ypc. We can debate how often he touches the ball, but the more he touches is the harder it will be to keep him out of the Top 10. 42 of 47 with 350 touches were Top 10 (89%). Edge had 404 touches last year, so he could lose 54 touches and still hit 350.Again, health is always a question with Edge, so IMO he will be Top 10 when he's in the lineup (ie based on PPG) but who knows how many games he will play in.
I think this is another chicken-egg arguement. Were the RBs top-10 because they got 400 touches, or did they get 400 touches because they were so productive with each touch that they kept getting more? I tend to believe that the reason why RBs get 400+ touches is because they're performing incredibly, really damaging opposing defenses and making stuff happen offensively. And I have a hard time seeing Edge do that behind Arizona's line.Remember, too, that part of the reason Edge got so many touches is because of the offense he played in. To wit: Last season, Indy called 515 passes to 465 rushes. Meanwhile, Arizona called 670 passes to 360 rushes. Part of that is Arizona not having a quality RB... but not all of it. Philadelphia *does* have a quality RB, and they're notorious for skewing the pass:run ratio regardless.

Denny Green does not have a great history of loading up on carries (only in his rookie season with Minnesota did his offense exceed 450 rushes), so that's a big chunk of his 54 touches right there.

I don't know, I guess what it comes down to is whether or not correlation implies causation. Yes, there is a very high correlation between 400 touch backs and top-10 appearances, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a causal relationship. There are so many lurking variables in this instance. What I keep going back to is, despite all of the stats and trends and percentages... how many top-10 fantasy RBs have played behind bottom-10 reality O-Lines. I can think of one (Tomlinson). I'm not ready to start betting on Edge to join that crowd. And even if I were, go back and see what your stats tell you about the odds of an RB repeating a 400-touch season.
I've already voiced my concern for high touch backs, and as you mentioned repeatability is not great.As for the Cardinals, I think a lot has to do with the prognosis of the team and the viability of the defense. If the defense is average, then the Cards *might* be able to run more due to game circumstances. If the defense is horrid, then we will again see an imbalance in passing attempts.

As for Edge's chances, I still think he can get 1200 rushing yards, 400 receiving yards, and 10 TD. That would give him 220 fantasy points and would normally rank him in the Top 8-10 RB.

Continuing with the chicken and the egg debate, did the Cards pick him up to use him or do they still plan on filtering the offense through other players? I suspect that they will use him extensively and that he could get double digit TD. Admittedly, he liekly will not be as effective as he was in IND, but he could also get more goal line opportunities that IND used to pass on. I still have not even attempted to figure out how many chances he would get at the goal line, as ARI as a whole should get fewer than IND did, but his percentage might be a lot higher. Or not. We don't really know yet.

 
Historically there's about a 50% turnover in the top 10 RBs from season to season.  So who do you think will be out this season?

My league's top 10 scoring RBs last season were:

Alexander

Johnson

Tomlinson

Barber

James

Portis

Jordan

R. Johnson

T. Jones

M. Anderson

Here are the guys that I don't think will be in the top 10 next season:

R. Johnson, T. Jones, M. Anderson, Barber and James

:boxing:
I would take outAnderson

Jones

Barber

put in

J. Jones

Caddy

Droughns

 
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I hope LT doesn't fall out. He has to considered a candidate though with as many touches as he has had. He also has been getting dinged up the last two years.

My list of top 10 for 2006 in no order

Shaun Alexander

L Johnson

LT

Portis

Edge

Droughns

Ronnie Brown

Willie Parker

S Jackson

T Barber
You think Parker will be top 10? I'm trying to use Parker in a trade to acquire Ronnie Brown who I think will put up better numbers. Maybe I should reconsider....
 
I hope LT doesn't fall out. He has to considered a candidate though with as many touches as he has had. He also has been getting dinged up the last two years.

My list of top 10 for 2006 in no order

Shaun Alexander

L Johnson

LT

Portis

Edge

Droughns

Ronnie Brown

Willie Parker

S Jackson

T Barber
You think Parker will be top 10? I'm trying to use Parker in a trade to acquire Ronnie Brown who I think will put up better numbers. Maybe I should reconsider....
IF he's the featured back he could very well sneak into the top 10. It seems to me that they would bring in a bruiser back to replace Bettis. Maybe a Pitt homer can shed some light on this, but FWP just doesn't seem like a very good GL back to me.
 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
Tomlinson fall out ? No way. Portis fall out? You gotta be kidding, the redsins now have 3 good WRs so the defence wont be able to focus on him only. Rudi Johnson falling out? Last year he played almost the whole season hurt. He'll be as good if not better this year.
 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
Tomlinson fall out ? No way. Portis fall out? You gotta be kidding, the redsins now have 3 good WRs so the defence wont be able to focus on him only. Rudi Johnson falling out? Last year he played almost the whole season hurt. He'll be as good if not better this year.
I think the fall out has more to do with the likelihood of these players getting injured than anything. Both are coming off of very high workloads, and history hasn't been kind to high-workload RBs in year N+1.
 
I hope LT doesn't fall out. He has to considered a candidate though with as many touches as he has had. He also has been getting dinged up the last two years.

My list of top 10 for 2006 in no order

Shaun Alexander

L Johnson

LT

Portis

Edge

Droughns

Ronnie Brown

Willie Parker

S Jackson

T Barber
You think Parker will be top 10? I'm trying to use Parker in a trade to acquire Ronnie Brown who I think will put up better numbers. Maybe I should reconsider....
As I mentioned, there were 9 TDs last season and 13 the season before that went to Bettis. They've got to go SOMEWHERE now. I think there's a good chance that Parker is the beneficiary of at least 4 or 5, which when combined with an equal yardage to last year makes him a top-10 back.
 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
Tomlinson fall out ? No way. Portis fall out? You gotta be kidding, the redsins now have 3 good WRs so the defence wont be able to focus on him only. Rudi Johnson falling out? Last year he played almost the whole season hurt. He'll be as good if not better this year.
How long have you been playing fantasy football? Is this your first year?No offense, but this attitude that there is ANY player that absolutely can't fall out is something that someone who hasn't been playing would think. Anyone that has been playing knows that each and every RB no matter how sure their situation is can fall out for seemingly no reason (or a hidden reason). People said the same thing about Ahman years back when he was a top 3 pick, and had this idea that the notion of him not finishing as a top 10 RB was the most impossible thing in the world, and we saw what happend then. There are countless examples of this.

As for the question at hand, Anderson, TJ, and Edge are the obvious choices....too obvious. There's always a couple guys that fall out for seemingly no reason as well.

I'm going to say that Tiki and Jordan fall out as well.

 
I don't think Jordon will fall out. Or Edge! Or Tiki!

Jordon had tuffest run defense schedule in football last year! It has to improve!

Tiki is playing with a up and coming fantasy stud QB. He still has a coule years left in the tank of top 5 to 10.

Tomilson , Portis, Rudi, Thomas Jones and Anderson would be my 5 to fall out. Remeber where you heard it first! haha

I will pick 5 new to be in top 10.

J. Jones, S. Jackson, R. Brown, C. Williams, and whoever Indy starts or possibly Droughns or Chester Taylor. Lewis could make a re appearance.

Once again remember where you heard it first. lol
Tomlinson fall out ? No way. Portis fall out? You gotta be kidding, the redsins now have 3 good WRs so the defence wont be able to focus on him only. Rudi Johnson falling out? Last year he played almost the whole season hurt. He'll be as good if not better this year.
How long have you been playing fantasy football? Is this your first year?No offense, but this attitude that there is ANY player that absolutely can't fall out is something that someone who hasn't been playing would think. Anyone that has been playing knows that each and every RB no matter how sure their situation is can fall out for seemingly no reason (or a hidden reason). People said the same thing about Ahman years back when he was a top 3 pick, and had this idea that the notion of him not finishing as a top 10 RB was the most impossible thing in the world, and we saw what happend then. There are countless examples of this.

As for the question at hand, Anderson, TJ, and Edge are the obvious choices....too obvious. There's always a couple guys that fall out for seemingly no reason as well.

I'm going to say that Tiki and Jordan fall out as well.
I just thought it made no sence. Rudi, Tomlinson, Portis falliing out but Chester Taylor would make it ? I'm also not so high about SJ and JJ. I didnt mean to say it was impossible for them to fall out but I just dont see how these 3 players could do worse than those 3.
 
Man.. why do a lot of you have Jordan falling out of the Top 10? The man played hard, even after the rest of his team gave up after about Week 10. I see him inching closer to the Top 5, then falling out of the Top 10. They are working on making improvements, and ones like Gallery will have some more experience, and contribute more (barring injury). Collins overall didn't measure up, and so they'll be looking elsewhere. But maybe that's just me...

As for others that could make and fall out of the Top 10... well, I agree that Anderson's days of Top 10 are pretty much over with him sharing time with Lewis. As an Anderson owner, that did NOT make me happy. When I heard he was let go from Denver, I was not happy. Then I heard he signed with the Ravens, and with Taylor leaving and Lewis up in the air, I was happy as a bee. Then they re-sign Lewis. :wall: Edge? Nah, I see him squeaking into the Top 10 again this year, but barely. His numbers will drop off, but I don't think he'll drop off as much as many think (fear).

The two that definitely come to mind, that have been mentioned several times already, are Caddy and Ronnie Brown. They have experience now, and decent offenses around them (more Brown than Caddy).

 
Everybody here posting that "no way will __________ fall out", just go back over the last 5 years and see how many guys you would lable this way DID fall out. It will stagger you.

LT and SA could easily fall out. I wouldn't let them slip by me in the draft but due to injury/workload/ dumb bad luck it can happen to them.

 

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