This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
While I'm waiting for them to fold, right now I have to rank Cinci #2 in the AFC right now.
DOES NOT COMPUTE. Denver was 10th in the NFL in rushing yards per game coming into this week. Houston was 27th. Denver will likely move down a bit, but will still be much higher than Houston. Few teams run the ball well on Pittsburgh.
I agree 100% saying Cinci is the real deal is almost as dirty as saying CedBen is legit ... but they really have a close to complete team
MOP, how can you leave Cincy off your top 5?!? Seriously?NFC:NOMinnDallasArizonaAtlanta (could be Philly...it's close here)AFC:IndyCincyNEPittDenver (although this is by default. I don't think they're offense is very good).
I can't take seriously anyone that doesn't list both unbeaten teams at the top of their conferences at the midpoint. It gets worse when I see Miami and Tennessee in the top-5 in the AFC.
Don't do it guys! Your falling into his trap..... he just posted that to get a rise out of everyone. There's no way he really thinks thatJus sayin'BTW.... Pitt shouldn't be ahead of Cincy....
Can we get a :straightlinepizza: smilie for posts like this?New OrleansMinnesotaDallasArizonaAtlantaIndyCincyPittNEHouston
Agree with NO and Minny. After these 2 teams, there's a steep drop-off, IMO. Right now, Dallas is hot, and Arizona won big, but Ari got beat bad the week prior.
Agree with Indy, then I'd go Pitt, NE, Cincy, and probably SD. I don't see how people can make the claim that you have to rank Cincy ahead of Pittsburgh.Pittsburgh is the better team, IMO. They had a "slump" where they lost 2 close games, coinciding with some injuries, specifically to Polamalu. Since Polamalu has been back, their defense has been much improved, and their offense is clicking much better since the emergence of Mendenhall and Wallace as a viable WR3.Cincy, on the other hand, has lost one of their best defensive players, has lost one of their offensive weapons (Henry), and while they appear to have a great running game, the Steelers have the ability (as seen last night) to shut down an opposing team's run game.
And the Bengals don't? They did an awfully good job of shutting down the Ravens running game on Sunday. And FYI, the Steelers are 1st in the NFL against the run. The Bengals are 2nd.
When Houston RB's learn how to hold on to the football at the goal line, then 5 might be justified. They did beat Cincy at home. TN??
How do you have the Ravens in the top 5 rather than the Patriots---that seems indefensible to me.
They've lost 4 straight and look terrible. They're not Top 5.
Where did I say that the Bengals don't have a good running defense?The fact is that the Bengals offensive resurgence is due, in large part, to a reliance on Benson, and the balance that gives them on offense. If the Steelers can shut down (or slow down) Benson, the Bengals offense is not as balanced, and they could have trouble against the Steelers defense. I'm not sure if the current Bengals team can win if they have to rely mainly on Palmer's arm to do so.The Steelers offensive, however, is not as predicated on balance. For much of last year, and the early games this year, Pittsburgh was a pass-heavy team. They had/have gotten away from the run-dominated offense of Steeler teams in the past. They can win if they have to rely on Roethlisberger's arm.
comparing both teams games vs Denver, I was much more impressed with what the Ravens could do than the Pats. I debated putting NE in over DEN, but push comes to shove, Den beat NE. Granted, it was at home and in OT; not sure the results would hold true on a neutral field.IMO Balt, Den, Cin and NE are all very close...Ind and Pit are clearly the cream of the crop, followed by the next tier of four teams. What order you put that second tier in is pretty negligible.
After Week 13NFC1. New Orleans2.Minnesota3. Arizona Cardinals4. Green Bay Packers5. Dallas CowboysAFC1. Indy2. Cincinatti3. San Diego4. New England Patriots5. Denver Broncos
Record say you've gotta put Minny over Arizona. Last night's game showed me Minny can't keep up with Arizona's offense. Plus Arizona's defense shut them down. I'd also have a hard time putting Cin. over SD. The Chargers have won 6 in a row and are totalling rolling right now. 1. NO2. ARI3. Minny4. GB5. PHILLY1. INDY2. SD3. CIN4. NE5. DEN
Denver's playing better right now? By that do you mean "they had a good game against the Giants"? Because since that game all they've done is beaten the pants off of one of the league's genuinely terrible teams, and prior to that game was a 4-game losing streak (including getting soundly beaten by Pitt and Balt squads that aren't looking very good at all right now, and getting pantsed by the Chargers).Denver has the better record and won the matchup earlier in the season (which was in Denver, FWIW), but I'd easily call New England's schedule tougher (the only "gimme" New England had was Buffalo, while Denver has played the Browns, Redskins, Raiders, and Chiefs), and while neither team has played well recently (unless "recently" means "the last week and a half" for the Broncos), at least the Patriots have the excuse of playing 2 of their last 4 games against the Colts and the Saints.I'd say Denver and New England is a tossup. I think New England is the better team, but a compelling case can be made to put Denver ahead of them. Either way, there's no "has to" about it.
Denver is definitely better. New England is extremely overrated this year. People are basing their rankings on history rather than the present. New England's defense is a sieve right now. Top 5 teams in AFC1. Indy 2. S.D. (Not sold on their defense yet but hard to argue with results)3. Cincy (Very Balanced--will obviously swap places with S.D. if they win in 2 weeks)4. Denver (As Ghost said, they've beaten some very good teams to get to this record. They have a solid defense and some explosive players on offense).5. New England (Not sure who else to put here from the AFC)Tot 5 teams in NFC1. New Orleans2. Arizona (Very impressive win this week has to put them over Minny)3. Minny 4. Philly (Could be the dark horse from the NFC if the team doesn't choke it away in the playoffs)5. GB (They beat Dallas so I put them ahead)Know how many wins the Patriots have against teams with a winning record? Zero. None. Nada. And they also have zero road wins.Meanwhile, the Broncos have five wins against teams with a winning record. That's right, five. Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego and NY Giants. I am just saying.
How about Miami who just beat New England. Miami looks to be on the upswing, while NE looks like they're falling apart.Denver is definitely better. New England is extremely overrated this year. People are basing their rankings on history rather than the present. New England's defense is a sieve right now. Top 5 teams in AFCKnow how many wins the Patriots have against teams with a winning record? Zero. None. Nada. And they also have zero road wins.
Meanwhile, the Broncos have five wins against teams with a winning record. That's right, five. Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego and NY Giants.
I am just saying.
1. Indy
2. S.D. (Not sold on their defense yet but hard to argue with results)
3. Cincy (Very Balanced--will obviously swap places with S.D. if they win in 2 weeks)
4. Denver (As Ghost said, they've beaten some very good teams to get to this record. They have a solid defense and some explosive players on offense).
5. New England (Not sure who else to put here from the AFC)
Tot 5 teams in NFC
1. New Orleans
2. Arizona (Very impressive win this week has to put them over Minny)
3. Minny
4. Philly (Could be the dark horse from the NFC if the team doesn't choke it away in the playoffs)
5. GB (They beat Dallas so I put them ahead)
I could buy that for now. Unfortunately, Miami's schedule is very tough down the stretch so I can't see them passing New England for the division.How about Miami who just beat New England. Miami looks to be on the upswing, while NE looks like they're falling apart.Denver is definitely better. New England is extremely overrated this year. People are basing their rankings on history rather than the present. New England's defense is a sieve right now. Top 5 teams in AFCKnow how many wins the Patriots have against teams with a winning record? Zero. None. Nada. And they also have zero road wins.
Meanwhile, the Broncos have five wins against teams with a winning record. That's right, five. Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego and NY Giants.
I am just saying.
1. Indy
2. S.D. (Not sold on their defense yet but hard to argue with results)
3. Cincy (Very Balanced--will obviously swap places with S.D. if they win in 2 weeks)
4. Denver (As Ghost said, they've beaten some very good teams to get to this record. They have a solid defense and some explosive players on offense).
5. New England (Not sure who else to put here from the AFC)
Tot 5 teams in NFC
1. New Orleans
2. Arizona (Very impressive win this week has to put them over Minny)
3. Minny
4. Philly (Could be the dark horse from the NFC if the team doesn't choke it away in the playoffs)
5. GB (They beat Dallas so I put them ahead)
Yeah, unfortunately that is true. I said as much in the Miami destiny thread. But I do feel MIA is the better team right now. The next 4 games will say a lot about who gets in for the AFC.What about Jax? They have the same WL record as NE, better conference record, better road record, better record over the last 5 games, and play NE in a few weeks. While they started off slow, they're also playing better than NE is right now.
Don't see how you can put Minnesota ahead of Arizona after Warner just lit them up like that, plus they a key part of the defense.
maybe we should put the Bucs over the Packers? Or the Raiders over Pittsburgh?Look, Minnesota played bad, very bad, but we still have 2 more wins, the other games dont matter? Nothing went right...but in the playoffs in the Metrodome, you are going to take the Cardinals? Good luck to you...Im not saying anything is a guarantee, but there are 12 games played, Minnesota has played ONE bad game...JMO
yeah real close considering the Game on Sunday
check the time/date stamp on that postyeah real close considering the Game on Sunday
Denver is definitely better. New England is extremely overrated this year. People are basing their rankings on history rather than the present. New England's defense is a sieve right now. Top 5 teams in AFC1. Indy 2. S.D. (Not sold on their defense yet but hard to argue with results)3. Cincy (Very Balanced--will obviously swap places with S.D. if they win in 2 weeks)4. Denver (As Ghost said, they've beaten some very good teams to get to this record. They have a solid defense and some explosive players on offense).5. New England (Not sure who else to put here from the AFC)Tot 5 teams in NFC1. New Orleans2. Arizona (Very impressive win this week has to put them over Minny)3. Minny 4. Philly (Could be the dark horse from the NFC if the team doesn't choke it away in the playoffs)5. GB (They beat Dallas so I put them ahead)Know how many wins the Patriots have against teams with a winning record? Zero. None. Nada. And they also have zero road wins.Meanwhile, the Broncos have five wins against teams with a winning record. That's right, five. Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego and NY Giants. I am just saying.
I couldn't agree more.
I can definitely admit when the Eagles are outclassed, but it didn't take much to determine who was the better team coming in prior to Sunday. All Injuries aside I will still take the Eagles and I think so would Vegas.
Did Minny dominate SF? Balt? Pitt?
Don't overlook the Cardinals, They outplayed the Vikes last night like they played the Eagles in the championship game. But its Indy & N.O. season to lose... They can puit up big points at the start, or from behind. Edge to N.O. for having a better DEF.
Im not overlooking the Cards, thats probably a tea Id rather not see in the playoffs, they have the team to take advantage of our biggest weakness...
matter of fact, don't overlook anybody, you guys are cousins of the Philadelphia Eagles now (Childress) and any easy playoff matchup can & will beat you
Oh bull####. The Vikings didn't lose in a trap game, they got their asses handed to them by the reigning NFC champs. I think if the Vikings played the Cardinals 10 times, the cards win at least 6. They have the ability to get a lead and then Favre actually has some pressure on him. That is when he is vulnerable. And he showed that. Not to mention the Vikings losing a key component of their defense in that game with Henderson done. All Day is slumping as well. But keep living in your little cozy November dream. December is here, if Brett hits the wall like he has the past two Decembers, Minnesota will be one and done in the playoffs.
