cantstop1999
Footballguy
why has w. parker moved up so high ? no one knows who is going to get the goaline carries. is there some new info im missing?
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cantstop1999
Footballguy
i agree but there are still question marks. his avag. draft position is 24
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Oh you didn't hear? Staley and Haynes were cut and Parker will get about 500 carries and the GL touches as well.
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cantstop1999
Footballguy
LOL your just so funny, maybe you should be a comedianOh you didn't hear? Staley and Haynes were cut and Parker will get about 500 carries and the GL touches as well.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
LOL your just so funny, maybe you should be a comedianOh you didn't hear? Staley and Haynes were cut and Parker will get about 500 carries and the GL touches as well.
dapunisher
Footballguy
Because he went to my high school. Dark Horse power, Baby!
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Parker won't be the starter in Pittsburgh come 2007.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
They will find out this year that he just can not carry the load at RB. They will look to replace him next year.
nygiants56
Footballguy
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
All homerism aside, I believe FWP is indeed the real deal. You fine gentlemen can say what you like, but FWP is NOT and should NOT be compared to Famous Amos Zereoue.
Look for some serious numbers to be put up by the Ex-Tar Heel this season.
Look for some serious numbers to be put up by the Ex-Tar Heel this season.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
Parker is a lot better than Zeroue. Look at W. Dunn. He might just suprise this year. They need another guy to run though to bruise up the D. Haynes might be the guy. If they use Parker to slam into the pile 15 times a game, he won't be breaking many 75 yard TDs. I look for Parker to get 15-20 carries a game and Haynes/Staley to get 15. But if Parker busts a long one a game....look out.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
A. Zereoue's best year
193 carries for 762 yards and 4 touchdowns
42 receptions for 341 yards
W. Parker last season
255 carries for 1202 yards and 4 touchdowns
18 carries for 218 yards and 1 touchdown...
YPC and YPR are both significantly higher in Parker's case and he did carry the ball 255 times proving he is durable enough to be the man... Not saying he can't be replaced next year but he certainly isn't Zereoue.
193 carries for 762 yards and 4 touchdowns
42 receptions for 341 yards
W. Parker last season
255 carries for 1202 yards and 4 touchdowns
18 carries for 218 yards and 1 touchdown...
YPC and YPR are both significantly higher in Parker's case and he did carry the ball 255 times proving he is durable enough to be the man... Not saying he can't be replaced next year but he certainly isn't Zereoue.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I count myself as a Steelers homer and I wouldn't touch Fast Willie near 13 in a FF Draft. It's not that I am worried about injuries or FWP losing his job. It's that he is a 2 down back. The only way he justifies that type of draft position is if he
A) gets the goalline carries AND/OR
B) becomes their 3rd down back
I think going into camp he is 3rd in line for both of those jobs. Willie's end of season yardage should be excellent and he will have some long TD runs but I would guess he will have plenty of games that will disappoint owners that draft him early in the 2nd round.
Despite all of my comments he is still a raw RB learning the position. His speed is well documented and he does have more size and shake than people give him credit for. If he puts it all together and stays on the field more he could easily be a FF stud.
A) gets the goalline carries AND/OR
B) becomes their 3rd down back
I think going into camp he is 3rd in line for both of those jobs. Willie's end of season yardage should be excellent and he will have some long TD runs but I would guess he will have plenty of games that will disappoint owners that draft him early in the 2nd round.
Despite all of my comments he is still a raw RB learning the position. His speed is well documented and he does have more size and shake than people give him credit for. If he puts it all together and stays on the field more he could easily be a FF stud.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Willie as a starter >>>>> Zereoue as a starter.Willie already proved he can take on a decent rushing load. This year, we'll see if he can improve on it.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Strong argument here. Throw out 25% of his best performances, and he wasn't good. I bet he's the only RB ever who would suffer under that criteria.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
FWP's 5 100 yard rushing games:
Tenn
Hou
Cin
Cle
Det
His average yards per game in these 5 games was 133.6 with 4 rushing TD's, over his final 13 games he only had 1 rushing TD.
Not the strongest of D's
His other 10 games he averaged 53.4 yards per game and 0 rushing TD's
I do not consider this consistant, and he does not warrent a #13 rank! Maybe #20-30 would be a little better, although I will not touch Amos..... I mean Willie this year!
Tenn
Hou
Cin
Cle
Det
His average yards per game in these 5 games was 133.6 with 4 rushing TD's, over his final 13 games he only had 1 rushing TD.
Not the strongest of D's
His other 10 games he averaged 53.4 yards per game and 0 rushing TD's
I do not consider this consistant, and he does not warrent a #13 rank! Maybe #20-30 would be a little better, although I will not touch Amos..... I mean Willie this year!
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Yes, it is a strong argument. Simple math tells you that any RB suffers by that criterion. Now:1. Flip your brain to the on position.
2. Realize that the telling metric would be how much an RB suffers by this criterion.
3. Do a little research.
4. See that FWP is one of the only RBs that had a "good" year last year but wouldn't even have warranted a roster spot if you throw out his 4 best games.
But here's a simpler argument if you prefer:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I was hoping the FWP support crew would respond to my post but I guess not. I want some solid reasoning out of them, not just FWP is "The Man". Why should he be #13 .... look at the stats!
valhallan
Footballguy
Here is a list of all the running backs who had 200 attempts last year and how many of those carries came in the redzone:# Running Back NFL TotAtt RedAtt 1 Alexander,Shaun SEA 370 64 17.30%2 James,Edgerrin IND 360 78 21.67%3 Barber,Tiki NYG 357 51 14.29%4 Portis,Clinton WAS 352 47 13.35%5 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD 340 53 15.59%6 Johnson,Rudi CIN 337 67 19.88%7 Johnson,Larry KC 336 57 16.96%8 McGahee,Willis BUF 325 59 18.15%9 Jones,Thomas CHI 314 37 11.78%10 Droughns,Reuben CLE 309 34 11.00%11 Williams,Carnell TB 290 29 10.00%12 Dunn,Warrick ATL 280 35 12.50%13 Jordan,Lamont OAK 272 42 15.44%14 Lewis,Jamal BAL 269 38 14.13%15 Jones,Julius DAL 257 33 12.84%16 Parker,Willie PIT 255 21 8.24%17 Jackson,Steven STL 254 39 15.35%18 Anderson,Mike DEN 239 57 23.85%19 Davis,Domanick HOU 230 23 10.00%20 Brown,Chris TEN 224 36 16.07%21 Martin,Curtis NYJ 220 42 19.09%22 Dillon,Corey NE 209 34 16.27%23 Brown,Ronnie MIA 207 29 14.01%24 Foster,De'shaun CAR 206 27 13.11%WP was the only guy with under 10% of his carries coming in the red zone, and the others with low %s were on either teams with a TD vulture (Caddy) or teams with extremely poor passing games (TJ, Droughns, DD).I think with the departure of Bettis (who had 34.55% of his carries come in the red zone), one can reasonably expect Willie's percentage to go up. Who knows if that will mean he gets more TDs, but it certainly means he has a bit more upside as compared to last year.
He did have a few receiving scores though, and those count in FF.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He had 1 recieving TD and only 18 receptions, so a little more than 1 catch per game. Not of significant value.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
worst post evah!Throw out 25% of Caddy's game and he averaged 7.6 fantasy points per game, yet he is going in the first round.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/ParkWi00-3.phpyour right ... 2 over a 13 game span.... but that was not the point I was trying to make.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Caddy is going in the middle of the 1st round and Caddy was about as consistent as FWP last year.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Caddy was injured for a good 4 week portion of the season. During those 4 weeks his stats dramatically drop off. In addition to that Caddy is a lot more tallented than FWP ... see NFL Draft.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Caddy is more talented but in the world of FF FWP and Caddy are very similar players. Both have home run potential, but both are likely to be lifted on 3rd downs and short yardage. Both have durability concerns. I think both of these guys are overvalued on the FBG board.
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
I love the irony of how you defend Caddy yet bash FWP. FWP finished the season higher than Caddy last year, they were both just as bad in the consistency department, it was both their 1st years as starters, yet Caddy is a FF 1st round pick for sure and you are calling for the head of FWP.
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same thing was said 2005. "Parker won't be the starter come 2006."Parker won't be the starter in Pittsburgh come 2007.
At least not from my perspective. Took him Round 20 in July 2005 believing he'd be the starter when their were little whispers of Duce's health. I enjoyed his production in 2005, but have since dealt him.I just don't believe he'll be THE MAN for a great length of time. He's the like ball in a pinball machine attempting to run inside. There's just a lot of things I don't like about him when watching him run. Enough that I believe he won't be the main guy in 2007. Whether the future guy is a rookie, Chris Brown, TJ, other current Pittsburgh back, your guess is as good as mine.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
im glad im not the only 1 that thinks 13th is way to high.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
People are down on FWP - get him if you can - just added him as my #3 RB (behind Lamont and S Jax) in a 14 team keeper league. I think he is a solid #2 and fantastic #3 but everyone in my league was down on him so I was able to grab him for minimal value. My only question is do I sign him for 1 or 2 yrs at $77/$500 cap!
Tiki doesn't get the GL carries either!
Tiki doesn't get the GL carries either!
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Yes. Looks like all the "homerism" was put aside.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Consensus rankings by the staff have him at 26. I, personally, have him at 32.
Dave Dodds alone does the "top-200" - if you disagree, then check out the rest of the staff rankings.
Dave Dodds alone does the "top-200" - if you disagree, then check out the rest of the staff rankings.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
even better. you might get him to respond here if you do that. you might not - he's kinda busy these next couple weeks.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
well, it generated some good talk here, so we are not THAT concerned, but if someone REALLY wants a response to why a player is in a specific top-200 slot, PM'ing Dodds is the best way to get an answer.
