Trade conflict (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

I commish a 12 team $$$ league amongst friends

Received an email this morning asking me to revoke a trade that had been accepted(I had yet to see it)

It doesn't matter, but here is the trade

Mike-Sims Walker

Thomas Jones

for

Austin Collie

The emailing owner claimed he uses his iphone to update his team, and he made this offer last week. Apparently his iphone app doesn't show trade requests and or waiver claims........so the trade remained in place without his knowledge.

Fast forward to this weeks games, the other owner seeing a good game out of Sims-Walker and apparently Jones now being the starter, he accepts.

My instincts tell me to revoke the trade, what would you do?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I wouldn't, but it depends how serious your league is. One friend league, I'd do it, the other, I would not.

 

[Blutarsky]

The trade should stand.

 

[FUBAR]

My instincts tell me to revoke the trade, what would you do?

I think your instincts are wrong here. Tell the complaining party to discuss it with the guy who accepted but otherwise it stands.

 

[dagwood]

I commish a 12 team $$$ league amongst friendsReceived an email this morning asking me to revoke a trade that had been accepted(I had yet to see it)It doesn't matter, but here is the tradeMike-Sims WalkerThomas JonesforAustin CollieThe emailing owner claimed he uses his iphone to update his team, and he made this offer last week. Apparently his iphone app doesn't show trade requests and or waiver claims........so the trade remained in place without his knowledge.Fast forward to this weeks games, the other owner seeing a good game out of Sims-Walker and apparently Jones now being the starter, he accepts. My instincts tell me to revoke the trade, what would you do?

The guy made the offer last week and has not been near a computer since?Sound fishy to you?

 

[FUBAR]

I wouldn't, but it depends how serious your league is. One friend league, I'd do it, the other, I would not.

In a friend league you'd reverse a deal two friends agreed to, without talking to the other guy?

 

[The_Wolfman]

It depends on how serious the league is, but in any competitive league you should be aware of any and all trade proposals you have open. Leaving a trade offer on the table during a Sunday is a huge mistake for any fantasy owner. If it's just a casual, low buy-in league amongst friends I guess I could see revoking the trade, but in any competitive league you have to let this stand. Bottom line is, trade offer was proposed and then later accepted.

 

[flranger]

10 year commish here. Let it stand. If they want to work it out the one who accepted can just send it back.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I don't how you league website handles it, but in I commish (CBSSportsline), once the deal is agreed to by both parties online, it stands, even if I haven’t approved it yet. I understand the guy's remorse who made the offer, but it was his responsibility to remove the offer once he decided he no longer wanted to do it. Also, the iPhone app excuse is a joke. The guy made the offer and should assume it is still out there until he revokes it. If he couldn't get to a computer or couldn't revoke it on his iPhone, he should have called you.

I'd tell him to call the other owner and see if they can work out a deal to back out of the trade, but if the other owner wants it to stand, you gotta let it stand.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I wouldn't, but it depends how serious your league is. One friend league, I'd do it, the other, I would not.

In a friend league you'd reverse a deal two friends agreed to, without talking to the other guy?

My fault: In one league, I'd actually talk to both parties, because it's more of a 'fun' league. The other one I wouldn't bother.

 

[brewer]

You let it stand because one team made an offer on a league website and the other accepted. It matters not when the offer was made, but that it was never taken off the table.

 

[FUBAR]

I wouldn't, but it depends how serious your league is. One friend league, I'd do it, the other, I would not.

In a friend league you'd reverse a deal two friends agreed to, without talking to the other guy?

My fault: In one league, I'd actually talk to both parties, because it's more of a 'fun' league. The other one I wouldn't bother.

 

[DoubleG]

10 year commish here. Let it stand. If they want to work it out the one who accepted can just send it back.

Have them discuss it. If they want to "trade back" - I'd allow it, but otherwise it stands.

 

[Psychopav]

Suggestion to avoid this problem in the future. We use CBS as well and normally trades through the website go off without a hitch. BUT just in case I have this blurb in our rules:

They [trades] shall become effective at the time the second owner has notified the commissioner via phone, e-mail, or other communication, that the trade has been accepted. In any given week, no trades may be made between the start of the first game the end of the last game for that week.

Of course, we're a friendly league anyway so no problems at all and wouldn't have expected any. We're also only 7 years in on this league (a dynasty league).I agree with other posters who have said that in this situation the owner should really work it out with the trading partner if at all possible. As commish, I certainly wouldn't veto until that has been tried. I might even offer to mediate, depending on how much time I had and if I thought it would be worthwhile.eta: re-reading, I realize I've implied that I might veto. I certainly wouldn't do that period. If the owners could not reach resolution without me, I would probably take it to the league to discuss (but I have a rule that doesn't just automatically execute trades, and like I said it's a friendly league so I wouldn't worry too much about bias among the other owners).

 

[Topes]

The emailing owner claimed he uses his iphone to update his team, and he made this offer last week. Apparently his iphone app doesn't show trade requests and or waiver claims........so the trade remained in place without his knowledge.

Does the app allow one to make trade offers?Did the app incorrectly state that teh trade offer was rescinded?Leaving trade offers open through the course of games is risky business, which just about all of us know. My best guess is he knew this, as well, and is blaming the app for his own mistake.I have no comment on whether to turn over or not. Depends on your league precedent and such. Just have the sense that this owner is reaching by blaming an app for his own mistake. At what point does the app's responsibility end and the owner's responsibility begin?

 

[DoubleG]

Suggestion to avoid this problem in the future. We use CBS as well and normally trades through the website go off without a hitch. BUT just in case I have this blurb in our rules:

They [trades] shall become effective at the time the second owner has notified the commissioner via phone, e-mail, or other communication, that the trade has been accepted. In any given week, no trades may be made between the start of the first game the end of the last game for that week.

Of course, we're a friendly league anyway so no problems at all and wouldn't have expected any. We're also only 7 years in on this league (a dynasty league).

I agree with other posters who have said that in this situation the owner should really work it out with the trading partner if at all possible. As commish, I certainly wouldn't veto until that has been tried. I might even offer to mediate, depending on how much time I had and if I thought it would be worthwhile.

eta: re-reading, I realize I've implied that I might veto. I certainly wouldn't do that period. If the owners could not reach resolution without me, I would probably take it to the league to discuss (but I have a rule that doesn't just automatically execute trades, and like I said it's a friendly league so I wouldn't worry too much about bias among the other owners).

Really. I had no idea.

 

[GregR_2]

This is why I say in every one of these threads that the website should only be used to execute a trade, never to negotiate or make an offer. There's really no reason to use the website to make an offer unless you don't have email or phone for the other owners.

I'd talk to the other owner involved as others have said. If he's a good guy and is willing to undo the trade then it's a much easier thing to deal with.

 

[Psychopav]

Suggestion to avoid this problem in the future. We use CBS as well and normally trades through the website go off without a hitch. BUT just in case I have this blurb in our rules:

They [trades] shall become effective at the time the second owner has notified the commissioner via phone, e-mail, or other communication, that the trade has been accepted. In any given week, no trades may be made between the start of the first game the end of the last game for that week.

Of course, we're a friendly league anyway so no problems at all and wouldn't have expected any. We're also only 7 years in on this league (a dynasty league).

I agree with other posters who have said that in this situation the owner should really work it out with the trading partner if at all possible. As commish, I certainly wouldn't veto until that has been tried. I might even offer to mediate, depending on how much time I had and if I thought it would be worthwhile.

eta: re-reading, I realize I've implied that I might veto. I certainly wouldn't do that period. If the owners could not reach resolution without me, I would probably take it to the league to discuss (but I have a rule that doesn't just automatically execute trades, and like I said it's a friendly league so I wouldn't worry too much about bias among the other owners).

Really. I had no idea.

Best way to keep a friendly league friendly imo is to put some elastic clauses in the rules that will allow the commish to keep the arguments from getting heated.

By precedent, most trades are simply executed on the website and that's no big deal. But if there's a problem, I can always point to this as I never want there to be a trade by accident. I think our owners would agree with that sentiment.

Just as important is the rule precluding trades once the games have started IMO. Cuts way down on issues like this I would guess.

For fun, look through the rules and see what other gems I may have hidden in there (or let me know if there are any glaring omissions ).

 

[Insein]

10 year commish here. Let it stand. If they want to work it out the one who accepted can just send it back.

Not your problem. If they want to rescind it, let them submit it to the league site.

 

[fsufan]

i would not change it back. let them work it out

 

[VaTerp]

This is why I say in every one of these threads that the website should only be used to execute a trade, never to negotiate or make an offer. There's really no reason to use the website to make an offer unless you don't have email or phone for the other owners.

I'd talk to the other owner involved as others have said. If he's a good guy and is willing to undo the trade then it's a much easier thing to deal with.

Don't agree with this at all. Using the website makes it fairly simple IMO. Using the phone it is easy to say that something was misunderstood. And anything that can be done on email can be done on league websites. In general, I don't understand all of the anguish over allowing/vetoing trades that goes on in these threads. My league of 8 years is comprised of friends with the majority of the owners having been in the leagues since its inception. We have a VERY SIMPLE, VERY STRAIGHFORWARD trade system that uses the website. ALL trades go through as soon as you hit the accept button. And the website asks you to verify that you want to accept the trade and lists the transaction for you TWICE.

I assume that everyone is playing with ADULTS. This is not that difficult. If you cant read something on your phone or if that confuses things for you then DONT USE your phone to make a trade. If you leave a trade hanging out there for a long period of time then TAKE IT DOWN if you no longer want it out there.

This league easily has 3 to 4 X the number of trades as all of my other leagues combined b/c we have rules that encourage trading (deep rosters/waiver wire limits) and we remove a lot of the barriers to trades that most league have in place that IMO do nothing but amount to babysitting of adults and enforcing socialism on independent owners.

It's really very simple. If you offer a trade on the website, make sure its one you want to do before the website asks you TWICE if thats what you want to offer. If you accept a trade on the website make you its one you want to accept before the site asks you TWICE if you want to accept it. As adults we are all responsible for our actions. If you're not sure about a trade then dont offer/accept it. But to go through all this and then come up with lame, middle school excuses b/c you're having second thoughts is very weak and takes away from the enjoyment of this game. So glad I no longer participate in leagues that allow for all of this drama and treats adults like children.

 

[GregR_2]

This is why I say in every one of these threads that the website should only be used to execute a trade, never to negotiate or make an offer. There's really no reason to use the website to make an offer unless you don't have email or phone for the other owners.

I'd talk to the other owner involved as others have said. If he's a good guy and is willing to undo the trade then it's a much easier thing to deal with.

... If you leave a trade hanging out there for a long period of time then TAKE IT DOWN if you no longer want it out there.

...

Not that I ignored the rest of your post, but you didn't really deal with the benefit of my suggestion that you disagree with. So I picked out the one sentence to build off of that came close to addressing it.The issue with using the website is that the offer is out there until you revoke it, while NFL player situation can change in a matter of minutes. Tom Brady can get into a car accident that he doesn't walk away from this time. Eli Manning could trip over Brian Griese's dog.

And someone can go accept your now lopsided trade before you have a chance to get back to the site and remove it after having heard the breaking news. That's a possibility even if you are good about removing old offers.

If you play in a league of owners who won't do that, great! I'm all for kicking out an owner who would do that. But that's still really no reason to risk putting your league through the strife of dealing with such a situation when there's nothing lost by using email to negotiate.

As you said, you can do the same things in email and on the website, so why use the method that can allow someone to take your players under different circumstances other than when the offer was made? It isn't that hard to get the details and go submit it on the site to finalize it. If you did mess up details because of it being on the phone, you still have to finalize it on the site and would realize it and straighten it out.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

My instincts tell me to revoke the trade, what would you do?

I think your instincts are wrong here. Tell the complaining party to discuss it with the guy who accepted but otherwise it stands.

This

 

[Cassius]

Let it stand. This isn't on you to work out. If it's a "friends" league, let the two trading friends work it out. You change this then every trade someone has buyer's remorse about you'll get another e-mail like this.