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5x5, h2h, start 5SP/4RP

I'd be receiving: Halliday, Carlos Lee, Adrian Beltre

I'd be giving: Bay, Figgins, Oswalt

Here's my team

C - Martin

1B- Votto

2B - Uggla

3B - Figgins, Blake

SS - Aviels, Zobrist

OF - Bay, Ellsbury, Quinten, Pence, Span, Young, Cabrera

SP - Duke, Lilly, Vazquez, Slowey, Oswalt, Young, Nollasco, Ohlendorf

RP - Capps, Bell, Cruz, Jenks

 
I think Oswalt will be even with Halladay from this point forward, or close to it. So for me it would come down to Lee and Beltre for Bay and Figgins. And there is no way I would do that, esp. with your OF.

 
I like Lee a little better than Bay. I like Figgins alot better than Beltre. I like Halladay a little better than Oswalt.

 
I went ahead and did the deal.

FWIW, I'm a believer in that everyone regresses back to their historical stats for the most part.....so I think this is a pretty fair deal.

Halladay > Oswalt - although Oswalt has started slow, he should have a good rest of the year.

Bay/Lee seem to be a push throughout the pace of the season - but I think Bay has started off super hot and will cool down to his normal .285/32/100. Lee has been pretty much on his normal pace for HR/RBI,although his BA is higher than normal.

Beltre has started off horrible, so I'm really looking him to heat up and would be stoked for him to finish .265/25/80

Figgins total SB #s have decreased each of the last 5 years...he's started off super hot in the department, so for him to keep it up would be an abborition

 
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Halladay>>>>Oswalt They are not equal.
Halladay post All-Star splits 2008:9 -5 , Era 2.89, BAA .249, 18/85 K/BB2005-200819-12, 3.14, .255, 216/65Oswalt post All Star splits 2008:10-2, 2.24 ERA, BAA .206, 19/71 K/BB2006-200825-6, 2.53, .237, 216/49
 
I agree I'd rather have Halladay than Oswalt.

I really don't get how Carlos Lee is better than Jason Bay, in fact, I'd take Bay over Lee every day of the week.

Bay is 2 years younger than Lee, and although this isn't a dynasty league, all things being equal, I'll generally lean torward the younger guy.

Bay's lifetime OBP is about 30 points higher than Lee. (OP didn't specify if it were average or OBP league, if it was a BA league, Lee has a slight advantage)

Bay for the first time in his life plays in a potent offense in a very nice hitters park, in particular for righties. For the first 5-6 years of his career he was surrounded by sub par talent and still managed decent seasons. Nowadays he will hit 5th in what should be one of the top 5 offenses in the major leagues. The guys hitting directly in front of him get on base at an unbelievable clip. Lee plays on a dismal offensive team.

If you take a look at their historical 162 game averages, these guys are about identical. Give me the younger guy that plays on a better offensive team.

Figgins is a lot more valuable than Beltre unless your team is stocked with SB's. Again, this is a case of the good offensive team vs the poor one. Seattle plays in a pitchers park, and that offense is weak (you know your offense is weak when talk about bringing in Jack Wilson to sure up the offense is thrown around).

Figgins plays at the top of a potent lineup (even without Guerrero right now). He gets on base a heluva lot better than Beltre. If Figgins stays healthy the whole year (BIG question), I'd expect no less than 115 runs, 40 sb's, a .275ave/.370 obp). With those numbers, Beltre better hit a lot better than .210 and hit closer to 35 homers than 20 homers to tilt the numbers in favor of Beltre.

 
guru_007 said:
I agree I'd rather have Halladay than Oswalt.I really don't get how Carlos Lee is better than Jason Bay, in fact, I'd take Bay over Lee every day of the week.Bay is 2 years younger than Lee, and although this isn't a dynasty league, all things being equal, I'll generally lean torward the younger guy.Bay's lifetime OBP is about 30 points higher than Lee. (OP didn't specify if it were average or OBP league, if it was a BA league, Lee has a slight advantage)Bay for the first time in his life plays in a potent offense in a very nice hitters park, in particular for righties. For the first 5-6 years of his career he was surrounded by sub par talent and still managed decent seasons. Nowadays he will hit 5th in what should be one of the top 5 offenses in the major leagues. The guys hitting directly in front of him get on base at an unbelievable clip. Lee plays on a dismal offensive team.If you take a look at their historical 162 game averages, these guys are about identical. Give me the younger guy that plays on a better offensive team.Figgins is a lot more valuable than Beltre unless your team is stocked with SB's. Again, this is a case of the good offensive team vs the poor one. Seattle plays in a pitchers park, and that offense is weak (you know your offense is weak when talk about bringing in Jack Wilson to sure up the offense is thrown around). Figgins plays at the top of a potent lineup (even without Guerrero right now). He gets on base a heluva lot better than Beltre. If Figgins stays healthy the whole year (BIG question), I'd expect no less than 115 runs, 40 sb's, a .275ave/.370 obp). With those numbers, Beltre better hit a lot better than .210 and hit closer to 35 homers than 20 homers to tilt the numbers in favor of Beltre.
With due respect, Cosjobs is a Houston :yes:
 
guru_007 said:
I agree I'd rather have Halladay than Oswalt.I really don't get how Carlos Lee is better than Jason Bay, in fact, I'd take Bay over Lee every day of the week.Bay is 2 years younger than Lee, and although this isn't a dynasty league, all things being equal, I'll generally lean torward the younger guy.Bay's lifetime OBP is about 30 points higher than Lee. (OP didn't specify if it were average or OBP league, if it was a BA league, Lee has a slight advantage)Bay for the first time in his life plays in a potent offense in a very nice hitters park, in particular for righties. For the first 5-6 years of his career he was surrounded by sub par talent and still managed decent seasons. Nowadays he will hit 5th in what should be one of the top 5 offenses in the major leagues. The guys hitting directly in front of him get on base at an unbelievable clip. Lee plays on a dismal offensive team.If you take a look at their historical 162 game averages, these guys are about identical. Give me the younger guy that plays on a better offensive team.Figgins is a lot more valuable than Beltre unless your team is stocked with SB's. Again, this is a case of the good offensive team vs the poor one. Seattle plays in a pitchers park, and that offense is weak (you know your offense is weak when talk about bringing in Jack Wilson to sure up the offense is thrown around). Figgins plays at the top of a potent lineup (even without Guerrero right now). He gets on base a heluva lot better than Beltre. If Figgins stays healthy the whole year (BIG question), I'd expect no less than 115 runs, 40 sb's, a .275ave/.370 obp). With those numbers, Beltre better hit a lot better than .210 and hit closer to 35 homers than 20 homers to tilt the numbers in favor of Beltre.
Agreed. Halladay has a huge advantage over Oswalt in run support and is pitching as well as anyone in baseball. Would not have given up Bay and Figgins though as Bay has done nothing but rake ever since he got to Beantown and Figgins is helping you dominate that category. You will take a step back in steals for sure. If you were going to sell the farm to upgrade in an area, I'd say that replacing Uggla or Aviles would be much higher priority than starting pitching. You've got a few pitchers currently underperforming but you shouldn't be in panic mode.
 
I agree I'd rather have Halladay than Oswalt.I really don't get how Carlos Lee is better than Jason Bay, in fact, I'd take Bay over Lee every day of the week.Bay is 2 years younger than Lee, and although this isn't a dynasty league, all things being equal, I'll generally lean torward the younger guy.Bay's lifetime OBP is about 30 points higher than Lee. (OP didn't specify if it were average or OBP league, if it was a BA league, Lee has a slight advantage)Bay for the first time in his life plays in a potent offense in a very nice hitters park, in particular for righties. For the first 5-6 years of his career he was surrounded by sub par talent and still managed decent seasons. Nowadays he will hit 5th in what should be one of the top 5 offenses in the major leagues. The guys hitting directly in front of him get on base at an unbelievable clip. Lee plays on a dismal offensive team.If you take a look at their historical 162 game averages, these guys are about identical. Give me the younger guy that plays on a better offensive team.Figgins is a lot more valuable than Beltre unless your team is stocked with SB's. Again, this is a case of the good offensive team vs the poor one. Seattle plays in a pitchers park, and that offense is weak (you know your offense is weak when talk about bringing in Jack Wilson to sure up the offense is thrown around). Figgins plays at the top of a potent lineup (even without Guerrero right now). He gets on base a heluva lot better than Beltre. If Figgins stays healthy the whole year (BIG question), I'd expect no less than 115 runs, 40 sb's, a .275ave/.370 obp). With those numbers, Beltre better hit a lot better than .210 and hit closer to 35 homers than 20 homers to tilt the numbers in favor of Beltre.
With due respect, Cosjobs is a Houston :fishing:
With due respect Halladay and Oswalt provided the stats, I just posted them.Halladay post All-Star splits 2008:9 -5 , Era 2.89, BAA .249, 18/85 K/BB2005-200819-12, 3.14, .255, 216/65Oswalt post All Star splits 2008:10-2, 2.24 ERA, BAA .206, 19/71 K/BB2006-200825-6, 2.53, .237, 216/49 But right now, Houston homer or not, I definitely rank Halladay over Oswalt. But to do so I must project their second halves to deviate from their history. For the remainder of the season, I think Halladay > Oswalt, NOT Halladay >>>>>Oswalt
 
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