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Torrey Smith - Is this Lee Evans all over again? Is it time to give up (1 Viewer)

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drafted him in 18 of my 51 leagues thinking this would be his year...the rod smith / andre johnson of the offense

stinker in week 1, playing essentially a player down in week 2

he does not seem to be a focal part of the game plan at all

is it time to give up rather than try to foolishly use him over and over again hoping for that one long touchdown?

i was expecting 80-90 catchest this season...clearly doesn't look like it is happening

what are others doing?

 
First thing, I am LOL right now too. If I were in 51 leagues, I would not remember half of them and sure as #### would not remember how many of them I have Torrey in....... LOL

That said, I am wearing thin of him. Steve Smith, Pitta, and now even Daniels and the RB's are getting looks over him. I am not dropping him yet, but hoping he has a monster game next week so I can hopefully unload him.

 
I think he's struggling in a new offense. The thing is, he doesn't need to be a high volume guy. He'll connect with a deep bomb at some point and you'll be smirking about getting WR1 production out of your WR3 slot. Smith taking all these targets doesn't help but it's still Torrey Smith.

He's going to blow the lid off a defense. He's going to catch some intermediate stuff. He drew a 23 yard pass interference penalty. Don't wig out completely yet. Give him to Week 4, collect potential waiver studs along the way.

 
Soaring Eagle said:
drafted him in 18 of my 51 leagues
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Sunday mornings must be ... Interesting ... in your household. I just have to ask - what is the motivation to play in so many leagues? You must be simultaneously pulling for a great day and hoping for a miserable day for almost every FF relevant player in the league.

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2011: 50/841/7

2012: 49/855/8

2013: 65/1128/4 (third season breakout) 25 yo.

Lot to like so far, right? Preseason speculation was that he was going to be the heavily targeted X receiver in Kubiak's Andre Johnson role. Looked like a decent WR2 with upside for more at at a WR3 price. looked like "value". Where did it all go wrong? Steve Smith Sr. is the monkey in this wrench. While he is healthy and on the field, Torrey is an afterthought. Torrey owners have to nothing to do but bench and hold for now.

 
I said this in the Pittsburgh vs. Baltimore game thread, but it bears repeating:

Stop trying to make Torrey Smith happen. It isn't going to happen.

 
He's never been a big volume guy, but rather a big play guy. In recent years, he's been basically the only receiver/TE of note to catch the ball with no secondary WR option and Pitta hurt. Now you have a healthy Pitta and the addition of Smith and Daniels, so that leaves fewer targets. And despite Flacco's 60+ attempts in week 1, that's not the way the offense likes to roll.

 
This guy will explode some weeks, problem is you don't know which week(s). However, S Smith will wear down towards the end of season I guarantee it. I'd sell high on S Smith, hold on to Torrey if you can..

 
A guy I always steer clear of at his draft price (5th-6th round). Way too inconsistent and while he will have a big game here and there, he has way too many 3 catch games for my tastes...........

 
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Raiderfan32904 said:
2011: 50/841/7

2012: 49/855/8

2013: 65/1128/4 (third season breakout) 25 yo.

Lot to like so far, right? Preseason speculation was that he was going to be the heavily targeted X receiver in Kubiak's Andre Johnson role. Looked like a decent WR2 with upside for more at at a WR3 price. looked like "value". Where did it all go wrong? Steve Smith Sr. is the monkey in this wrench. While he is healthy and on the field, Torrey is an afterthought. Torrey owners have to nothing to do but bench and hold for now.
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Smith is following Evans career path very closely, although Evans had 82/1292/8 his 3rd year.

 
I did't like how he looked week one, and the Steve Smith volume has to be concerning...

...but...

...I don't really feel worse about him than I did before, even though this game was a total clunker. I think word is out on this Steeler defense that those linebackers are completely lost in coverage. Dating back to preseason, TE's have just had their way with this starting D as often and as wide open as they want to. It sort of takes away the necessity of a high risk passing game when the underneath stuff is uncovered all night. I don't think BAL has too many games where the TE's combine for nine or ten targets and two TD's.

I don't feel like T. Smith has that hundred-reception upside his coach was talking about, but I do still think he's a good WR, and is probably going to be a bit of a bargain at his current price, which I assume is pretty low for most owners. He'll still be up and down, but I don't think his final tally will be worse than we've come to expect out of him. Probably just not that leap forward you'd have hoped for.

 
efactor said:
A guy I always steer clear of at his draft price (5th-6th round). Way too inconsistent and while he will have a big game here and there, he has way too many 3 catch games for my tastes...........
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Yep. I'm not spending a 5th-6th round pick on a guy who's never consistent enough to be anything more than a WR4.

 
Braktastic said:
efactor said:
A guy I always steer clear of at his draft price (5th-6th round). Way too inconsistent and while he will have a big game here and there, he has way too many 3 catch games for my tastes...........
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Yep. I'm not spending a 5th-6th round pick on a guy who's never consistent enough to be anything more than a WR4.
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Smith was in a weird zone in most drafts, I feel like. Like he was the last guy in a tier, and there was a drop off after that.

I dunno anyone that was excited to have him on their team. I drafted him once, felt dirty, traded him before the season, and promptly forgot about him.

 
Yes Steve Smith Basically put Torrey back to 55-900-3 numbers where smith goes for 80-1200-8 .. Torrey is a good wr4/5

 
Smith Sr is the clear #1 and better player from what I've seen.

Smith looks like a one trick pony that teams have adjusted to. Was at the game last night and noticed the steelers rolled Mike Mitchell under Smith, keeping the CB on top of him, on numerous plays. In short, teams aren't going to let him beat them deep and that's all he has.

 
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The more Steve Smith plays, the more Flacco will love him. Torrey needs an injury to rise above WR3 status.

 
nastynate said:
Smith Sr is the clear #1 and better player from what I've seen.

Smith looks like a one trick pony that teams have adjusted to. Was at the game last night and noticed the steelers rolled Mike Mitchell under Smith, keeping the CB on top of him, on numerous plays. In short, teams aren't going to let him beat them deep and that's all he has.
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Is Smith Sr good enough to elevate Flacco's game? It isn't bad to have Torrey as a #2 WR on a team.

 
just all the coach speak about him playing the "x" role and steve smith saying he would be the "kevin walters" of the offense...i feel for it...just like i feel for the leveon bell / blount time share

 
massraider said:
Smith was in a weird zone in most drafts, I feel like. Like he was the last guy in a tier, and there was a drop off after that.

I dunno anyone that was excited to have him on their team. I drafted him once, felt dirty, traded him before the season, and promptly forgot about him.
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[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Torrey may - may - have been fairly valued in best-ball leagues, but IMO way overvalued in regular lineup-based leagues. It baffled me that he was considered by many to be in a tier with Harvin, Crabtree, Patterson, and Sanders (and half a round above Floyd!) when I would have taken any of those five over him by comfortable margins.[/SIZE]

Even though last year was his "breakout", he had six games with single-digit scoring in PPR, including a 2-ball in the first week of the fantasy playoffs. Yes, he also posted two 20+ point weeks, but then, so did Brian Hartline. And that was as his team's single starting-caliber receiving option for almost all of last year. Add back a healthy Pitta, an above-average vet in Smith Sr., and a shiny new toy in Daniels, and you could make a case that even matching last year's finish (WR23) would be an achievement. Yet he was going at WR22 on average. Hard to see how that spells value.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
massraider said:
Smith was in a weird zone in most drafts, I feel like. Like he was the last guy in a tier, and there was a drop off after that.

I dunno anyone that was excited to have him on their team. I drafted him once, felt dirty, traded him before the season, and promptly forgot about him.
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Torrey may - may - have been fairly valued in best-ball leagues, but IMO way overvalued in regular lineup-based leagues. It baffled me that he was considered by many to be in a tier with Harvin, Crabtree, Patterson, and Sanders (and half a round above Floyd!) when I would have taken any of those five over him by comfortable margins.


Even though last year was his "breakout", he had six games with single-digit scoring in PPR, including a 2-ball in the first week of the fantasy playoffs. Yes, he also posted two 20+ point weeks, but then, so did Brian Hartline. And that was as his team's single starting-caliber receiving option for almost all of last year. Add back a healthy Pitta, an above-average vet in Smith Sr., and a shiny new toy in Daniels, and you could make a case that even matching last year's finish (WR23) would be an achievement. Yet he was going at WR22 on average. Hard to see how that spells value.
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I didn't see him go above any of those players in the leagues I'm in. Maybe his adp on MFL (where I play all of my leagues) was different, but in the range I saw him going, it was a debate between him, Eric Decker, Mike Wallace, and other guys of a similar ilk.

I was a Torrey proponent this year, but even at the fairly reasonable price I paid, I'm regretting it. I think he's better than what he's producing and I blame the play calling.. But that's part of the game. There's not much that we can do now.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
massraider said:
Smith was in a weird zone in most drafts, I feel like. Like he was the last guy in a tier, and there was a drop off after that.

I dunno anyone that was excited to have him on their team. I drafted him once, felt dirty, traded him before the season, and promptly forgot about him.
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[SIZE=14.44px]Torrey may - may - have been fairly valued in best-ball leagues, but IMO way overvalued in regular lineup-based leagues. It baffled me that he was considered by many to be in a tier with Harvin, Crabtree, Patterson, and Sanders (and half a round above Floyd!) when I would have taken any of those five over him by comfortable margins.[/SIZE]

Even though last year was his "breakout", he had six games with single-digit scoring in PPR, including a 2-ball in the first week of the fantasy playoffs. Yes, he also posted two 20+ point weeks, but then, so did Brian Hartline. And that was as his team's single starting-caliber receiving option for almost all of last year. Add back a healthy Pitta, an above-average vet in Smith Sr., and a shiny new toy in Daniels, and you could make a case that even matching last year's finish (WR23) would be an achievement. Yet he was going at WR22 on average. Hard to see how that spells value.
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these are all very good points that I obviously missed

 
Bronco Billy said:
Soaring Eagle said:
drafted him in 18 of my 51 leagues
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Sunday mornings must be ... Interesting ... in your household.I just have to ask - what is the motivation to play in so many leagues? You must be simultaneously pulling for a great day and hoping for a miserable day for almost every FF relevant player in the league.

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As someone who is also in a lot of leagues I can answer that. The season is a long haul and it doesn't matter if you have conflicts in any given week. What matters is your record at the end of the year. We all have favorite teams we root for and obviously will end up players on our rosters that play against those favorite teams. There are hundreds of examples in real life everyday where we deal with similar conflicts. Sure they can be frustrating but it's the bottom line at the end of it all that's important.

 
This is an odd thread to stumble on, since I'm a guy who has historically been very high on Lee Evans and very low on Torrey Smith. I do like the comparison, though.

 
Dragon1952 said:
Bronco Billy said:
Soaring Eagle said:
drafted him in 18 of my 51 leagues
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Sunday mornings must be ... Interesting ... in your household.I just have to ask - what is the motivation to play in so many leagues? You must be simultaneously pulling for a great day and hoping for a miserable day for almost every FF relevant player in the league.

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As someone who is also in a lot of leagues I can answer that. The season is a long haul and it doesn't matter if you have conflicts in any given week. What matters is your record at the end of the year. We all have favorite teams we root for and obviously will end up players on our rosters that play against those favorite teams. There are hundreds of examples in real life everyday where we deal with similar conflicts. Sure they can be frustrating but it's the bottom line at the end of it all that's important.
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agreed - its like owning shares of stock in a mutual fund...there are players you own a lot of and players you avoid

last year i "invested" in eddie lacy, josh gordon, desean jackson, antonio brown, vick / foles, jordan cameron which paid off.....darryl richardon, sam bradford,and a few others didn't....this year i invested in doug martin, gerhart, stacy, j bell, m wallace, maclin, t smith, rudolph, foles, cutler, tanehill, locker, ingram, and benjamin...having a really bad year so far

 
Smith is the kind of guy who is at the very top of my do not draft list. Next week, when you don't play him, he will explode for 30 points. Then the next week, back to 6 points or nothing.

 
Hilarious you reference Evans. We were watching the game last night with friends and my friend was griping about how smith wasn't getting him any points and my buddy's wife said. "He's like that guy from the bills you had a long time ago that's always pissed you off."

So my friend's wife who knows nothing more about ff other than what she has absorbed over the years of watching my buddy's frustrations over the years clearly sees the similarities.

 
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Shutout said:
Hilarious you reference Evans. We were watching the game last night with friends and my friend was griping about how smith wasn't getting him any points and my buddy's wife said. "He's like that guy from the bills you had a long time ago that's always pissed you off."

So my friend's wife who knows nothing more about ff other than what she has absorbed over the years of watching my buddy's frustrations over the years clearly sees the similarities.
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i have to say that's pretty funny.

 
Soaring Eagle said:
Dragon1952 said:
Bronco Billy said:
Soaring Eagle said:
drafted him in 18 of my 51 leagues
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Sunday mornings must be ... Interesting ... in your household.I just have to ask - what is the motivation to play in so many leagues? You must be simultaneously pulling for a great day and hoping for a miserable day for almost every FF relevant player in the league.

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As someone who is also in a lot of leagues I can answer that. The season is a long haul and it doesn't matter if you have conflicts in any given week. What matters is your record at the end of the year. We all have favorite teams we root for and obviously will end up players on our rosters that play against those favorite teams. There are hundreds of examples in real life everyday where we deal with similar conflicts. Sure they can be frustrating but it's the bottom line at the end of it all that's important.
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agreed - its like owning shares of stock in a mutual fund...there are players you own a lot of and players you avoid

last year i "invested" in eddie lacy, josh gordon, desean jackson, antonio brown, vick / foles, jordan cameron which paid off.....darryl richardon, sam bradford,and a few others didn't....this year i invested in doug martin, gerhart, stacy, j bell, m wallace, maclin, t smith, rudolph, foles, cutler, tanehill, locker, ingram, and benjamin...having a really bad year so far
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Each to their own I guess, but wouldn't being in so many leagues take the fun out of it? You'd end up owning most players if you wanted to have a 'share' in everyone you liked, if you miss out on a WW guy in one league, it doesn't really matter because you can probably pick that player up in 15 other leagues. I suppose you're more likely to win a title, but it wouldn't really mean that much because you are in so many leagues. I think if you aren't in many leagues (or just one or two) it makes the victories sweeter and the losses more meaningful too.

 
51 leagues... do you have time for work? a life? unless they are mostly best ball, i have 15 best ball leagues but after the draft you dont make any moves. 4 weekly management leagues is enough to make me pull out my hair rooting for and against the same guys lol!

 
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51 Leagues? Oh Dear Lord.

I bet even the FF Experts like Joe, Maurile and all the others who are PAID to do this for a living aren't even close to being in that many leagues. Seems like all your doing is setting yourself up for major disappointment.

Not to sound critical here, but do you even have a job? Are you single? I mean, managing 51 teams seems like it would be a job in and of itself.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
51 Leagues? Oh Dear Lord.

I bet even the FF Experts like Joe, Maurile and all the others who are PAID to do this for a living aren't even close to being in that many leagues. Seems like all your doing is setting yourself up for major disappointment.

Not to sound critical here, but do you even have a job? Are you single? I mean, managing 51 teams seems like it would be a job in and of itself.
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Married. Kids. Work as a physician 60 to 80 hrs a week. Share most of my teams with co owners

 
Soaring Eagle said:
MaxThreshold said:
51 Leagues? Oh Dear Lord.

I bet even the FF Experts like Joe, Maurile and all the others who are PAID to do this for a living aren't even close to being in that many leagues. Seems like all your doing is setting yourself up for major disappointment.

Not to sound critical here, but do you even have a job? Are you single? I mean, managing 51 teams seems like it would be a job in and of itself.
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Married. Kids. Work as a physician 60 to 80 hrs a week. Share most of my teams with co owners
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Wow. I'm impressed that you can manage all that. I'm in 5 leagues and I feel that's almost too much. :)

 
MaxThreshold said:
Soaring Eagle said:
MaxThreshold said:
51 Leagues? Oh Dear Lord.

I bet even the FF Experts like Joe, Maurile and all the others who are PAID to do this for a living aren't even close to being in that many leagues. Seems like all your doing is setting yourself up for major disappointment.

Not to sound critical here, but do you even have a job? Are you single? I mean, managing 51 teams seems like it would be a job in and of itself.
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Married. Kids. Work as a physician 60 to 80 hrs a week. Share most of my teams with co owners
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Wow. I'm impressed that you can manage all that. I'm in 5 leagues and I feel that's almost too much. :)
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I am not sure if it's something to be proud of. Lol. Obviously not doing too well if I drafted Torrey smith in 18 of my leagues

 
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