Total "punk" behavior too much? (1 Viewer)

[AngryPatriot]

I found parts of the SF/Car game way too loaded with punk behavior and unsportsmanlike conduct. I didn't like it, lame. And I like hard-nosed football but all this ego crap seemed too much. I'm like explaining stuff to my kids about it... There was mocking and taunting on most plays, very few flags. Very immature, unprofessional and it ended up hurting play, esp. Carolina. Does anyone else feel this way? Yeah, yeah, I am getting old or don't get it, whatever, but I definitely don't see to much of it on a week to week basis as a Pats fan, so it was a bit surprising in a bad way. I would guess coaching has some to do with it but I think it was a black eye for the league today.

 

[Hooper31]

Kaep mocking Cam seemed childish. I wouldn't call it "punk".

 

[Ballstein]

Can you imagine Joe Montana kissing his bicep?

 

[ScottyDog]

Anquan Boldin made a fool out of himself. Great player, but no class.

 

[Raider Nation]

I found parts of the SF/Car game way too loaded with punk behavior and unsportsmanlike conduct. I didn't like it, lame. And I like hard-nosed football but all this ego crap seemed too much. I'm like explaining stuff to my kids about it... There was mocking and taunting on most plays, very few flags. Very immature, unprofessional and it ended up hurting play, esp. Carolina. Does anyone else feel this way? Yeah, yeah, I am getting old or don't get it, whatever, but I definitely don't see to much of it on a week to week basis as a Pats fan, so it was a bit surprising in a bad way. I would guess coaching has some to do with it but I think it was a black eye for the league today.

Sorry for quoting the whole post, but I couldn't agree more. I'm texting buddies of mine during the game, and we all agreed that talking trash is the only thing that matters to some of these guys. Scoreboard be damned. As long as you look like a tough-guy bad-ass, the final score is irrelevant. See all the guys pointing with their thumbs to the name on the back of the jersey these days? That's all you need to know.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Keenan Allen on SD rose right to the top of the idiot list today. Kaepernick wants to be bigger than he is, if he doesn't get some guidance, he'll end up in the ####### egotist category

 

[ghostguy123]

The dumbest part of it is that these guys switch teams so often that they are taunting former and future teammates, with no thought of it whatsoever.

Ok, maybe that isn't the dumbest part. I guess the dumbest part is that instead of getting prepared for the next play they are speading their peacock feathers.

 

[Ballstein]

The chest beating is starting to annoy me.

 

[chinawildman]

Kaep mocking Cam seemed childish. I wouldn't call it "punk".

Anquan Boldin made a fool out of himself. Great player, but no class.

Man you guys are quick… is Pete Carroll slipping Adderall to the fans now too?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Is this the annual "grumpy white nerds on the internet whine about athlete celebrations" thread?

 

[Darryl Talley]

I just think there is a time and place for it. Boldin headbutting a guy down 10-6 with under a minute left in the first half didn't look like the time.

P.S. Recap of what Keenan Allen did?

 

[pizzatyme]

Allen caught 2 TDs when the game was out of hand and acted like he had staked SD to a 2TD lead.

 

[BassNBrew]

Is this the annual "grumpy white nerds on the internet whine about athlete celebrations" thread?

Not sure I can tell the color of poster's skin by what they post. You must be gifted.

 

[BassNBrew]

The celebrations and taunting may have been a little over the top, but the panzy pushing after every play (CAR/SF) was out of control. Seemed like after every play a couple of guys would could to take turns shoving each other until the refs broke it up. The refs really need to stop the game in these situation and give everyone a warning (like umps do after a beanball). If you push after the whislte blows and everyone is unpiling, the first one I see is a getting a penalty. It's not the ref's job to be a WWE ref.

 

[False Start]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

 

[pizzatyme]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well, depending on the extent of either action.

 

[False Start]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well, depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or murderer?

 

[pizzatyme]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a

society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well, depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or murderer?

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said. How many braggarts are in prison? You know, since as a society we hate them more.

 

[False Start]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a

society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well, depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or murderer?

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said.How many braggarts are in prison? You know, since as a society we hate them more.

You did say you hate them both equally so it is what you said. I am also certain that people have been convicted of crimes just because they seem arrogant to a jury. Would you disagree?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Initially, I thought the bravado and "post whistle" pushing & shoving by both teams at the beginning of the SF/CAR game was done by each in a misguided effort to establish a physical presence/dominance over the other. Both teams have extremely physical defensive units and where trying to intimidate the opposing offensive units. It didn't work for either team and subsequently got out of hand. I place the blame for that wholly on the referees.

Speaking of the refs, and my apologies for going off topic here, but the refs in the SD/DEN game did an exceptionally poor job. Dare I say, they seemed to favor the Broncos all game and missed many calls both ways.

 

[pizzatyme]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become.

Why is it as a

society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well, depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or

murderer?

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said.How many braggarts are in prison? You know,

since as a society we hate them more.

You did say you hate them both equally so it is

what you said. I am also certain that people have been convicted of crimes just because they seem arrogant to a jury. Would you disagree?

Reading comprehension down? Why don't you go re-read what I posted. Clue: the second sentence. And to your second question, yes, I'm sure there are some convicted for their CRIME because they acted arrogant in court. However, I highly doubt they were brought up on arrogance charges.

 

[Billy Bats]

It's just stupid and selfish. You're in a playoff game where every yard counts and you're more concerned about cheap shotting someone instead of the team, risking 15 yards defending your manhood. Eject the first clown that starts some #### and it will end real quick.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is this the annual "grumpy white nerds on the internet whine about athlete celebrations" thread?

 

[False Start]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become.

Why is it as a

society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well,depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or

murderer?

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said.How many braggarts are in prison? You know,

since as a society we hate them more.

You did say you hate them both equally so it is

what you said. I am also certain that people have been convicted of crimes just because they seem arrogant to a jury. Would you disagree?

Reading comprehension down? Why don't you go re-read what I posted. Clue: the second sentence.And to your second question, yes, I'm sure there are some convicted for their CRIME because they acted arrogant in court. However, I highly doubt they were brought up on arrogance charges.

Not my style to get into name calling and those types of jabs. Why would someone get convicted of a crime if they are arrogant in court, that is not proof of guilt, that is no evidence that one is guilty of a crime. As far as going to court, people have been in court falsely accused before.You did just make my point for me, we treat people who are arrogant as criminals or bad people and hate them for it.

I have arrogant friends, but they have never disrespected me or even harmed others, they just think they are great at a lot of things. A lot of people hate a coworker of mine for it, but once a person is seen as arrogant they are hated. Does not mattered he literally brings in the donuts and coffee every morning and offers to buy lunch (It is a way for him to show off his money I think.) He is still hated because he wins in the office pools, drive the better car and he lets everyone know it. I get upset he has the better car but that does not mean I have to hate him for it, I just try to work harder to become better myself. A smile and a nod puts some arrogant people in check when you beat them or one up them, hatred does nothing.

Point is let people celebrate, talk noise and even be happy about doing something great or even good. What goes around comes around.

 

[Polar Dude]

Keenan Allen on SD rose right to the top of the idiot list today.

I'm a Charger fan and agree. I also hated Merriman's stupid sack dance.

 

[Pickle Rody]

It's just stupid and selfish. You're in a playoff game where every yard counts and you're more concerned about cheap shotting someone instead of the team, risking 15 yards defending your manhood. Eject the first clown that starts some #### and it will end real quick.

Correct. Precedent has been set in the playoffs......Eagles/Falcons

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Initially, I thought the bravado and "post whistle" pushing & shoving by both teams at the beginning of the SF/CAR game was done by each in a misguided effort to establish a physical presence/dominance over the other. Both teams have extremely physical defensive units and where trying to intimidate the opposing offensive units. It didn't work for either team and subsequently got out of hand. I place the blame for that wholly on the referees.

These guys are physical freaks, angry, and half-crazed, but they aren't dumb (well, most of them, at least). If the refs step in early on and make an example of someone right away by marching off 15-yarders or, better yet, ejecting someone, the extra-curricular stuff will stop instantly.

On the other hand, if they don't step in and establish clear boundaries right off the bat, the players are going to keep pushing the line - and by the time the refs try to reel things in, it'll probably be too late, as was the case yesterday afternoon. The zebras basically abdicating their responsibility in a divisional playoff game like that was absolutely inexcusable.

 

[pizzatyme]

You put 12 people on a jury and ask them to put either the rapist or arrogant ##### in prison. My guess is all 12 pick the rapist.

Not sure why you're saying society hates arrogance more???

And, if during the game yesterday where Keenan Allen was acting like an arrogant #####, was stabbed by an upset defender. I'm pretty sure people would be more upset with the stabber.

 

[zamboni]

It's the NFL - bravado is part of the culture.

If you want classy, low key celebrations (for the most part), try watching the NHL.

 

[False Start]

You put 12 people on a jury and ask them to put either the rapist or arrogant ##### in prison. My guess is all 12 pick the rapist.

Not sure why you're saying society hates arrogance more???

And, if during the game yesterday where Keenan Allen was acting like an arrogant #####, was stabbed by an upset defender. I'm pretty sure people would be more upset with the stabber.

I agree they will put the rapist away, but what made them belief the person was guilty? The proof of rape or his arrogance? You clearly missed the point completely and then took it to unreasonable. Stabbed by an upset defender? What the heck man. Not in the same ballpark of what my point was. I have explained my reasoning in a previous post, I do not want to derail this thread anymore. People hate people because they are arrogant and sometimes hate them more than criminals, end of my point.

 

[pizzatyme]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with

arrogance more than we do criminals?

What proof do you have of this?

 

[False Start]

It's the NFL - bravado is part of the culture.

If you want classy, low key celebrations (for the most part), try watching the NHL.

Yet when they get mad at each other they fight, what could have more ego?

While I do not want to see it ever eliminated from the game, isn't it interesting that we cheer a fight at a NHL game and they only get punished 5 minutes but if the same thing was happening in the stands at the exact same time, those people would go to jail and have assault charges against them? Just interesting how the world works.

 

[zamboni]

It's the NFL - bravado is part of the culture.

If you want classy, low key celebrations (for the most part), try watching the NHL.

Yet when they get mad at each other they fight, what could have more ego?

While I do not want to see it ever eliminated from the game, isn't it interesting that we cheer a fight at a NHL game and they only get punished 5 minutes but if the same thing was happening in the stands at the exact same time, those people would go to jail and have assault charges against them? Just interesting how the world works.

Not too get too off topic, but NHL fighting has very little to do with a single fighter's ego. It's generally done strategically and for a purpose - to fire up the rest of the team.

 

[RUSF18]

When you do something so self-serving that brings attention to yourself, you should expect to be mocked when your opponents get the better of you. Plenty of people have done the Superman thing when playing the Panthers. Plenty of teams have kissed their bicep after scoring against the Niners. Doing the belt thing against the Packers. When teams started mocking the Giants DL "Ballin" jump shot after a sack, my NYG fan friends were acting like opposing teams were spitting on the Statue of Liberty.

If you're going to dish it, you better be able to take it.

 

[False Start]

When you do something so self-serving that brings attention to yourself, you should expect to be mocked when your opponents get the better of you. Plenty of people have done the Superman thing when playing the Panthers. Plenty of teams have kissed their bicep after scoring against the Niners. Doing the belt thing against the Packers. When teams started mocking the Giants DL "Ballin" jump shot after a sack, my NYG fan friends were acting like opposing teams were spitting on the Statue of Liberty.

If you're going to dish it, you better be able to take it.

I agree totally. I believe trash talk is part of sports and should be a bigger part. The fake respect for the opponent is lame.

 

[ShamrockPride]

It's all about getting into opponent's head/throwing them off their game. I'd say Boldin was pretty successful at it and subsequently dominated Carolina's secondary. More power to him.

 

[doowain]

Allen caught 2 TDs when the game was out of hand and acted like he had staked SD to a 2TD lead.

Bringing your team within 10 points is "out of hand"?

 

[FDC]

The celebrations and taunting may have been a little over the top, but the panzy pushing after every play (CAR/SF) was out of control. Seemed like after every play a couple of guys would could to take turns shoving each other until the refs broke it up. The refs really need to stop the game in these situation and give everyone a warning (like umps do after a beanball). If you push after the whislte blows and everyone is unpiling, the first one I see is a getting a penalty. It's not the ref's job to be a WWE ref.

I feel the opposite. The pushing and talking after plays is just a psychological part of football and is fine to me. 99% of that stuff is innocent in nature and leads to nothing.

The mocking celebrations (like TO's star) are what lead to fights and what the NFL needs to consider coming down on

 

[sho nuff]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

How are you coming to that conclusion that we hate arrogance more than criminals?

 

[Pipes]

Why did this turn into a TD celebration debate? The op wasn't specifically talking about the TD celebrations. Kaep's mocking Cam was fine and funny imo. The constant jabbering and the headbutts by both Carolina and 49ers after normal plays was over the top imo. I understand trying to establish physical dominance but trash talking and chest bumping after every play isn't the best way to go about it.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

How are you coming to that conclusion that we hate arrogance more than criminals?

Let's test this theory shall we?

Jerry Sandusky (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

 

[ShamrockPride]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

How are you coming to that conclusion that we hate arrogance more than criminals?

Let's test this theory shall we?Jerry Sandusky (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

Or if we would rather take race out of the equation...

OJ Simpson (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

 

[BassNBrew]

The celebrations and taunting may have been a little over the top, but the panzy pushing after every play (CAR/SF) was out of control. Seemed like after every play a couple of guys would could to take turns shoving each other until the refs broke it up. The refs really need to stop the game in these situation and give everyone a warning (like umps do after a beanball). If you push after the whislte blows and everyone is unpiling, the first one I see is a getting a penalty. It's not the ref's job to be a WWE ref.

I feel the opposite. The pushing and talking after plays is just a psychological part of football and is fine to me. 99% of that stuff is innocent in nature and leads to nothing.

The mocking celebrations (like TO's star) are what lead to fights and what the NFL needs to consider coming down on

I don't recall it being that way in the past. I don't care if it's innocent, I want the refs spotting the ball for the next play (and counting the number of players on the field), not breaking up patty cake matches all over the field. You blow the whistle and the play is over. I you can't follow the rules you should be punished. Old men shouldn't have to get between 300 lbs athletic freaks.

Really wish the NFL would institute a 15 minute misconduct penalty so they could stop this stuff. Right now they have a choice of lame off-setting penalties or game changing ejections. The refs need an option in the middle that gives them more power with have to resort to nuclear mode.

 

[Braktastic]

The 49ers were not without their share of this behavior, but I thought the Panthers were much worse especially at the beginning of the game. The Panthers set the tone for this, and they actually hurt themselves quite a bit with this behavior; even Riverboat Ron admitted he didn't have control of his own team at half-time. So when your opponent makes it about toughness, you need to show them your tough if you want to win the game.

 

[False Start]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

How are you coming to that conclusion that we hate arrogance more than criminals?

Let's test this theory shall we?Jerry Sandusky (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

Or if we would rather take race out of the equation...

OJ Simpson (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

Ray Lewis (Criminal) vs Alex Rodriguez (Arrogance)

 

[FDC]

The celebrations and taunting may have been a little over the top, but the panzy pushing after every play (CAR/SF) was out of control. Seemed like after every play a couple of guys would could to take turns shoving each other until the refs broke it up. The refs really need to stop the game in these situation and give everyone a warning (like umps do after a beanball). If you push after the whislte blows and everyone is unpiling, the first one I see is a getting a penalty. It's not the ref's job to be a WWE ref.

I feel the opposite. The pushing and talking after plays is just a psychological part of football and is fine to me. 99% of that stuff is innocent in nature and leads to nothing.

The mocking celebrations (like TO's star) are what lead to fights and what the NFL needs to consider coming down on

I don't recall it being that way in the past. I don't care if it's innocent, I want the refs spotting the ball for the next play (and counting the number of players on the field), not breaking up patty cake matches all over the field. You blow the whistle and the play is over. I you can't follow the rules you should be punished. Old men shouldn't have to get between 300 lbs athletic freaks.

Really wish the NFL would institute a 15 minute misconduct penalty so they could stop this stuff. Right now they have a choice of lame off-setting penalties or game changing ejections. The refs need an option in the middle that gives them more power with have to resort to nuclear mode.

You don't recall a decade of Steve Smith getting into players heads and completely taking them out of the game by doing stuff like that? Aqib Talib and Janoris Jenkins as recent examples

Talib did a good job of summarizing the innocent nature of the whole thing:

“Never personal, man. It’s never personal,” Talib said, via Mark Daniels of theBoston Herald. “I’m sure if I see Steve, it’d be, ‘What’s up, how you doing?’ It’s never personal, man.

 

[sho nuff]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become. Why is it as a society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

How are you coming to that conclusion that we hate arrogance more than criminals?

Let's test this theory shall we?

Jerry Sandusky (criminal) vs. Kanye West (arrogance)

Want to punch both in the mouth...but Sandusky Id like to let his victims families also beat him completely senseless.

 

[BassNBrew]

The celebrations and taunting may have been a little over the top, but the panzy pushing after every play (CAR/SF) was out of control. Seemed like after every play a couple of guys would could to take turns shoving each other until the refs broke it up. The refs really need to stop the game in these situation and give everyone a warning (like umps do after a beanball). If you push after the whislte blows and everyone is unpiling, the first one I see is a getting a penalty. It's not the ref's job to be a WWE ref.

I feel the opposite. The pushing and talking after plays is just a psychological part of football and is fine to me. 99% of that stuff is innocent in nature and leads to nothing.

The mocking celebrations (like TO's star) are what lead to fights and what the NFL needs to consider coming down on

I don't recall it being that way in the past. I don't care if it's innocent, I want the refs spotting the ball for the next play (and counting the number of players on the field), not breaking up patty cake matches all over the field. You blow the whistle and the play is over. I you can't follow the rules you should be punished. Old men shouldn't have to get between 300 lbs athletic freaks.

Really wish the NFL would institute a 15 minute misconduct penalty so they could stop this stuff. Right now they have a choice of lame off-setting penalties or game changing ejections. The refs need an option in the middle that gives them more power with have to resort to nuclear mode.

You don't recall a decade of Steve Smith getting into players heads and completely taking them out of the game by doing stuff like that? Aqib Talib and Janoris Jenkins as recent examples

Talib did a good job of summarizing the innocent nature of the whole thing:

“Never personal, man. It’s never personal,” Talib said, via Mark Daniels of theBoston Herald. “I’m sure if I see Steve, it’d be, ‘What’s up, how you doing?’ It’s never personal, man.

Smitty and Talib both needed to have a seat on the bench for 15 minutes. Talk trash for all I care (but do it on the way back to the huddle), I don't need to see you slap each other after every play.

My problem is that a couple of pushes turns into several which turns into CAR/SF where you'd get shove after shove after every pile up.

 

[JamesTheScot]

The sensitivity of football fans is not surprising considering how soft the game has become.

Why is it as a

society we hate a person with arrogance more than we do criminals?

I'll go on record for disliking both equally. Well,depending on the extent of either action.

A person who is good at something and tells you about it often is equal to a thief, rapist or

murderer?

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said.How many braggarts are in prison? You know,

since as a society we hate them more.

You did say you hate them both equally so it is

what you said. I am also certain that people have been convicted of crimes just because they seem arrogant to a jury. Would you disagree?

Reading comprehension down? Why don't you go re-read what I posted. Clue: the second sentence.And to your second question, yes, I'm sure there are some convicted for their CRIME because they acted arrogant in court. However, I highly doubt they were brought up on arrogance charges.

Not my style to get into name calling and those types of jabs. Why would someone get convicted of a crime if they are arrogant in court, that is not proof of guilt, that is no evidence that one is guilty of a crime. As far as going to court, people have been in court falsely accused before.You did just make my point for me, we treat people who are arrogant as criminals or bad people and hate them for it.

I have arrogant friends, but they have never disrespected me or even harmed others, they just think they are great at a lot of things. A lot of people hate a coworker of mine for it, but once a person is seen as arrogant they are hated. Does not mattered he literally brings in the donuts and coffee every morning and offers to buy lunch (It is a way for him to show off his money I think.) He is still hated because he wins in the office pools, drive the better car and he lets everyone know it. I get upset he has the better car but that does not mean I have to hate him for it, I just try to work harder to become better myself. A smile and a nod puts some arrogant people in check when you beat them or one up them, hatred does nothing.

Point is let people celebrate, talk noise and even be happy about doing something great or even good. What goes around comes around.

Fella, you are way off.

First, they don't get convicted of arrogance. Nor do juries say, "I don't think the guy did it, but he's arrogant, so I'm going to convict him anyway."

If it comes into play, it does so because the jury doesn't like the guy on a visceral level and therefore they think it more likely that he did it. But that isn't unique to arrogance. Anything that makes a jury not like you puts you at greater risk of conviction, simply because the jury is more inclined to believe the worst about you. It's human nature and it isn't limited to the courtroom. People we like get the benefit of the doubt. People we don't don't.

Besides, it isn't even really arrogance we're talking about. It's attention whoring. Someone can be quietly arrogant and you'd never even know it. There are a lot of wealthy and successful people who fit in to this category. Jerry Jones may be the most arrogant person in the NFL. A lot of the show boating we see in the NFL is simply someone trying to prop up their ego by seeking attention for their deeds. That can actually come from insecurity and baggage from their childhood rather than true arrogance. They need your affirmation so they boast about their deeds to get it.

 

[JamesTheScot]

You put 12 people on a jury and ask them to put either the rapist or arrogant ##### in prison. My guess is all 12 pick the rapist.

Not sure why you're saying society hates arrogance more???

And, if during the game yesterday where Keenan Allen was acting like an arrogant #####, was stabbed by an upset defender. I'm pretty sure people would be more upset with the stabber.

I agree they will put the rapist away, but what made them belief the person was guilty? The proof of rape or his arrogance? You clearly missed the point completely and then took it to unreasonable. Stabbed by an upset defender? What the heck man. Not in the same ballpark of what my point was. I have explained my reasoning in a previous post, I do not want to derail this thread anymore. People hate people because they are arrogant and sometimes hate them more than criminals, end of my point.

You're wrong from the get go. It isn't an "either/or" dichotomy. That's the problem with your argument.